Biking With The Apple Watch Ultra 2

[@RichM3000]

The cycling display is a very good first step, but hopefully Apple will improve on a few basic usability issues. It would be great to be able to do everything from the iPhone and not even have to touch the watch. That way, one could lock the Apple Watch touch screen prior to the ride and be done with it. Also, most people seem to prefer the screen with the speedometer, so why is that screen number 5, and why do we have to swipe over to it every ride? We should be able to choose a default, or at least have it return to the last used screen.

[@mlegrand]

Great suggestions Rich. Hopefully Apple is reading. 👀 Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@Irnbruist]

you know that you can reorder the position of the sceens?

[@RichM3000]

@@Irnbruist How?

[@Irnbruist]

@@RichM3000 in the activities app you have to press the three little dot‘s in outdoor cycle > preferences > workout views > reorder (at the bottom)

[@sascha-lucke]

Cycling RADAR support has to come!

[@mlegrand]

I thought I was the only one. 👍 Come on Apple 🙏

[@sascha-lucke]

@@mlegrand no I love the radar when cycling on the road. Best safety feature ever and worth every penny.

[@mlegrand]

@@sascha-lucke Me too! Hopefully Apple makes it an option.

[@MatthewSpurr]

Your videos are always brilliant! So detailed, accessible and helpful. Thank you Matt.

[@mlegrand]

Wow, thank you so much for the kinds words Matthew! I'll keep making them. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@rogusratus]

Agree completely about the 3 items. Mapping and routing omission is crazy. All of the functions are there. They just need integrating. Regarding radar, I've been using it for years due to hearing difficulties. I have to now decide whether to monitor my brilliant Garmin RCT715 on the Garmin app or look at the mirrored watch workout display. The radar overlay and mapping/routing are the main things I miss about the Garmin Edge - but I still wouldn't go back. Climb information was entertaining but not so critical to me.

[@mlegrand]

Thanks for posting your feedback and experience. I’m a big fan of the radars and I’m glad it’s not 100% locked down to Garmin Edge units. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@yevinn-]

Precision start is while I'll always have an Ultra (unless they bring it to other models) I also hope they bring turn by turn to running / biking

[@mlegrand]

I have no idea why they couldn't bring it to every Apple Watch. 🤷🏻‍♂ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@javieralba3]

Watching and reading all this save me money$$400-900 in buying the Garmin 1040 Solar, all I wanted was. Current speed, calories and distance on my bike rides

[@mlegrand]

Happy to help save money in some small way. I just wish there was a way to show radar data. 🤔

[@benmitchell8796]

Hi, I’ve just bought my first AppleWatch. I do a fare bit of easy Mountain biking. I notice that the data reflected on my iPhone seems to average speed over a long period. For example I can stop, then start riding again and it takes 40-50 meters before a speed is registered and much further before the listed speed is about right. Equally, on a ride that involves many short uphills and downhills the speed listed on the iPhone can be slowing down after I have crested the hill and am accelerating down hill. Also the Heart Rate monitor is slower to react and requires much longer than my previous Polar before it registers a HR increase. Eg I can go up a 40 vertical meter rise and the Apple Watch doesn’t register a heart rate increase until way past the peak, where=-as my Polar gives realtime heart rate.

[@mlegrand]

That's good feedback. Hopefully Apple is reading comments. I'd love to see these device become a bit more reactive. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@frankreyes4]

Very helpful. True, that touchscreen doesn’t work in rain, or when fingers are sweaty

[@mlegrand]

I’ve had a few issues when running in the rain. I’ve lost data. I really need to remember to water lock the screen if it’s at all raining when I’m out there. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@jf5833]

😅 sweaty, smelly fingers … you dirty dog

[@ericmessier877]

Thanks for all the details! I’m really hoping for live turn by turn info for new mtb trails that I ride. Either through apple, strava, or ride with gps on my Apple Watch ultra. Fingers crossed

[@mlegrand]

Trail Forks for Apple Watch Ultra would be 👌🏻 Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@ketle369]

Tried it yesterday. What I do like is the feature to make workouts with warnings if you’re out of zones. What I miss is radar support and navigation.

[@mlegrand]

Exactly!!! Thanks Ketle.

[@ketle369]

@@mlegrand Guess you haven’t tried it but, cross country skiing is really really really bad on Apple Watch. It’s only time and heart rate!!! Apple could simply copied the running activity and renamed it and it would have been amazing, but I guess cross country skiing isn’t a thing in California 😭😂

[@mlegrand]

@@ketle369 - Yeah, I haven't tried it. I'll have a look but hopefully it's something they can work on at some point soon.

