How To ACTUALLY Use LA2A and 1176 On Vocals [FREE LA2A Inside]

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[@shayeasy]

that’s really interesting how higher ratios on the 1176 can actually compress less due to the shape of the knee. thanks for sharing!

[@BrockBarr]

Yes, amazing. Very surprising

[@stupendousmusic4190]

The 1176 is really a limiter. So in theory, the threshold would be higher than in a compressor. If anyone can post the exact threshold specs for the limit and compression settings, that would be interesting.

[@lalocura1828]

You notice it when the threshold is already set and you change the ratios and the needles dance or movement changes. Higher ratio less movement.

[@samsonlovesyou]

I noticed that you were knocking a lot of db off on each compressor. Up to 20db (just under 10db each on the word "nightfall"). I read somewhere that when using serial compression like this, you only want to take off 2-3db with each compressor. Was that bad advice?

[@ultragukuss1325]

@@samsonlovesyou with a stable signal 2-4 db is good, but with a crazy dynamic range like he was showing on purpose, that’s probably the way to go. Only to get rid of the high peaks.. but well, who am I to state. As long as it sounds good? 🎉

[@rishabhbose29]

The Higher Compression ratio trick on the 1176 is an eye opener. Never noticed this till now. Thanks David for sharing your knowledge and expertise with us. Really helps us Engineers a lot. Much love.

[@paul_arntz_mixes]

I've heard this same explanation but this was the most in depth, to the point and had a few nuggets of knowledge I had not heard before. NICE!

[@pedrovanzeler1185]

Amazing video David!! The release curve explanation was pure gold, I feel like this type of knowledge is what separates the amateur/semi-pro "mixers" to the real world class professional mixing engineers. Perfection is on the details. I know it would be a ton of work, but I'd love to see a series of in depth analogue classic pieces. Something like "what makes this song great" from Rick Beato but about gear "what makes this piece great" and talk about the general aspects and then some quirks unique to that piece that made it a staple in most professional studios.

[@AshboNZ86]

Dr Mix has in depth videos on analog synth gear.

[@JMarT96Dx]

i’ve been using the 1176 and LA2A completely wrong for years before this video. thank you David!

[@TheConsideredMan]

How do you trigger each of these compressors in specific areas of the vocal track, rather than the whole track, anyone please?

[@DreamsongsProductions]

That's also my go-to combo for vocals. I love the AE1176 too. You can also use 1176 and Fairchild 660 on vocals and it sounds amazing as well.

[@vocalbooth_tonstudio]

​@taeknowsyes 😅

[@realguitarstuff]

I saw many videos about the 1176, but I love about this video that you gave new insights about the knee behavior on higher ratios. Didn't know that. Also a great explanation about the release curves of the two units. With this background info I actually know what I do when I apply this technique!

[@lalocura1828]

Wow the movement on the 76 with 12 ratio was so beautiful the way it was just timed to perfection good job

[@CreativeMindsAudio]

Best video you’ve released in a while! Great explanation of this trick and showing the a/b of it all. I often default to an LA2A. Though that’s because I often found when i put an 1176 in front of it i couldn’t for the life of me get the right setting it always felt too aggressive, and the LA2A often did it good enough. Sometimes I’ll do a distressor before the LA2A though. I had NO idea that the higher ratio made such a difference! I knew the knee changed, but didn’t realize it was so drastic. I usually had it on 8 ratio. I’ll try 12 now. It’ll add that little bit more control and transparent sound. Thanks!

[@mettaman7053]

my question is what was used for compression or tracking effects on the vocals you tracked as they sound pretty good before you even add any compression of the 1176 or LA2A. ???

[@mixbustv]

It's pretty obvious by looking at the waveform that there was absolutely nothing in tracking. Just a good singer and a good mic

[@LeakBanga]

You technique’s help me so much, Might be too advance for beginners.. Your a level 5 teacher

[@sbanville4761]

Great tip. I've been banging my head on a Jazz record I'm working on where the vocals are so dynamic. Never thought about using the high ratio to slam the peaks really fast. Once I made the4 changes to my 1176, the vocals sound immediately natural and not squished. Thank you thank you!!!!

