Mizuno ST190 vs. ST200 // Drivers

[@jaconbits]

Excited for this one. I think Mizuno has been killing it lately and I'm rooting for them.

[@MrAccord1234]

I have the Mizuno ST200X driver fitted with the Mfusin 039-R light weight shaft my previous driver being the Mizuno ST190 HL, I've only had it a couple of weeks now but already I'm seeing the benefits of it over my previous driver its longer straighter and the dispersion left to right is much tighter, keep up the good work guy's

[@gkeibler26]

Another amazing video! I just was fitted on Sunday down here in OH after watching a ton of your guys videos. Ended up going with the Mizuno ST200 and the Mizuno MP 20 SELs (shoutout to Matt for being a lefty!) I didn’t expect the Mizuno driver to fit me as well as it did! Now I can’t wait for them to come in and go to the range!

[@bertrangb]

I've got the SEL and ST190 driver/3w last year and hope you enjoy them as much as I have. The T20 wedges are sneaky good too. Even though I'll be using a SIM this year, Mizuno has really moved the needle with their line-up

[@gkeibler26]

bertrangb I’m thinking about getting the 3w as well with the specs for my driver. That would be the last piece of my overhaul. But your comment about the wedges has me wanting to look at those! Thanks! Glad you love your clubs!

[@stealthskater66]

Just bought the 200g and it is my soulmate. Gives me confidence in my drive that I’ve never had before

[@joesun913]

ST200 has been my favorite driver tested so far this year. Loved the feel and performance was great.

[@nv00021]

These are the videos that are by far the most informative guys.....such great content!! Matty Boy (use Scottish accent) human robot mode activated today!! Keep up the great work

[@InsuranceSpecialist]

I just did the same test exactly as a lefty! Same finding with speed and distance equality but didn't notice as much dispersion diff as Matt did, interesting and thanks for validation

[@bertrangb]

You guys are amazing! Thanks for confirming my testing. I have the ST190 and assumed the ST200 would be the likely upgrade for stability of ballspeed and dispersion. Even though it did just that, I needed spin and launch so to my surprise I went SIM 9* with the same Accra RPG 472 M5+ shaft. I'm getting 14* & 2000 rpm compared to 12* & 16-1800rpm.

[@brandonwest9855]

Great content as always!!! I play the st190 and it makes me curious about upgrading. On another note congratulations on being ranked #2 in golf magazines top fitters of North America!!!

[@paullee7760]

Currently playing the ST180 but I'm going to upgrade to the 200. I hit both side by side outdoors recently. To me...I found the ST200 felt more solid, less high pitched sound off the face, better stability and dispersion. Going for a proper fit soon! 😁

[@paullee7760]

Also found it sat a little open at address and looked more lofted than I was expecting. Didn't bother me though...

[@tomcaldwell5914]

Great info, guys. Getting fit next week for the ST200.

[@taylorbersuch9714]

I was fit to this driver with a Tensei Orange shaft a couple weeks so, finally getting out to play with it and I’m absolutely in love!

[@bobbykrechuniak8875]

Great video guys, and Mizuno is killing it the last couple years which is great to see!

[@gmen43]

Just purchased ST200X with standard 39 gram shaft, suitable for slower to medium swing speeds with slight draw bias. I have gained at least 15 meters after 3 rounds, and cannot believe how good it is. Highly recommend.

[@parnopsiripornpak5632]

I'm a fan of blue color so I'm pleased with ST180. Would love to give the 200 a try though. Great video as always guys.

[@JoelMcIntyre]

I play the blue monster ST180 and I freaking love it. It's a bit loud, but love it regardless. would love to see Matt hit the blue monster!!!

[@acemakerjay]

I have the ST 190 and I have hit the ST 200 once. I felt the ST 200 seemed softer off the face. Will be trying it again in a couple of weeks with Mizuno fitters coming to a course nearby. Matty's dispersion was spot on with the ST 200. I am in the market for a three wood. Will have to try the new model.

[@blakeg.1093]

Looking forward to Ian's fit then, I'd like to see how the G plays!

[@todds5956]

Just bought a st190 to replace my 5 buck rummage sale wilson. Looking forward to it.