[@korsveien]

Rumors that cross country skiing will be updated to show distance in watchOS 11.

[@victoryu7820]

Great production value as always! And more importantly the detail in this is great. So helpful in assessing the Garmin v. Ultra debate at this point and for specific use cases. Thanks Matt!

[@mlegrand]

Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@ScottBaker1]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Maps/navigation and Radar support are my two biggest wish list items for cycling. I REALLY want to just use the apple app, but I use Cadence now because its the only other one (ride with gps) that support the radar.

[@mlegrand]

You are very welcome Scott. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@jarhead4657]

Since he didn’t bother looking Scott you will be glad to know there is an apple watch app for the varia cycling radar.

[@ScottBaker1]

@@jarhead4657 yeah, I'm aware of it, like him., I'd just rather apple support it natively. Lots of nav apps too, but we want it all in one.

[@crowehar]

Garmins and cycling computers are purpose, built tools that remind me of when we used to need dedicated GPS machines in our cars. I recognize their utility for some use cases, but I could never imagine going back to any of those things instead of just using my phone and my Apple Watch for directions and cycling and running. It’s almost like we are back in the iPhone 3G era where we were just between phones and Garmin for navigating because Apple hadn’t figured it out yet fully. I really want to see more of these really cool features that haven’t yet come to the Apple Watch. I just use other apps to help the Apple Watch out in the meantime.

[@mlegrand]

I think you're not alone. Apple seems committed to this space. So we'll see!

[@danielc.8006]

I felt that way until I started going on longer rides and my phone would be practically dead from GPS drain. I got an Edge 840 recently.

[@crowehar]

@@danielc.8006 I just got the phone with the longest lasting battery

[@crowehar]

The 13 Pro Max and the 15 Pro Max can literally go on for days if you need them to.

[@sebmonti5904]

@@danielc.8006are you happy with it ?

[@gerhardw.5978]

Very nice post, Matt. Until Apple hopefully supports bicycle radar, I'll leave my Bryton app (Garmin app) running in the background, which gives me an acoustic alert when a vehicle approaches from behind. In any case, it would be a nice addition to the training app. I'm also eagerly awaiting the mountain details. Have fun practicing sports 😊

[@mlegrand]

Radar support is huge for those of us that use it. I think it'll take Apple a bit of time to really consider how important it is to cyclists. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@AnubhavTyagi]

What’s the battery life like? Can I track a 10hr ride where the GPS ran throughout, and is there a battery saver mode that prioritises tracking over connectivity features and display?

[@mlegrand]

Yes, Apple actually has a few different battery saver modes. There's a basic one that sets GPS tracking to go for about 17 hours and another to make it go even longer. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@crowehar]

Apparently you can just connect your phone to the Garmin Varia RTL515 or The Wahoo ELEMNT RIVAL to get notifications when a car is behind you. You get a really cool visual, as well as audio notification that represents cars coming up behind you and how many they are and how fast they’re coming. I guess you don’t need a cycling computer for that. I might consider one of these but they’re not cheap at around 100 or $200.

[@mlegrand]

Yeah, they're not cheap but it's probably the one device I would recommend to cyclists over others. And yes, you can use your phone with the Varia (or other brand) app open and it'll show traffic. No need for a new cycling computer.

[@victordejesus0996]

I would like to know how I can configure my rim size correctly, because on my bicycle computer it is configured correctly and on the Apple Watch I have a discrepancy of 8 kilometers due to the wheel size configuration, which in my case is a 29 rim. I have already connected my speed sensor on the apple watch and I also selected the size but it simply ignores it, can you tell me how I can solve this problem?

[@mlegrand]

What discrepancy do you see if you don't connect your speed/distance sensor to the Apple Watch? If it's using GPS it should be pretty accurate.

