Full Metal Jacket (1987) First Time Watching [Movie Reaction]

"I am in a world full of sh*t, yes...but I am alive" 😭
those lines hit differently after we watched this movie!
1:15 - Movie reaction
26:20 - Post-movie discussion
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[@stonetrooper2]

Y’all were laughing early on in the basic training scene and I kept thinking , “You’re not going to be laughing in a few minutes.”

[@rawpower12xu]

I was thinking the same thing. Those early scenes are funny .. until it’s not.

[@roberthaines1227]

It’s seems funny to the uninitiated. A lot different when you’re actually there.

[@wonderweasle2212]

Why not? I laughed the whole time

[@wonderweasle2212]

​@@roberthaines1227 I was there and it was funny

[@richardstorm4603]

25:07 If I would have been Joker, I would have asked Rafterman, "What are you grinning about? 😡This is YOUR fault! 😡" And Rafterman would have said, "DUDE! I just saved your life!" And I would have said, "SILENCE! 😡" And that's when me and Rafterman would have gotten into a big brawl. Then, snipergirl would have yelled, "WILL SOMEONE JUST SHOOT ME, ALREADY! 😡" That's when we would have all had a good laugh, including the sniper girl. 🙂

[@dirkdigital]

Stanley Kubrick was the cinematic genius of his day. His movies have been studied and pondered for years. Besides "The Shining", "2001: A Space Odyssey", "Dr. Strangelove" and "A Clockwork Orange" are some of his most watched movies, but everything he made was brilliant.

[@fannybuster]

He also directed the First Moon Landing

[@matthewpohlman]

@@fannybuster Yes!

[@pintolerance785]

Yeah it sucks that his last movie before his death Eyes Wide Shut wasn't good at all. And also what he did to Shelley Duvall is just straight horrible.

[@gravitypronepart2201]

This movie sucks. Unrealistic in several ways, but I did think the depiction of Hue was pretty good.

[@pintolerance785]

@@tylermcgowan3869 r/woosh

[@EastPeakSlim]

Thank you for reacting. I am a Vietnam era man who resisted the draft and did not serve. A very dear friend did serve a tour of duty. Fortunately, he returned home safely. He was a different man after serving. He would not talk about it. He was jumpy around loud noises. It took about a year for him to seem his old self. The good news is that he used the GI Bill to pay for his schooling at Palmer College of Chiropractic. I miss him every day.

[@adriancozad8308]

My brother fought in battle for Hue,him and another marine went hand to hand with the enemy even while more ran by them.. fighting,beaten,bloody and practically naked..then to exhausted..everyone,even the attackers fell to the ground,to tired to move or fight,then he heard vietnames coming and talking above them..then gun shots.. they shot the enemy laying around them and jumped in and pulled them out(south vietnamese)later,before coming home he didnt want any medals etc.

[@KrGsMrNKusinagi0]

Its weird the majority of the people who fought in vietnam did volunteer.. The majority who fought in ww2 were drafted in the USA not volunteers.. Yet WW2 is portrayed as the patriotic war

[@EastPeakSlim]

@@KrGsMrNKusinagi0 Those drafted for WW II were because at the outbreak we had the 17th largest army in the world in terms of number of servicemen. The USA needed lots and lots of warm bodies to fill the uniforms. No disrespect to those who did serve in Southeast Asia, but I cannot find a single thing about that war that qualifies as patriotic.

[@Chris-c1n5z]

Why did you resist?

[@EastPeakSlim]

On moral grounds.@@Chris-c1n5z

[@davidspellman2566]

What happened to Private Pyle with the soap was called a "Blanket Party", and though it never happened in my unit, it was definitely a real thing. Great movie and a Great reaction!

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[@mokane86]

We had one against a guy who would not stop fcking us all over with his nincompoopery and selfish jackassery. He was talking shit back and sneaking food and failing from no effort. Not at all my idea, but I had to convince everyone else of some basic rules, like no padlocks... Most of us just stuffed a rolled up sock into to the end of a loose sock. Dude got his shiz together afterward and mostly stopped acting a fool. Of course in 2008 the instructors couldnt put hands on you or go over certain "harrassment" lines in their shouting. There were even technically rules of how much they could beat you with exercise, but I watched them get around that when having a guy do pushups for an hour and leaving him on 1 the whole time since he sucked at them.

[@energeez]

happened in my unit. But it wasn't like the movie, guy was an asshole, and it worked it out, he was chill afterwards.

[@WilliamPickett75]

Didn't happen when I went through recruit training. But our DI did mention that he would not mind repeating training accidents. The Blanket party is also called a "Code Red." Better to happen in recruit training than in combat. Their they would have gotten a "Fragging or Frag Party." That's where you would gave killed them out in combat

[@19brittani]

we gave a blanket party to a dude that would not shower.. stinking MF. he got the blanket, punches and overturned bed at 1 am. Lackland AFB in the 80s oh yeah he started to shower after PT... we fixed his ass.

[@DaLander]

Enjoyed your reaction. Another very good Vietnam (anti-)war movie is "Platoon" (1986) by Oliver Stone with Charlie Sheen, Willem Dafoe and Tom Berenger.

