This Phone is $169 - What's the Catch?

[@gxldzn]

it's literally cheaper than some wireless buds out there, that's crazy

[@GriffinZambia]

*Dont_Read_My_Names!* .........

[@Game4Lord]

Speaking as an unbiased Apple user, you could get two of these for what a set of Gen 2 AirPods Pro go for.

[@microRiZu]

@@ThotaV18 given i can get a sony xperia XZ3 for 120$. i'll never get this phone. since the xz3 is premium flagship albeit used

[@Patrick.Howie.]

As opposed to figuratively cheaper?

[@jack_2612]

@@Game4Lord and almost 4 for what the Max are sold at

[@peterhopkins3613]

"At this price point, I'd prefer prehistoric premium over presently pleasantly priced" is a great closing sentence.

[@bongosbongos]

And a generally pleasing sentence.

[@PeanutBreathing]

Old flagship plus custom ROM? Yes, please.

[@zanegandini5350]

@@PeanutBreathing What phones allow for that? I only know that the Pixel allows for custom rom flashing. I'd love to do that with my OnePlus Nord N10 5G Pro if I knew how.

[@josuerosario20]

@@zanegandini5350 XDA Developers Forum, search for your phone and have fun, but of course READ a lot before doing anything.

[@V0idFace]

It's really, really not.

[@ijpritho]

It kinda feels good to see big tech tubers talk about budget phones! Thank you for showing some love for the sub $200 category. Much appreciated.

[@rafeyabdullah]

Fr

[@avieshek]

This should be the way~ and Marques would also in return likely be blessed.

[@francissalvator8729]

It's a sponsored video

[@Dec4AllTimeAlways]

The best phone for me is the Unihertz Tank. Imagine nearly 100 days of standby and 40 hours SOT?

[@piyusarkar3065]

@@francissalvator8729 don't think so, he literally advised against the budget phone

[@mdzaid5925]

The problem with these old flagships is to get a new battery. It’s often that you cannot get it replaced officially, or if you can then they just charge too much.

[@benja1378]

Just get it from a reputable refurbisher from Back Market - Minimum battery capacity policies are at 85% :)

[@bombapiotr]

Yeah, most of these phones get 6nm chips and a decent 5000mAh battery with 33w charging. They are much safer option than an old Samsung for example.

[@stonesymmetry]

Just buy one that is refurbished. Or just do it yourself.

[@bombapiotr]

@@stonesymmetry that's good choice. For older family members I usually suggest buying refurbished iPhones. They are great phones just for calling and WhatsApp.

[@a_stray_dog]

@@stonesymmetry As someone who does my own repairs, it's the same issue: After a while either you're looking at official batteries that are in better shape but still old, or third party batteries from dubious (and usually, just bad) quality. It's a sad reality, but there comes a point at which upkeeping an old smart device is either impossible or prohibitively expensive/dangerous.

[@A7ZATRU]

The OnePlus 7 Pro was ahead of its time and still my favourite ever phone. It's a real shame the market and companies didn't keep the popup camera going.

[@Dudofall]

I have an LG Wing, which also has the popup camera. Probably won't see any more in that series for a while though...

[@AA-ou9et]

On my Oneplus 7T Pro McLaren. An absolute monster of phone if ever was one. My older Oneplus 6T also chugging along nicely Solid shipsets, build quality, software, design

[@eliaxxz5360]

I still have my 7T Pro McLaren. still kicking perfectly fine.

[@alice_agogo]

@@Dudofall I have an LG G4 and I like the curved screen 📱 too bad they ditched it later

[@manwell235]

I used Mi 9T for a while and none of my phones after it can match the viewing pleasure of a notchless display

[@diogoalmeidavisuals]

I remember when $550 was the price of a flagship!

[@GriffinZambia]

*Dont_Read_My_Names!* .........

[@RealWorldReview]

A used S21 Ultra (and very soon, Samsung S22 Ultra) can be had for under $600 easy. Used of course

[@devilkazumi578]

@@RealWorldReview i got my s20 ultra for $650 brandnew at walmart

[@MuhammadFirdaus-wo6mz]

@@RealWorldReview Got mine like two months ago. Blew my old S10e out of the water lol

[@MrToastyYT]

@@RealWorldReview u can even get a used Z Fold 3 for around $500-600, used phones are crazy cheap, almost making it a ripoff to buy current gen

[@StockyDT]

I've learned based on a lot of people I've met in their 50s and older that buy budget phones. They primarily just want a phone that doesn't slow down and lag out and maybe a decent camera. Battery life is good, but since many of them don't use their phones too much or travel as much as they did, they last. I find more issues when they are start lagging out or being too slow and them becoming frustrated asking my Gen Z self to fix it

[@ChrisTian-sd5yq]

yup that's why I prefer midrange rather than flagship, cause I don't see my self using those extra features daily

[@dinozaurpickupline4221]

Phones like A52s have really blurred the line between flagship & midranger,for me phones like A52s are delivering flagship experience since I have not used a phone from 800 series nor I plan I upgrade when phone gets damaged or I feel an upgrade is now worth it But don't cheap out like me & use miui

[@ChrisTian-sd5yq]

From my past experiences, you buy a phone depending on where you use it (gaming/photography/watching videos) and also what's the budget

[@dinozaurpickupline4221]

@@ChrisTian-sd5yq here is my list of phones & budget since 2010 india Htc explorer Pico_high school budget $100 2014 Vodafone smart turbo 4g Budget $100 2017 iphone SE 2016 budget $220 2017 Samsung a5 2017 budget $200 2018 I made mistake sold both these phones to friends & got Nokia 6.1 plus then gave that to my sister 2020 $80 redmi 8A gave that to my mom 2021 $120 redmi note 7 got damaged got A70 full price Got water damaged Bought iPhone SE2020 64gb $230 Cousin took that one for $120 2023 using redmi note 11 4gb $150 & got realme 7 pro for $230 Its all about right budget right model

[@ChrisTian-sd5yq]

@@dinozaurpickupline4221 mine's: Nokia N70 Galaxy y Galaxy V Asus Zenfone 5.5s Redmi note 9s Galaxy note 10 plus

[@AmericoVespucioo]

I never understood why manufacturers decided to go with metal frames but glass back panels, making phones weigh around 200 grams, just for the sake of a more "premium look and feel" when most people will have the phone covered for protection, adding a few miligramos more and hiding the design of the phone. Plastic phones were never a problem in my mind.

[@dustinmoore2589]

hmm maybe if you did some research nfx and wireless charging is why can't do that through thick ass plastic

[@AmericoVespucioo]

@@dustinmoore2589 According to this reddit post: "Wireless charging works through the use of electromagnetic induction. Essentially the current from the outlet goes through the coil of the charger, which induces a current in the receptive coil. This current is then fed into the battery like a normal charger. Plastic won’t really get in the way of the em field, unlike metal. Source: college electrodynamics course"

[@supitschillbro]

lots of people don’t use cases. plastic phones feel bad. i don’t want to touch something that feels bad every day.

[@christopherpekel6096]

​​@@supitschillbrothat's why I feel bad for your gf bro

[@supitschillbro]

@@christopherpekel6096 weird, your mom loves how i feel

[@GyanTherapy]

You Should try Budget Moto G52 - 160$(India)

[@Dant33vans]

About to comment the same, or moto g32

[@musicplayers4]

Big fan🤩

[@aj0425]

G32 - $123 (India) Excellent deal 👌

[@amandubey6331]

Ha inlog ko india ka price btaenge to sar khujane lgenge itne saste me itna samaan.

