MLM TOP FAILS #32 | Monat rep addressing people who have quit, recruiting training call

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[@nes4348]

Ex market partner here.....I'm not missing s!@$% except some hair that I want back.

[@bonniehowell9206]

Lol. This comment should get pinned.

[@HannahAlonzo]

@@bonniehowell9206 Request granted 💫

[@estephanabossolono4893]

10:20 minutes in...hit the nail on the head as the WHY I quit Monat as an MP, and the hair loss. I have thinner hair than what I started with, years after my cancer treatments (from 2009-2010). All the hair I had, and lost half of it.

[@colleencarpenter1200]

@@estephanabossolono4893 oh my gosh...I would be soooooooo upset! Lost all my hair from chemo too..10 yrs ago...to lose it again???? Ah hell no Hope you are doing well

[@carmelle4ever]

I feel so bad for all you guys that had to deal with this. I hope MONAT gets what's coming to them!

[@tcort]

If it was really about selling products and not about recruiting (ie not a pyramid scheme) they would be happy that people quit because the market would be less saturated.

[@HannahAlonzo]

THIS! 🙌🏻

[@ozmathegreatand]

Eloquently put!

[@smartanajones4u]

Excellent point!

[@lacedhexes]

Exactly. I said the same thing to a friend who was pitching me this "opportunity". If it's a selling business, why is your aim to increase the competition?

[@hailey1011]

“YOU’RE A COWARD anyways love you byeee” um what 😂

[@samanthaquant7411]

Before I joined Mary Kay: “the products sell themselves!” After I joined: “you have to WORK for it”

[@LyssaLu4]

"I'm an AED" My healthcare-working self thought this lady was calling herself an Automatic External Defibrillator. Maybe she'll teach her downline a CPR class next.

[@joyfuljaj]

same!

[@Peaches_H_Nyce]

Can't imagine what the name Cirissa evoked lol

[@christinabrenneman7641]

😂😂😂 your comment made my day!

[@twinaquapisces]

Even teaching them cpr won't resuscitate their "careers" in the company 🤷‍♀️

[@emo7636]

I thought the same thing and I'm not even in Healthcare, I work on-board airplanes haha.

[@YuhimeScorpio]

I just loooove when they say that your husband, your children and your problems are distractions. When I was recruited into an MLM I was told I can do this while taking care of my small children, cause it's so easy for young mothers to add it to their day schedule. Then when I was in, and love-bombing phase was over, all I was hearing was: you can't use your children as an excuse, you have to attend a meeting/call/training session, leave them with grandparents, get a nanny! Then when I kept putting my children first I was told I'm never going to be "successful" cause I'm not working hard enough. Oh sweet Odin! I have to write down my horror story and send it to you.

[@laurarauhauser2350]

Same! I would give anything to have those years back! Please, mama's, DON'T get sucked into this nonsense...😥

[@YuhimeScorpio]

@@laurarauhauser2350 I know, right? No one will give you back those days and months and years. Someone could say - but what about some regular job that was awful, and you had had bad experience? Well, regular job gives you regular pay, social security/health care, it counts to your retirement and you can still present it as actual work experience in your CV, and you can still try finding better job.

[@thefaceofinsecurity]

They’re a distraction yet they’re the reason you’re doing the MLM? Make it make sense

[@parentingadabsurdum]

Yeah you do!!!

[@HannahAlonzo]

Yes please send it!

[@AllLifeIsTravesty]

_"Breaking you into the person you're meant to be."_ Zeke heard that Abuse 101 line and came in to say something about it.

[@stephaniethesoprano]

I'm 2 years late to this video but this is the line that grosses me out the most. She really said the quiet part out loud. "Breaking"? So she's admitting to literally breaking people into the person SHE thinks they should be? How disgusting.

[@suyang4505]

Lol getting a steady paycheck is framed as “instant gratification”! The denial and disassociating narrative are next level.

[@2446Ann]

"I'm here to remind you that you left something good behind" OR "No one will ever love you like I do", says the controlling abuser.

[@awesome_artemis6710]

MLMs are using so many tactics from a narcissists playbook- the gaslighting, the love bombing, manipulations. It's very scary.

[@skinsey85]

Seriously! It's totally abuser rhetoric.