[@michaelciccaglione3921]

Great lesson given here. Nicely done. Thanks.

[@tobiaskagstrom]

Ah, I knew the most of this but I did NOT know that higher ratios on the 1176 changes the knee!? Great video and thnx for charing this!

[@future_Victoryofficial]

I never use 1176 like compressor cue I always put the attack knob off to get what I want. 😎😎😎 Cuz I always use 3 comps on my vocals chain.

[@999GNG]

i love your work and your channel bro!!! hugs from Brazil

[@alban6101]

Okayyyy ! ... I see ... Perfect tips.

[@CH-en9rv]

Thanks for this, nobody ever seems to talk about the inner workings of these compressor types. Seems pretty critical to understand this stuff.

[@stamecec2003]

thanks man dope class about dynamics

[@reddmusiclab]

David! Thank you for uncovering this mystery. Many talk about this chain but never mention the chain order or the settings. Your vid confirmed my thoughts because even though it is rare for anyone to use the 76 out of 4:1 or All Buttons , for this combo it made sense to have the fast comp first at a limiting mode taking care of peaks first. So many thanks! Big Fan of yours.

[@yangjiyangji]

I used 1176 forever but didnt know about knee...wow...

[@traezaX1]

In what sequence.... is it most effective....The 1176 before the LA2A or the other way around?

[@simmermusic3894]

I believe Bruce Sweden also set the ratio of the 1176 to 12 while tracking Michael Jackson

[@davebrownentertainment7191]

I'm using the Distressor before the LA2A. Sounds nicer! :)

[@restaurangebola1689]

Could you achieve the same effect only using rcompressor?🤔

[@OLLiGoldeaux]

Many says, the stock compressor sounds same. I'm not shure: my original UA LA2 plug in sounds good in almost every case - i think, some VST has better quality than others - especially Universal Audio Stuff sounds great ! Thank you ! and Greetz from Germany

[@buenmin799]

Anyone having experiences with using that specific combo on vocals before it goes to the daw? So recording the vocals with compression. What would I have to keep in mind if I were to try it.

[@offlmts3594]

This is great content. Grazie David

[@ReubenWalton]

Was the LA2A invented in Los Angeles?

[@mixbustv]

Actually it was

[@vitaleestarostin5031]

I enjoyed the video, thanks for the tips! May I ask that do you know the Lord Jesus Christ? If not then you should get to know him! He is our Lord and Savior!

[@julioagueros]

The compression was very noticeable in all the examples here. I'm new to mixing vocals. Is that sound in this video something desirable in a mix?

[@cesargonzalezbueno3359]

Even if you know you still learn something from the pros.

[@mustardmanhank]

Hey brother, good video. What's the Song called?

[@edsohovocals]

Great video. So practical and useful. And short. No waffle. Thanks.

[@gabriel_facedown]

Could you do like a short form video like this bud for a distressor emulator plugin?

[@TwigCity]

Missing a free UAD plugin is like death

[@bobpaker430]

the waves electro isn't like a 1176, it can be closer to a tube tech if for exemple your measure a tube tech softube or an elysia alpha. the reduction is closer to an exponential curve, than a 1176 or even LA2A more like logarithmic curve. and what you describe and we see in electro mode correspond to exponential like if itt "hold a little bit the compression" and after release

[@marksinger5954]

An absolutely outstanding and clear explanation of the more nuanced aspects of both processors. I like the way you used r-comp to easily illustrate your point!

