⁴ᴷ⁶⁰ Mixed Alstom/Siemens Propulsion R160 on the R line

Here we see a rare R160 consist made up of both Siemens and Alstom propulsion cars. Pay close attention to the difference in sounds emmited by the different car types. Enjoy!
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Taken in January 2021.

[@JorgeCat78]

When I was a dispatcher, I was always taught that adding up Alstom to Siemens cars was a no-no! I wonder if anyone got in trouble for this, or was this approved by someone at the top?

[@BringBackMasculinity1987]

That's an intresting fact! How long were you a dispatcher??

[@JorgeCat78]

@@BringBackMasculinity1987 3 months before I decided that I was happier sitting in the cab moving trains rather than sitting behind a desk for 8-16 hours clocking them

[@yayawbest123q]

in the first clip when the R leaves at the end the siemens takes over SWEET

[@Piotorro]

What a great mix. I love both propulsion sounds and have them combined sounds great!

[@jadenmuniz8817]

8712 is a critical car! It is the last car in the first set of R160A-2s. 8713 belongs to the R160B-1s (Alstom).

[@PaulsDMVRailroadsandAviation]

The WMATA here in DC had been mixing cars with different propulsion systems for years, since 1000 through 6000 series cars were fully compatible with each other, but ever since they retired the 1000, 4000, and 5000 series, every train I’ve seen has all one type of car

[@droxly3287]

Yes also here at CTA in Chicago, we have mixed consists of 2600 & 3200 Series. But these are two models are to soon to be replaced with the 7000 Series, since 7000 series has the same propulsion as the 5000 series.

[@marilynm5483]

@@droxly3287 I have been in both cities and used their rail systems

[@BandBHawks]

@@droxly3287 5000 series is Bombardier MITRAC, I believe the 7000 series uses Siemens SITRAC.

[@csx8851]

Never knew this was real, great catch!

[@coreyykk]

alstom is the og for me

[@mmrw]

Woah that’s so crazy! I was just on the R train today and I was wondering what that loud sound was when the train stopped

[@GameplaysdoEmmanuel]

So you didn't know that behind the R160A was the R160B

[@jossrun9469]

I see this as an absolute win

[@plushifoxed]

never seen a mixed consist like that before! what an interesting bit of cacophony

[@straighft]

that’s actually really freaking cool

[@collectivelyimprovingtrans2460]

Pretty Cool. 9072 is my favorite car number.

[@subwayfan200]

I have also seen an Alstom and Siemens mix on the W back in December 2019

[@kitsunefaye1661]

I think that was the Wendy I rode.

[@stationguru8496]

I love the R160! In the UK, we use Alstom and Siemen motors too. On the London Underground Jubilee line and on Southeastern. They are both major on trains in England. On Southeastern, the 465/9s use Alstom VVVF motors (i think) and the London Underground Jubilee line 1996 TS uses it too. Maybe the 465/2 also? I'm not sure. Other motors like the BREL and ABB ( i think the ABB is aka hitachi motor since the thyristor was removed changing the sounds quite a lot). The Siemens is used on the Class 700 series (consists of 707 and 717 also). The trains are used on Thameslink using 700s) Great Northern (using 717s) Southwestern Railways (aka SWR, using 707s) and Southeastern (aka SE. southeastern 707s are also known as 707 ('Citybeam')

[@stationguru8496]

btw, only the ABB/Hitachi IGBT trains are coupled together, not the Alstom and Siemens train motors.

[@unitedrail-mainchannel8991]

ABB and Hitachi are different. ABB was the old brush motors when the 465s first arrived. Hitachi was the refurb of the Brush 465s after lack of reliability.

[@ItsDuckToYou]

FIREEE

[@itsmeBRIK]

Thats what i call a R160C!

[@drakesessions3544]

I see more siemens on the r than the e and the f and this drastically improved the speed here

[@moriecequintyne4397]

I heard that so clearly!

[@RainbowSpinDashIsawesome]

dam that sound rare as hell

[@benjaminbrown3939]

Reminds me of the Washington Metro from before the 7000 series were introduced. They would mix rolling stock types, so you would get similar strange sounds.

[@AngelusBrady]

It's interesting hearing both propulsion types in one train. And it kinda screws with your brain a bit, as if it doesn't know which to focus on.