[@khaleesireyna731]

No wonder I got shades of living with my toxic family when I heard that. Like when she said that, I was just like "no thanks, if I wanted to be gaslit and told I'm not good enough, I'd have stayed around my family".🤣

[@MadisonFalco]

Literally I can’t believe she said that with a happy face

[@parentingadabsurdum]

Not only was she anti-mlm before she started, but she “thought shampoo was dumb.” That’s a new one!

[@whitneyr.846]

Hun: If time and money were no longer an issue, what would you do with your life? Me: commit to introduce and pass legislation that makes MLMs illegal and classified as fraud under the federal penal code.

[@timriehl1500]

Amen. From your lips to God's ears. I can't understand why they are legal.

[@whitneyr.846]

@@timriehl1500 lobbiest

[@Alyse_bell]

@@whitneyr.846 yep, that and politicians that care more about getting re-elected and money then they do about their constituents.

[@lhia0416]

“Because selling shampoo on Instagram is embarrassing!" I died. 😂

[@k_leeanne]

I just kept hearing “ONLY YOU can prevent forest fires” 😂

[@HannahAlonzo]

Oh my gosh a few other people said this too! 😂

[@christinabrenneman7641]

Same here!😂

[@kairitetra]

I'm so glad it wasn't just me lol

[@jenniferrobinson1006]

I said this out loud!! 😂😂😂

[@julia_cat6]

I love how all these MLM boss babes say they have "nothing against 9-5 jobs" then immediately list everything they have against 9-5 jobs in an incredibly condescending, passive aggressive way.

[@RoscoeWasHere]

God I hate consistent paychecks. Literally the worst thing.

[@hollyharakaly1898]

I love the repeated “Why did you leave?” On the top of the 10 Reasons: “1. Upline is manipulative, insulting and completely out of touch with reality.”

[@DG_212]

She proposes 50 reasons for why her audience quit, yet somehow doesn’t include the one that is most obvious: “I wasn’t making any money / enough money to justify the hours I worked”? Seriously. She’s essentially promoting the sunk cost fallacy as the right thing to follow. Yep - she’s desperate.

[@HannahAlonzo]

Yuppppp! So true!

[@timriehl1500]

"Because selling shampoo online is embarrassing" LOL I laughed my butt off when you said that. I would not want to answer, "So, what do you do?" with, "Well, I make the world better by selling shampoo."

[@sunnyscott4876]

LOL I would respond by saying "Sometimes I use Dawn dishwashing liquid when I run out of shampoo...and I never have to order it online!" 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@AshaGlenn]

She doesn’t realize that she’s literally teaching people to be narcissistic. The pretending to be interested and mirroring of emotions…all narcissist tools.

[@yolandaponkers1581]

Right? It sort of reminds me of the strategies lawyers use in the courtroom to break people down for their own gain. It’s so slimy.

[@eighthdoctor]

Yep and these 'companies' are also teaching people to leave all their morals at the door.

[@dahliacheung6020]

@@yolandaponkers1581 I really don't mind prosecuting lawyers using these techniques to get the jury on their side when something happens that prevents the convicting evidence from being admitted at a serious (murder/assault/ etc) trial but they know for certain the accused is guilty.

[@khaleesireyna731]

@@dahliacheung6020 but do they actually know for certain? The whole point of the trial IS to prove the accused guilt in a court of law. If the evidence that is the so-called "smoking gun" and would 100% prove your case is deemed inadmissible, why exactly was that? What holes could be poked in that cincher piece of evidence? The point of a criminal trial is to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt". If your evidence is called into question and the best you can do is use emotional manipulation techniques that MLM huns learn how to use, is your case 100% for certain and are you REALLY that good a lawyer?

[@JustMe-rm2pw]

bro there’s no way you’re saying this when there are literally rape cases where the rapist gets off with nothing or very light sentences because going to jail would hurt their athletic career. Let’s not pretend like if someone is guilty they get jail time 💀

[@erinw8787]

Leaving an MLM is the exact opposite of giving up on yourself or being a coward . To make the decision to love and honour yourself enough to believe that you should be paid for your time no matter where you are in the business or on the ladder is NOT giving up on yourself . There are many people higher up than me in my work place , because of their education and experience and yes they are paid more than me . But I still get paid ! I don’t have to work relentlessly for free until I’m at a certain point in my field to be paid . That mlm logic is insane .

[@HannahAlonzo]

Yes to all of this Erin!!