[@squarewave808]

Bit of trivia: the Vietnamese sniper wasn’t actually using a Kalashnikov. It looks very similar, but her rifle was actually a Czechoslovakian rifle called the vz.58. It has a similar appearance and fires the same cartridge as the AK-47, but is quite different mechanically.

[@Aurelius556]

True. Rarely did you see them exported. The only time I saw vz.58s was in Africa and I know the IRA tried to get some of them, unsuccessfully.

[@BarryHart-xo1oy]

Thank you for pointing this out.

[@accountablehog]

My Dad was a Vietnam Marina and says that this is exactly what his boot camp experience was like - exactly…

[@guymorris6596]

Thank you to your father for his service.

[@UWalvern0810]

My dad said the same thing. According to him, Emery even 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬𝘦𝘥 like his old Company Commander (he was navy, like me - eventually).😂

[@goldenwolf8081]

My dad who’s an army vet who served in the 80s, has told me many times, it’s the most accurate military movie he’s ever seen from the training to the violence to all the insults.

[@iKvetch558]

I have never seen it specifically stated by Kubrick anywhere, but Private Pyle is a clear representation of a real program that the Defense Department ran in the 1960s. It was called "Project 100,000" and it was a test to see whether the mental and physical parameters for serving in the US military could be widened to make the pool of potential service people larger. Between escalation in Vietnam and all the other military commitments of the Cold War in those days, the military was concerned about a shortage of people to serve. So they started testing whether recruits who were normally just a bit below the normal standard for IQ, or emotional stability, or physical fitness could be turned into effective military personnel. The same program would have led to Forrest Gump being recruited and serving in Vietnam. ✌💯

[@GK-yi4xv]

Aka 'McNamara's Morons'. Defense secretary McNamara believed (too conveniently) that the old minimum standards were obsolete, and new, 'high tech' training methods could compensate for low IQ. (basically just watching training videos over and over again) It didn't work well, and the program was canceled in scandal. The new recruits had higher levels of suicide, divorce, insubordination, breakdown under fire, etc, etc I wonder if they also had higher rates of atrocities against civilians

[@sdaniels160]

Pyle had unrecognized learning issues.

[@sparky6086]

You should watch "Private Benjamin". It's a 1980 comedy about women in the Army. It stars Goldie Hawn.

[@dunhill1]

But first watch Stripes with Bill Murray and John Candy, much funnier.

[@Curraghmore]

'Platoon' (1986) and 'Apocalypse Now' (1979) would be good Vietnam war movies for you to react to, they were both filmed in the Philippines.

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[@greeneyesinfl9954]

I graduated from Marine Corps boot camp in Parris Island in 1986, drill instructors never run out of that material. This movie was actually filmed in England. This was an anti-war film by Stanley Kubrick, he did do The Shining, A Clockwork Orange, 2001: A Space Odyssey and many others.

[@smichelle65]

Don't forget his other great anti-war film, Paths of Glory.

[@guymorris6596]

One, Marine, thank you for your service. Two, you're right that this movie was shot in England. That's because Stanley Kubrick had a big fear of flying. He located this abandoned petroleum refinery near London and had thousands of palm trees flown in to the location from Thailand. It's a superb movie and one of my all time favorites. It's good that Kubrick stepped back and let Gunnery Sergeant R Lee Ermey step in and do his thing to add realism to the movie. I've been honorably discharged from the US Army since June 1991 but my oath of allegiance continues on.

[@SPQRTejano]

Graduated MCRD in 1987

[@williamjones6031]

1. There are always more than one CC in boot camp (at least in the Navy) where partially recruits can't be abused. Verbal abuse is one thing but physical was a NO GO. 2. Vincent D'Onofrio played the Bug in MIB and had to put on 50lbs for this role 3. Hardman was out of control. Others outside his recruits would have noticed and he would have been held accountable. 4. "I don't know, but I've been told. Eskimo pussy is mighty cold." was used in my Navy recruit company in 1981. 5. In the US Navy real live ammo was always accounted for, and Pyle wouldn't have had it on his person in the head. 6. The lights in the head are always lit. (lighting I suspect). 7. "Blanket parties" were a real deal. We didn't have one because we didn't have a Gomer Pyle. 8. The hooker in Saigon is just distracting them so the motorcycle guys can steal the camera. I saw that happen in the Philippines. 9. "I wouldn't shit you, you're my favorite turd" I've used that. 🤣 10. Even by Hollywood standards, Kubrick went overboard with excessive bloodletting.

[@emilianosintarias7337]

1. Having slept with an inuit woman who was working in Vancouver, I can report that eskimo pussy is not cold.

[@williamjones6031]

@@emilianosintarias7337 It was just a chant. I've never been myself but totally would agree with you. Because I can't imagine it being ant other way.

[@Duskwalker68]

Such an awesome movie! That entire bootcamp section is incredibly done.

[@lurkerrekrul]

Full Metal Jacket refers to the metal casing on the rifle bullets. A bullet has two main parts, the shell and the bullet itself. Shells are normally made out of brass, while the bullet (the part that gets fired out of the gun) is usually made out of lead. Lead is very soft. It tends to quickly gum up the inside of semi-automatic guns and cause them to jam. Lead bullets also won't penetrate objects as well. So bullets for assault rifles, as well as some handgun bullets have a metal "jacket" on the bullet.

