Mk2 Escort restoration GRIEF!! 🙁 . . . . . *MORE rust!!* 🙁

[@richarddinning6901]

When you do KZbin you open the floodgates to armchair experts. The thing i love about your channel is what you see is what you get. Keep being Marcus Hayes.

[@fredjames9867]

It's the endless bodging. .he's been doing car's for years

[@marcushayesford]

The armchair experts don't bother me mate. Im sure these old banger Fords were bodged waaaay worse than my methods back in the day when they were only worth £50 for a whole car. The fact is even 'Esther' had a few corners cut during her build and she's still looking mint 12 years after she was painted. There's more than one way to skin a Cat and you cant see the rear panel from the drivers seat anyway! 😃

[@marcushayesford]

@@fredjames9867 Certified Bodger! 😀

[@peterepeat7066]

There's Noooo way in hell they were bodged factory as bad as ur bodge 🤣🤣🤣

[@marcushayesford]

@@peterepeat7066 I didn’t say they were mate. 🤔

[@jamesduke4957]

In the early 80s my friends mom had a 1976 1.6GL auto . It was silver , still in mint condition back then . I always thought it was such a nice car

[@paulloudbbk]

That rot looks reasonably minor. The good old game of how far do you go 😂 mission creep , time and money. My mate was trying to go all out on a hillman and ended weighting it in after 7 years because he lost interest and there wasn't a massive amount of the original car left 😂

[@pauldixon3384]

Everyone has to start somewhere Marcus you just keep doing what you love doing you’ll get there in the end m8

[@martinbennett9028]

Top work Marcus keep them videos coming 👍👍

[@marcushayesford]

Thanks for the positivity mate! 👍

[@DavidCarrington-jr7ur]

Keep up the good work Marcus your doing great 👍👍👍👍

[@marcushayesford]

Thanks for the positivity mate! 👍

[@-DC-]

A rusty Ford I'd have never have believed it hahaha, Your Car Your Money Your Choice its easy to criticise but you can only work with what you have 👍

[@redstoppem1821]

You start to realize with these older cars how much of a godsent plastic bumpers have been hahaha

[@HT100e]

Keep up the work marcus keep doing what u do i love the fact u dont hide anything u make it obvious when there is something wrong and u admitted when u make a mistake got so much respect for u 🤜🤛

[@RogerLyons-v2d]

If it was me cut the rust out I know it might set you back take it as lesson learned do it right and it will last for years great video again love watching

[@neilgparsons5991]

We have all been there in the past. Nothing wrong with it provided prep is done to a good standard.

[@marcushayesford]

Exactly mate! 👍 EVERY Escort on the road back in the day was full of filler!! . . . . . Most of them still are but they don't broadcast it on KZbin! 😃

[@joshuamikkelsen5239]

Good work Marcus . Keep it up. Bog over primer though or you will get surface rust coming back through. Trust me I know . Escort life

[@markwestmoreland912]

All ways good to watch your videos mate doing a grand job on all 3 of the escorts you should be proud. Due to not having a fancy workshop etc well done

[@marcushayesford]

Thanks for the positivity mate! 👍

[@neill4133]

Keep up the good work Marcus, great content!

[@larryz4087]

For the areas you cannot get to the back of, you can drill a small hole put a self tapping screw and pull out the dent. Also the repair that creaks as you press it sound like there is rust behind it and would recommend to remove the patch and see what lurks behind

[@marcushayesford]

Thanks for the advice mate! 👍

[@corty1980]

Marcus Hayes, I can feel your pain as I'am currently doing a mk3 cortina and currently working on the engine bay which is taking forever to do. I had to patch a hole near the battery tray, and what a pain that was as the metal was pitted in that area and kept blowing holes. I have had to remove the top scuttle panel due to the corners being bad, drivers side had a small hole and someone just filled it up, and similar with the passengers side. Luckily the lower scuttle panel and the area that the heater box and firewall were all clean. Just a suggestion, if trying to weld up and are with a hole or a gap to help avoid blowing holes make yourself a welding spoon and put it behind the panel to bridge the gap. I got some copper pipe and flattened it out to make one, it's a great help.