[@farrockqns2577]

I’ve noticed over the years the numbers of them have been mixed

[@BLJF101]

It’s back

[@fiercingdragon]

I remember the R line used to consist of R46s

[@mineraltransit8209]

@Elijah broomes Well it doesn’t go via Queens Blvd on late nights, but yeah it’s still rare to see an R46 R

[@wolfytheexplorer5829]

I didn't know R160B has a Alstom propulsion, I thought R160B has only Siemens but still Cool video

[@ItsDuckToYou]

Wonder why its very rare for a R160 Siemens and R160A-2 but when its R160A-2 with R160B its not

[@jeremynaraine]

R160 Siemens and alstoms mixed used to be on the N and Q line.

[@mariodude7424]

I miss them on those lines

[@Berryclues631]

1:50 new full speed propulsion for the r160b

[@TPF621]

There are mixed sets?? I did not know that. I have they are on the E

[@Berryclues631]

This is how the propulsion is like that first they got the r160a and they got the r160b and it's together

[@sofian1411]

If r160a and R160b made a baby

[@bigskier]

i like to think of one as the ee yuu ee yuu train and the other as the overlapping OHHHhhhh train

[@benxplayer453]

Alstom R160 trains are manufactured in Brazil, in São Paulo!🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃

[@blind_gamer16]

Interesting.

[@paradoxum_scout]

3:50 that station is near my home stop!!!

[@mariodude7424]

R160 is the best

[@metropolisubway47]

I'm happy the R46s are moved off the F/R. I prefer them with NTTs. I'm not happy where the R46s were put. I prefer the Broadway line to be full NTT.

[@metropolisubway47]

@Elijah broomes Actually if the N wasn't NTT I'd be fine with that. Same with part of the W

[@matthewadonis3020]

@Josiah Oliver agree

[@blaazer9473]

Q r46 is nostalgic to me. Besides the Broadway line is the only line where the r46 dominates

[@ricardomurillo2782]

I am happy there is no r46 r train I like r160b Alstom and r160a

[@bouncin.with.boolay]

Whats the music you use in the intros?

[@koditruereligion909]

Hey man wassup u should do busses video

[@grertwedr3785]

once a herd a train car change pulporsoin sound how dose that happen

[@collectivelyimprovingtrans2460]

DJ Did you know all Siemens trains have funny sounds?

[@jadenmuniz8817]

I remember someone said after the CBTC swap that mixed propulsions are occurring more often. But if the E, F, G, and R lines run all 5-car R160 sets, that makes it rarer. When they used to split between Jamaica and Coney Island Yards, only Coney Island had Siemens trains. So I disagree with that someone.

[@franciscosilveiro8944]

Fala aí DJ hammers são os trens antigos de nova York e ele foi produzido pela Alstom Siemens desde 2006 foi

[@Editorum]

suggested mixed r142/r142a propulsion on the lexington ave line

[@TheSearleFamily123]

I'm not sure if R142 and R142A have ever-multiple worked. They do however run on line 4.

[@kinkisharyocoasters]

Like most Wmata trains from 2009 to 2016

[@davidho5632]

May I know the background music you used at the beginning?

[@TheBronxFanner]

Loyalty Freak Music - You know why

[@QuarioQuario54321]

What problems are caused by the mixed propulsion

[@TheSearleFamily123]

​@Sonzeyyiakk Yes, just like the V sets in Sydney; some sets have resistance control and some sets have chopper control; both of which were provided by Mitsubishi. We need to learn that multiple worked trains do not require the exact same motors. Here are some videos that will help you understand: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJrXpndojbGabtU kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqWdGuFlJlkh6c

[@TheSearleFamily123]

I was thinking maybe if R142 (Alstom ONIX 800 [4LCA1640] IGBT-VVVF) could have ever multiple worked with R142A (Adtranz/Bombardier 1508C IGBT-VVVF) on the (4) line. When multiple working, the following *do not need to match:* * power output * traction motors * weight * height * length However, you must have the same or a similar type of couplers. The only other difference between R142 and R142A is that R142 does not have regenerative brakes unlike R142A, only dynamic brakes.

[@nysubwaydude5634]

Well I want to see a r68 mixed with a r68a consist

[@TheSearleFamily123]

@@nysubwaydude5634 Currently one R68/R68A mixed consist is assigned to the (A) line but only operates during PM rush hours.

[@HiAmAj6643]

guys btw the engine isnt all put in one its different cars some are alstom some are siemens

[@mazda.miata_na]

This happens when R160A couples with R160B trains

[@ItzYaboiTristanYT]

I like the siemens better than the alstom not gunna lie.

[@vicentesilvervicente8297]

esse e o trem r160 alstom siemens fabricado desde 2006 dj hammers

[@Sebastian-xy5en]

Please! Make a video explaining what the person 4 or 5 cars back does? It sounds like they have to insert keys every stop?