[@Clint328]

Are those launch angle numbers a bit low? Perhaps a bit more loft would help?

[@bobbyk3469]

Interesting stuff. I switched from a TM M1 2017 to the ST 190 last year. Really love the ST. Stock Atmos Stiff and found the middle so much more. Not sure another move to the ST 200 would benefit me that much more. Now, if I hit it like Matt, maybe. Also switched to the ST 190 TS 3W. Loving that too. Next upgrade will be MP15 to the MP 20 MB.

[@rdickens1]

Great video! Very interesting numbers -- similar models but completely different lie/loft parameters off the shelf. Would be curious to see how much more spin the 190 would've produced if you adjusted it to match the 200's higher dynamic loft and launch angle.

[@jes_40]

ST200 is in my bag and really like it!

[@stevem4595]

When I see you guys do a review for a driver I'm thinking about buying I get so pumped! I'm thinking about replacing my Ping i25 w/ regular shaft with this Miz w/ stiff. Would you recommend SP190 for a player who has inconsistent face strikes but high ball speeds around 160mph?

[@isleofdeath]

Compared to for instance the F9, mishits/off center are punished way stronger by the ST190 to my experience. I had the opportunity of being a tester for the ST190 (including a fitting) and had the exact same shaft I had in my F9. The were worlds between them, no competing with the F9.

[@stevem4595]

@@isleofdeath Thabk You. I am going to try out a xr16 pro with a stiff shaft, the shaft on my club current is not listed and feels flimsy. I needed something cheap to try but it was hard not getting the Miz bc it's beautiful. It would be fun to see the TXG guys buy used equipment online and run testing.

[@TZOID08]

I'm playing a G400 Max and have exclusively played Ping Woods for many years. G25 , G30 , G , G400 and G400 Max.... I'm tempted to try the ST200 Driver and 3 wood .

[@taichiyhhhb.2619]

Awesome video guys as usual. So tempting to upgrade! Am I playing with an inferior driver in the GT180?

[@joegarza1835]

Can you do the same review but on a slower swing speed? Maybe with Lindsay perhaps. Just to give a more accurate readings for us normal golfers. 😁

[@JRXIX]

Nice comparo again gents! Would adding lead tape at the back of the ST190 possibly change or enhance stability? I know it will increase the head weight a few grams........ Maybe a video on lead tape and the effects of using it, also pros and cons of lead tape usage???!? Lots of tour players seem to use lead tape....... Thanks again for the solid honest content 💪

[@Slymax95]

Did you guys ever test the ST190 TS fairway ?

[@adamgoertzen9345]

Thanks for the review fellas. I’m currently running the ST190. Definitely find it forgiving than my old cobra F8.. Do you think I’ll see any difference with the new one?

[@rufussthoo4083]

BTW guys, at about 6:40 minutes you start talking a lot about lie angles. I reviewed the dynamic lie angle (Trackman data) from my last 20 range sessions and I'm getting very consistent, very low angles - 0.9 with my driver and 3w, 1.0 with my 3H, 1.1 for the driving iron, a range between 1.1 and 1.2 for all irons 4-9 then 1.2 for all my wedges. What is this actually telling me?

[@jaconbits]

I got fit only a year ago for driver, but I've undergone a lot of swing changes. At what degree of change should I invest in another fitting? My ball speed is up 10 mph but my spin is up 600 as well.

[@whiskerrub]

“Interesting” - Matt Blois. I confess as a lefty I had impure thoughts I felt the test may have limited due to lefty offerings by Mizuno. Glad you guys offered up a future comparison video with a righty. Please forgive me Matty and Lefty_SoCal I have sinned I will say Three Hello World’s and pay the TXG Swear Jar. 👍

[@stevostevopick4003]

Indeed, and remember, "every pennies' a prisoner", in that jar with the label that says "do not break until TXG bucket hat stock replenishes". 😉

[@whiskerrub]

Stevo Stevopick Send a protest email to Matty Boy, can’t remember his TXG email maybe he will post it. I don’t think they truly understand the TXG Bucket Hat Force and all its powers. 😂😉

[@banditbaker1675]

@@whiskerrub Shush, I thought that we agreed not to divulge the TXG Bucket Hat Super Powers until the Hats were on the heads of the TXG Super Troops. Our plans for World domination may now be compromised. Oh well, never mind it means that I can get more Naps in now.