[@Marauder92V]

I’ve been riding for a few weeks with my Ultra 2 and Garmin 1030 both collecting data. The data is comparable with respect to heart rate (Garmin HRM vs. the Ultra), time and distance. I don’t have the pedals, cadence or speed sensor paired with the Ultra, but the end wattage is off by 10 to 15 watts with the Garmin being higher. The Ultra 2 will periodically create laps for some unknown reason. I agree with you 100% on the radar support. I don’t ride without that unit. The Apple also doesn’t support the Garmin integrated headlight and I’m not sure if the pedals can even be paired. And as you mentioned, the climb information is pretty useful, especially when I want to pick a route that will get my wattage up for that ride. My Garmin setup just plain works. Battery life is great and I don’t feel guilty sweating profusely all over the display. 😂

[@mlegrand]

Auto splits every 5 miles maybe? That 1040 is an amazing cycling computer. I did test it when it first came out. It's perfect for longer rides and that large display is great for mapping and routing. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@rafatraczyk3127]

Hey Matt, I have a question if you know if there is an option in the Apple Watch Ultra to mount it on the steering wheel and train as it is the case, for example, with Garmin watches. Some do not need a metre and there are watch holders on the market that can be removed from your hand and put on the steering wheel. I tried to do this, but unfortunately the watch stopped training all the time. I don't know if you can turn off this option somewhere and, for example, set the display so that it doesn't go out after a few seconds during training. Greetings

[@mlegrand]

If there is a setting for something like that, I haven't seen it. It be interesting to see Apple partner with a mounting company to make something like that. Come on Apple!!! Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@crowehar]

Really fantastic video as always!

[@mlegrand]

Thanks again! I really appreciate all the support Crowehar!

[@FrancescoRomiti]

Good points, but the features I miss the most are automatic live tracking and integration with e-bikes.

[@mlegrand]

Good call Francesco. I have this feeling that Apple could make it happen. We’ll see. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@rudyelizondo1935]

My garmin died and all I use is my Apple Watch nine. It would be nice to get a tub graphic map and turn by turn on my Apple Watch. But it won’t stop me from riding.

[@mlegrand]

Awesome Rudy, glad it isn’t keeping you from riding. Hopefully Apple continues to improve. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@steveudriot4806]

Can the Ultra2 take into account information from the app e-tube ride and would it help to be more precise on the measured power?

[@mlegrand]

Not that I know of. That's a separate app and the info seems siloed within that app.

[@xmateinc]

I have a bosch powered ebike with the Nyon display unit. The amount of info it gives me off the charts. I use strava to record my rides and Komoot for navigation, since it talks to me thru my air pods. Plus the Nyon display has gps navigation built right in. So for me the Ultra is more then enough.

[@mlegrand]

That sounds like an awesome set up. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@mlegrand]

That's a great setup. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@xmateinc]

@@mlegrand I ended up with the Epix as my adventure watch. The Ultra was not really up to multi day tours. It’s a great daily driver for work, but for adventures, I’ll stick with my EPIX.

[@mlegrand]

@@xmateinc - Awesome! How long ago did you buy the Epix? (just asking because Garmin just had an announcement)

[@xmateinc]

@@mlegrand last December. So not gonna get the new Fenix, even though it looks great!

[@bonn1771]

Agree with what is needed for climb details Wish it was ant+ for radar Happy training

[@mlegrand]

I think Ant+ is a non starter for Apple. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@bonn1771]

@@mlegrand 965 or Felix 8 for me once my Felix 3 goes away

[@mikemellone7337]

This is my first time on your channel. I'm a cyclist and appreciate this type of review. One question I have it upon completion of a workout with AW2 can you upload the ride to Strava, Garmin Connect or Training Peaks?

[@mlegrand]

Yes, you can upload rides/workouts to Strava and Training Peaks but not Garmin Connect. I guess technically you can export out a .fit file from the iPhone with an app like 'HealthFit' (which I love) and then import the workout into Garmin Connect. It's just not automatic which makes it a bit frustrating.

[@melpressler]

I use the Garmin 945 for Tri training but love my Apple Watch for daily wear but miss the accurate health metrics Garmin provides when not being able to continuously wear one watch. Have you done a 70.3 or 140.6 with the Ultra or do you think it can live up to Garmin for these distances? I am considering the Ultra 2 as 1 watch to wear. Thanks!

[@mlegrand]

There's basically two battery saver modes. The basic one will set up the AWU to go 17 hours. Or the exact time allotted for an Ironman. I know this probably isn't what you'll want to hear but if I were up for a full Ironman, I'd probably stick with something like a 965 over the AWU. Or continue switching back and forth like you're doing. It's not ideal but at least you're getting the best of both worlds. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@protonjicari5990]

I cycle daily in the morning before going to work. My work is just a few block away btw. I would prefer an smart watch rather than Garmin.

[@mlegrand]

I suspect that you are not alone. The Apple Watch (or in this case the AW Ultra 2) is much more of a smart watch than anything Garmin offers. In this video I was hoping to point out a few cycling specific features that others may or may not care about when biking with this device. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@grgolds]

Hey Matt - really appreciate these videos. Can you do one on Apple Watch and Training Peaks structured workout integration?