[@tonygumbrell22]

I am an Army veteran who served in a rifle (line infantry) company in Vietnam. I was told, and believe it to be fact, that jacketed bullets used in war are required by the Hague Convention of 1899. The jacket is usually copper coated steel, the core bullet is lead. The main reason given for the requirement is humanitarian. Jacketed bullets leave cleaner more treatable wounds. Unjacketed lead bullets tend to mushroom, or fragment.

[@OcotilloTom]

That's about how it was. I served 20 years in the Marine Corp and two combat tours in Vietnam. The first tour as a machine gunner (0331) in 1965-66 and the second as a Platoon commander (0369) in 1970-71. I retired after 20 years and had a 30 year career as a California police officer ( Marin County). What I learned in the Marine Corps has helped me all my life. I highly recommend it to anyone needing direction and wishing to learn self discipline . Tom Boyte GySgt. USMC, retired Bronze Star, Purple Heart

[@dudermcdudeface3674]

That's amazing. I wasn't around for '60s drama, but the impression I get is that the main issue was the draft. They were putting people in this who not only didn't want to be in it, they didn't even have the personality for it. I've heard some epic rants on this from people I trust. They say that every American value was just being thrown away for politics. Full Metal Jacket seems to be a parable about that. Seems to reflect the historical consensus.

[@petereirich6502]

Thank you for your service.

[@SoldierPoet]

Thank you for your service. 👍

[@clemsonalum98]

Interesting, my dad served 27, 1 tour (67-68) and was a DI around 1980 before eventually becoming an LDO. He said a lot of it was bullshit so do I believe him or you?

[@robertzimmerman3980]

Welcome home brother and SFMF! RVN 69-70 I was a tank crewman M48-A3

[@auerstadt06]

Kubrick didn't do many films but they're all on a different level, starting with "Paths Of Glory."

[@J4ME5_]

Just like the helmet and pin, this movie is a dichotomy. The universe as a cold, heartless mishmash of meaninglessness, humor and tragedy. Brilliant

[@jaydisqus3353]

The gunner in the chopper was supposed to be the drill Sargent. A real life drill Sargent took the job from him.

[@WilliamPickett75]

No such thing as a Drill Sargent's in the Marines. We have Drill Instructors

[@sjd5750]

A small snippet of trivia. Kubrick is the guy holding the camera, and shooting the tracking scene when they're all lined up, sitting against the wall.

[@fashizzle78]

My uncle was drafted and sent to Vietnam and told us alot of draftees would stay high on marijuana or heroin to keep their minds off of being killed out in the jungles from an ambush or stepping on a booby trap or being blown up .I don't blame them for gettin high to not think about being killed

[@evolve1837]

29:43 - I was waiting to see the two reactions.

[@kentuckyjerk323]

Lee Emery was not only a real drill instructor, he was a war veteran. During Vietnam, Marine boot camp was cut down from 13 weeks to 8. They had to be this mean. Emery stated everyday he checked to see if his former recruits were dead. They are responsible for teaching those men everything from making a bed correctly to surviving a war.

[@matthewpohlman]

Lee Ermey was fantastic as well in playing the riveting role of 'Coach' in 'Saving Silverman'.

[@thenjry]

Well he would read the Stars and Stripes paper's obituaries and would regularly notice names he had pushed. It certainly wasn't something he enjoyed, it weighed on him heavily. While instructors are as hard and abrasive as they can be, and sometimes they definitely get their kicks doing it, under all of that is the drive to train them better than they were trained and prepare them for the hardships that are ahead.

[@johnraygun9868]

He came and visited us in Iraq 2003 for the invasion, fn loved that guy!

[@tombrady2023]

I was in USMC boot camp in 1970 and the DI's would tell us to make sure we did'nt receive any pogy bait from home sweets. Well we were on the road one night getting our mail when a recruit got a package. it was a box of cookies from home .The senior DI Staff Sgt Keys told him to count the cookies . We had 52 men in the platoon he had 36 cookies not enough for everybody so he had to eat them all himself but he did'nt eat them fast enough so Keys stuffed them into his mouth and punched him in the stomach as well as a reminder to us. Two nights later in the shower area of the head I found him with a cue tip jammed in his ear and blood running down his face and pooling on his t-shirt. never saw him again. Until one day in Da Nang I saw a Marine being escorted by MP's it was him........

[@juan20142014]

They had to desensitize them so they could commit human atrocities without remorse, war in a nutshell.

[@Stogie2112]

I saw this in the theater when it came out. After it was over, we all walked out just stunned. It was the most intense film I had ever seen at the time. It blew away every war film that I had seen before it. Then I saw Saving Private Ryan....

[@Mr.Goodkat]

Have you seen Come And See?

[@Stogie2112]

Nope. I may check it out sometime.

[@kojiattwood]

@@Mr.Goodkat The only time I've walked out of a theatre and no one spoke a single word after that movie.

[@Mr.Goodkat]

@@kojiattwood Where and when did you see it?

[@Mr.Goodkat]

@@Stogie2112 It's free on KZbin and widely regarded the greatest war movie ever made, slow start but the ending is horrific.