[@srirajdellxps121]

Yes, it has OLED, Great Design, excellent batteries and a faster chipset. The moto G Play is much more weaker, Just because Motorola phones in India are more competitive and value for money. I don't know if there's any competition between smartphone brands in the US. But here in India, tech brands fight like dogs 🤣🤘🏻

[@llamaeatingpie]

Not to mention, the new phone will also have a brand new battery so that will last longer. If you buy the old phone, you will probably need to get a replacement battery for it pretty soon. That’s definitely something to take into account.

[@MianCowell]

Very good point

[@mariuskusch738]

Probably still better to get an older phone for 150-160€ and then spend another 30-40 bucks on a new battery

[@14bqdonk]

yep

[@ventilate4267]

@@mariuskusch738 would last longer performance wise too

[@madil2259]

@@mariuskusch738 agreed

[@Pillepup]

OnePlus 7 Pro was such an amazing phone! Always loved that uninterrupted screen with the pop-up camera. Don't know why it hasn't become more mainstream.

[@tiltedbybox6118]

"bEcAsE meCHanICal PArTs BreAK anD No wAtER cErtiFIAte" or in other words - the mainstream consumer is stupid and clumsy. source: a happy 7T Pro user, that can't find an upgrade worthy phone yet.

[@alMeraki]

Because it isn't beneficial to the companies. Punch hole cameras are cheaper than moving cameras with mechanical parts dedicated for them. I also use a similar phone and I love this uninterrupted screen. Now that I look at the recent phones. I don't like any of it. It's disappointing for me to buy a new one. Feels like a downgrade! :/

[@KaushikVirivinti]

Also i have seen atleast two friends who have dropped their phone while taking selfies camera didn't go inside as claimed by company and replacing them is huge hassle

[@BBanalyst]

Coz pop up cam was trash Btw I would still but a full screen even if it doesn’t have a front cam

[@belezadepaul]

@@alMeraki Sony.

[@mrgreatauk]

Nice to see Motorola still making decent budget options. One of my favourite phones was the G5 plus - just did basically everything I needed it to while not blowing my budget, and the gestures like shaking for torch etc were actually super useful and I have missed them since I sold it, even if my phones since have had upgrades like better cameras and a compass. Unlike this phone the g5+ was generally a good user experience though, don't remember any slowdown.

[@maskedmarvel]

Yeah I miss my chop flashlight too from my g5plus

[@MrBottlecapBill]

I'm still using an older G7play and I use the chop flashlight literally every day at least once. Love it. Oddly enough my older play seems to be faster lol. Probably due to less bloated updates sucking up all the ram.

[@DuckInGameStop]

I recently switched from a Moto G Fast to a Redmi Note 12 Pro, and although the new phone is better in literally every way, I do miss that flashlight thing every time I need to use the flashlight. And I still miss the feature my really old LG used to have where you could double-tap the screen to wake it up or turn it off again, I remember that being really convenient

[@Mario_N64]

​@@DuckInGameStopI still have the flashlight chop on my new Moto G82. I never left Motorola.

[@Gnostic777]

​@@MrBottlecapBillI prefer Moto Phones. I'm on the Moto G82 atm. Great phones and the chop chop feature is a must have.

[@mason4099]

I love the review of lower end phones! When I worked at target I was at a lose of any of the features for these phones. Everybody loves to cover the latest and greatest when in reality a lot of people just want something affordable!

[@Stealth87]

Yeah I sold a bunch of the unlocked moto powers and styluses when people asked for recommendations. Solid phones for the money

[@mason4099]

@@Stealth87 same here and Moto’s software was always the closest to stock android, which most people wanted

[@viniciuskenji4445]

Here in Brazil Motorola never went out of fashion. My first smartphone was a Moto G2 and was one of the best for its price range (considering that for most flagships, like iPhones, you have to pay very high consumer taxes).

[@oranwax5848]

Vamos Brazil 🇧🇷! 💯💯💯💪🏿💪🏿

[@Nokia_N93]

Still using my Moto G5. 😁

[@foxxstain]

brazil tem seu estresses mais esperimenta vir pra mozambique

[@dankdc5_]

Makes sense since most people there can't afford anything better

[@saravanank1058]

@@magtheridonxd5611 Yeah i completely understand it. In India It's a Different story Motorola mobiles Under 300 Dollars Are So competitive

[@geminireviews]

100% agree with this, my mom doesn't need a crazy phone so she's always had budget phones but was never really happy with them, so when she finally needed a new one now I decided to get her a S20FE for 170$ in really good condition. No budget phone can compete with that, she's really happy with it now!

[@kingsofroblox2165]

Haha what a coincidence I'm getting that for my mom's birthday that's why I was on KZbin seeing if the phone is worth it as tho it looks great especially with 128gb there always is a catch

[@Yamin-zo1bm]

Good thing you did.

[@ennvee1989]

Wow your mom has a better phone than me! I am rocking a S8 😂

[@baoquoc3710]

170$ for a Snapdragon 865 phone is hard to beat

[@jseden]

My moms the same way.. currently has some budget Moto from four years back, doesn’t do anything demanding and is now even saying she needs an upgrade herself. Looking to get her into an iPhone 11 or 12 next time we’re together. I keep telling her that a decent phone is almost worth it for the camera alone. Her current one… well it ain’t great lol

[@nicnez6]

I bought $2000 fold 2 back in 2020, now my phone is worth $200 now. it's not worth it to buy flagship phones anymore, especially those $1800-$2000 smartphones. I will never ever buy phone more than $500

[@thevally6127]

iPhone is worth it not android

[@nicnez6]

@@thevally6127 resell values for Iphones are not that good also, it's way better to buy mid range phones every year rather than buying flagship phones every year.

[@kungfukenny9300]

So good you opened up the conversation about old premium phones being an option, because more often than not majority of people aint spending 1000 dollars on a new phone. So the option between an old flagships vs current mid rangers is always the dilemma. this goes for iphones vs iphones, to androids vs other androids, to iphones vs androids. I really think you can incorporate past flagships on your yearly rewards show. "Phones that aged well" category

[@mistermastermind528]

How old is "old enough" though? A phone released 1 year ago? 2 years ago?

[@jackwilson5542]

Problem with used/older phones is degraded battery though. (Ofc you can replace it but that is an added cost)

[@asimmoideen5960]

​@@mistermastermind528 1 year is still new imo , 2 years or more i would say on second thought, smartphones that have 1 year of software/security updates left

[@asimmoideen5960]

@@jackwilson5542 and the companies make it as difficult as possible and expensive to replace parts, big ups to EU for mandating removable battery by 2027 (still far in the future in tech years) and the usb c for iphones

[@Tomatau-gy8kl]

@@jackwilson5542 You could get the old flagship phone for brand new. It'd obviously be more expensive than used but not by a lot. I believe S10 goes for $200 brand new nowadays.

[@RobotOnCoffee]

The OP 7 Pro was easily one of my favorite phone experiences. Especially the camera, it felt good to take it into manual, but the processed photos also looked very good.

[@coolyou7]

I had the OnePlus 7 pro and it was f****** amazing. I recently traded it in for the Pixel 7 pro because it was outdated via software. Even though oxygen OS has more features then pixel OS lol.