[@mlegrand]

I'll see what I can do. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment GrGolds. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@Garychamp18]

I don't believe the Apple Watch is capable of integrating Training Peaks workouts into the native workouts app yet on the watch? I could be wrong but there does not seem to be any option to do this. I think this may be on Training Peaks end. Would love to see this up and running.

[@mlegrand]

@@Garychamp18 - Yeah, I haven’t been able to get this working yet. I’m guessing it’ll be a bit tricky for Training Peaks to use Apple’s new API. We’ll see. I’ll probably post something about it when it comes out.

[@JeremyDawesJezweb]

All day battery is a big plus and the accuracy. I think if there was something like a 2-3in screen that would work as the headset mirror and if it would pull segment maps and info from Strava that would be neat.

[@mlegrand]

Yeah, I suspect that Apple will take on some sort of mapping solution for cycling in the near future. We'll see. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@knutbk]

@@mlegrand unsure if this is where @jeremydawesjezweb was going with this, but let’s imagine a future Apple Vision (not Pro) Cycle that provides a HUD for your POC helmet, ala the old Garmin and lesser known devices.

[@crowehar]

I really appreciate your thoughtful videos! Apple should use these to make the Apple Watch and iPhone experience better!

[@mlegrand]

Hopefully they're watching! Thank you!

[@tomwong5801]

Such a great in-depth review for a specific use case. Good to know all these little details, which altogether can set reasonable expectations before one spends $1000+ CAD for this device. Thanks as always

[@mlegrand]

Glad it was helpful! $1000 is a big investment. I think it's nice that you're doing a little bit of research on the product. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@julienguillemin349]

Thank you for the video Matt! I really like your content 🙂 What’s your experience with the battery life of the Apple Ultra Watch when cycling ? Did you use it for long rides (5-6h or even more) ?

[@mlegrand]

I haven’t done any mega long rides with the AWU but it can go for a pretty long ways. There are also different low power modes. The basic one allows the AWU to go about 17 hours.

[@julienguillemin349]

@@mlegrand Great! Thank you for your answer :)

[@sleepdeprived9181]

I tend to use my Ultra because it tracks everything. But not willing to use it as my turn by turn guide. So i still bring my Wahoo

[@mlegrand]

I’m a big fan of Wahoo cycling computers. Good call. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@culleysmith]

Great coverage. I only recently got into (kick) biking after years of being an ultramarathon enthusiast. I have owned 3 Garmin watches and now the Apple Watch Series 8. I've had the Apple Watch for less than a year and it is definitely missing some of the functionality I am used to from Garmin. However, I am also tired of "gas'ing" and I feel like Garmin forces me into more purchase updates than Apple does. I purchased a Quad Lock and plan to use that for my iPhone on my kick bike. For battery life, I have plenty of portable batteries, so I can toss one in a weatherproof bar bag (or my bar mitts as winter is approaching) which should help with battery life on longer tours. Then, I can run navigation in parallel with the Apple fitness app. Sure I have to switch between screens, but I can at least monitor my pace, heart rate (I use a Bluetooth HRM strap from Garmin that connects to the watch) and get turn-by-turn navigation to both my watch and phone.

[@culleysmith]

I am experimenting with an app called Footpath to build routes and use my watch/phone for navigation... until Apple Watch does that natively.

[@mlegrand]

Let me know what you think of Footpath Culley! Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@bsmukler]

Although I have a Garmin Edge, I have been using my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 along with my Epix Pro, and not the Edge, to compare the data. I’ve used Garmin devices (Forerunners, Tactix, Fenix, and now the new Epix Pro ) for many years and am very used to all the data Garmin Connect generates. I’m having fun with the AWU2, and have added a few of the suggested apps, such as WorkOutDoors and Athlytic. I do wish the Watch collected more data, though, similar to Garmin Connect. Also, as you mentioned, the screen technology is not as advanced as Garmin’s. I use Garmin motorcycle GPS devices, and they work flawlessly in inclement weather conditions, and even work with thick leather gloves. I like the overall functionality of the AWU2 and will keep it, but likely also continue to wear the Epix Pro in order to keep the Garmin Connect data up to date. [Garmin recently switched to two-factor identification when adding EKG functionality and so RunGap will not import Apple or WorkOutDoors data.]

[@mlegrand]

That Epix Pro is an amazing watch. I love the flashlight. Sounds like you have the best of both worlds currently. We'll see what comes along next from these two. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@korsveien]

I think the watch actually collects the data, but the api connection doesn’t read and transfer them. On Strava it’s an issue on both cycling and running and it’s Stravas fault.