[@Rhythmattica]

Weirdly, what I got from this , is what RVox does ! ;)

[@bobpaker430]

so do measurement with a tone generator , and the shape of the release of the opto mode is "classic" to where you find in LA2A or 1176 it's logaritmic. But in electro mode it linear, not exponential as it will be when they describe it in manual or you can find in tubetech softube or elysia alpha. After it's hard to match setting cos the detector aren't the same , but this is the difference electo and opto in this compressor and no need to match comp. Yes opto mode fast release et 70-80% of the release time and slower after, but electro it linear like the most basic compressor you can find tested on a compress signal 2s 1s 500ms 250ms and opto don't evaluate , same release for each, thing normally it's not normal cos cell don't get the same release if it's shinning 2s or 50ms

[@aleaf3967]

there is no hf knob in free la2a how much is it different from the actual la2a paid bundle

[@aholder4471]

David, you always have that key piece of info that fills in the blanks for guys like me that have been home schooler students of this black art for a long time, and even though I have learned way more then I needed to, there is always something new ans useful to learn to put more pieces of the puzzle together. The variable knee on the 1176 and the difference in release times between the units are true pro tips for sure, and I always appreciate that you have better demo audio then even the pro manufacturers do. They choose some crappy rapper that is basically talking and you give us people actually singing and singing well. You can do this because you are working and building great relationships with your artists (some more than others, for sure, I'm prerty sure your girl don't mind) Love it man, its always a pleasure watching you grow and growing with you. You truly love audio engineering and it shows man. Thanks for sharing the love

[@__AbA__]

I use those two compressors the way you've shown - for the same reason. However, I had no idea about the knee changing with the ratio on 1176. Seems that towards higher ratios it starts working more like a limiter.

[@micahplissner]

Wish this is would have been a dry vocal

[@aleksamrkela831]

Awesome. Bet it's even better when using hardware!

[@vadimmartynyuk]

That’s a Classic vocal chain , but I prefer to use 1176 on it’s own usually, that way it shows it’s character much more, instead of just acting as a peak reducer in 1176-LA2A chain

[@mixbustv]

But you don't use a 76 on its own (which means you'd squeeze a lot more) if what you need is the sound of the two combined. They're not swappable. Imagine hitting ballad vocals the same way you hit metal vocals

[@BrewerShettles]

@5:24 - LA2A (without 1176) - opens the vocal - makes it sound alive vs squashing the singer - unless that is what you want

[@mixbustv]

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[@BrewerShettles]

@@mixbustv Glad to help you get rich - your videos are always great - Thanks!!!!

[@michaeld.7520]

Great explanation. Never heard such a detailed explanation and demo of why these two are so favored in tandem. I'm sure, once again as with some of your other videos, I'll be using it as a reference. Thanks again!

[@mixbustv]

Thank you for the support! Much appreciated

[@ceed3d396]

Got the LA-2A yesterday. Hear a lot about it. Time to master it and put it to use.

[@AnwaarAliOfficial]

What kind of mic and audio interface or preamp is used on the vocals? ❤❤

[@mixbustv]

Austrian Audio OC818 into Gainlab Bishop

[@jeremythomas2865]

Wow that ratio on the 1176 was so interesting. I need to comp “harder” on that thing to get “less” compression.

[@zaylocoste6718]

Can we see this example on some rap vocals

[@nicolasnicolas3889]

Snagged this with the free offer, now I just need to learn to sing! 🤣

[@BlurredTrees]

I’ve had these plugins for so long. Great tips!

[@ixxirecords26]

This is why you're the goat of YT mixing tutorials. All business, no bullshit.

[@SvgeRose]

You just earned yourself a subscriber! i've been learning how to mix my own vocals and this helps me understand the process a bit more!

[@kiver83bishop]

Were the vocals EQ'd before hitting those compressors?

[@mixbustv]

No that's a raw take Bella did on the fly. Just her usual recording chain

[@samsonlovesyou]

I noticed that you were knocking a lot of db off on each compressor. Up to 20db (just under 10db each on the word "nightfall"). I read somewhere that when using serial compression like this, you only want to take off 2-3db with each compressor. Was that bad advice?

[@mixbustv]

Bad? Not necessarily. Not enoug compression 90% of the time? Yes. When you hear two contrasting opionions on a subject, usually you want to look at who's giving the advise, some people are youtubers and writers on some mixing outlet, some people mix for a living and they happen to have a youtube channel.