[@justaguyfromreddit]

Still has a oneplus 7tpro, still a amazing

[@NilesHlavacek]

Still love my 7pro, running Android12, still getting updates

[@hhaste]

I really liked my OP 5T.. I kept it for 5 years, up until just a couple months ago.. I really wish the new 10T would have been good.. I would have stuck with them, for sure. Ended up switching to a Pixel this time around, though.. maybe next time.

[@hhaste]

@@coolyou7 You can probably root your new phone to get that OS on yours, if you really wanted it.. but even just a new launcher, like Nova Prime would probably be enough (and safer/easier) I have a Pixel 7 right now but I've been fairly happy with the stock OS, for now. I just miss the super customization you can get with Nova etc.

[@jochemcasier6974]

First time I hear Marques include the second hand market into the picture and talking about the environmental aspect of buying used phones. Love it! My appreciation just went way up!

[@angelkostadinov1689]

It also made me think, how is this slow Motorola getting software updates, but the Oneplus won’t? Manufactures should start making phones with software that can last as long as the hardware.

[@Funktastico]

@@angelkostadinov1689 it's not the hardware , it's the software support aka the effort and costs that manufacturer willing to spend for supporting their old phones sold that earns them nothing in present and future except for their brand reputation, but ultimately they want you to replace your old phone with their new phone as frequently as possible so that they can earn your money as much as possible. motorola only guarantees like 2 years updates even for their flagships that costs 5x of this one.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

He's mentioned going second hand before, it's just been a while back.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

@@angelkostadinov1689 If they did that they wouldn't be able to sell anything anymore. People would be surprized what midrange phones today have sepcs to last a lifetime (assuming the battery is easily replaceable and you don't drop it).

[@jochemcasier6974]

@@Daniel-dj7fh Yes, as I said, first time I hear it myself but good to know it happens more often than I’ve seen in that case. I watch most of his video’s and believe that the impact of his voice is not be underestimated. I really love tech advancements myself but often feel a duality of reasoning riding these waves of expansive progression. These high profile tech tubers are part of what makes us want to buy more new stuff every year and consume more so I do believe they should consider their carbon footprint quite differently. Currently companies and their products are the fuel and they are the engine that gets the motor running.

[@remiwi2399]

I have a Moto G Power from years ago for

[@Diggy22]

My Moto G Power was such a beast. Great battery life, good camera, little to no speed issues, and great for gaming. Mine ended up getting dropped face down on a concrete driveway, so I had to get a replacement (ended up buying a 2023 Moto G Stylus), but I'm planning to try and repair the LCD and screen myself to hopefully keep as a backup phone.

[@JediWebSurf]

do you experience lag?

[@michaeltvermoes6859]

So glad you recognized the environmental advantage of buying used - I feel like that is often neglected by most tech-channels 🙌

[@theweeknd2725]

OnePlus 8T Pro, Best used phone to get in the market. Lead with speed, and it specs are samsung competitive easy

[@nickthaskater]

@Archive batteries these days are fine for a few years or regular use. Even then you'd still be putting in new batteries into new phones so the battery issue is moot.

[@Alken2]

@@nickthaskater I don't think he meant from the environmental point of view as from an economical pov

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@Alken2 in all things hardware the best thing we can do is maximize their life cycle, because in an enormous amount of energy went into the production of pretty much any hardware, from your phone to your automobile and everything in between. The carbon output of the production of these devices dwarfs the carbon output of the life of these devices, even for automobiles. That guy driving the old E350 because he can’t afford an electric car is doing the right thing by the environment.

[@nextlaunch1]

@Archive I bought my iPhone 8 3 years ago used and the battery is still fine.

[@drachna]

My big problem with older phones is battery life. I use my phones hard, and by the time I'm ready to upgrade, their battery health is generally pretty poor in comparison to where they started off. If I was to buy a used phone that had say 80% battery health, and then use it for two years, it would probably struggle to get through a day. That's why I like newer, midrange phones. They have bigger, newer batteries, and they pair that with slightly less powerful but much more efficient chipsets. Feature wise they tend to compare favourably with older flagships too.

[@alice_agogo]

Not with my s6 edge. Will be 5 years next month and bought used so real age is 7-8 years. Charged multiple times a day because sot is only 3 hours (dropped to 90 minutes when I started using TikTok) so that's thousands and thousands of cycles over the years.

[@zethloveless7238]

If it’s a iPhone it’s not bad to get it replaced through them just consider it when negotiating price since mine per say is $69 through apple

[@alice_agogo]

But if you have to buy old make sure it's snapdragon 820 and above. My daily is now an LG G5 bought for less than $50 from China 🇨🇳 2 months ago 😂 the difference between 2015 S6 Edge and 2016 820 is night and day. S6 Edge 2600 mah sot 2 hours TikTok Lite rooted LG G5 2800 mah up to 4 hours sot TikTok Lite not rooted so would last longer if rooted Both 2k resolution. Both ufs 2.0 but S6 Edge felt like an old, slow horse compared to 820 plus ufs. I'm typing this on an LG G4 bought 6 months ago for $30 also from China 🇨🇳 Performance is on par with the s6. I'm thinking of buying next the LG G6 and Huawei P10

[@GoldenEDM_2018]

You probably drain your battery to 15 to 5% everyday, and that's the only time you'll charge it. That's torture for the battery. I have a 5 year old budget Huawei, and is still at 80% battery capacity compared to when its new. I charge whenever it is below 55%, at most convenient time, for example, while I'm doing other things that doesn't require using a phone, I charge it. Always charge your phone even if the battery is not even half. It will do wonders.

[@alice_agogo]

@@GoldenEDM_2018 I've read long ago to charge at 40% up to 99%. I use a simple android battery alarm that alerts me when the phone is almost full

[@chandlerlaruex]

I used my old OnePlus 7 Pro temporarily while I was waiting to get my s22 ultra replaced last week and was incredibly surprised how absolutely well it still works. Still feels like a budget flagship phone

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

I mean it's an overspecced phone, it'll never be bad for normal use. You just don't get all the new fancy new features, like camera zoom which gets you into the neighbours room.

[@wayando]

It had the best of everything when it came out. Better than what Samsung had out.

[@suzu9629]

I'm still rocking my OP 7pro until today although it was almost 4 years old but to be susprisingly, it felt so damn smooth for my daily usage that made me think than im not need to upgrade for at least 2 3 year for now

[@darudesandstorm244]

I used my OP6 somewhat recently when I was repairing my Pixel 6 Pro - beyond the battery (which randomly dropped from 42-2 in the span of 5 minutes) the phone works fantastically, I probably could still get years out of it with just a battery replacement Man I miss the old OnePlus

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

@@wayando Oh but where is OnePlus now lmao

[@OwenDavies83]

I have a S23 Ultra but there is a lot to be said for phones made of polycarbonate. They are so much lighter that even if you drop them them they hit the ground with far less force lowering the risk of damage. One of the things I liked about the Galaxy S2 was that it was so light it felt futuristic.

[@MmJAVImM]

Still rocking the OnePlus 7 Pro. I still haven't found any other phone that is worth the update. Apart from some camera and charging speed improvements, I still consider it one of the best phones ever made. Way ahead of it's time

[@thetechboyorg]

Yeah

[@ShashwatPanda]

One plus 7t user here and I feel the exact same way. The 7 series was undoubtedly one of the best one plus ever produced.

[@govind_goyal]

thats the exact problem my friend is having. the new oneplus phones, like my 9, arent good anymore. and other android companies just dont match the old oneplus.

[@Odseus]

Finally receiving that Android 12 update was a great Christmas present. I don't see any reason to upgrade anytime soon.