[@vaughanmcmillan1815]

Fair play for having a go yourself at the bodywork! I'd certainly look into getting the rust repairs done to a decent standard but you'll be saving a few quid by doing as much yourself Keep at it 😎

[@marcushayesford]

Iv had a fair bit of experience over the years with the stripping side of things (and Iv done plenty of filler bodges! 😜) It certainly cuts the paint job cost down LOADS. 👍

[@mycarprobs6688]

Abracs twist knot wheel brush for the grinder is very good for taking the paint off the body panels. The bevelled conical version is the ideal one to use , not the cup brush version. Toolstation or Screwfix locally sell them. Works a lot better than the wire wheel for the drill The flap disc is a bit too aggressive for going over the whole panel , the panels can get too hot and can warp with the flap disc over the whole panel. You should ideally only use the flap disc on the rust areas and for removing the bodyfiller.

[@jonathonmills2584]

Hi Marcus just watching your latest body work video mate use a guide coat that will highlight you low points and high point mate without a guide coat it’s a lot harder to see what and where it needs filling and flatting

[@iannorton4463]

20:50....💯% you have to put a new rear valance on it mate. Its £50ish ok,,but you'll regret it later on fella ✌️👍🇬🇧

[@marcushayesford]

Thanks for the advice mate! 👍

[@RetroRebuild]

Cool stuff! Unless its structural fill it, bodge it whatever just get it back on the road, a lot of people dont realise a youtube channel is about keeping the audience engaged aswell and that means moving quickly and not just focusing on one thing for too long, most people wont tune in to watch someone grinding down welds for multiple videos, i mean i would, but im odd 😆 keep up the good work mate 🤘

[@R6AAO]

Pay a welder to do the welding. You'll burn straight through a car panel if you're not trained and make bigger holes than you started with. Thin metal is a pain to weld.

[@t238]

Absolutely immense effort! Theres a Bodge way to do it water tight if u cant be arsed to weld - just get a bit of metal and some Ferrari body panel bond , trust me it will go rock hard but obv you cant sand it down , maybe patch it from behind then filler on top...

[@marcushayesford]

Thanks for the positivity and the advice mate! 👍

[@julienlonfat4359]

Nice project

[@marcushayesford]

Thanks mate! 👍

[@Ken_in_the_highlands]

A thought for the hole in the rear panel….. open it up a little more and install a fog light?

[@dmdays2390]

Fibreglass resins, or is a cold weld a better alternative for minor repairs I also thought lead loading over the rear quarter panel existing welds could be a beneficial opportunity

[@rjauto7215]

marcus you remind me of my younger brother mate love abit of feller lol .good luck with it mate

[@marcushayesford]

Thanks mate! 👍

[@AdeyThatCapriGuy]

Honestly, Heidi really isn't that bad! The main hole could do with welding, but if you aren't able to then just fill it with fibreglass. These guys are over thinking it. Yeah in an ideal world it would be immaculate, but guys like us are about getting them on the road and having fun with them. What's the point in doing it to such a high standard you're too scared to use it and hide it away in a garage??? Have fun with it mate, do it your way.

[@pedenconceptz]

Another point. You will find the filler easier to rub if, you sand it just before it fully cures. Basically you wait until it’s just hard enough to sand but not tear. It will clog the first piece of sanding paper you use, so use an old piece first to take the tacky skin off (or cheap paper). But if you buy a roll of mirka hoimant, it’s like £30 for 50 metres, and I cut it in half, so I get 100metres. You can cut long lengths for long long sanding blocks. It’s not the best paper but it’s cheap 80 or 120 grit so you can use as much as you need to cut through it fast.

[@SB-vb8ch]

Problem is that when you have a panel which is peppered with holes like your back panel it's rotted from the inside out so it's essentially tin foil. It wants a back panel on it.

[@MartinE1798]

Omg the anxiety…. I might have a stroke watching these videos!😂😂lol

[@marcushayesford]

😃

[@slimshady6718]

I think I would buy a replacement back panel , not being funny but it’s more time consuming to bodge it when u could drill out a few spot welds and weld in a new panel easier than welding small patches and filling them , the arches can be repaired with some small repair sections

[@marcushayesford]

Thanks for the advice mate! 👍

[@iangrinsell3687]

Fibreglass filler it and get it on the road mate or you be doing it like everyone else with there 40 year project and to scared to drive them 😁 no trailer queen round here 👍🏼 keep doing the good work mate

[@corty1980]

Marcus Hayes, altough there is debate on which way to use filler some say it's ok to go over bare metal whereas others say put primer then filler. I personally think it makes more sense to go the primer then the filler. Not sure if that fibreglass filler allows it but if it was me I would have gone the primer then the fibreglass, sand back and coat again with primer. As for using fibreglass filler to fix holes, don't do it they will end up coming back. I did this on a cortina I owned. Cut out the arch section and put in a new one. Do the job right and it will last a long time, I know that it may take a long time but well worth it.