[@melissaj1310]

One more time for the people in the back!!!

[@RyleeCoyote13]

It will never not blow my freaking MIND that they get away with pulling this manipulative bullsh×t to recruit someone, and then weeks- sometimes *days* later- turning around and telling these same recruits HOW TO MANIPULATE potential new recruits by telling them a step by step on how they themselves were manipulated! 🤯

[@golddragonette7795]

And that so many people don't recognise it's exactly the same thing!

[@lexwithbub]

Yeah, but "it's not about manipulating people" 😂😂😂 It's line the pyramid scheme version of "I'm not racist, but..." - "it's not about manipulating people, but here's how to manipulate people!"

[@cecarea6887]

😂

[@lane6216]

She imagines this scenario where people are watching her do well, and wondering how to be like her. Then she fills in all the blanks with her own pretend conversation. Then, she projects that they have insecurities, and that’s the main reason they couldn’t be successful like her, whilst she spends the entire video putting them down. Oh my god. The psychology is fascinating!

[@HannahAlonzo]

I think you just blew my mind!

[@melparchment1851]

This is spot on. It’s so condescending! And throwing in the whole “we all have the same 24 hours in a day!!!” is just icing on the trashpile 🙄

[@BedeSisters]

“Pretend conversation” is a perfect description of this.

[@lucienelson]

Your supposed to go back at least 12 times. The likelihood of getting a yes increases. I was a licensed AFLAC insurance agent. I hated it. Cuz when someone said no I took it as a no. I never went back. Funny thing, I was awarded to sales agent my first quarter. I stayed for exactly two years to the day. Just to make sure I don’t have another one year job on my resume 😂. My last month I made $7000 the last day of work. 😅 I couldn’t wait to skedaddle!😂

[@lucienelson]

Another word for”edify” is “indoctrinate”

[@G-L-O-R-I-A]

Chelsea's a spicy queen, whereas Hannah's a sweet Disney princess. They're both entertaining and both have a place in this world. They are not the same, though.

[@workingoutslayer]

If you watched Chelsea's video responding to an mlm leader calling her out directly, she is now QUEEN OF THE COUCH PEOPLE. I am totally a couch person.

[@G-L-O-R-I-A]

@@workingoutslayer Same.

[@holliegriffin5361]

How can you infer that people are lazy while simultaneously complaining that people have three jobs and aren’t doing Monat full-time? I hate that she says that quitting Monat is the same as quitting on yourself. Victimising people then saying they aren’t a victim. Maybe if people think you’re rude, you are? Argh, so condescending and manipulative. No wonder people left!

[@HannahAlonzo]

Yes yes exactly! I feel like I have whiplash, so many contradictions!

[@carolinapecaibes1121]

The 2nd lady is destroying the whole point of active listening by ALREADY HAVING THE ANSWER no matter what they say. The answer is Monat.

[@joyfuljaj]

i was going to say something similar. No matter what the person says, they are not going to determine this is not for them. A legit team leader would want to evaluate whether the person's skills and interests would help his team. This lady is ready to tell anyone "I think you would do very well with this." I'm a pretty self assured person, but when I have been in a job search I have fallen prey to such assurances thinking, "maybe I've really found something here." At least my opportunity was either not an MLM or was a hunbot doing a real evaluation. I took a test that determined I would not be a fit for what turned out to be a financial sales job. The hun in this video was prepared for no such evaluation. Her only determination for the people she decided to focus on for VIP was that they would not work hard enough for her team. How rude! I'm not going to be good at sales. It's not because I'm not a hard worker but because I don't like trying to convince people to buy things.

[@s.6449]

Every time she said “Only you….” I kept thinking she was going to finish it with “…. can prevent forest fires.”

[@TiffanyG8675309]

I see you Smokey 😂

[@ozmathegreatand]

Only you can prevent pyramid schemes

[@Tktikipunch]

Favorite thread. 😂❤

[@vb8801]

Huns when they're recruiting you: it's so easy to do this! Also huns after you've been recruited: I don't know why you thought this would be easy

[@ocm2014]

I am a former Monat market partner. I quit last month, and I have NEVER felt more peaceful and passionate in my life. The mindset behind the first clip is a big part of why I left. I also left because Monat is in the process of selling. Due to their consistently declining financial condition, they have made many decisions regarding the compensation plan and the products themselves that I could not get behind and promote. Monat is one of the WORST MLMs you could be a part of. The cult mindset is so sneaky, it latches onto your brain. I truly feel like I am in the stages of grief, it’s like breaking up with a toxic ex. The reps are being put in a terrible desperate position, and they’re working it HARD. Please don’t jump onto this sinking ship. You can’t see a ship is sinking when you’re on the inside of it. You don’t know until you see the water rising around your shoes. I can’t tell you how heartbroken I am watching true friends that I made through Monat going down with the ship. Loyalty is not always the best way.

