MK7 TDI with Hybrid CR190 Turbo upgrade hits the dyno

Diesel turbo upgrades are not as common around here so we decided to share. MK7 TDI CR150 gets upgraded to a Xman Turbo Hybrid CR190. We also do a downpipe kit as well on this vehicle. Tuned With Malone Stage 3 software.
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[@GearGuy2001]

Thanks for the TDI content! I have a CR170 swapped MK6 TDI Jetta and on the MK7 people steered away from the CR190 turbo as I do believe people had boost creep issues. The TDI gets some looks and I even had a bit of fun with a S6 V10 Avant on the highway, he was surprised although got ahead haha

[@lossangrados4268]

I had my audi a3 2.0tdi tuned, and made 190 HP and 430nm of torque only with Software. Cant wait for Turbo and intercooler upgrade

[@vinkofilipovic3412]

Bout to comment the same thing, stock turbo and everything, what turbo will you be doing, i know im 2 years late to the video but if you see it, tell me pls haha, im planning to put turbo from c class 270cdi and some other stuff, apparently should make around 300-350 hp

[@lossangrados4268]

@@vinkofilipovic3412 cant say more, i got New car shortly after writing the comment. Hitting the Road with bmw 6 cyl now..

[@vinkofilipovic3412]

@@lossangrados4268 aaaah, bummer😕

[@lossangrados4268]

@@vinkofilipovic3412 at least it's a M3 Touring, so not the common boomer car i guess 🤣

[@slodsl]

It's cool to see a tdi on the channel. I actually have several TDIs and a 335d and mess around with tuning the TDIs. They'll never be fast without dumping way too much money into them but they're fun daily drivers.

[@WilliamStewart1]

I agree, you're pissing into the wind more less with diesels and trying to go fast but if you mess around a little bit with them the torque wave is fun and makes for en enjoyable/efficient daily driver.

[@IzzyWhiskers]

As long as your zipping around town, 300ft/lbs of torque is plenty of fun.

[@javierissac2792]

instablaster.

[@piovo1]

Here in uk 330ds are super cheap and around £1500 in mods you’ll see 400bhp and 800nm torque for around £3000-4000

[@marcochavanne]

I have the same setup in my 15 Passat. Even with stock fuel pump it rips in 1-3rd but my Darkside clutch rated at 380ft-lbs slips in 4th-6th .

[@COMotorsports]

Time for another upgrade.

[@ThenameisOskar]

Is it also a CR150? Do you remember what turbo was on it? I wonder if they are the same as the Passats we have in the Europe.

[@marcochavanne]

@@ThenameisOskar I believe it was a CVCA last time I was messing about with the manual. Believe it ks a CR190 turbo with a larger impeller. Had to up the tire size because first is basically useless and it was breaking loose all the time under WOT.

[@ThenameisOskar]

@@marcochavanne CVCA is a CR150. Did it have a Bm70b turbo? Your own Passat is also a CR150 right? Did you only install the GTD1449vz (1456)? What power figures did you reach?

[@crajjgcorjan4119]

Had a 2004 tdi sport Malone tune, Malone turbo way too much money into it but such an amazing highway cruiser and fun daily.

[@shreeshaipod]

Nifty setup for the tach signal... I was going to say "why not just clamp the #1 coilpack wire" but then I realized lol

[@COMotorsports]

I wish. :)

[@bryanhallman8183]

@@COMotorsports Is there a way to tap the signal that goes to the gauge cluster?

[@COMotorsports]

@@bryanhallman8183 no, but our new dyno stack that we just installed a couple days ago make it much easier for diesels. We can pull data through OBD2 port on newer cars and on mk4 stuff we can calibrate the dyno to the car to be able to get rpm that way.

[@bryanhallman8183]

@@COMotorsports Sweet! Now, can you move your entire operation to Arizona to make it easier on me? 😛 Seriously, though, I've loved the newer TDI's since the Mk 5 generation, and am currently looking for financing to buy a Mk 7 Golf TDI just like the one the video. It's got typical diesel mileage, so if I have to rebuild something, anyway, why not look into modifying it?

[@COMotorsports]

@@bryanhallman8183 look at a mk7 1.8t. With just a tune they make more power.