[@killajay418889]

I have a 7pro but I stopped using it because I had issues with my texts coming thru on time

[@123simenHP]

You can get the Xiaomi 11t often on sale for $200 or less. I got it for $200 in the summer 2022. The phone is almost as fast as my s22 ultra, has a really good camera (worse than S22 ultra ofcourse, but not actually by much), it has a really fast charge (67 watt) and the screen is awesome for the price. All in all that phone is a much better value compared to the Moto G when it's on sale, which is almost weekly atm.

[@ekolteenarp]

There's a nice hint of the "catch" when you quick-scroll the Play Store 😄. And yeah I agree that I would definitely want to buy a refurbished or a used flagship phone, particularly the slightly older Pixel phones.

[@lewsee5562]

@Muhammad Ehtasam Nah, the SoC is simply too weak. It has an Antutu score of around 110k, which doesn't cut it anymore. Using a midrange phone with a decent SoC is enough to smoothen out the OS, something like the Snapdragon 695 (around 400k Antutu score) for new midranges.

[@lewsee5562]

@Muhammad Ehtasam Okay sure whatever floats your boat.

[@Vlad2319]

As a person who loves cheaper phones with decent workhorse power Motorola has been putting it out. I have a Stylo 5G and standard Stylo, both have headphone jacks, lovely large screens and battery. The camera can leave you wanting if you are after photographer quality, but it's definitely functional for pulling out to capture some random family event. Gaming is pretty good, on the 5G I can play Xbox games from game pass (haven't tried on the regular Stylo) with little sacrifice.

[@princewillanyagagligbo6890]

try one plus n20 prolly go for 30 ish or even the 30 with way better specs. I don't think it's that specail but irts good the old g power 2022 imo is better.

[@anero.]

You can just install a custom ROM to fix the software update issue and if you're buying an older flagship phone it'll probably have official lineageOS support, so you'll just have to install it once and get software updates without having to install anything through recovery.

[@koolkiddie]

Lineage OS is the goat for boomer phones

[@piercecruz3629]

Mediatek chips cant be installed a custom rom, last i recall

[@prateekpanwar646]

@@piercecruz3629Nope, It’s more of having locked boot loader which can be unlocked if manufacturer supports it and moto does. So customer rom can be installed, Instructions on xda .

[@thealex232323]

google been pretty aggressive against unlocked bootloader phone when you want to use a banking app

[@trublaze]

@@prateekpanwar646 A phone like this won't see the light of day on XDA

[@alinaqirizvi1441]

Yeah Motorola phones have been awesome lately, I recently got a 2021 Moto Edge 20 Pro which was about £750 at release but it was discounted to £350 in the September back to school sale. It was amazing with a fast chipset unlike this phone and it has really good build quality with glass on the back. I would recommend definitely getting the old flagship phone over a new cheap phone. As you mentioned though they do get less software updates but if you get a phone from like last year it has just about as much updates as a new budget phone. Edit: thx for the likes!

[@linuspotocnik]

I still believe as a starter phone for both younger and older people this is a great option. Considering the amount of software updates coming vs an older phone this is a good option.

[@Archaoen0]

I have a Redmi 8, which has 4GB Ram and SD 439 chipset and it's much faster than this phone considering it's a budget phone from 2019 and i also use a custom GCam Port instead of the stock camera to get better quality and extra features like night mode and such. And BTW the night works amazingly albeit of course there's some noise but it's still much better than budget phones these days.

[@ll-WOW-ll]

No its not. The redmi 11 is better in every way. (Amoled screen, 700 nits brightness, 6gb ram, 128gb storage....) and its 18usd more

[@Frozoken]

Nah yound people would want to play games and this thing is slow as shit, for old people, sure

[@OmniUni]

@@ll-WOW-ll It also is unlikely to have VoLTE certification, making it virtually useless -- unless you don't need to make phone calls.

[@yc0995]

it has a mediatek processor, it's never gonna get an update

[@kylecooney353]

I can not overstate how useful the moto chop light is. One of the best features ever

[@maxbrooks1]

I have had 3 phones since Moto g and Moto edge and am going back for this one simple feature, it is the most useful thing ever. I would rather a budget motog than my pixel8 for that simple feature

[@Agent311]

I agree with going with the cheaper older phone. Although the S21 FE is not that old yet, it was a massive upgrade for a family member who was using a painfully slow A10e.

[@AmAnKumAr-tg4fy]

even i have upgraded to s21 fe from 100$ phone

[@DeepjyotiBarman]

hey i am planning to get the s21 fe. My budget is 40k indian rupees. will it be wort it?

[@MirSarwar]

@@DeepjyotiBarman ha bai lele sale mai 35k tak ka mil jayega

[@dantebouwer]

@@DeepjyotiBarman I'd go for a 2nd had s20 or unless the S21 fe is more a design based purchase

[@corey7219]

I'm upgrading my mom's 3.5 year old s9 to the 2 year old s20 fe for $120US. The bigger screen, more versatile cameras, better battery life, and faster charging are all points of improvement over the s9 that my mom will enjoy

[@artdogg50]

I just recently bought the Umidigi a13 pro 5g for $156. That was a flash sale. Price was like $219 I believe. It's dropped to about $175. It has the Dimensity 700, 5150 battery, and 8gb of Ram and 128gb storage. It also has a 1080p display. 2 updates when I got it to put it on the June 2022 security patch. Not one update since though, which like Marquez says, tends to be one of the main issue with these budget phones. Motorola usually updates better than this though. I think I may start going with the older mid-range or flagships after this though. Phone works pretty good for a budget phone, but it's like a 2nd or 3rd to use and could never be my daily driver. It's a good all around budget phone though.

[@The_BigB]

One things you should have mentioned with the update side of it, knock on wood, is that some older flagships have an active modding community like for the op 7 pro and custom roms that even go up to android 13 now.

[@GriffinZambia]

*Dont_Read_My_Names!* .........

[@hoppingturtles]

Exactly. This is why I always buy a flagship, and change only after 4+ years

[@gljnjo]

Thats amazing, didnt know that I had a note9 for 4 years and its probably the best phone i ever had

[@pauladamharrison]

Used to love this in the days of Cyanogenmod. On my HTC Desire it was so much better to use the custom ROM over HTC's skin. However, the difficulty in getting things such as Google Pay up and running on a modded phone puts me off now.

[@ashish_sunny]

yes but the security might be flawed in that case

[@justinward7331]

I love this phone. I got mine last week. And considering the cheap price I paid $120. I'm impressed with how quick it is and how long the battery lasts.

[@jacobnunya808]

I was confused by the Geekbench score he had. When I looked it up I find about twice that.

[@AriR6R]

do you still have it and hows the interent reception

[@t.t.3753]

I agree with you. I gave my dad my old Pixel 2. And although it's from 2017 it's still a great phone with good power and takes great pictures. I recently asked if you wants a newer phone, but he said he is totally happy with it.

[@dinozaurpickupline4221]

Bless your pa

[@dylanlindsay1993]

i have a small phone collection... i have an iphone xr as my daily driver i have a iphone 6s i have a iphone 7 plus i have a iphone 6 plus and i have a moto g pure 2021 and a moto g stylus 5g 2021... all of which are unlocked for any network so if i get tired of one i can just throw my sim in one of my other phones!

[@DavideDiPaolo]

My old Pixel 2XL with Camera PX was better than my new Pixel 6a

[@dinozaurpickupline4221]

@@DavideDiPaolo that's just placebo or you got a sub performing unit

[@p1xlb522]

I'm still using a Pixel 2, it's honestly not bad except the battery life and occasional stutters, but both issue can be resolved with a battery replacement.