[@mommy2libras]

Good for you. And I was part of one myself many years ago (pre social media so we literally stalked people in parking lots and were told to just barge into businesses) so I know the tactics they use and you're right, it is like an abusive ex. Not the violent kind, the manipulative kind that tells you how they're the best thing to happen to you and if you leave, there's something wrong with you because why can't you just see how awesome they are. How they'll be whooping it up and making tons while you're in some sad little job. There's nothing wrong with you. You're great. Even better now than you were with them for sure. Because even some "sad little job" will get you closer to having a comfortable life than you'd ever have with them. That nasty ex. The one who always had to know where you were and what you were doing and why you needed time by yourself. If you weren't doing something that involved them then you were doing something wrong because they were what made you awesome, right? Wrong. You are fine- they are the problem. And now you get to move on and leave them stewing in their own toxicity.

[@breannaculpepper9938]

So the shampoo is the backup if the “opportunity” pitch doesn’t work. Sounds like a pyramid to me 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@gdaymates431]

Mirroring is what we learn in med school to talk to patients so that they feel heard BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE. This is insane.

[@mommy2libras]

It's also what both psychopaths and sociopaths do to "fit in", as well as to manipulate those they may be targeting for whatever reason.

[@DG_212]

Pot, meet kettle. She tells her audience to stop expecting and assuming? That’s all she’s done for 10 straight minutes: making assumptions about the people who left

[@HannahAlonzo]

YESSS!

[@brettneygibbs9047]

But WHO can just wait around for YEARS and make no damn money?! That's delusional!

[@mallorywishall142]

The girl's tactics in that second clip are SO insidious. A lot of the personalities and tactics we see from MLM reps are very off-putting and easy to see through, but if I was in a vulnerable place (and didn't know what I know about MLMs) and got approached by that second girl I would for sure trust that she only had my best interests at heart and wanted to be my friend. Gross.

[@HannahAlonzo]

Yessss 100%! I actually feel like her and I would get along super well! I completely agree that if I didn't know better, she might get me.

[@bonniehowell9206]

I had a childhood friend who's parents were at the top of a MLM. I remember them always hosting conferences at their home telling desperate people they could have what they had through "hard work" and earning extra money on the weekends helping my friend stuff envelopes with pamphlets that stated vague "business" opportunities" while not even mentioning the product that was actually sold. This was in the 90's and since then I have never witnessed one person ever turned in profit from a MLM little less a livable income. .As for that family, the MLM eventually went under and they had to file for bankruptcy and their home went into foreclosure.

[@smartanajones4u]

Karma had to pay them their just due for scamming so many hopeful people

[@zirconium2014]

Haha they deserve it 😂

[@MyqueerEDjournal]

I feel bad for their kid but Karma came in on that one

[@melissaj1310]

Gotta love the subliminal shaming right out of the gate. “This is for everyone who gave up on themselves.” B!tch I walked away from “network marketing” and now co-own a successful business with my husband. Nice try.

[@HannahAlonzo]

SAY IT LOUDER! 👏🏼👏🏼

[@melissaj1310]

@@HannahAlonzo I’m gonna start working on my own channel after the holidays. As a former MLMer who is now staunchly anti-MLM and an actual business owner AND a survivor of religious cult abuse, I have sh!t to say.

[@omenala_]

That “gave up on themselves” language had me fuming. I’ve never been in an MLM but I’m amazed at how deeply manipulative the language tends to be. I know that we’re all used to seeing this from MLMs but still. Yikes

[@annatee5625]

That's amazing!!! So glad you walked away :) what kind of business did you open up, may I ask?

[@cheecheetara]

Yay! Congrats 🎉🎈🍾

[@lizzfrmhon]

“I was not put in this world to have a boss” She says. But these women pee their pants when they get a call from the Monet CEO or upline.