[@bixenter]

Dude, I saw many ppl talking about 1176 but no one ever told about knee curve changing with ratio XD

[@mixbustv]

Many compressors work like that, SSL G type of comps do the same

[@marcito12345]

great video! Why do many engineers do it the other way around? (for example josh gudwin recording with a tube-tech CL1B then going into a 1176 or la2a in the box)?

[@mixbustv]

Why would this be "the other way around" this is mixing first of all. And if you're using compression durin tracking that doesn't mean you're not using more in mixing. The 1B is nothing like the 2A, completely different, variable attack and release, variable ration, differnt opto cell. This is something specifically for THIS combination for this specific scenario not a "do this all the time" thing

[@SoCalPatriot]

Loved the video! Thank you for lifting that veil.

[@74goldenjet]

Thanks for the explanation of this nice method, David. I read that even Kate Bush recorded her vocals like this back in the day. And she has quite a dynamic range.

[@nashse7en]

Hi David, in the case of 1076 when we don't want to have too much color and loud, should we reduce the input gain and left the output knob in the default 18?

[@mixbustv]

It depends on the revision. But generally speaking yes, yet if you don't want color you should use a revision G, transformleaa

[@dougleydorite]

do you typically eq before going into these compressors?

[@mixbustv]

These or any other compressors yes

[@flamersss]

Hey bro l’m curious, for rap vocals, would you also use that 12 ratio?

[@mixbustv]

Yes

[@flamersss]

@@mixbustv Thanks brotha, have a great day.

[@GarethFrow]

Best free or cheap 1176?

[@ronnieryanpc]

Wait so getting RComp is like getting the 1176 &la2a in one package?

[@mixbustv]

Yep

[@SayajinKanak]

Nice 👍🏾

[@I.D.Y._]

Very well explained

[@alexhulme6135]

DAMN I had no idea about the knee changing! I always struggled with the 1176 grabbing a little too much makes a lot of sense now! Thank you SO much for the vid, learnt so much from this channel 💪

[@josuastangl7140]

Same, seems counter intuitive, but the higher ratio kinda provides a cleaner, less messy form of compression that I never got from a 1176. Real eye opener

[@2EZ_4_Geez1e]

What’s the name of the song played at the end of the video ??

[@mixbustv]

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[@MoveTrueRecords_]

GREAT VIDEOO

[@vektacular]

More knowledge ….thank you!…have you ever tried a DBX 160 in place of an LA-2A or maybe a Fairchild? Is it feasible to believe it would be the same type of result?

[@mixbustv]

Thank you! Ah... No 😅 definitely not. You got 3 different topologies right there, 2A is an opto, 670 is a Mu and the 160 is a VCA. Not even close, none of them to each other

[@vektacular]

@@mixbustv thanks for answering my question….i appreciate that!

[@makeperceive]

Good explanation

[@uriel-heavensguardian8949]

Awesome information!

[@TonyPuccioMusic]

Can I do this with 2 Distressors and a mono vocal track?

[@mixbustv]

Yes

[@realraven2000]

Your 76 settings are world class - I will steal that. I made the mistake of always having the LA2 (CLA) first in the chain, definitely going to change that!

[@donnythompson9233]

Back in the days when I was still using HW compressors, my go-to compression for vocals was almost always serial compression, with a later 70’s model black face 1176(LN) first, then into an early 70’s LA-2A. It’s a great combination for vocals, but also very good for bass, and “some” electric guitars as well. But, there were also occasions when I would use compressors other than the 1176, such as the Focusrite Red, and a few different dbx models, too, and while these VCA compressors weren’t as fast as the 1176 FET (hell, what compressor is? The 1176 is blazingly fast even on its slowest setting) there were times when using various VCA’s in front of the LA2A did produce really nice results…one example that comes to mind was for a hard-strummed acoustic 6 or 12 string. While the 1176/LA2-A is certainly considered to be the “classic” combo for serial compression (and for good reason, it’s a great combo) serial compression doesn’t always HAVE to be that classic combination. FWIW 😊

[@jacksp8de]

best explanation I've found. Thanks bro

[@przybylskibartek]

Love it, thanks for showing this combination. Greatly appreciated. I have them Three and I was not using too much, exactly because I could not find them working as I needed. I know now why. Thanks again. Will play around now.