[@knutbk]

Could never get away from Garmin's ecosystem because my training requires relatively spot-on GPS accuracy. Wanted the smartwatch features of Apple for years, but without capability to connect to BT devices, and utilize power meter metrics, I continued upgrading through the Epix2 until AWU2 announced. I'm a month in, and many rides, including some over 60 miles, and cannot see a reason to go back to Garmin. Note, I generally dual-track with my Hammerhead Karoo2 which allows me to utilize the Vario radar device.

[@mlegrand]

Why does your training require spot on GPS? Just curious. But I agree that the AWU can provide some really good GPS accuracy. I'd be very interested to see what they could do with a few key software updates for cyclists. It could get interesting. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@knutbk]

@@mlegrand Accuracy is important when I do any run or bike workout that includes distance-based intervals. My workouts adjust automatically based on how well I perform each and if my distance/time is off, the AI training engine will throw off subsequent workouts. Besides just being a much more aesthetically pleasing watch, the AWU has so many apps that integrate with my iPhone apps, from opening my garage doors when I return from a ride, to responding to text messages and making calls. I just couldn't make the leap to an Apple Watch until I saw you and DCR and others pique my interest about new functionality with the Ultra 1.

[@knutbk]

Need a bike mount for Apple Watch Ultra (2), ideally with capacity to charge while mounted.

[@mlegrand]

I haven’t seen anything amazing yet. Keep me posted on what you find or rig up. 👌

[@knutbk]

Only thing I've seen is from Velocycling (or something akin to that) but they appear to have gone OOB in the last year. Can't even find anything a solution the junk sites (TEMU, Ali(Express), etc) Ripe for some enterprising 3D printer guru. I'll keep ya posted when I come across a solution. @@mlegrand

[@BarrySchiebel]

I have a Garmin cadence sensor 2 that as expected was easy to set up and pair with my Apple watch ultra 2. Function was also as expected…EXCEPT…when you stop pedaling and the sensor continues to average thus creating an average cadence number that is basically useless. Garmin cadence sensors/Edge computers used to do the same thing but have long ago been adjusted to average only while pedaling. Don’t know if Apple or Garmin needs to address this or if someone has an alternative solution…

[@mlegrand]

Great observation. Seems like it'd be an easy fix if someone at Apple took a look. Hopefully it's fixed in a dot release update. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@korsveien]

Agree. Cycling radar and maps would make me switch over instead of upgrading my Wahoo.

[@mlegrand]

That’d be amazing. 🤞

[@jobl1978]

Electronic gear shifting support (AXS, Di2) should also be implemented

[@mlegrand]

Great point! 👌

[@BryanMLong]

Great video. Can you walk us through your thoughts on the Strava integration? For example if you are using Strava for the ride, can the watch give turn-by-turn directions?

[@mlegrand]

Not that I'm aware of. You could use the normal maps app on the watch to generate turn by turn directions. I've done that pretty often and it works ok. I think the Strava WatchOS app just relays the activity tracker from your phone from what I can tell. Strava can import activities from the health app on your phone but to me it doesn't feel as simple and automatic as the way a Garmin would integrate with Strava.

[@amark8654]

Which speed and cadence sensor does Apple Watch support best for indoor cycling? I have a Triban road bike and planning to buy the Inride 500 fluid. Please help as I’m planning to buy a Garmin speed sensor 2 and Garmin cadence sensor 2

[@mlegrand]

The Garmin ones are the ones I was going to recommend although, I haven't tried them with the Apple Watch. My power meter sends that data. 🤷‍♂️

[@amark8654]

Do I need any watch actually? Can the sensors connect directly to the Garmin app on my iPhone and send data?

[@Barabingbaraboom1]

Do you ride with it on your wrist or mounted to the bike? To me it seems like a serious advantage to have your navigation and other data where you need it without having to let go of the handles. If you mount to the bars you will not get heart rate (not from the watch anyway). I have both an old Wahoo Bolt and an AWU2 and I imagine I will continue riding with the Bolt but perhaps I am missing something.

[@mlegrand]

I wear it on my wrist. If you are using maps, it’ll give you that haptic buzz when turns are coming up. But I prefer a cycling computer on my handle in addition to the watch. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@dlochs]

The map integration is very much needed! otherwise I can only use the app once out of every 4 rides. (meaning I will not switch over)

[@mlegrand]

Good call dlochs! Stick with what works for you. 👍

[@TZCJames]

Another awesome & informative video!