[@OmniUni]

This is an interesting video, especially since I would love to see more budget and midrange options reviewed. However, I think there are two important points missed. First, is yes, at the absolute rock bottom price of $169, this is a slow phone. But move up to the low-$200s, and there are some options with the much faster Dimensity 700 and 5G that feel much MUCH better. The second point in regards to new versus used phones, is that you simply don't know how an older phone was used. The battery may well be significantly degraded. If you can't afford to spend a lot of money, a new phone, even a $169 new phone will likely last a lot longer than a used phone of the same price before you start having hardware problems.

[@abhigyakhandelwal9215]

Also, a lot of those good 300 USD equivalent phones do not get launched in your country + the use of Credit cards allow people to buy more expensive phones on debt

[@OmniUni]

@@abhigyakhandelwal9215 The bigger issue right now is VoLTE validation. I was able to get some phones that worked great even on 5G, at least on T-Mobile, but sadly there was no way to bypass the VoLTE verification even though it is standard and should have worked just fine.

[@Anankin12]

For a phone from last year, who cares if the price is similar to this. For a phone from 2019? Boi, don't. I have 4 (yes 4) OnePlus 7, 2 of which have such a degraded battery that it won't last you through the morning, 1 is basically brand new and 1 that has an acceptable degree of wear. Used phones older than 2 years, you need to add the cost of changing the battery to the buying price.

[@Anankin12]

@@OmniUni op7 is volte validated... Except Android 12 update completely broke it and the LAST update was released 2 days ago. I still haven't got it so I don't know if it got fixed, but that was pretty bad.

[@EvilestMinion]

Great point about battery and phones condition. Might only be able to get a year or less out of it in worse circumstances

[@ÆßV]

*You should do more of these budget/mid-range phone reviews.* Btw, Moto is doing fine nowadays and OnePlus, take notes on how good you were back then. Cheers 🥂

[@sumedhvats1395]

Nice name From India?

[@ÆßV]

@@sumedhvats1395 Yours is better. Yes.

[@Jimster481]

I had a Moto E4 as a backup / secondary phone. Loaned it out to several people. It actually worked really great and had great battery life. Sadly many phones today don't support 5G or VoLTE so they are now worthless... That's the issue with buying used. You need to find something that will have good connectivity and hopefully some software update...

[@JohnScigulinsky]

The thing about software updates is that if you're at least a bit tech savvy, you can use LineageOS or a similar AOSP mod to prolong the life of an older flagship or even midranger. LineageOS got my Lenovo P2 way past its prime and it was definitely faster than new super-cheap phones. Unless your phone has some specific feature (such as Samsung Dex) I'd always consider switching to an AOSP mod rather than going for a new phone.

[@Henfredemars]

It really depends on the phone. The OnePlus 7 Pro Lineage is awful for daily use with really high idle drain and bad display support in my testing.

[@randomnickify]

Congratulations, you are part of 0,0001% of population that cares. Now excuse me, I need to buy my new Samsung. :)

[@Sandwich4321]

@@Henfredemars I'd imagine the 7 pro would have plenty of other ROMs to choose from

[@alice_agogo]

@@randomnickify true but I'm sell old Samsungs in my country and I'm selling them stock but rooted and greenified otherwise they'd be unusable. 😂

[@tiagomachado5360]

Nameless is great for OnePlus devices! I also love LOS tho. I'm using the 8 Pro but I switched ROM even despite having a stock A13 update, since they merged OxygenOS with ColorOS and got horrendously bad.

[@Muhammadaleenagri]

After a fall, Montorola is booming everywhere, good to see my childhood favorite phone rising.

[@official_Doucette....]

@Main_marquese ☝️write me✍Let's talk🎁..

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

is not your childhood favorite phone anymore... is owned by the COMMUNISTS !

[@jedipdx]

It's a Chinese company now owned by Lenovo. Not the same company.

[@Mantikal]

@@jedipdx Who also now owns the Redhat Linux Enterprise platform too. Lenovo is the brainchild of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) - the Chinese-government’s crown jewel institution of scientific research.

[@prinzexisalowqualityytber]

goddammit@@jedipdx

[@arthurdebacker4797]

I love the environment point you bring up, I always bring that up. There should be some kind of framework in which you can reset a phone to a certain stock setting and get basic security coverage without extra features just so that you can use it and there is much less e-waste.

[@ElderlyAnteater]

AOSP does this to an extent, but that's out of reach for most users. Maybe hope the EU can do their thing and bully smartphone manufacturers into providing extended security support for the sake of the environment.

[@eriquekun]

Thank you for shouting out Tecno. There are people like us who use those devices because we can't afford the iPhones and the Ultras !

[@diogoandrade6894]

Really love these videos about cheap new vs older premium. I also tend to prefer older premium

[@nikkigrace5288]

yup. same. a Pixel 5 is about the same price and blows this out of the water. I don't think I've bought a new phone since my first smartphone

[@ChaiTimeDataScience]

Sidenote: I would even watch a video of MKBHD intros on repeat if I can. The intro animations never disappoint!

[@thatevchick]

Incrediblle!

[@thacrypt223]

Unnecessary dic*riding! 15 yard penalty!

[@mrmartin2079]

How sad

[@tranquility6789]

You really need to make a video about used phones! The main advantage is having a faster chip, and in my opinion, a better, faster chip will make the most difference, because it won't feel slow unlike budget phones. Also significantly better for the environment

[@daves1646]

Simply excellent perspective Marques!! Thank you for getting that most important decision in there at the end!!!! I’ll keep looking for the 2021-2022 mid-upper level phone. Which manufacturers in Android space have longer s/w upgrade support?? The key piece right with cost. Thanks again!

[@tariq1492]

6:57 that's where you know the phone is that slow lol.

[@BurittoSandwich]

The Moto G line has always been pretty decent for the price. The cameras are pretty mid, but they do benefit from gcam. They also slow down a bit after a while.

[@mclovin1071]

I think there is one thing you forgot to mention. The new budget phone has a new battery. Batteries are probably that one single thing in every phone that ages. Thus the battery in the old flagship will not have the same health as the new budget phone. Batteries usually decay heavily after 4 years. Some even swell a little.

[@aryanraj1667]

It doesn’t cost much to replace the battery it‘ll still be a good experience

[@nerovanguard846]

I replaced my ROG Phone 2 battery for less than $30. It is still fast, smooth and now with a new battery, lasts up to 7 to 8 hours SoT in full 120 Hz refresh rate.

[@Rhachette]

Just replace the battery lol, old flagship with a new battery will always beat a budget new phone lol

[@JamesLinner]

For the same price right now you can get the galaxy A14 5g which has 5G cellular connectivity with a 1080p screen and acceptable performance

[@jayman4566]

We got one of these for my mom and it is perfectly fine. One of the things you have to do is really optimize on it. Only a couple of games and not 90 Apps installed. Plus something like Simple launcher really helps.

[@fractallusion7121]

Man I wish more phones had the fingerprint sensor on the back. That was one of my favorite features of the Pixel 2. And using it to swipe down the notification bar was so useful. I miss that phone sometimes.

[@TheHighfeilds]

I agree my favorite place too have back one on my moto e30 k

[@aussiegruber86]

I had the same thing in my oppo and loved it

[@Naraayanay]

What could be best vlue for money and best smartphone under 700-800 USD right now?