[@elihan9]

They didn't lower the standards. They just stop the physical beatings. Turns out yelling and making one do immediate pt works well. Also, alot of drill instructors went on power trips and would assault recruits for no reason.

[@PapaEli-pz8ff]

Marian.. Joy.. thank you so much for another great job! You are among the very best reactors that I have been following for the last couple of years. Looking forward to more..

[@davidwilkins5932]

We “inherited” the war from French Colonialism. They had a very long and twisted history in Vietnam. We learned, as the French did, that it wasn’t a winnable war. Neither country had legitimate business trying to shape the country into something it wasn’t. A story that has been repeated without end across the globe.

[@Gort-Marvin0Martian]

If you want to watch a strange Kubrick then try, "Eyes Wide Shut". It was released after he had died. Absolutely bizarre! He never made a bad film. Another one is, "The Killing" Y'all be safe.

[@randyboggy719]

The rifle the sniper is using is not an AK it is a Czeh VZ58 an unusual choice but interesting for this movie.

[@dunhill1]

ah okay, I was wondering why that gook was using something other than a real AK. it had a slightly different action and sound, plus the sight at the end of the barrel as different that the others. Thanks -- I never knew that.

[@johnscott4196]

Also, I had a friend (recently passed from Covid) who was a platoon Sgt. in Vietnam, decorated, purple heart, brought back a pistol and belt from an NVA officer with documentation. He said the battle scenes in Hua were very realistic.

[@guymorris6596]

Thank you to your friend for his service, especially in Vietnam, and I salute him for that and earning the Purple Heart medal.

[@flbphotography2239]

*Hue

[@jackg.1683]

@@guymorris6596 Maybe don't thank someone for signing up to fight an imperialist war and invading another country 😬 yikes!

[@boosuedon]

I went through Parris Island. MCRD, South Carolina in 1969 and I can tell you with authority that this is the closest depiction of Marine Bootcamp that I have ever seen! Many of the events seen here actually happened in my platoon! Blanket party on a sub-par recruit, being hit with fist, open hand, and in one case the butt of a M16 rifle. One recruit tried to commit suicide but when his attempt failed the Senior Drill Instructor turned it into a school lesson on how to correctly commit suicide! "If this private had read his field manual and done it properly I would not be standing here now holding his sorry ass arm in the air. He would be dead." Marine training was harsh. The Marine Corps felt that if they could mentally break you down in the relative safety of training then you most likely would break down under the stress of actual combat, get yourself killed and probably some of your buddies as well. I can also tell you with great pride that there was no greater sense of accomplishment than standing on that Parade deck during graduation and FINALLY been called United States Marines. We were most definitely cocky!

[@Scary__fun]

A few things the reactors weren't clear about... the Vietnam War lasted from 1955-1975. North Vietnam was supported by Russia, China and other communist nations. Some of the reasons for protests in U.S. against the war... it was the first war where there was extensive television coverage of it in news. People seeing young American soldiers being killed as well as atrocities committed against women and children civilians made it highly unpopular. Soldiers returned mentally troubled with PTSD generally not known about by general public in past conflicts (though there was the term "shell shocked"). Also, though U.S. military knew the war wasn't going well and some said it was unwinnable, the American government wasn't telling the American public that and kept sending mostly drafted youth to their deaths.

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[@whisperjet707]

Going hardcore, the deep end. I like.👍

[@hisdudeness8328]

Fun fact: Emery addlibbed the whole drill instructor scene.

[@dunhill1]

Not only that, it wasn't scripted at all.

[@guymorris6596]

USMC Gunnery Sergeant R. Lee Ermey and he was an actual drill sergeant in the past. He didn't need anything scripted because he was working from experience.

[@LeadStarDude]

You can see the different personalities between who was drafted and who volunteered in this movie. The writer, director, and the actors did very well at representing that. The ones who volunteered were there to kill, and those drafted were there only because they were forced to. They didn't want to kill as much as survive, but many of them became killers anyway because of the emotional trauma.

[@PaiMei667]

Pls check out Enemy at the Gates.

[@jamesgilburt1050]

I loved your reaction to this war classic, Joy & Marian. It really is hard hitting. R Lee Ermy played the Drill Instructor and he was a real life DI, originally on set as a technical advisor but Stanley Kubrick was so impressed with his demonstration of what he was about that he cast him as the DI and most of his dialogue was improvised. The most impressive military performance I've ever seen. I recommend seeing him in The Boys In Company C (1978) - which is like FMJ, but just during Marine training.

[@STAkers-ni9jg]

I went through Parris Island in 1980, two of the Drill instructors, including the Senior, had served in Vietnam and were the real deal when it came to hardasses, and R. Lee Ermey nails it perfectly. The Pvt. Pyle character, most likely in real life, would have long since been "Recycled", that is forced to repeat beginning training all over again with a new platoon until he either got it or was discharged as being unfit.

[@myfriendisaac]

I *am* in a 🌎 of 💩 Yes, but I am alive. And I am not afraid.

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[@PrimitiveFilmGroup]

*Casualties of War* (1989) True story, please react 🙏

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[@petemcfeet28]

Nice reaction. That's it, game over. Cheers.