[@mlegrand]

Thanks so much James!!!

[@NerdTouchingGrass]

i wish it had an ebike profile for when im on my commuter like garmin does

[@mlegrand]

Good suggestion!!!

[@pete1927]

Can the ultra broadcast heart to a Garmin/wahoo bike computer?

[@mlegrand]

No it can not. It has it's own broadcasting data format that is compatible with some gym equipment (Peloton for example)

[@pete1927]

@@mlegrand cheers mate, top vlog!

[@revco196]

Strava support. Can I upload my ride to Strava or does Apple not like sharing your data?

[@mlegrand]

Nope, you can upload ride data to Strava. So at least Apple is open to sharing some stuff. 🤷‍♂️

[@korsveien]

Strava upload works but it uploads total time and not active time. It’s Strava API that’s the issue.

[@_msc-ds9sj]

Integration to a bike computer would be essential, even if just pulse broadcasting as 1st iteration. And an iPhone mini. I never would carry my big and heavy iPhone Mac with the expensive case for cycling...

[@mlegrand]

I’ve used my iPhone Pro as a cycling computer a bit. It’s ok. I think one issue is heat and another would be killing its battery. A dedicated cycling computer takes care of those issues. But at an additional price. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@alanfabricio_]

i'd like to have the possibility to sync apple watch heart rate to my garmin edge. use my apple watch as my heart rate sensor on my garmin edge.

[@mlegrand]

That would be nice. It seems like Apple should broadcast HR data in the standard format but I don't think they do. It's frustrating but you could get a very cheap chest strap that would do better than any optical HR sensor. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@alanfabricio_]

@@mlegrand yeah , Apple should broadcast The HR in standard. I dont link chest strap, só Wendy riding a bike I use my garmin 945 and Edge.

[@dimitraroth]

Is the FTP only available on the ultra?

[@mlegrand]

No I’m pretty sure that’s available on WatchOS 10. That OS works on Series 4 and above. 👌 Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@MonchiDiaz11]

I have used both Apple and Garmin devices to track my cycling activities. The #1 problem I see with Apple is having your phone mounted to your bike absorbing all the vibrations and at a big risk of braking if you happen to fall--your phone is more important and expensive than any cycling computer. The 2nd issue is battery. Apple watches need to be charged daily and if you use your phone as a cycling computer and/or GPS device, you'll drain half the battery on a single ride. At least that's my experience and that's why I switched to Garmin. The best from Apple is that you can just use your current phone and watch instead of buying specific equipment.

[@mlegrand]

100% agree. Cycling computers are purpose built devices with better durability and longer battery life. But for those people who wouldn't ever consider a cycling computer, this is an interesting option. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@korsveien]

Battery normally lasts ten hours with Ultra riding and listening to music or podcast. I never do rides longer than 4-5 hours. 7 hours is the longest. That leaves me 50 - 30 percent left. I charge my phone and watch almost every day anyway so it’s not really a big problem for most people.

[@PinoyBaldStacker]

Which begs the question whats the best, minimum watch for a novice cycler

[@mlegrand]

Maybe something like the Garmin Forerunner 55 although they've got to be thinking about making something like the FR 65 some time soon. 🤷‍♂️ But an Apple Watch SE would also be accurate and be able to do a lot of the same features that I mentioned here in this video. 👌 Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@Motoring333]

I have read somewhere that mounting the phone on ur bicycle permanently damages the image stabilisation. Anyone can confirm ? Or anyone has experienced ?

[@mlegrand]

I can not confirm but it sounds like a real issue. I'm guessing it'll largely depend on which iPhone you have and it's image stabilization. So far everything is ok with my iPhone 14 Pro. 🤔

[@siestofiore]

for me as an average joe it will be ok i think :) i wait for the watch X or my garmin 955 will stay by my side.

[@mlegrand]

I’ll be very curious to see what Apple does for the AW X or 10 or whatever they end up calling it. 🤔

[@fraho6431]

What’s missing is a proper bike navigation that can be put on the handlebar. I don’t want to put my iPhone on the handlebar.

[@mlegrand]

I don't think you're alone. I was talking about this on my cycling podcast and there was a few of us that felt an iPhone on the handlebar wasn't a great look for the bike. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@xmateinc]

The navigation works fine for me having it on my wrists. It pairs with my air pods. Plus I have a bosch powered ebike with a Nyon display. I get way more stats then apple gives me, and my Apple Watch syncs with the bosch motor.