[@jacobkrajnik1377]

YES TDI CONTENT

[@killfire08]

Hey CO Motersports. The engine coolant temps are best brought up to temp by driving it. I let mine heat up for 2 hours in 10 degree weather, and it never warmed up. Slave cyl failed and the only way to get it working was to warm up the car 🤷 idk why that worked. Best to drive it for 5 min, temps will go right up. As for power the numbers make sense to me. So 🤷 idk what other people say its so low for. Apparentl the 2 best upgrades would be a cp3 HPFP (as cp4s tend to blow up), and a tune. This would probably net the same ish hp/tq as it has more fueling. Then you can throw on a turbo. Kerma has alot of experience if you were looking to get in the tdi game. Darkside development too. Id love to see what this mk7 would do with a cp3 fuel pump as well. You could use this as a baseline test to see what the pump added. 🤪

[@COMotorsports]

Appreciate the feedback, we tune TDI's regularly with Malone, and have for many years. There's just not a large market for turbo upgrades on TDI's in our market/region. It's an expensive endeavor for the power you can get. Heck a stage 1 MK7 1.8t makes this sort of power and torque at a 5th of the cost.

[@NyksWyldMynd]

I got a full stock mk6 tdi if you ever need to get a baseline lol

[@aaronforrester71]

Malone tuned a cr190 on a ckra (vw Passat tdi) and they made 354wftlbs with stock everything

[@charlesbailey2455]

I believe the passats have a different head so the can push a little more power

[@aaronforrester71]

@Braden H xman makes a 14/56 that almost a bolt on

[@TheBolzic]

I know its been a minute, but have the same cr150 with malone tuned ecu/dsg and cr190 1449vz from gottuned (comparable to xman's, 'cept mine's 7+7 and trimmed flukes). getting surging over 110mph with having to go to a 4 bar MAP sensor via darkside. S&B intake to turbine, straight rawtek 3" to 2.5" afe straight. Not a fan of potential backpressure with Magnaflow's petrol 3" system and MF won't make a straight 3". with 255/35/18 on stock wheels it wouldn't surge til 135 but 255/45/18 has it at 110-112. cannot find a 3" straight cat/axel-bac anywhere, had Bank's on my MKVI jetta - so surging is something new. Passat, so didn't know if the 2.5" only keeps constant pressure til upper hwy passing. Any ideas anybody? Cannot find larger turbo discharge pipes that lead to intercooler/ leave it. Scratching my head

[@toolittlety]

Did you ever fix that surge? About to get all my parts installed I’m going with a gtd1456 and Malone tune. I’ve gotten it to its top speed and that’s what it is 135 or 136 whatever the turbo has. It’s not the most important on my list but I’m hoping to have at least the same top speed lol or more

[@DirtyDanRacimg]

322wtq lol that must be a tire shredder!!

[@adamant262]

You should be describing what your doing and what that does when you have to do something under the hood

[@COMotorsports]

We're focusing on the clients car, not the YT's. :)

[@Z3M-CSL]

I’ve been running this turbo on my manual mk7 tdi since May 2019. I’m still slightly slower than a mk7 gti from a roll in the streets. The hwy I get pulled on steadily. From a dig is a different story. I haven’t lost to one stock yet unless I have a bad launch and hesitates. Still gets great mpg and surprises a lot of cars. It’s a great daily and fun even though it’s my slowest car.

[@Z3M-CSL]

Also compared to my stock turbo tuned it’s faster on the highway noticeably. On the streets it feels pretty similar. Spools similar too, really no lag.

[@michaelrapso7986]

@@Z3M-CSL I’ve got a mk6 tdi and want to go stage 2. How much did it cost u to do those upgrades

[@Z3M-CSL]

The turbo was like $1100. I’m a manual so had to upgrade my clutch which was about $1200. I still have stock exhaust and dpf.

[@lassestergaard2019]

@@Z3M-CSL What turbo are you running? And what else mods have you done? And how many hp/torque?

[@weldingbro]

Curious two quick questions. What tuning are you running or not running lol and second with the bigger turbo did the fuel economy increase?

[@TokyoCollins]

hahah sparkplug joke is a gooder boiz! can you be sure its on regular pump diesel and not shell vpower diesel? haha 10 kids and smokes! i miss seeing the orange car, i remember i think it was 07? at speedsport having a realll good look at the car and noted in my brain that the paint on daves little ol orange VW was better then the paint on any of the top tuner castrol cars in the booth beside it. (there were runs all over those cars in non important areas, but the VW was just all around minty as F)

[@saggykneecaps0945]

This post is really old but it’s so hard to find content of tdi’s if u have any recommendations for a upgraded turbo for my mk6 tdi 2.0 please hit me with a reply.