[@tigerburn81]

In boot camp, the name on the back of Joker's sweatshirt is: *J.T. Davis.* On, 22 December, 1961, SP4 James T. Davis became the first US causality of the Vietnam War when he was killed in a Viet Cong ambush.

[@iamamaniaint]

Good take on Private Pyle! I've always noticed the irony of that. He was turned into a killer, alright. Sgt. Hartman was a little too good at his job. It backfired on him, quite literally! Also, Sgt. Hartman used Charles Whitman and Lee Harvey Oswald as examples of great marine training lol. Great foreshadowing, as well as a Kubrickian moment of pitch black humor.

[@bryanCJC2105]

China and Russia supported North Vietnam. US supported South Vietnam. The US govt didn't want South Vietnam to fall to the Communists. The war started in 1955 and lasted to 1975. The US was really fighting Russia and China through Vietnam, using Vietnam instead of actually fighting each other. Every night on TV, they showed the number of Americans that were killed and showed dead Americans and Vietnamese. The picture of a little girl burned from a napalm attack running down the road naked and screaming, along with pictures of murdered women, children and old villagers, shocked Americans. It became an unpopular war and unfortunately and sadly, many soldiers were treated badly when they returned.

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[@williamM-18]

You weren't there!...Judge not, Lest you be Judged!

[@OneThousandHomoDJs]

1:20 -- My dad was stationed at Quantico in the late 60s, and he assures me that this Gunny was *very* typical of dudes in that line of work.

[@dudermcdudeface3674]

American participation in the Vietnam War boiled down to a political calculation by the President at the time, Lyndon Johnson, who had inherited the office after the Kennedy assassination. Kennedy got criticized a lot for the failure of anti-Communist policies in Cuba, and Johnson wanted to look strong. His successor, Richard Nixon, who was an infamous psychopath, sabotaged Johnson's peace talks in order to keep it as a campaign issue, and then kept the war going years longer than neccessary to look strong when he finally felt like withdrawing American forces. That's pretty much it. Sixty thousand Americans died for that, and something like a million Vietnamese.

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[@steven95N]

No one ever lowered the standards. I'm not sure where you heard that but Men and women have completely different requirements due to physiology differences between a man and female. That doesn't mean a woman can't be an incredible soldier. Talk like that is just completely ignorant and downright stupid. I served with many women who are more "Man" than people who complain about something they know nothing about and doesn't affect them, ie you.

[@rnw2739]

Downright stupid? You just said women have completely different requirements due to the physical incompatibility - the marines never used to recruit female soldiers so therefore, they had to lower their standards when they began recruiting females, to accommodate those differences! Your protestations to the contrary are futile and highlight your refusal to acknowledge fact.

[@csw3287]

Blanket Party

[@perfectq7206]

Both your accents are just awesome. Love the way you take your time drilling into the movies. Authenticity is king in reacting & both you have it. Keep it up.

[@AMan-JCIL]

Apparently the reason for wrapping a soap bar in a towel is because it leaves no visible marks and bruises the inside not the outside.

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[@mimikurtz2162]

No, it's because it makes an effective club using the materials at hand which will really hurt without cracking bones or drawing blood.

[@AMan-JCIL]

Yeah I know it's an improvised weapon, but it bruises the inside not the outside, and actually it would draw blood if you hit someone in the nose or lip with it.

[@AMan-JCIL]

People used this method in prison back in the day, also a roll of newspaper, roll it up and then fold it, the end will be solid.

[@AMan-JCIL]

Wrapping a soap bar in a towel causes more internal damage and no topical evidence. Because the initial impact is absorbed as much by the weapon, causing less broken surface vessels but the same amount of muscle and organ trauma. Essentially the softer matter in the towel will lessen the initial impact. Visible bruises are from the damaging of surface level blood vessels, so it sort of bypasses those. You still get bruises, but they're internal.

[@Wash869]

Recommendation for you to react: Exists (2014), this movie is underrated, but and good and tense.

[@dudermcdudeface3674]

Second best Nam movie. Apocalypse Now is the all-time monster.

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[@TheIgnoredGender]

They got off on the wrong foot at first. But the privates and the drill instructor become friends.

[@Stogie2112]

Friends? Umm..... 😯

[@porflepopnecker4376]

I like the first half of the movie, but I think the second half is some of Kubrick's worst filmmaking ever.

[@DaLander]

"Good morning Vietnam" (1987) with Robin Williams is also a good movie set in Vietnam. Mostly more on the funny side but not without serious scenes and themes.

[@donpietruk1517]

That movie was well received in Vietnam when released. The Vietnamese were pleased about the sensitive treatment the movie gave to their culture and portrayal of actual Vietnamese society.

[@timdyer5903]

You need Apocalypse Now, Platoon, Casualties of War. Then Dear America, letters from Vietnam.

[@Divamarja_CA]

I was in a film festival audience for Dear America, and I’m here to tell you that it’s something special and unique to hear grown men crying in public, in addition to everyone else. This is a powerful and interesting doc, and I strongly recommend it.