[@marcsroberts]

One year later, all points against are still the main things holding me back. Anyone thumbing their nose at radars should be ignored.

[@mlegrand]

Yeah, radars are one of the only products that I really push hard for people to pick up on this channel. They’re fantastic and I really don’t like riding on the roads without them these days. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@marcsroberts]

@ it feels unsafe riding without one, especially in our times of increasing hostility towards cyclists 😟

[@TheKitchenTechnician]

I want a cycling computer that tracks all my health aspects too.

[@mlegrand]

Seems like watches do a bit better job when it comes to that. You can do some integration of total health metrics when using a Garmin cycling computer and Garmin watch. 🤷‍♂️

[@AlbaTech]

All good points - especially about navigation. But what holds me back from using my iPhone as a cycling computer is battery life. I like knowing my phone is in my jersey pocket using minimal power all day incase of an emergency late into a long ride.

[@mlegrand]

Yes, I agree. This set up might work for shorter rides, 1-2 hours but not for others, 5-6 hours. 🤷‍♂️

[@DerNeddeMann]

It's pretty solid for me as the iPhone really is just a display and most of the computation happens on the watch (which can last easy for a long ride). If I want to save some phone battery I end up putting the lock screen on, but yeah it's not the same experience as with a good Garmin in case that is a requirement :)

[@Nedbruce]

I got a fantastic bike light which also enables you to have a small USB coming out of the back of the rechargeable light to power my iPhone on longer rides

[@RS-gj1im]

I must say I am disappointed with Apple with respect to tracking sports such as running and cycling. It was announced as something huge by Apple but it is just below market standard. If you want to have full access to the data and want to have specific metrics and analysis then you might need to consider switching to Garmin. I miss for instance the ability to see and hear plot all available data. For example, I have some powermeters in both pedals. Therefore, I would be able to see the power readings for both legs. However, Apple does not allow to do that in order to identify any imbalances between the legs. Also the revolution speed is tracked by the powermeters but again Apple is not allowing to access this.

[@mlegrand]

Yeah, the companies that have played in this detailed sports metric market have a big head start on Apple. It’ll be interesting to see if Apple can catch up. 👌

[@korsveien]

Apple has made a smartwatch with very good features for sport. Dedicated devices will always be better. An issue is also different APIs that don’t read and transfer all the data from the Apple Watch. ❤

[@RS-gj1im]

⁠@@korsveienThis is probably the most significant issue of Apple that they do not openly share information regarding their APIs. This prevents often innovations of third party Apps.

[@donbethel7675]

I think that this set up is great for cycling in the fact that most people bring their phone with them on a ride. And if you have an Apple Watch , you're more than likely wearing it most of the time. So the heart rate monitors, and cycling computers , become useless weight when on a ride. I'm currently using this setup, and it provides more than enough data between the two devices while on the ride, and after when checking the metrics. The things that's amazing about this, is that I was cycling with an Apple Watch SE and of course I was bring my iPhone XR. Then I updated them and now I have a fully capable cycling computer, that's downloads itself to my apple health app, and fitness apps. To go a different route to achieve this would have costed me hundreds. Apple is just getting started!

[@mlegrand]

I agree, feels like they’re just getting started. I am very interested to see where things go for Apple on the cycling side of things. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@danielcable5363]

Great discussion Matt and thank you. Sorry if I missed it but I am a Garmin user and love my Apple Watch ultra but I really wish the ultra would broadcast to the Garmin for heart rate? Again sorry if i missed but this is a huge need for me and hope that it comes soon. Thanks

[@mlegrand]

Nope, that's a great call. As far as I know, the Apple Watch doesn't broadcast heart rate in the normal protocol style for heart rate sensors. Seems like an easy fix. 😬 Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@noahmeineke]

interesting you claim the AWU under-estimates your ftp. It has, so far, over estimated mine by about 50W. 317 vs 266 via 20 min TT power (.95). Go figure.

[@mlegrand]

I'm sure it will continue to refine with more and more data but I wonder if Apple needs to review this algorithm a bit. 50 watts is pretty far off. Thanks for posting this Noah!

[@korsveien]

3:33 FTP is more accurate now.

[@mlegrand]

That’s awesome news!!!