[@whereyourmusicsoundbetter]

So when using the 1176 alone I can use 4:1 ratio while in conjunctions with LA2A higher ratio is better. BTW as far as I know 1176 + LA2A (hardware units) is Måneskin live vocal chain!

[@treatedsound]

This video was viper helpful! Thank you! Do you ever use this combination with hardware when tracking the vocals?

[@willycalderonofficial]

Yeeeeeee

[@thePunkRockMix]

'Cool Video and thanks for the detailed infos! Have you ever tried using the Distressor in Opto-Mode after an FET-Style Comp like the 1176? Would be intersting how it holds up against that combo you showed us here. Cheers Bernd

[@mixbustv]

I love the Distressor, its opto mode tho is by far the setting I used the least

[@thePunkRockMix]

@@mixbustv thanks, David!

[@sickmessiah]

My vocal chain ( which is all plugins ) goes like this. First I use a fab filter pro q 3. Low pass out everything above 16k and high pass out all the subs around 30 - 40 hz. Then I use the scheps 1073 pre emulation for some drive and a little tone shaping. Decapitator for a little more character gently. Ds by fab filter. Another eq if desired ( usually a bit more hp ) 1176 into a Arouser then into a la2a . Puigtec . DS again . Eq again if needed then rvox a bit…. That’s typically how I setup and can get pretty much what I want …

[@themagicbullet]

This was extremely helpful to watch, I understand using multiple compressors way better now

[@thomasschlachter299]

Woah 🤯 the step with the high 12x ratio makes mega sense. You think it's so simple but then often overlook details like that. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. 🙏🏻 greets from south west germany near the City saarbrooklyn.

[@fredrway]

Amazing Tips, was beautiful see this combination in this particular voice

[@jason.martin]

Great description of how this combo works, side note, what brand/where did you get that shirt? classy but modern !

[@misterkerker]

without the 1176 .... the day bleeds into nightfall

[@earlsfield]

Well done, that's why engineers' job is to know the specs and behaviour of the tools they use and not just slap stuff in chain blindly. Arguably, compression is the area where most mistakes are made (with eq to follow).

[@wakandahonda9173]

Are you tracking vocals with light compression with this same set up?

[@mixbustv]

No. I track vocals with a lot of compression usually. But I don't use plug-ins (also because you can't really "track" with plug-ins of course)

[@wakandahonda9173]

@@mixbustv I track with a Tlm 103 into warm audio Wa73eq , then the Black Lion Audio B17a 👍🏾

[@billesposito2112]

That cleared it up for me . Sounds way better with the higher ratio. Thanks man your advice is always rock solid.

[@PerryCodes]

I feel like this video might have some great info ... but I just can't handle the plucked eyebrows...

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Why are you paying attention to another man's eyebrows? Wanna tell us something?

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Sorry... I'm a one cat man. Pi would be jealous of anyone else.

[@TeezoTarantino]

What would be the ideal way to set these two up for recording vocals? I want to buy these 2 units hardware for my studio but I don't want to do it if I can't understand how to set these up for recording with the plugins

[@sqwop]

I remember UAD explaining this technique many years ago but you know a lot more, thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@TheGarugc]

Maybe a stupid question, but can I use a clipper instead of the 1176 to cut off peaks?

[@mixbustv]

Could you? Sure you can use a chainsaw if you want. Is it gonna be the same? No. Understand what each tool does and then decide what to use and for what purpose

[@TheGarugc]

@@mixbustv thanks for the fast reply!

[@rainsound5811]

This was a great insight for me, thanks a lot! Honestly when I heard UAD giving away their plugin for free (and the LA-2A of all, also Polyverse before with loopcloud subs) kind of surprised me haha

[@josuastangl7140]

wow I've never heard a lot of what you talked about actually, definately learned a few things, thank you!