[@timdyer5903]

@@Divamarja_CA I'm from the UK. I watched Dear America Letters from Vietnam in 1990. It inspired me to work in Asia and spend some time in Vietnam in the 1990s. Dear American is an intense experience with real lives. I went to Khe Sanh, the village and land that got 8 million kilos of bombs in Operation Niagara. I went to the outside of the old US Embassy (which has since been demolished) Later on I saw A Bright Shining Lie, with Bill Paxton and it shows how the good intentions of America became mired by the reality if the war it ran. The Winter Soldier 1971 interviews of veterans and documentaries on veterans in 1981 who ended up in jail because of their PTSD (the voice of which was used in Paul Hardcastle 19). This history has a lot to study and learn.

[@KC-bv9kf]

One person messes up in battle, many will die.

[@michaeljames6817]

Stanley Kubrick made another war movie Paths of Glory about WW1 which is also pretty dark. His war movies were strongly anti-war hence why there's no glory in it.

[@evanerys]

Kubrick did two fairly similar movies, separated by several decades. Paths of Glory is about WWI, and it confronts similar themes of extreme dehumanization, albeit in a more conventional, Hollywood sort of way. It's as much a courtroom drama as a war movie, but is widely considered among the finest early Kubrick movies. (I think The Killing is better, but I am in the minority)

[@evanerys]

& yes, he is the one who directed the Shining. I consider 2001 and Dr. Strangelove to be his best, but there are things to like about all of his movies.

[@emilianosintarias7337]

Thanks, I wasn't aware of The Killing. What's your opinion of his abusive methods? Perhaps it's a naive question, because obviously there are plenty of great films made by directors that don't torture the actors. I suppose the issue is, would Kubrick's movies be quite as good as they are if he wasn't such a brutal bastard in the filmmaking process.

[@evanerys]

@@emilianosintarias7337 I think he frequently created a hostile work environment for his actors, particularly the women. I still have a hard time watching The Shining ever since I listened to Shelly Duvall's account of the filming process.

[@КиануДепп]

Brestskaya krepost (2010)

[@aaronrobinson1878]

Your guys talk after the movie was enlightening, some of the things you talked about I'm not sure how informed you are... But I would love to talk to you guys more about your take with the problems happening in the world right now

[@sabrecatsmiladon7380]

PLATOON is also as good. OMG---THINK what R. Lee Ermy would DO if he found ANY WOKENESS in the Military!!!! His head would explode!!!!!!

[@CerebralAptitude]

I went through basic training 1984 and this is before my time era, but it was brutal, but I enjoyed my 8 years as a soldier, no regrets and it made me a good man with memories that I cherish. Regardless of the military branch, this is the most accurate movie of basic training all military personnel agree with. This younger generation has turned basic training to a joke and now the training is extremely soft and the U.S. has a good chance of losing the next ground war because of this soft generation.

[@raypezzoli2517]

People dont realize youre going into a combat situation....DIs are trying to get guys ready because you can be damn sure the enemy doesn't care about your feelings. Pvt Pyle brought a lot of this on himself.....i get not everyone is good at everything, i could accept someone who has 2 left feet, i can get it was harder for him....but i cant accept the jelly donut. Having gone through USMC recruit training, i know they tell you NOT TO BRING CHOW INTO THE BARRACKS!!!! They have their reasons, many of them sanitary but also disciplinary. You just dont do that. He screwed the guys in his platoon and got what was coming to him....

[@cainealexander-mccord2805]

Very much enjoyed your reaction, young people. Young man, you seem to have an uncomfortable grasp on military operations. Yes, Kubrick did The Shining and about a dozen other brilliant movies. "A Clockwork Orange" is nightmare fuel. I could watch "The Shining" every week. (The old one, not that blasphemous remake.)

[@Nomad-vv1gk]

America did not lose the war in Vietnam, the South Vietnamese did. The fall of Saigon happened 30 April 1975, two years AFTER the American military left Vietnam. The last American troops departed in their entirety 29 March 1973. How could we lose a war we had already stopped fighting? We fought to an agreed stalemate. The peace settlement was signed in Paris on 27 January 1973. It called for release of all U.S. prisoners, withdrawal of U.S. forces, limitation of both sides' forces inside South Vietnam and a commitment to peaceful reunification. The 140,000 evacuees in April 1975 during the fall of Saigon consisted almost entirely of civilians and Vietnamese military, not American military running for their lives. The American military was not defeated in Vietnam. The American military did not lose a battle of any consequence. From a military standpoint, it was almost an unprecedented performance. General Westmoreland quoting Douglas Pike (a professor at the University of California, Berkeley), a major military defeat for the VC and NVA. As with much of the Vietnam War, the news media misreported and misinterpreted the 1968 Tet Offensive. It was reported as an overwhelming success for the Communist forces and a decided defeat for the U.S. forces. Nothing could be further from the truth. Despite initial victories by the Communists forces, the Tet Offensive resulted in a major defeat of those forces. General Vo Nguyen Giap, the designer of the Tet Offensive, is considered by some as ranking with Wellington, Grant, Lee and MacArthur as a great commander. Still, militarily, the Tet Offensive was a total defeat of the Communist forces on all fronts. It resulted in the death of some 45,000 NVA troops and the complete, if not total destruction of the Viet Cong elements in South Vietnam. The Organization of the Viet Cong Units in the South never recovered. The Tet Offensive succeeded on only one front and that was the News front and the political arena. This was another example in the Vietnam War of an inaccuracy becoming the perceived truth. However, inaccurately reported, the News Media made the Tet Offensive famous.