[@floraflowers]

I also like the way they run from corporate jobs like from the plague, yet they get all excited to post reels and stories of them going into "business meetings" when they're on that "free" trip. Like, Sharon, corporate jobs have you in meetings at least once or twice a week, and every time you're thinking to yourself "this could have been an email".

[@Travelling_with_my_dog]

"You're doing yourself a disservice if you quit"= "you're doing ME a disservice if you quit"

[@franniepan]

The first girl asked her viewers to write down 10 reasons why they left the mlm.. 🤣 Like, isn't that going to do the opposite of what she wants those women to focus on?? It's like writing down reasons why you left your abusive partner so that you can read through them whenever you feel like you're going to lapse..

[@EC_123-h8i]

"everyone just wants instant gratification". No shit, its called having bills and rent to pay NOW. What kind of fantasy world do these people live in that they think everyone can up and quit their jobs to work full-time for "potential"? I can't speak for anyone else, but my landlord doesn't accept potential 😂

[@DeadkeyWonders]

I'm about half way through and the way the first person says 'if you cant deal with the low you don't deserve the good' is disgusting. The implication that because people aren't always able to grin and bear it that they deserve to suffer, is absolutely awful. Absolutely horrid.

[@mommy2libras]

Oh you mean you can't deal with starving and living in your car for 2 years while you build your team? What a loser! Then you definitely don't deserve to make even poverty wages! We're not a charity, you know!

[@emilysnow6757]

Zeke is BEAUTIFUL! The look on his face when you hugged him is the same look on my teenager's face when I hug her.

[@MissMystery1412]

I love how she framed her “giving up” speech like it was applicable to all kinds of things unrelated to mlms…then proceeded to just specifically talk about people that quit mlms instead lol

[@yolandaponkers1581]

When you think about it, it is absolutely brilliant that these MLM companies cultivate such a strong relationship with self-help content. “Hey, come and become the person you’ve always wanted to be, have the family you’ve always wanted, AND earn riches beyond your wildest dreams” is pretty enticing, honestly. This is why anti-MLM content is so critical. People need to be reminded that something that seems too good to be true, probably is.

[@bhskhs2010]

If I saw a message request come through that said anything along the lines of “what are you passionate about in life?” I would immediately delete the message and move it along 🤣

[@AllLifeIsTravesty]

_"I have nothing against 9-5 jobs."_ Literally next breath implies 9-5 limits your potential and people in them must believe they aren't "meant for more", nice.

[@timriehl1500]

Was thinking the same!

[@Pajali]

Hun: spouting nonsense Zeke: Imma let you finish, but I’m delivering one of the BEST CAMEOS OF ALL TIME.😎

[@emory5533]

if someone was asking me personal questions and taking notes I would be weirded tf out

[@kaylarealtalk_safespace5127]

Why does this first girl keep insisting that MLMs will make you "a better person?" It's quite the opposite actually - it makes you a scammer. 🤔

[@HannahAlonzo]

A lie they tell themselves to make themselves feel better about what they're actually doing...

[@kendrawheeler]

I love that she starts this out with “anyone who has given up on anything” but it’s really just calling out her girls who left😂😂😂😂😂

[@missiec6899]

My bff was in it works for 2 yrs. She's been out for a few months. But, she was thinking about getting back in. It actually took Marcos video for her to realize she would never make money in any mlm. She's actually getting into antimlm content now too, lol. Thank God🙏💕

[@HannahAlonzo]

I’m so happy to hear this!!

[@Cee944]

My manager has advocated for me *the most* when I didn’t believe in my own skillset. She gave me more responsibility and coached me and put me in leadership roles bc she knew I was ready before I was. THAT’S what an actual manager does. Not gaslight you to fail 😒

[@AllLifeIsTravesty]

_"List ten reasons you gave up."_ I don't need ten reasons, I don't even need _one_ real reason, it's my life and my choices and I can leave if I want to even if I can't give a solid reason for why. Maybe it's just a feeling that I'll put a name to later, but if my instincts are telling me go, I don't need anything else. You're not my boss after all, right, I'm my "own boss" so I should be able to leave whenever I like. It's like someone you're on a date with asking for ten reasons why you won't go on another one with them, like no I don't owe you that, if I feel somethings off even without a name for it I'm listening to that.