[@whiskerrub]

Bandit Baker Sorry I got excited happens every spring I see another patch of grass in the snow and think all the revolutionary TXG Bucket Hat needs is more testers, I bet Matty would get at least 1 yard further and 1 yard tighter dispersion wearing the bucket hat. You see now they have to produce a video to disprove our claims😉😂😂

[@banditbaker1675]

@@whiskerrub did Princess DirtyDog Matty manage to get a left-handed bucket hat? Wait, I'm napping....does this mean that we have opened the TXG Bucket Hat Nap Vortex again?

[@Raymond-sj7cn]

Tried the ST200 and ST200 G...still don’t like the G version and I think that is because of the movable weights. Affects the “feel” of the driver (for me). Loved the ST200 and that one could easily go into the bag.....and maybe it will😇

[@chrismorgan3886]

Launcher turbo driver review, please:-)

[@ybach64]

If find it really interesting that Mizuno drivers and woods are so well priced when the irons are quite expensive. I understand that the forged club cost more to produce and that’s probably why, but if the cost was balanced a bit, would that sell more of both? Or do they see that as devaluing the irons, just a question. I’m seriously considering a mizuno driver next as it seems such a good club at a good price.

[@mangelarsson7774]

Is the standard G410plus driver a lot less forgiving than the G410lst? Im also struggling with launch like Matt, but still want as much speed as possible. I game the TM M2 2016 right now at 10.5 and love the feel, but think it comes out a little low at times.

[@seanmeyer5553]

Getting fitted at your facility next week for a hybrid. Any hybrids I should check out for a thin miss?

[@rufussthoo4083]

I've tried the SIM (and M5), Mavrik (and Epic Flash), G410 Plus (and G400) and I'm trying to find an F9 to compare to the Speed Zone if my local fitter will get them in. I did this to determine if a 2020 driver was really that much better than the previous model (for my average male amateur swing, as opposed to Matty's average male cyborg swing) to justify the difference in price, given the big discounts on all 2019 models now. The price differences are big here - $300 - $400 (fitted). I spoke to them about the Mizuno the other day and looks like they'll be getting those in so I'll definitely give them a go. Because of the already lower price point, and this comparo vid, I don't think I'll need to test the 190 against the 200 though. It looks like the improvements in the 200 are well worth the small premium over the 190 (only about $150 diff.). Loving the value-add this content provides :) Cheers fellas.

[@wallstreetoneil]

Now that they have the 3rd head, the clear easy fix / improvement over the 190 was to drop the lie angle and make it less Draw biassed

[@jeffgiles4330]

The sound is the only thing that's a touch odd to me. Such a solid driver from a company that's been making quality clubs for a long time. Glad their woods are finally getting some love!

[@randyrandy1506]

Can you use a Mizuno st190 driver shaft in the mizuno st200 driver head. Basically are the adapter and hosel the same?

[@TheOgieone]

Definitely solid preference at a great price point.

[@stevenkellick9388]

Just put the 200G in the bag a few weeks ago.

[@chrisfrost6581]

I hope Mizzy can establish their position as a credible product outside irons, they are clearly refining a good formula year on year and be great for them to have a range that people can consider. Maybe even a playable ball ;-) (coming from a mizzy iron player)

[@paulrigby3578]

Great information keep it up guys brilliant 👍👍

[@MikeDoba]

Hmm sounds like I should try that st190 for the lie angle.. I sooo struggle with an open face but I hit ~2 from the inside resulting in push fades but have issues squaring her up, I can close her but then tye duck hook comes out.

[@bdpSovietafr0]

the st200 was really nice, and will attest, was quite easy to control

[@chriswalters7910]

I really wish you guys would get someone that could hit the ball consistently and consistently long.... hahahahahahahahaha!!!! Love the content as usual and Matty..... you need to get out there and start qualifying!!

[@darrenhall1615]

Just got st200 with tensei orange shaft, it's like a laser compared to any other of the new drivers out there

[@michealweathers4769]

Matty, liking that ACCRA shaft? How much did the shaft effect the stability of the club head?