[@skol6384]

Your car,your budget,your way mate...just remember no rush no pressure........

[@bobuncle8704]

It might all take a while, but it’ll be well worth it in the long run. I like rust converters myself, and I’ve had good success when I used a produce called Ospho. Where you’ve lots of cheese, would you ever get fabbed panels(from MST for example) so you only have to make one larger repair, rather than multiple little patches? Enjoying the content Marcus. Keep up the good work. Cheers

[@marcushayesford]

Im defo thinking that if Ido decide to weld it, I should at least put the lower rear valance in as a whole-ish panel rather than just cutting it to the shape of the cheesey bit. 👍

[@pedenconceptz]

If you have a welder you may as well use it. Waste of time having it otherwise. Put the whole bottom 1/2 panel on for all the money of it, if your not confident with the welding, overlap it 5mm and put a series of tacks on it, and some plug welds. not ideal but better than bog. and repaint the inside back panel. Overall it will be quicker. And do yourself a favour, if you’re not experienced with bodywork, upol ‘fantastic’ is very easy to rub. Fill the entire panel and block it off with a long block or I use a 2”x1/2” strip of wood maybe 20” long. (Spray glue strips of paper to it) . When it’s nearly there, a skim of dolphin glaze over the entire panel, it’s is mega easy to rub, you’d cut it back with 120. Filling patches on panels just takes longer. Fill it all and the long hard block will find the dents for you.

[@pedenconceptz]

And remember that you are doing this partly for yourself and partly for KZbin, people want to see new things all the time, so whether it works out well or not, try the new thing, get the welder fired up.

[@marcushayesford]

Thanks for the advice! 👍

[@tbdogfosters]

its your car mate do it the way that suits you. me personally if you can id cut out the rust and re do it. 👍

[@malcolmmacdougall]

22:33 extreme rear left wing, you've got a lot of work to do there all over because you can see the faults even after you've primered it.... this part is a b****** for sure..... if you want see dents easily..... lightly spray it gloss black and see what it looks like... i don't envy you because my Jazz was a nightmare to do last year, it cost more to repair and get it sprayed than to buy a new door which i ended up doing.

[@waynehardwick3100]

Easier putting a complete rear panel on you Oll have to drill the spot welds and spot weld back on😉

[@clintonepps3666]

Cut and weld every rust repair do it properly and preferbly tig weld it as the pillar repairs have warped the top of the quarter panel you need to do her right and keep the filler to less than 2mm thick

[@ewantodd]

Ye. What the other guys said. Put a new back valance on it. You’re doing fine pal

[@502days]

Mate it really isnt bad enough to warrant it to cut an weld it yes welding is the right way but you will need to go over it again inside the boot an anyway its a learning curve for you its fine mate just treat it with cure rust is a definite because that stuff is good stuff and works

[@more.power.]

Ideal if you can cut the rust out but you don't have the shed of equipment to do that sort of repair.

[@N22CHT]

Get that welder out and go for it, nothing like a crash course. I surprised myself when I did my old VW T4.

[@marcushayesford]

I remember when I welded 'Maude' up years ago to get her on the road I defo surprised myself how much I got better and better with each section I did. 👍

[@truckman4175]

Throw a full rear panel in Marcus will sort light surround and it won’t com through in 12 month and I bet when you remove it you will find rot behind that needs sorting

[@marcushayesford]

I defo don't think I'm in a position to fit a full rear panel although I accept that would be the best way to do it. 👍

[@trevw3950]

Speed holes😊

[@nick1012ish]

if i was you mate i would redo the rear panel as filler will just breed more rust and with in 12 to 18 months its going to show and be worse. i would not worry about having to repaint in the boot you have gone this far with it so give it your best buddy

[@marcushayesford]

Appreciate your input mate. 👍

[@nick1012ish]

@@marcushayesford no problem mate like i say you have put all that work into it what's a bit more. if you feel like your not good with a welder get an old bit of metal and practice. is it a mig or arch if its mig you will soon get the hang of it. i really want to do up an old ford but cant find them cheep enough any more. and i don't work cos of ill health.