[@pavan20100611]

Great Video as always , Matt. Nice one. Turn by turn, rerouting in maps is something I wish Apple brings it for running/hiking as well (Or Garmin brings cellular support as good as it is in Apple Watch so that we ditch Apple Watch). Whenever I seriously consider to migrate to Garmin, I bump into a video on KZbin telling why Apple Watch is better option than Garmin & I drop the idea. And had anyone told you that frequency of you uploading video on KZbin has reduced? Couple of months ago, it used to be every Sunday almost :) :) Keep them coming. Take Care, Matt.

[@mlegrand]

I'm pretty steady at about one video per week. I'd love to do more but I also coach a big cross country team in the fall. It's almost over!!! 👍 As far as Garmin goes, I do think it would be worth a consideration if you were ok without cellular support and all the smart watch features. They do make a solid sports watch. Just lacks a bit on the smart watch side. Thanks Pavan!

[@mlegrand]

I hope so too. Garmin did announce a new Fenix watch. My review is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y53JYZdqjcairKMsi=YrbrmkAbNxT9-59E I do think my upload frequency has reduced. I was about once a week and now I'm maybe once every two weeks. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@hehehe5635]

Awesome video! Well done 😉

[@mlegrand]

Thank you!

[@vpnconsult]

It's just more an extension to an iPhone then a sportwatch.

[@mlegrand]

True but I will say that when you're using the iPhone as a cycling computer, the gps data is come from the watch. Battery life is conserved on the phone because GPS sucks the life out batteries although that always on display can also drain battery. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Hope all is well with you!

[@ShervinShares]

call this a movie

[@mlegrand]

But does it need a better thumbnail? Either way, thank you for the kind words Shervin! I'm a huge of you, your channel and everything you're doing over there at @ShervinShares 👏🏻

[@ShervinShares]

@@mlegrand yes thumbnail is took dark, text too thin. if i blink i don't know what the thumbnail is

[@mlegrand]

@@ShervinShares - Changing it ASAP 👌🏻

[@wenlambotomy6231]

Apple underestimates FTP and overestimates calories burned.

[@mlegrand]

Sadly, I think you're right. 😬

[@braddavister137]

I think if you look at the move ring then yes Apple greatly overestimates calories burned because it combines exercise and base calories burned together. Between a chest strap, a garmin and the ultra they are very close on calories burned per workout in my opinion.

[@markkellett2879]

As far as I can tell Apple Watch does not support speed meters so you only get GPS speed.

[@mlegrand]

Thanks for posting this Mark!

[@BarvicutesTV]

@11:52.... what keeps amateur athletes from getting Apple Watch for cycling is its PRICE.

[@mlegrand]

Good call @BarvicutesTV. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@korsveien]

It’s sold 7 million Garmin devices a year. That’s all gps devices not only cycling. It’s sold 40 million Apple Watch’s a year! The idea is to give these people a good cycling computer in a smart watch. So it’s an added benefit, don’t think anyone would buy Apple Watch and iPhone instead of a dedicated cycling computer.

[@FacundoGonzalezFigueroa]

Bike workout programs...

[@mlegrand]

My video today talks about importing bike workouts from Training Peaks onto the Apple Watch. Maybe that’s something you’d be interested in?

[@FacundoGonzalezFigueroa]

@@mlegrand Yes, form other platforms too. Like TrainerRoad, Wahoo Systm, Strava . Thanks!!

[@lais898]

Still not there for cycling only folks

[@mlegrand]

It could happen with a few serious software updates. It has potential. 🤔 Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@lais898]

I'm excited to see what they come up with next! @@mlegrand

[@sleepdeprived9181]

Cycling radar is the most useless device for me in my opinion. It is safe to assume there are cars behind you instead of assuming are alone on the road. And definitely cars will let you know about their presence before the radar does.

[@mlegrand]

Have you used a cycling radar? They’re fantastic.

[@sleepdeprived9181]

@@mlegrand No , but I researched so much about it because I was thinking of buying one. In a densely populated city where I live with cars everywhere, it doesnt serve a purpose because it will just constantly warn me. Which why I said, just assume cars are behind you.

[@mlegrand]

@@sleepdeprived9181 - They’re hard in cities but I love having one. 👌🏻

[@sleepdeprived9181]

@@mlegrand fair enough

[@crowehar]

Part of me kind of likes the idea of a radar to know when a car is coming up behind me, but because I bike in the city, it would just be going off nonstop so I’m not really sure I would get any utility out of it. Maybe if I were biking more in the suburbs or the country it would be more helpful. I just get used to listening for when cars are coming. I try to be predictable to cars and I stay in my lane while being aware of my surroundings. My AirPods Pro two with adaptive audio are pretty good at letting enough of the right audio in for me to know when the car is coming.