[@clubchampionmedia]

like that shaft a lot so far! Don't think I would notice it affecting the stability of the head, more how it helps my timing and strike pattern

[@michealweathers4769]

@@clubchampionmedia Okay. I didn't know if the shaft would help keep the club head from twisting on toe strikes.

[@clubchampionmedia]

potentially, but that's hard to measure properly without robot testing/3D capture

[@michealweathers4769]

@@clubchampionmedia I thought Matty was a robot????? You've crushed my soul.......

[@reidbrian08]

Ian...I am hitting a Titleist 913 that I was not fitted for. How much of an upgrade would I expect if I got fitted for one of these new (any of them) drivers?

[@clubchampionmedia]

likely some big upgrades - especially since you weren't fit for the 913

[@jaydoubleu0311]

Bettinardi wedge review soon?

[@michaelcoutts3746]

Please test ts3 vs sim!

[@timothygorrell4714]

Anyways you guys can compare the new 200g to the 190g...thanks

[@mikedupree2290]

Are we doing a driver comp this year?

[@clubchampionmedia]

for sure, starting soon!

[@robbuckley3159]

I would like to have the blue option, even at an upgrade price.

[@keithfinley2939]

I miss the Matte(y boy) Blue.

[@joesmithgolffanatic1004]

Do you think that the ST180 is still competitive to its upgrades?

[@clubchampionmedia]

haven't tested side by side, but based on what we know yes - ST200 should be a nice upgrade over ST180

[@jeremycrowley994]

How would you rate it against the cobra sz ?

[@clubchampionmedia]

haven't hit them side by side yet, both seem to be very good

[@jeremycrowley994]

TXG Tour Experience Golf Both are getting very good reviews alright thanks for the reply....keep up the great work really enjoy watching your content on these cold dreary Irish nights 👍

[@Inkskey]

Got to love Mizuno, such an honest company and products! Would love to know your thoughts on efficency (club speed to ball speed) in terms of this being the greater gain to help diatance for a player over new equipment. Superb as always guys!!!!!

[@texmex697]

You've gotta be putting that in your bag, right. That's the most consistent bunch of shots I've ever seen you hit.

[@samslade7986]

Used to play the jpx 800, then got the st180. Unfortunatly New Zealand never got the st190 and I haven't seen the st200 here yet. So looks like the end of mizuno drivers here

[@ChristianW1975]

Alright, i’ll admit it, i’m a Mizuno fan through and through

[@steinfonell4915]

SO weird not to see the ball roll over the green ...

[@wally6193]

I see Luke Donald is playing the ST200G version, so it can't be too bad, unless of course his contract says he has to play it.

[@clubchampionmedia]

would imagine he could play something else if he wanted to, (could be wrong) but I don't think Mizuno has required woods as part of their player contracts in the past

[@wally6193]

@@clubchampionmedia Well I guess you guys could ask the rep as you do know him. My point was that Luke isn't exactly the longest guy on tour so if he thought using a Ping or TM would help him over what he gets from the 200g I'm sure he wouldn't have gone elsewhere for a driver and not the 200G. Good to see they're finally making some decent drivers that can keep up with the comp.

[@CoachNip]

Wish they would have used the G

[@Alenarra1]

I use the st190 best driver

[@jadamane]

U were partying last nite

[@gimbalair]

I'm disappointed, i was hoping Matt was going to knock this past his G410 (which i play as well), I was hoping this was going to be longer and then i could look at it as an option. but it doesnt appear to be any longer than the G410 if even equal to...Head to head perhaps?,

[@clubchampionmedia]

we didn't test G410 on the same day, but ST200 numbers were pretty similar to what I'd expect from my own driver

[@jaybyrne4562]

Been waiting on this. No real difference except dispersion. Not worth a change as yet as my face and path control would easily override any stability improvement Mizuno have made 🙈

[@raywest6260]

Let see rolls reversed. Only say this to see the other options they have in the right handed versions

[@ermangus]

Always one “thumbs down.” Who are you?!

[@mattsmith-bl2bg]

Callaway Rep.