[@fractallusion7121]

@@Naraayanay I would say the Pixel 7 series. Best bang for your buck under $700. It competes with flagships that are nearly double that price. Check out Marques' review!

[@gurukarthik325]

I find that annoying lol- everytime i hold the phone horizontally it just opens the notification, especially while gaming

[@mathewsvrosh6132]

I'm still rocking my POCO X3 that I bought in 2020 for 17000 rupees ( around 200 dollars ). For this price I got 120Hz refresh rate, 6000 mAh battery, 33w fast charging, Snapdragon 732G (not the best, but enough for me), 64mp main camera with a sony sensor, 13mp ultra wide, 2mp macro and depth and so on. It was the best value for money phone at the time. MiUi has improved a lot over these years and so the software experience is also great. There are some bugs here and there but the phone was well worth it. Great video btw 🤗

[@Deathtaxesandrussell]

I smashed mine on Boxing day and had to down grade to a temporary Moto g31 🥲

[@handlemonium]

Yup! Just got myself an Xperia 10 IV and it's definitely the compact iPhone Pro Max class battery beast with a headphone jack I hoped it would be. Performs around an SD845 although the camera processing, mono speaker, and limited cellular band support kinda sucks but I'll live with it.

[@3DArtistJourney]

Haha, I got my pixel 6a for $194.10. Isn't that crazy? I'm now a big man for using a pixel and squashing iPhoners in my area. I love the attention MKBHD, you have been an immense influence. Thank you.

[@muhammadwaleednasir]

I work in mobile phone retail and we’ve been getting excellent low tier Motorola phones like this one for quite a while now. The Moto G stylus and Moto 5G are the cream of the crop when it comes to performance and durability but I’m glad they brought the G play back , it was a really popular phone.

[@joseespinoza2687]

The phone that is honestly a very good deal that I personally choose over my Moto was a Oneplus Nord N200 5G. Got it for $179 at Metro but you can also get it for the same price at Tmobile and other places. It has a 6.5 in 1080P IPS 90hz screen, same 5000mah battery, 18W fast charging, 4gb of Ram intead of 3gb, expandable storage, and a Snapdragon 480...basically evrything that could be slighty better with the Moto is better on this device. I use a Iphone 13 Pro now but I still use my Oneplus all the time...I take it with me as a backup secondary device to read, and consume media on. That says a lot.

[@MisterPyOne]

I got the Oneplus Nord 2 5G for 250 Euro and I'm very satisfied especially with the camera.

[@Pone0007]

The best Tech KZbinr hands down 👏🏾 Love the content my guy keep going ! 💪🏾🙌🏾

[@thatevchick]

He is AMAZING my favorite by FAR

[@asphaltanimal8809]

Mr.whoosetheboss: Hold my beer

[@drsatyamupadhyay]

Unbox therapy is now ded 😭

[@mrmartin2079]

@@thatevchick 😂😂

[@danielperanginangin5981]

@@asphaltanimal8809 nah, MKBHD is better

[@basically_chris]

For the last ten years I always have “an old flagship” and it’s working great for me. 50/50 android and iOS

[@awesome0013]

I like how when he was listing the specs he put the most emphasis on “headphone jack”

[@pizzatime7433]

This was a thoughtful and well written review I enjoyed it

[@PreciousJacob]

2:50 10 watt charging speed on Android: It's pretty slow 10 watt charging speed on iPhone: OMG OMG OMG

[@ShouldaWaved]

This was a geeat buy for $49. Im not kidding minus the low storage its been more user friendly than my samsung and being into flashlights the fact that two flicks of the wrist activate the light without messing witb the phone screen or fumbling for buttons should be mandatory on all phones, i dont think i can live without it by choice lol EXCELLENT WORK THERE MOTOROLA, thank you! And good vid

[@jjmarz1001]

For me the deal breaker on the used flagship is non expandable memory. I have a 400GB micro SD card on my phone (in addition to the 256GB memory that it comes with). Plenty of fast mid-range phones available with expandable memory.

[@NostalgicMem0ries]

this. im so happy i got hand on my s10 lite with expandable storage... now all top smartphones are without it, even mid ranged ones rarely has it... its stupid, i can live without headphone jack s since earbuds connections are so great now, i can live without water resistances and stuff cause i care about my phone, but ability to expand storage especially when apps get bigger, when you filmed 4k 60 fps footages more and more and dont want to cut and safe on pc every week is just heaven.

[@BenedictAllen_]

What do you need 600gb for on a phone?

[@Lexterrific]

@@NostalgicMem0ries same, I can't live without headphone jack. I always plug in. If I watch, listen or play I don't wanna interrupt anyone else ☺️

[@blad...]

@@Lexterrific Yes. *FUCK* charging earbuds.

[@NostalgicMem0ries]

@@Lexterrific fair, but earbuds also does same just removes cables. but i respect your opinion, if i bought high quality wired headphones i would be angry too about this apple idea of removing stuff... sadly samsungs and other follow this trend now.

[@rikhilshah]

Great to see the OnePlus 7 Pro featured again. Still the best phone ever made in my opinion and I'm still using it :)

[@bucketofinternet2744]

i got 6T and still going

[@ADCowie]

I agree, older flagship phones, like older top-spec computers, are the way to go. I have a completely arbitrary rule that no phone is worth more than £400 to me so I bought my current iPhone 8 Plus when Apple briefly dropped the price on their refurbished store to £385 and I expect to replace it with a refurbished iPhone 12 in the future (the 12 Mini is currently down to £459 on the Apple UK refurbished store so it's nearly there!).

[@restheengineer]

try ebay refurbished, theyve always had my back, if u search enough u can find a 256 iphone 11 pro / 128 12 mini for around 360

[@grom69]

I've bought an s10 with 512gb from aliexpress for hella cheap, like £280 The only catch is the battery life but that's it, replace it and done, everything else feels new

[@mind-of-neo]

I agree big time. A galaxy s9 or older iphone is still an incredible phone that is essentially perfect beyond not receiving updates prepetually. I also got a laptop that is like a decade old but was a high end business class laptop, and it performs incredibly, better than a windows 10 laptop i had that was like half its age.

[@crazytalk7162]

I got this phone recently. It's not great, I know, but I got this for the 1080p at 60fps. It takes quality videos straight out of the box if you don't do all the crazy gaming and just need the basics. I record on a massive 256G A2 micro SD even though it's rated for 32G. In fairness, the SD card was formatted on a phone rated for 512G so maybe that helps. It's a good overseas phone because it comes unlocked and carries CDMA and GSM on a ton of bands. So ehh. It works. And they make Poetic cases that fit it!

[@Yodagamer1]

This brings me back my first smart phone was the 2nd gen moto g. That thing still works after it took and absolute beating from me and my brother in law after I gave it to him 😂. Now days phones feel like they’ll break if you look at them wrong.

[@GriffinZambia]

*Dont_Read_My_Names!* .........

[@shivrajdaund66]

Couldn't agree more 😂👍

[@spinx1483]

I am commenting this from Moto G2 😂

[@srirajdellxps121]

@@spinx1483 wow it still works?

[@Yodagamer1]

@@srirajdellxps121 It doesn't surprise me at all. Mine survived water once with me no problem. After I gave it to my brother in law he dropped it in water as well and for a bit it didn't turn on, but eventually it started working again. I know it's not connected to cellular anymore, but its being used as a youtube kids phone for my nephew in their car.