[@sarahbennett7180]

I really love how if you quit an MLM it’s because you thought something wrong, did something wrong, or are just an overall lazy and unsuccessful person. I can’t think of any other industry where there is no legitimate reason for leaving it.

[@HannahAlonzo]

Yes exactly! Like if you left, it must be because of your own wrong-doings. The blame is never placed on the company, the upline, or the business model.

[@georgia2321]

Yep and that’s how cults (and other abusers) behave. It’s so sad

[@mandylee3862]

She really said "I want to have a clean conscience..." honey thats not possible in MLM

[@RyleeCoyote13]

Also, I get where you're coming from when you say that you appreciate certain things about this woman. However, I honestly believe that her 'honest, transparent' approach is a THOUSAND times more dangerous than the traditional predatory practices that we've seen. People like her are training a new type of HunBot with at least a little bit of self awareness. Any leader for anything will always be much more powerful, and attract more of a following, and has the ability to do much more damage, if they are self aware, than someone in a leadership position that doesn't possess that same self awareness. I don't like that I've been seeing more and more people like her appear in videos within the Anti MLM space. It worries me. 😟

[@joyfuljaj]

I can't figure out whether these are women who believe all they say and just think the problem with other hunbots is their sometimes crass over the top behavior. They have been brainwashed to think that what they are doing is not manipulation.

[@lexwithbub]

When she says rejoining is a win win, she means it's a win for your upline and a win for the company 😂

[@LisaHarvey16]

Totally agree. It's not a win for you 🙂

[@MelanieTheSuperHero]

Every time she said “only you,” in my head I finished it with “can prevent wild fires.”

[@gabriellelarsen551]

😂😂😂

[@aleshapage4004]

Omg same!! 😂🤣🤣

[@FrankeyVoodoo]

They think it’s easy because you told them it would be. Also: “You cowards!” “I love you!”

[@TaylorX3]

I want that on a shirt

[@FrankeyVoodoo]

@@TaylorX3 Yes! Merch opportunity!

[@Fangirlfit]

That 2nd lady really said "when I signed up I thought it was stupid..." Sure Jan. It's so interesting how their narrative used to be "this is so easy you don't have to do any work you just earn money! it's not a scam!" And then it shifted to "when I signed up I thought it was easy so I didn't work at all but you need to work to make money! It's not a scam!" to now "when I signed up I thought it was a scam and I failed. But I came back and look how much money I make now! It's not a scam!"

[@Gingersnaps1978]

The double speak would make Trump slow clap

[@HannahAlonzo]

Oh my gosh yessss this is so true. So many contradictions!!

[@TaylorX3]

I put in a notice at my job today and they congratulated me. I could imagine my boss calling me a quitter and a coward. TOXIC

[@rentme2011]

I’m listening to her lecture on and on and after awhile it just sounds like a mixture of begging and shaming. How exhausting.

[@Ikine557]

I will give that second lady credit, I do feel like she's actually training me. Like, I feel like I got something of substance out of that video. I doubt her technique is as foolproof as she thinks it is, but it was actually real, actionable steps instead of the usual fluff.

[@AshatHome]

The "mirroring" tip from video #2 is the same thing narcissists do when they want someone to do what they want.

[@Momnpop98]

The kittie cameos help cleanse the soul from poisonous MLMers.

[@suzywhoozy]

This makes me so uncomfortable, because these are conversational tools that us therapist use to have our clients open up and talk about their feelings in hopes to help them heal from their trama. Totally using this to manipulate people and using it for evil and selfish reasons.

[@briannahatcher9422]

The shaming/blaming/manipulation is DISGUSTING

[@shawnconway6009]

'it's never too late to come back, but also it's 20x harder to come back' well if it was hard before and I quit, I'm SURE i'll come back if it's now 20x harder than that! Good arguement!

[@alisonrefior5020]

Actually hun, I enjoy making money but i hate scamming people!

[@cheecheetara]

I agree! I think it’s important to let people interested in mlm’s know that not only will they have a VERY low chance of making $$, even if they get lucky & make $$ it’s because they are financially hurting other people.

[@YellowFreesias]

As soon as a stranger asks me questions I assume they're selling something and my answer is f@ck off.

[@MagicLights555]

Imagine if there were men out there who were like: "I'm going to teach you to overcome objections to when a woman says no."

[@Alyse_bell]

There are unfortunately, they call themselves ‘pickup artists’ and their content and actions are disgusting.