[@timpeat286]

Good progress mate , how do you like the poly strip wheels ? Thanks for the shout out 👍🏻👍🏻 you do what you want to Heidi pal I know times are hard and if rust comes through you can get it repaired properly in time with a welder great work

[@marcushayesford]

The poly strip wheels do a great job mate. They defo work quicker than the ones on a drill but they wear out quick. . . . . . .Thats a great point, the rear panel could always be replaced later on. Iv bodged similar bits in 'Maude's rear panel (waaay bigger and worse than Heidi's little holes! 😃) with fibreglass and its lasted years! Even with Matte paint on top which doesn't keep the moisture out at all! 😃

[@neverbeen2]

it's what escorts do :( we all suffer it together :)

[@stuartmiller8927]

You’ve got a bloody welder so use it and stop filling everything 🤣🤣🤣

[@marcushayesford]

😃

[@craigladewig3158]

Buy those strip discs of Alliexpress, much cheaper. I used 13 of them to bare metal my mk1 Panelvan

[@marcushayesford]

Thanks for the recommendation mate! 👍

[@fredjames9867]

You need a tack weld puller

[@marcushayesford]

Defo need to see if my good friend Rob has got a puller to improve those quarter panels. 👍

[@christianpople6131]

Stop bodgin it, cut the rust out replace the panels, rust will be back in no time, do it properly once

[@Benharcombe]

No truer words it’s gona be twice the effort going back over it

[@marcushayesford]

I appreciate your input but it was always just supposed to be a tidy-ish road car, not a perfect show piece. The reality is that I simply can't afford to complete the project 100% 'correctly' and I have to draw the line somewhere. 👍

[@christianpople6131]

Simply take longer to do it, then it’s done for 20 yrs+ buy a welder n learn, your basically doing what you’ve just ground out,

[@fredjames9867]

Bodging it will filler is really poor when you spending 2k for a pair job

[@seanedwards2010]

Do it properly, don’t cock it up , you will regret it later when you have to do it again

[@George-pp1ph]

Where’s the wire brush for cleaning the scratches

[@stu2427]

Hope u good on the old filler

[@marcushayesford]

Iv had a fair bit of experience with the filler mate! 😃 #certifiedbodger

[@stu2427]

@@marcushayesford 🙏

[@fatbob6729]

Donit right or do it twice.😂

[@robs_rc_cars]

Marcus I did say many videos ago stop rushing it.. in my opinion this project is like something from temu at min.. need slow down and do it properly.. the engine bay and boot door shuts etc shouldn't of been painted yet. The interior and engine should be no where near the car yet. The body needs panel beating. Welding etc .. I understand ur on a budget but sometimes it's best do it once instead of twice.

[@marcushayesford]

If I didn’t tackle the project this way I would have never started. If I didn’t tackle ‘Esther’ in a similar way I would have never started that project either. NOBODY would be able to build an Escort ‘properly’ with the funds and equipment I have at my disposal. 👍

[@robs_rc_cars]

@@marcushayesford yeah I understand funds are tight . But cutting corners sometimes bites u in the ass. Don't get me wrong I absolutely love your content have for a very long time. Just a bit of advice. Can't wait see Heidi fully restored one day soon. Anyways keep bringing the awesome content and I'll sit back and enjoy 👌💯🙌

[@marcushayesford]

@@robs_rc_cars I appreciate the advice mate. Funds are low but money doesn’t really bother me (that’s how I’ve been able to continue with this lifestyle for so long) Realistically I always knew I’d end up having to sell ‘Maude’ to finish ‘Heidi’ anyway. I’m considering selling up completely to be honest. Or just scrap all 3 and see if I’d be allowed to film the cars getting crushed. Would probably get good views for a finale video! 😀

[@robs_rc_cars]