[@MarcusIIFerreira]

Hi, Mark. Greetings from Brazil. The reason for the camera didn't turn on when you twist it is that this particularly model (and other cheap ones from Motorola) doesn't have the gyroscopic sensor, just an acceleration sensor that makes the flashlight pop. Of course this is due to give it a cut on the price. Similar thing happens with the compass too. Some smartphone has it, others don't.

[@baap2499]

I got the previous version of this phone. Moto g power 2022 for 25$ with Google fi offer. It lagged and did not feel as responsive, but I have gotten habituated to the slow responsiveness now. I installed gcam app on it and now I have a 25$ phone that takes photos as good as the pixel phones (Video is still trash though, 1080p30). But at this price point, I am not complaining. Haven't had any issues at all and it gets my job done.

[@GregGjp]

Gcam ports do work very well, almost like magic... but I highly doubt that it makes this phone take pictures like a Pixel.

[@dchartest9661]

good phones arent really getting cheaper when they are like over a thousand dollars

[@DerrickClaar]

Love my used flagship phones. Could not agree with you more on that point. Along with that, I never feel like I'm missing out, just having the same experience 3+ years out of step ; ) My OnePlus 6 is finally starting to lag a little with my updated apps, but not so much that I feel like losing my headphone jack. Eventually I will, but I'm still holding out for a newer phone where they brought back the headphone jack (feel like Ford Dent trying to speak in future-past perfect tense...)

[@mac24seven]

I switched from Oneplus to a s21 ultra (I had a 3t,5,5t,6 and 7t). The camera is just insane, basically a wonderful phone.

[@aestheticsock8772]

i got a oneplus 7 pro in august 2021 for around $400 new from leftover Sprint 5G stock on Amazon, still runs a treat. Only issue is it's stuck on Android 10 but honestly doesn't feel that bad, plus I love the no-notch 1440p 90hz display. If you're looking for a phone with a headphone jack though, you can't go wrong with a Zenfone 9 IMO, as long as you can find one.

[@andoletube]

I can offer you Ford Prefect or Arthur Dent, but I can't offer you Ford Dent.

[@Optimusprime809]

I'm sure MKBHD would happily recommend the ZenFone 9 to you!

[@hrlrl9309]

I always buy the Pixel from 2 years ago. Have a Pixel 4 now, it's amazing. Besides the camera, I don't see any reason to upgrade.

[@CubanRider]

These phone rock. Bought a Moto G Power over 3 years ago with the same 5000 mAh battery to use as a hotspot all over Europe. It was cheaper than the available hotspots and the battery lasted two full days. Love that I could use a large SD card to download a bunch of episodes; I used the headphone jack often and the fingerprint sensor was perfect.

[@AriR6R]

how is the interent reception on it

[@kshitijkumar4383]

I currently own an OP7+ and software wise it is EOL. However, still the best phone I have ever had with incredible battery and processing power that it still feels very snappy.

[@ImJustPassingThrough]

He contradicts himself recommending an EOL phone and then talking about how security patches are important.

[@FoxyDrew]

@@ImJustPassingThrough This was a comparison, not a recommendation. He laid out the pro's and cons of going with both phones. He did not end the video with any concrete statement like "definitely go with this one"

[@simobermaki]

I Moved from the OP7PRO to an iphone 13 pro like 3 months ago because of the battery, nothing else coul've made me move on. I still own it, it's such an incredible phone.

[@ion9328]

Yeah, you see, the battery is the only problem with this phone... Atleast that warp charge still works today like it worked on day 1 in 2019🔥. Overall best phone I've ever had.

[@thiccboi6211]

Thats good but no one cares

[@tomcampbell5860]

A cheap phone today might get two years of updates from the OEM, but a popular flagship or mid-range phone from a few years ago is still going to be getting software updates too, just not from the OEM.

[@MaqsVids]

Thanks for this! After flagship chasing for decades. I tried a Moto G4 play years ago because it , among other things, worked with so many carriers. It was slow but I used it for two years. It did make me a Motorola fan though. I have since used the Moto G6, G7 Power, and G Power 2021 (I think) and I am now on the Edge 2021. Once I stopped flagship chasing, I realized that for between $150 and $300 I could get a new phone that served my needs, be it new or a few generations old. (The most I have spend on a phone in over 10 years is $300.)

[@jbritain]

I had an E5, it was £100 and brilliant for the price.

[@MaqsVids]

@@jbritain Right!!!

[@Supraboyes]

i always tell people to check motorola out, in the UK people are surprised they are still around. had motos for past 10+ years.

[@MaqsVids]

@@Supraboyes It is the same way in the US. Most people are surprised. They are so versatile and reasonably priced.

[@undercatviper]

Yup not to mention the cost or depreciation is much lower for an older phone.

[@Prometeo59]

This phone is more than enough for most of the people in the world. Honestly, there should be more reviews like this

[@halsti99]

i have been buying budget phones for years. my last 3 phones were all under 200 bucks and all of them were more than good enough. had the moto g6, galaxy a12 and a13. long story short: camera is meh, but takes pictures. battery life was always great. more than fast enough for everyday apps, though sometimes annoying with games. headphone jack is always a must for me. fingerprint scanners worked like a charm.... they did everything i needed. so why pay hundreds more, just to get a better camera? ... also, the 3 times shaking to turn on the flashlight on the moto g6 is sorely missed :D

[@frank-bmtz]

The only drawback with the A13 5G (I have one) is the 4GB of ram. It stutters and is slow at times, but it is s very solid phone for the price overall.

[@alanrobertson9790]

I wasn't into smart phones, but apps so prevalent today I felt like a 2nd class citizen. I bought a Nokia G42 5G at £150 which is so functional makes me wonder why someone would pay £1000 for a phone. My guess is its a matter of diminishing returns as you move up market.

[@ryancampbell955]

I've found the G series, mainly the G Stylus series, to be pretty good for the price. My nephew has had two of them over the years. I've been pleasantly surprised by the performance for the price.

[@PinkAgaricus]

I've had my own problem with that model, mostly in regards to the WiFi connectivity. I'm close in range to it, dang it, but when the WiFi receiver on the phone decides to be moody it disconnects from WiFi. There was even times I unlocked into a WiFI disconnected Stylus and had to manually reconnect. It might be just me having bad luck with that model, since the previous 2021 version just gave up and died after a while (battery issue), I think not even half a year later. I have an initial model (2019/2020) that suffered from spicy pillow syndrome, but I think that could be partially due to abuse. I'm still using the working one because the Moto G 5G's screen made me realize how big my hands are, because it made a game I played unplayable, and the stylus' screen is just big enough so that the heels of my hands stay off the screen. That 0.5 of an inch really made a difference. Besides the WiFi problem (possibly isolated), I agree it's great for what it is.

[@justsomeguy5470]

@@PinkAgaricus I've had the same wifi issues

[@zawad420]

The phone in this video is literal dogshit even for the price lmao. There are far better phones at that price.

[@dannyclub09]

They used to be a lot better for the money. I had the original Moto G when it came out and it was the best budget phone on the market by miles.

[@ryancampbell955]

@@dannyclub09 yes, my wife and I had the original Moto G. It was an excellent phone, one of my favorites. My nephew got the Moto G Stylus a couple years ago. He got it unlocked at Best Buy for $179. It was a pretty solid phone, especially for that price. No I don't think they're as good as they used to be, but if you can pick up the Stylus variants for $200 or less, I think they're pretty solid options for that price.