[@HelenaVanCity]

And you are ALLERGIC to cats??????? Dude, I just began to respect you on an entirely new level!!!! So many cats get just thrown away, like trash, because their shitty owners realize they're cat allergic. They don't even try to rehome their cats; they just discard them. You are such a lovely human being, Hannah! Kudos to you!!!

[@hippiekansasgirl1632]

I LOVE your longer videos! You're my favorite creator; I enjoy your style, and appreciate your intelligent approach to debunking. THANKS!!! I also love how their big draw to MLMs is "no boss".....OMG have you watched those training calls? These women at the top are the meanest bosses ever!!!! If you did a drinking game and took a drink every time they say the word "mindset", you'd be trashed in the first two minutes. WTF does that even mean? I like your explanation: mindset = brainwashing. And did you notice that the second woman (cerise??) stumbled EVERY TIME she said trust?? LOVE ZEKE!!!!

[@HannahAlonzo]

Wow, thank you so much!!

[@shawnasomers9127]

To be in an MLM, you need to be willing to be the most annoying person in the world. People will eventually run in the opposite direction when they see you coming! Everyone in your path is a potential customer/ recruit! MLMs are awful! ( I speak from experience )

[@brittanygeren8881]

I work at Goodwill and we got a bunch of scentsy promotional pamphlets and party surprises and it was all unopened. Thank goodness someone saw the light and got out! Those papers hit the bin. We can't sell it either XD

[@lagatalola]

OMG that second hun, the way she's always telling her audience what to comment and when, she is forcing that engagement like a pro

[@JustAVideoEnjoyer]

i love an (almost) hour-long top fails video

[@breannaculpepper9938]

An ItWorks hun did this exact “method” in an attempt to get me to join her team. Even messaged me repeatedly like every few weeks. Thankfully I knew it seemed too good to be true!

[@AllLifeIsTravesty]

_"Some people are not good at making priorities."_ Maybe they just have _different_ priorities than you, like say, being a moral person.

[@GenXScorpio]

Omg I love the guest appearances ...and cooper with his little paw and little face....i can't ❤

[@HannahAlonzo]

So much kitty time in this video!!

[@Mari-sq6cx]

Learning all these manipulation tactics is so fascinating. I feel like I'll be able to recognize it in people and be able avoid them

[@AyaDragonheart]

THANK YOU for addressing that these huns are PRIVILEGED to be able to spend such an obscene amount of time on a job that doesn't pay. Not only that, it's ableist and just straight up wrong that "we all have the same 24 hours in a day." I can guarantee that my 24 hours look nothing like hers as I'm recovering from mental health issues and navigating diagnosed autism and suspected ADHD. And that's not to even mention the folks who don't have the same stability and resources. It's just gross to hear all the victim blaming 😬

[@Oceana-Crystal]

To think that there were people watching this and actually taking notes and writing what this woman is saying down makes me really sad…

[@auggiedoggiesmommy1734]

Just imagine how many friendships these businesses have destroyed. Two friends decide to join at the same time and then they’re both going after the same friends to join and then one friend decides to join and she has to pick which friend to join under…ugh!

[@basicleighdisney5643]

When they say you need to sacrifice several years to finally make it to a level of success, i just wanna be like, "ok, but my bills are not going to wait 5 years to be paid." Yah. These talking points are unrealistic and abusive all at the same time.

[@Cangi92]

Zeke is just like excuse me mother you have not praised me recently. I demand adoration. Also these huns keep using like...good sales techniques. They really shou,d just go into legitimate sales. Some of them would make actual money

[@HannahAlonzo]

Yes he was definitely feeling needy, I don't think he's ever willingly walked into any other videos before! And I agree. The things they're training on aren't all-bad when it comes to legitimate sales!

[@cheyennebala1703]

The desperation is such a turn off. I have said no to a girl in It works twice and the third time she asked "I promise I won't ask you to buy or sell but can you please make a post about me?" No lady! Trust me, I am not the person you want to have posting about your "business" 😅

[@lizsmith8454]

The levels of manipulation from that second one were giving me flashbacks to _The Game_ (the book about pick-up artists). When you have your script down to a science like that, there is no genuine connection anymore.