[@judgetoogood1033]

We only use real ammo. In training 7.62 mm full metal jacket. The rifles they used were M14 during training. In Vietnam we used M 16 with 7.62 full metal AK 47 were .45 caliber bullets, it had stopping power.

[@frankenstein3526]

This movie shows the machinery of war, and how it turns human beings into cannon fodder. Very powerful… I went through boot camp during the war, and it was just as frightening as shown here. For a factual description of the battle for Hue shown here, try “Hue 1968” by Mark Bowden. For a 1st-person diary-style description of the battle from a civilian’s point of view, please look for the remarkable book “Mourning Headband for Hue” by Nha Ca.

[@AdrianbCozad]

My brother's and brother in law's were in the Marines 68, 69,70's... many of the incidents actually happened in boot camp and in combat.Battle for Hue:

[@judgetoogood1033]

When your brother is down, there is no time to let him die. You have no choice, you have to save your brother, your own life doesn’t matter. That is something you people will never ever learn. SEMPER FIDELIS.

[@johnlefebvre862]

The REAL MARINES. I lived it. Years i felt weird saying i miss this but found out i am not alone with ny fellow vets.

[@tonygumbrell22]

You may be interested in other Kubrick movies treating war: "Paths of Glory" (set in WWI in France one of the best, if not the best ever, war movies) And "Barry Lyndon" (based on a novel by Thackery in turn based on a legendary, picaresque rogue and con man), the war scenes are set during the Seven Years War, a tumultuous bloody conflict during the 18th century involving the main powers of Europe. At that time the British Army came to be modeled on the Prussian Army thought to be the most effective in the world. Prussia was led by a gay martinet Frederick der Grosse. All Kubrick's movies have a common theme, the greatest and/or the most sophisticated human endeavor gone badly wrong, usually through some corruptibility, or mental corruption.

[@woahhbro2906]

My best friend was a squad leader in the US Army 10th Mountain Division and he did multiple tours in Afghanistan and Iraq, and you can tell it heavily affected him. He drinks a lot, and has a very dark humor, and you can tell he has a hard time adjusting to civilian life. He was actually fired from our job for failing a psychological test (we're required to be armed). He's a really great guy though and definitely the life of the party - but you can tell that he's struggling with some demons.

[@T291]

Greetings from Finland!!! Have you guys seen JFK movie by Oliver Stone it's based on the facts that were known to be true about the case by 1991!!! If not I'd like to see your reactions to that one!!! "I'll be back" 😎

[@garyhochstetler7082]

As an American I feel it is my duty to correct you on a few things. The US would curb stomp N Korea with very few casualties. War with N Korea would be nothing like Vietnam war. It’s would be more like the Iraq war. That being a quick and decisive conventional victory. I think the people are different than Iraq so I don’t see the level of counter insurgency that we’ve seen in Iraq. The US was not even close to fighting only Vietnam. China and the Soviet Union was heavily involved in aiding and assisting North Vietnam. The US lost that war because the people of the South didn’t support the government so they didn’t really want to fight. The North was fighting to unite their country so they fought harder. 🤷🏼‍♂️ It’s really that simple. Had the South wanted it as bad as the North the South would have won. (The US could have effectively destroyed North Vietnam at any time had it wanted to. It was a political war and there were heavy restrictions put on the US military. The US simply wanted the North to fck off. The US didn’t want to capture the North.

[@MyLordRock]

US Marine here, One Tenet of the Corps is that Every Marine is Riflemen, No Matter what MOS (Job) you have, Marines are Always Ready to Pick up a Rifle and Fight! Semper Fi.

[@stephenfitts7987]

There were many protests in America that we shouldn’t be involved in this war & U.S. finally withdrew from it. Heavyweight boxing champ Muhammad Ali was drafted & refused to go & went to jail for a couple years over it & lost his title. History prolly describes it as a war we prolly shouldn’t have been involved in & the brutality & lives lost. Todays comparison would prolly be the Russia- Ukraine war

[@paulcurlin2789]

I think the city the Marines are fighting through toward the end is Hue. During the Tet Offensive the Marines fought a bloody battle through the city to retake it.

[@baxtermason6909]

...it's true about suicide in basic training...in '72 we were at the rifle range and all of a sudden one trainee jumped into a fortified position and killed himself with his M16...