[@COMotorsports]

Really old? Lol it was 6 months ago. You must be young if you think 6 months is a long time. 😉

[@nickr2756]

@@COMotorsports lol I had to check the upload date myself, I remember coming back to videos on youtube I watched like 7 years ago 😂 that’s old

[@annepayton139]

Modern tdi's need expert knowledge to gain good hp in tuning

[@amine.e4401]

Thank you for the video I also have mk7 TDi 2015 I’m thinking about the CR190 , did you upgrade the injectors and the high pressure fuel pump ?

[@COMotorsports]

No

[@REALBanannaman]

What had to be adjusted on the actuator?

[@ericmartinez5633]

the travel did you watch the video?

[@slparallax2357]

is it better money wise and power wise to buy a new turbo for diesel car or just do stage 2 tune with obviously cold air intake and such

[@COMotorsports]

All comes down to what you want and your budget.

[@jerryb2332]

I’m always fighting my optical sensor. Nice spot though bud. I haven’t tried that location on a VW before. Then again it’s not often I get a TDI in.

[@COMotorsports]

We never do them either. The new dynojet hardware removes the need for this, but that upgrade isn't in the cards at this time.

[@jerryb2332]

@@COMotorsports Trust me I understand. Out of curiosity did the electro magnet stay in place under load on the first try or did it fight you some? I tend to have issues on euros finding a good enough ferrous spot.

[@COMotorsports]

@@jerryb2332 had zero problems with it like that.

[@jerryb2332]

@@COMotorsports learn something new everyday. I’ll be trying that out for sure. Great videos bud. Thanks for the tip lol.

[@COMotorsports]

@@jerryb2332 glad to help. 👍

[@bradleydubois8616]

I have a 2015 150bhp model, got a 184 Hyrbid for it. Had it professionally tuned but it goes into limp mode with underboost, would the actuator need adjusted ?

[@COMotorsports]

Written with your calibrator, diagnos as normal.

[@g60gerry]

Hey, so to you knowledge, what do you anticipate to cause the boost creep??

[@COMotorsports]

Can be numerous things exhaust, turbo efficiency, tune, actuator settings..etc

[@craizygolf1980]

I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE VIDEO TO ASK THIS, BUT CAN I PUT AN (IS38) TURBO ON A MK4 OR MK5 1.8T OR 2.0T GTI ?

[@COMotorsports]

No

[@joebloggs4191]

Is this a 1.6 or 2.0 TDI? what was the BHP figure before the tune?

[@COMotorsports]

Unfortunately didn't get to dyno it before.

[@joshuaturner1625]

Did y’all figure out the boost creep issue?

[@COMotorsports]

Primarily hybrid turbo problems.

[@johnmoser2689]

What is the boost creep issue?

[@RiDAH_72]

Apparently it builds more turbo boost than it's tuned for... Exp u tune for 15lb and get 20lbs.

[@ericmartinez5633]

@@RiDAH_72 which means higher egts thats its not supposed to have.

[@UpToSpeedOnJaguar]

gotta drive a diesel lightly to warm it up on cold starts. It's counter intuitive coming from gas cars. Idling a diesel for long periods on cold starts is actually pretty bad for them. Give it 30 seconds to a minute to get the oil fully flowing, and start driving lightly for 15 minutes to get it warm.

[@COMotorsports]

Yes, we do the same in the dyno.

[@ThenameisOskar]

These figures must be on the wheels right? How much is it on the crank? For the EU people. My CR150 TDI is running at 206hp and 337lbs torque at the crank.

[@COMotorsports]

To the wheels yes.

[@tanerozbugutu889]

So you use a 1449 or 1549 new Turbo or did you take a overwork Hybrit Turbo ?

[@COMotorsports]

Should be in description.

[@snoopdaclown]

Is the torsion bar on the mk7 the same as the mk7 jetta?

[@COMotorsports]

No clue sorry

[@hlm_shyaa2330]

Got any recommendations for tdi vw ,air intakes

[@Revival_automotive44]

Kerma tdi

[@rdsmith308]

S&B

[@jakobpind]

Hi. 190ish hp - isn’t that kinda low? I’ve got 200hp on the stock turbo in my 2016 seat Leon 2,0tdi 150. With a hybrid turbo + Dow pipe my tuner says it will be able to reach around 245hp.

[@COMotorsports]

So you've dynoed your car at 200whp?