[@Dezlite]

Thats the train operator in the middle of the train. They open the doors with that little key, they insert the key and turn it. They also program the train, and make announcements while the CONDUCTOR in front drives it.

[@josefstalin9068]

@@Dezlite you have their names backwards, but that’s pretty much the gist of it to my knowledge.

[@CrosstownXpress]

This might help kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnmtpoaYqZh4ms0

[@Dezlite]

@@josefstalin9068 yes your right oops

[@danielhernandez-gh2dy]

I like 8712

[@jacobbaer785]

Have they ever mixed 4-car and 5-car sets? (A nine car train) probably only when they have a shortage of cars?

[@this51man]

No

[@JerichoWhiskey]

Only time this will likely occur is in an emergency and even then only couple mechanically and not electrically.

[@this51man]

@@JerichoWhiskey every single 160 can couple (and run) with each other both electrical and iron to iron. The odds of a 4 car set coupled to a 5 car set in service is slim to none because they are kept in separate yards. Its a lot easier just finding another train to make service

[@TheBronxFanner]

Not on the R160, but they have used 9 car trains on R62A (3) trains from the 1980's to 1990's. (Yes, back then the (3) used R62A's instead of R62's)

[@this51man]

@@TheBronxFanner and those were just 9 singles

[@noobo569]

whats the intro song

[@CNJRails]

Loyalty Freak Music - You know why

[@CholaHelloKitty]

Hi

[@chriskelly4683]

1:42

[@mtar211boi6]

Mabye a r160A couple with r160B

[@TheSearleFamily123]

I think that's actually done often, regardless of the propulsion.

[@user-lw5hk1yt9n]

Can someone please tell me the train car numbers ❤

[@vibinzey]

did anyone notice is a 10 car train when the letter trains are normaly 8 cars?

[@TheRailLeaguer]

It depends on the length of the car. There are 60 and 75 feet cars, with 10 60 feet cars or 8 75 feet cars used to make a full length trains for much of the lettered lines. Now for the J/Z, L, and M, 8 60 feet cars make a full length train as their platforms can only hold 480 feet trains.

[@user-lw5hk1yt9n]

Someone please 🥺🥺🥺 (i really want to know the car number because I want to get on that specific train)

[@christopherstory2136]

Can't wait til thevR211's come...in 2050😝

[@birdjudey4751]

But they arrive in 2020

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Correction: April 2021

[@nojeansv]

question for today: *which is better, siemens or alstom?* 🤔🤔

[@HiAmAj6643]

siemens

[@nojeansv]

@@HiAmAj6643 i prefer both

[@vicentesilvervicente8297]

tipo metro foi produzido a partir de desde 2006

[@CholaHelloKitty]

What does RFW mean

[@TheBronxFanner]

Railfan Front Window.

[@CholaHelloKitty]

@@TheBronxFanneroh okay

[@Ohio_transit_kid]

They sound better

[@davidfeliciano882]

R46 r train need to put back not cbtc they have good old-fashioned Old School Millennium generation is the best thing to get Best old school generation train car long time respect to new technology trains 20th and 21st century

[@davidng2336]

Well since the population has generally risen in the last few years it’s best for CBTC operations as trains move faster with this technology. But there will indeed always great memories of the R46 R trains.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that CBTC not be installed?

[@davidng2336]

@@TheRailLeaguer CBTC NEEDS to be installed if we are going to solve overcrowding. Otherwise it will be disastrous.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

@@davidng2336 I know that.

[@davidng2336]

@@TheRailLeaguer Oh if you’re referring to the other guy, then yeah I guess he doesn’t want CBTC, like all the foamers trying to keep the old trains running.

[@danielhernandez-gh2dy]

I usted to be 8710 or 8711

[@toxiboi5771]

ii honestly perfer the alstom propulsion over siemens

[@morganlimes]

Sus

[@TheBronxFanner]

I prefer siemens over alstom

[@CupcakkeTheQueen]

I prefer the Alstom propulsion

[@danielhernandez-gh2dy]

Door chime

[@danielhernandez-gh2dy]

#

[@Emperor_NYC]

Damn, even mixed I still hate all of em. Then again, no difference but sound and numbers, and manufacturer plate.

[@birdjudey4751]

No it's number plat

[@nyctenthusiast3507]

Bruh

[@nrw_quixcope]

(R)etard train

[@polishwater4884]

Das weird

[@ItsDuckToYou]

SEIMENS BETTER THE ALSTOM

[@MunipalsFanJose]

FR

[@goldgamercommenting2990]

I prefer both