[@ciajim]

This is a film about dehumanization. Front to back. Everyone says the first and second halves are incredibly different, and stylistically they are, but the overarching theme of the film is the deliberate destruction of the self. It shows how the Corps considers this disintegration essential when preparing the recruits to take human life. It's no surprise that the first image we see depicts the incoming crop having their heads shaved; the first step on their path to the answer they are meant to discover. After this, they meet their new mentor, who tells them in no uncertain terms that they are "not even human fucking beings." The drill instructor's hilariously vulgar interactions with the recruits are most people's favorite scenes in the film (for good reason), and this is meant to illustrate the purpose of the interactions themselves. His rhetoric can be genuinely enjoyable, but it is also chipping away at their decency, leaving nothing sacred. We see the recruits adopt this rhetoric in the field as a coping mechanism. Pvt. Pyle is doomed from the start. In requiring a flexible approach to teaching, he is already a goner in this rigid and inflexible system. He is left behind and purposely hung out to dry by Hartman. The scenes in Vietnam are meant to show the effects of this programing, the degree to which each soldier accepted it, and ultimately, the futility, chaos, and senselessness of war itself. Pyle never makes it there, Joker and Cowboy retain kernals of their souls, and the heli gunner, Rafterman and Animal Mother represent the Corps' intended final product. In Joker's final monologue, he reflects that while he has lost a part of himself forever, he retains his humanity. "I am in a world of shit, yes. But I'm alive." The platoon marching through a smoking wreck while singing the Mickey Mouse Club theme song may seem like an excercise in comedic juxtaposition, but it can be interpreted as an illustration of the US military as a capitalistic, corporate entity. The anti-capitalist Viet Cong are fighting on their own land for their own freedom against a foreign invader. The Marines are on the opposite side of the globe fighting for Mickey Mouse. It's a film that is often misinterpreted as a glorfication of war, obscenity, and violence (a few too many fans of this movie seem to want to be the heli gunner), but it's actually one of the best anti-war films ever made. It makes full-scale human conflict look absurd, soulless, and stupid. Kubrick makes every death feel emotionally wrencing, yet undeniably pointless. There are no heroes. There are no martyrs. "The dead know one thing. It is better to be alive."

[@darrenhunt9049]

The USA weren't the only foreign force in Vietnam during the war, South Korea furnished troops and also my Country Australia served but seem to be forgotten about. There's a a recently made movie about a certain battle between Australian Soldiers and the NVA called Danger Close if you can get it check it.

[@jimbutler4303]

You should watch baby blues 2008, also known as cradle will fall, very disturbing

[@TimSmith-uc4pk]

I think that Vietnam messed up a lot of ppl in the military 🪖. I think that WWII was the last war when uniformed armies fought. In Vietnam and much like the Middle East you never knew who the enemy was because there were combatants who didn't wear a uniform.

[@rburns9730]

"$15 dollar each" Enlisted men were only paid $80-$100 a month so $15 for a few minutes of fun was kind of steep.

[@Rob-eo5ql]

During the Vietnam war, the US was running low on qualified draftees. To make up the difference secretary of defense Robert McNamera authorized the military to lower physical & mental standards and draft men with a 75 IQ, for example. Private Pyle represents that program. The project was a complete failure, and referred to as Project 100,000, also known as McNamara's 100,000, McNamara's Folly, McNamara's Morons, and McNamara's Misfits. The Vietnam era in America was a crazy time. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000

[@julsarmijo7836]

Us army 2000 had a drill Sgt jump kick a dirt bag had another one throw a Bay fan at another and my boy had to sleep outside for a week in January Georgia because he missed a shower time 😅

[@Rastafaustian]

Based

[@chrisdavis408]

The Vietnam War was a proxy war. The French were there before the u.s. it was supposed to be the u.s. checking communism. And the vets returning home were treated badly to say the least. Especially since many were drafted and had no choice. My uncle was a helicopter pilot there , he will not talk about it. He watched Apocalypse now, and my aunt said he just sat there gripping hard on the seat . It's a Vietnam movie and had a helicopter scene to give context.

[@MikeEwalt]

I know a Viet Nam vet ( army ) his psychiatrist said sending him to Nan was like pouring gas on a fire. Some people just want to watch the world burn..

[@AstroXeno]

Women in the service would have had female drill sergeants And during the Vietnam era, drill instructors were allowed to smack the recruits around like that. They changed it sometime after Vietnam- In the 80s, I think.

[@justin83021]

I love the shirt. I subscribed. I love the logic. And the shirt. The last one I saw was Bobby. I’m about to watch Rambo. Not my first time but I want to see the reaction.

[@SoloArt8250]

I think my reflex would be to hit the Sargent back after the second slap - that was hard to watch! I’m only human guys…

[@TimSmith-uc4pk]

The other services take all the ones who can't make it in the Marine Corps. The Army is a summer camp compared to the Marine Corps. The Corps now has a fifty four hour crucible that you have to pass to graduate from boot camp.

[@tomaguilar4647]

The Vietnam could be described in one word...political. And those that served that war paid the price unfortunately

[@Nighthawk_r33]

I highly recommend casualties of war with Michael J Fox which which is based on a true story on one of the war crimes committed by a unit of American soldiers during Vietnam if you have not already seen it.

[@traceysharpe6330]

The editing here is not good, No context. It's like telling a joke and starting with the punchline. You get money for this. Do Better.

[@bernardh4635]

im sure people in the comments have seen this but i just saw a movie mistake. at minute marker 14:23 on my end. There is a Marine sitting next to a dead Vietnamese soldier. When he says "Hey photographer!", what the actor playing the dead guy next to him. He swallows. lolol anyway just noticed it. enjoy.

[@KathyBoyle-oy8jz]

Great Reaction.. Check out "Hacksaw Ridge" Awesome true story!

[@nicolem376]

Is that documentary available in English or with subtitles? What is the name of it? That was a sobering commentary.