[@cheesetoucher5941]

@@COMotorsports you don't mess with TDI's much right? To be honest it does seem kinda low for a CVCA motor with an upgraded turbo (considering a CJAA with a tune and delete OR an ALH with turbo/injectors/tune will make almost the same numbers) EA288 is a technical wonder compared to those first gen CRs...

[@jakobpind]

@@COMotorsports not mine, but it’s relatively common that the 2,0tdi150 makes around 200hp with a software only.

[@jakobpind]

Give me an email address and I’ll mail you some dyno results. Always around 190-200 hp

[@COMotorsports]

@@jakobpind are you running NA diesel fuel? I expect not, there is a difference. 190-200whp is pretty common for this setup here.

[@Mrn951951]

How much for turbo upgrade on 15 TDI?

[@COMotorsports]

Depends on turbo, existing mods, labor rates in your area etc.

[@Retro.Nostalgia]

who tf disliked this? IDENTIFY YOURSELF lol

[@COMotorsports]

lol Or any of them for that matter. :)

[@beefysghost867]

What you think better a gtx3071 or 3076 for 1.8t

[@COMotorsports]

Depends on the car and what it's being used for.

[@beefysghost867]

@@COMotorsports mainly street, some track. Wisco 81mm pistons, eagle rods. Fluid dampr, supertech valve train, cat cams 3658, 1000cc injectors and e85

[@COMotorsports]

@@beefysghost867 I switch it injectors and shoot for 5-600whp with that setup.

[@beefysghost867]

@@COMotorsports what size would you go with

[@COMotorsports]

@@beefysghost867 AWD gtx3071, FWD GTX3076

[@weldingbro]

Do you have a parts list?

[@COMotorsports]

CR190, DPF kit and software

[@weldingbro]

@@COMotorsports Thank You!

[@techncraig3713]

Is this a 1.6 tdi?

[@COMotorsports]

It is not.

[@jaredriley1326]

It doesn’t sound like it has a down pipe or exhaust kit??? I only have a stage 1+ and I have a full Rawtek downpipe/exhaust and my car rips and rolls way more coal and is definitely louder than that? I’m confused you said you had a downpipe and exhaust? That’s why your not getting much power if so, open her up an let her roar!!!!

[@COMotorsports]

It has a complete downpipe kit. Also rolling coal doesn't mean hp.

[@jaredriley1326]

@@COMotorsports It just don’t sound like it has a downpipe at all?

[@jaredriley1326]

@@COMotorsports And if there is some sort of resonator or muffled exhaust you should just open it up fully, especially if you’ve already committed to buying an exhaust/downpipe for it, it won’t pass emissions like that so why not open it all the way up, your restricting it’s airflow and full potential by not!

[@COMotorsports]

@@jaredriley1326 All open and free up front, stock catback exhaust.

[@jaredriley1326]

@@COMotorsports Oh okay, that kinda makes sense! So did your kit not come with cat back tips/mufflers or did you just decide to keep it quiet and keep stock cat back?

[@jairomoreno5270]

My mk7 tdi is completely stock 😭

[@COMotorsports]

Tune it, stat.

[@sweis12]

Hit up mr malone and pick up some torque !

[@COMotorsports]

@@sweis12 Malone is what we used to tune this.

[@sweis12]

@@COMotorsports yeah I know. I was telling Jairo here to .

[@BrodeyDoverosx]

It isn’t 93? ;-)

[@COMotorsports]

Not even 91!

[@SuperHbkforever]

28 octane ;P

[@buddysshop1860]

Hahaha

[@RonaldJeremy69]

dirty gloves in the whipppp commmonnnnnnn but i got a mk7 tdi full delete stage two boutta do this same turbo upgrade

[@COMotorsports]

Cleaner then my hands. ;)

[@RonaldJeremy69]

@@COMotorsports haha hate when that happens

[@napraznicul]

CR 190bhp turbo is A GARBAGE which does not deserve to be modified, is very small on hot side (exducer) and makes only damage to engine when runs a bigger compressor wheel, imagine you have a hypo mouth and a rabbit ass 😂😂 There are many many better options, but adaptations are needed. Most headaches will come only because that SSSSTUPID turbo position, even if you woul upgrade with engine pull out of the car, because when time to put it back will come... issues will appear.

[@BlondynCh]

sucks that we dont have specialized TDI shops like you guys in US

[@COMotorsports]

We tune a lot of them, but that's about it.

[@BlondynCh]

where are you guys located ?

[@BlondynCh]

freaking canada ?!!! :(