[@joshs3916]

Great review. It’s always a trade off at these price points, but like you said it’s not too bad considering what you get for $169

[@russellchung3119]

Honestly, I think OnePlus and Poco had it right with performance over camera.

[@AponTechy]

It's bad af

[@russellchung3119]

@@brandonchutt312 I agree

[@joshs3916]

@@russellchung3119 Agreed

[@ome8243]

That fingerprint sensor slide to bring the notifications bar down was lit

[@endezeichengrimm]

I'd buy it for the head phone jack alone.

[@GEB_Rosee_PPS]

you can go for moto g73 or 82. theyre like 60usd more expensive, but the quality is waay better. AND they still have headphone jack and sd card slot

[@ddonuts444]

Glad to hear someone finally talk about software updates, it's a huge issue with most modern android phones

[@calebalexander7128]

Yeah, I got the note 8 a couple months after it came out and in 2 years the software updates were already gone. That was part of the reason I switched to an iPhone

[@eulehund99]

@@calebalexander7128 It isn't like this anymore. You get 4 years of software updates and 5 years of security updates from Samsung now.

[@47crazed]

@@eulehund99 it's not just that but also...will app developers support your phone?

[@Alex-uh5qv]

why would someone care about software updates?

[@calebalexander7128]

@@Alex-uh5qv it’s nice to get new features yearly. for Example it would’ve sucked when I got my note to not have gotten the One UI update, it was so much better and added better one handed usability with the big phone

[@bookbagfox]

My mum got a Motorola E7i recently, which is quite similar to the phone in this video. It’s not amazing and it runs Android Go, but it’s wild to me that it’s overall a pretty decent phone for a tenth of what many phones cost these days.

[@biswajitmaharana8929]

Totally agree! Also, if you have the knowledge you can just put custom roms on those 2nd hand flagship phones and you are good to go, they pretty much have endless software support!

[@MrJohn0fficial]

My name 👆

[@ll-WOW-ll]

This phone is horrible. The redmi 11 beats it in everything while only being 18usd more expensive...

[@CodyKloepfer]

@@ll-WOW-ll Issue is, we don’t get the Redmi 11 in the United States. Even if it’s imported, it doesn’t support many of the network bands for any of our carriers.

[@destiny_02]

@@ll-WOW-ll or moto G40 Fusion

[@humanentity2214]

Phone are getting so big. Is there a decent Motorola under $250 and under or around 6 inches?

[@damitdonTV]

I purchased the OnePlus 7 Pro just about a week before the 8 was launched, nearly three years ago. It is still my daily phone. I'd like to upgrade, but at this point there is no reason. Unlike any premium Samsung or HTC I've purchased in years past, this phone is still perfectly viable. Even the battery still holds a charge very much like it did when it was new. No phone I've had previously ever had a battery that performed this well. I read yesterday that OnePlus did announce the end date for 7T and 7 Pro updates. That's really disappointing considering how incredible this phone still performs. Having worked for a major carrier from 2013-2018, I never experienced a phone with this type of longevity (the S4 was close, as I saw that phone still being used over three years after launch). Part of this is due to the rapid rise in mobile tech during those years, but since 2018 that increase in technology hasn't been nearly as steep. I predicted that the 7T and 7 Pro would stand the technology test of time because OnePlus packed this device with tech that other manufacturers hadn't bought into yet; specifically RAM and refresh rate. I guess that bet paid off. I assume I'll be forced to upgrade in the near future and that's a shame. This 7 Pro has been a BOSS and I'll hate to see it go.

[@AKHIL-cg7uo]

Same here bro this is the best phone I ever had and I don't want to let it go mine is going great till now I am only going to buy new one only if this one completely dies

[@coolyou7]

I was in the same boat as you. But unfortunately I had to trade it in recently for the pixel 7 pro. It was recently announced end of life from OnePlus.

[@TheTaekwon3]

I'm still using a note 9

[@tommoex]

The software update should definitely be more of a consideration the more you spend, the ZenFone has only 2 years software updates but I've heard the argument doesn't matter as long as it works but this shouldn't be the case when you're spending that much. It's definitely an important factor but also depends on apple Vs android too, apple could kill off your second hand product if too old too. But the second hand market is definitely a great place to shop.

[@rehanniazi6754]

are software updates really that important? my iphone 6s plus is on ios 13.3 but i always get notifications to update to the new ios

[@Hanschepu]

imma be honest here, I HATE firmware updates, my iPhone 12 still has the firmware it came with - has less features, might be less secure, but it runs as smooth as it did day one. I for a fact know that the day I update this thing itll feel old and slow, like if I could get all the security updates without the shit ton of features that will now make it slow, thatll be awesome not gonna lie.

[@superiortoall22]

@@rehanniazi6754 it’ll help with bugs and flaws in the OS; however what’s really important is the security updates. Motorola does like 2 years or something awful for security so that means your phone is at risk of catching malware.

[@saucyp123]

Really appreciate the environmental benefit of buying second-hand vs new, not a lot of tech channels talk about that!

[@Techmej]

like using an iPad 6 on iPadOS 17 in 2023...like me😅 •$100-160 price •decent display •good build quality & headphone jack •amazing battery life but EXTREMELY slow charging •latest software •functional camera •the slowest thing you can ever think of getting

[@mmorales508]

I’m loving these kind of videos! Kinda tired of “flagships” that have absolutely nothing on them just a display, charging port and body.

[@TheMailman88]

Sometimes newer software has issues older software doesn't. The niche group I'm in, retro game emulation, doesn't want to update software that much because a lot of the newer versions of android messed up scoped storage for the major emulation apps. If retroarch literally can't see files on my sd card, I'm limited to the internal storage, which might be taken up by other things. Android 10 doesn't have this problem, but Android 11 does (or did, I haven't checked for a patch).

[@BigFatCone]

Sure. But there are zero sercurity issues with emulating old games.

[@gurkinik]

I can totally agree with you, I bought a Xiaomi Mi 8 in 2018 which was their flagship at the time and it still holds up today. I had to install LineageOS to get software updates, but now I even got Android 13 and it runs smooth, still takes decent photos and is overall great to use :)

[@navy9498]

Bro can u help me to install custom rom to my redmi note 9

[@edwardbailey1422]

Do all ur banking apps work tho

[@timfop]

I suffered with this phone for a month. DON'T DO IT! It's laggy beyond belief, it can't even keep up with typing out messages. After the second week of owning it apps would start randomly freezing for minutes at a time, and then after they became unfrozen I would get a notification that the app wasn't responding, so even the crash reports were laggy. I found most of the time I was interacting with my phone I was idle waiting for it to launch apps or catch-up. I would say I spent more time on my phone and got less done which is super frustrating.

[@NINA.A.ARTHUR-br6pb]

I own one and it is not true

[@dewaldsteyn1306]

I own one. You got a fake one id say.

[@Karthik9935]

0:27 - Does the “Ehh” after “Good Phones Are Getting Cheap” indicates they aren’t ?

[@a_plastic_bag]

Yes, because the top of the line phones have been getting more expensive, not less

[@dre8811]

Great video! I think you should do more of these: comparing the Nothing phone to a 400 dollar older flagship for example... Would be interested to see that

[@asadfarraj]

I'm using the Moto Edge 20 Pro right now. Gotta say, Moto delivers quite good value, but only above $200 to $600. It seems like that's their sweet spot.

[@srirajdellxps121]

Cause even Samsung sucks at this price segment,

[@welme23]

Second hand phones are a bit of a gamble though, batterylife is an issue on uses phones.