[@spokenwordpoetries]

Let's all just remember that "get uncomfortable" was the exact phrasing used by the NXIVM cult to override people's sense that this wasn't right or their natural sense of self-preservation. It's such a manipulative thing to tell people. Of course, plenty of worthwhile things require us to push ourselves, but that doesn't mean doing whatever your upline says or letting them yell at you. Big difference! Also, when a stranger starts asking you deep and personal questions, it's time to shut it down! They clearly don't understand that there are some things that are only for those who have earned their place in our lives. It's very entitled to start asking people personal questions as though you are close to them when you're not.

[@omenala_]

With that second clip we once again see MLMs packaging well-known ideas as revolutionary.

[@HannahAlonzo]

Yes exactly 😂 Oh, good communication skills?? What a great idea!

[@JustAVideoEnjoyer]

17:00 earlier, she said that if you did the job once, you can do it again. in the timestamp, she said that don't quit because it's 20 times harder. is it easy or hard? pick a lane.

[@HannahAlonzo]

Alwayssss switching up the narrative

[@JustAVideoEnjoyer]

*she said don't quit

[@theautisticside]

I hold advanced degrees in philosophy, data science, and finance. But these psychological tactics used by MLMers still confuse me sometimes. So, your videos are really enlightening. I had to laugh though at that first lady asking, "Why did you give up on yourself." That's like asking: "Why did you stop beating your wife?" In Logic, we called this a "loaded question." Also, in my entire career, I've never had one manager ask me upon my resignation: "Why did you give up on yourself?" And I've had some dodgy managers.

[@mandymorrow5473]

I *hate* that she is literally saying she has someone tell her no and she writes down their name to harass them for months as if that'll get you a yes instead of on the blocked list!

[@marygraham6966]

When I was just a kid, someone must have been pitching an MLM (likely Amway) to my dad, because I remember him laughing, shaking his head and saying, "I don't care how many people you get involved, at some point, someone's gotta sell some soap."

[@laurarauhauser2350]

Actually, it's more manipulative to call it a "gift". Then the reps actually think they are somehow "hurting" their family and friends by not telling them about it. And the low level constant stress that this causes is so toxic. To the reps, to ALL of their relationships, to their ability to just live and enjoy life. It's horrible.

[@Coffee_rex]

I hate that she said it works 100% of the time. This implies that if it didn't work for you you did something wrong

[@HannahAlonzo]

Dang you're right!! I didn't pick up on that!

[@BedeSisters]

Good catch

[@kidwell.michele4770]

Also, if this "opportunity" isn't for everyone, why will they take anyone who can fog a mirror?

[@desireemclaughlin1455]

Wow. The second woman told people not to manipulate others and then explained exactly how to manipulate people into wanting to prove that network marketing is ‘for them’. Big Yikes. 😬

[@AlexisArtemisGreenHoward1]

Great strategy, for a psychiatrist or a therapist. All these MLM-ers are wasting their live in these pyramid companies.

[@carolsummers8734]

I was thinking the same.

[@HeyDarling37]

Thanks for the kitty pause break! He's soooo cuuuute! ❤

[@florencebastien2162]

Also I laughed at that second video when she was talking about establishing common ground, because my experience of MLMs is that the distributors are perfectly willing to manufacture common ground where there isn’t any. It says pretty prominently on my Instagram bio that I’m a church organist. I had someone (with no indication of MLM stuff anywhere on her profile) follow me and start chatting with me about how “we’re both church organists”. I followed her back because she seemed nice enough, and then (because I thought I was making a new friend) I messaged her over Christmas just saying I hoped she was staying sane through the busy Christmas work season, and she said she didn’t work Christmas. That’s when alarm bells started going off, because no church organist just “doesn’t work Christmas”. So I started thinking that she might have played a service once or twice, but she wasn’t employed as a church organist. So what, pray tell, could someone who randomly followed me on social media possibly be employed doing? 🧐 Sure enough, a couple weeks later she invited me to her Beachbody challenge group “with Christ at the center!”. I said no (no reasons, just “no thanks”) and suddenly she just stopped talking to me. Guess we don’t have that much in common after all🤣

[@Karen_of_Kanada]

Really just here for the cat drive-by (hi Zeke!), but my general comment is echoing those of others: we "gave up" on MLMs to make our lives better. In many ways, the lessons learned there have helped shaped the outspoken feminist I've become, because this kind of manipulation by women of other women was really a breaking point for me. So, thanks MLMs - leaving you taught me a lot.