@@marcushayesford Marcus now that's just being very negative bro. Esther is a belter of a car and is absolutely f@#kin beautiful . Maude looks well too but obviously needs welding up.. I'd continue Heidi get her fully built up. Maude I'd leave in garage when mot runs out and consider options. Esther well I'd try get a cheap bottom end rebuild or possibly go st220 but it's funds again.. please for the love of money don't get rid of Esther 🙏💯👌🙌

[@marcushayesford]

Luckily my cars are MOT exempt so I’m still able to drive ‘Maude’ to the other garage. I love my cars but there are more important things in life. 👍

[@Brunocat962]

If your struggling for money mate set up a go fund me,I’d be more than happy to chip in for you as I’m sure others would help too. Be a shame to bodge it at the last hurdle. Keep up the good work mate

[@marcushayesford]

Thanks mate but that’s not my style. Realistically if I can only make the project work with hand outs (or by bodging) then it means it’s time to throw in the towel. 👍

[@roberts773]

You need to get a DA sander 😷

[@marcushayesford]

Another one??? 🤔

[@steven907]

Do it once marcus do it right mate 👍

[@marcushayesford]

In an ideal world I'd do everything 'right' but in reality I simply don't have the funds or the talent to do that. 👍

[@michaelcopse2013]

Hi mate replace the rear panel it would be for the best and if there is anyone out there please help Marcus with the welding that he needs doing being has he's doing this on a budget and trying to keep a old ford on the road...Mike 😢😢😢.....

[@marcushayesford]

Im in a fortunate position where I have already been offered help with the welding. However, I doubt I'll realistically be able to finish the project so maybe it's time to sell it on to someone with more time/funds. 🤔

[@lyndonwebber1389]

No better time to learn to weld than now .

[@marcushayesford]

Id defo need to practice with some scrap metal. It's been years since I welded 'Maude' up to get her on the road. The more recent job I did on 'Esther's gearbox tunnel was a disaster! 😃

[@lyndonwebber1389]

@@marcushayesford the welder you using isn’t the best ,I weld every day ,my friend bought one of them I struggled with it .

[@marcushayesford]

@@lyndonwebber1389 That welder Rob lent me was a nightmare to use. Hopefully the new one I have will be better. 👍

[@lyndonwebber1389]

@@marcushayesford my buddy bought same one you had for Christmas, gas and gas less synergy settings , I found it hard work .hitbox was it ?

[@marcushayesford]

@@lyndonwebber1389 yeh that’s the one mate. 👍

[@craigladewig3158]

Epoxy bare metal and then filler over the epoxy, else rust going to form under filler

[@marcushayesford]

Thanks for the advice mate! 👍 I was always lead to believe than fibreglass filler should be used on bare metal. I would defo use rust converter before the fibreglass filler tho. 👍👍

[@hoggmotorsport]

​@@marcushayesford defo filler onto bare metal mate 👍

[@pedenconceptz]

The tech data sheet will tell you that either fibreglass or filer is fine over steel, you just don’t want to let it get damp or leave it too long to absorb moisture. That’s why some recommended epoxy first, to seal the steel off. but really it just gives you a longer time window to do your work.

[@hoggmotorsport]

@@pedenconceptz agreed on the point of not allowing the filler to get damp, as you've said it does absorb moisture.. If applying filler over the top of epoxy it does need to be well keyed for the mechanical bond... But ideally it should be straight onto bare metal.. The problem with the filler absorbing damp is once it's painted the damp is trapped, then causing micro blisters in the paint as it tries to escape, or then starts corrosion between the metal panel and filler.. Possibly what the original post refers to 🤔 I cringe when watching other channels wet flat filler with a quick wipe down, primed and painted! 😮🙈👍

[@st220saloonrestorations]

With all the time you’ve spending doing this car don’t!! Cut corners do it once and properly MH

[@maverick4177]

If you are going to bodge it at least let someone who knows how to bodge it properly loose on it 😂

[@marcushayesford]

I'm a master bodger mate! 😃

[@brookieant]

Marcus don't Bodge it do it properly it's a mk2 escort & they keep going up in price think long term 👌🏽👍🏾

[@marcushayesford]

Prices seem low at the moment to be honest. 👍

[@astonrichardson4309]

Fill it all buddy, save your cash for the painting

[@marcushayesford]

Its defo still an option! 👍

[@christianpople6131]

@@marcushayesford give the painter a shite name tho !!