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@genehenson8851Ай бұрын
Ratings aside, this was just a nice reminder of what MMOs are still alive today and where they started. I don't really play MMOs anymore, but this was nice to watch.
@zacharyjackson182914 күн бұрын
more like a reminder how far the genre has fallen. I can't blame it, the genre by definition is almost impossible to pull off due to scale and many, MANY issues the genre has but literally none of the decent games to come into the genre and still doing well today have been from the last decade. that's BAD.
@manuel007dragon5 күн бұрын
More like it’s dead 😭
@johanix-jАй бұрын
I've tried so many times to make FFXIV my main mmo, but I just can't take the story grind. I hate it. The story is extremely overhyped and it just takes way too long to grind through for me to enjoy the game.
@Sauce-keАй бұрын
sounds like you're stuck in ARR cause starting from HeavenSward, the story is absolutely really good.
@cupidex6642Ай бұрын
I would suggest to skipp all story and just rush to end game or even buy story so you dont have to. I watched all an while story was good in some parts looking it back now i wished i saaved myself some time and played it just for raids dungeon etc.. i lost 250 hour tryng to pay attention to story while sub is going on.. if i could do it i would just skipp all and enjoy late game
@Lav-fs2heАй бұрын
Ff online starts very slow. But it's more like a storyline where you progressively grow to love the story and characters. It isn't a game that you can rush through. The story is slow to build up and this is a game that you need to slowdown to enjoy it. If you are looking to directly dive into actions, ff online isn't that. It is very slow pace and it builds everything around your character and makes you care about the world.
@Sauce-ke28 күн бұрын
@@cupidex6642 sounds like FF14 isn’t for you.
@cupidex664228 күн бұрын
@@Sauce-ke nah it is for me just some parts are not.. i miss playing the game tho.. but story you admit or not is so boring for most of time. Specially first part.
@tyisamessАй бұрын
It’s sad that the only 5 options that people can recommend for MMOs are all 10+ year old games. It would be nice if we had some newer options that were good.
@JeffKrygerАй бұрын
The amount of MMOs that came out in the early 2010's is wild. And then basically nothing for a decade.
@Doodelz02Ай бұрын
Yup. They'd make more if there was $$$ in it for them. Unfortunately the huge multi-year up-front costs ... with a player base expecting good quality experiences for free-to-play is not a business model. We may be looking at similar ranks 10 years from now. UNLEASH THE AI's I say!
@Boony7Ай бұрын
They can take time to mature, I've only really played ESO, since BETA (more an RPG player), but it has improved over time in terms of game play etc. It seems to have become a little buggy recently :( I don't play PvP much, but it can be fun
@youngcracker9517Ай бұрын
I think it’s more or less a commitment people have to say wow a 20 yr old game that most people have sunk hours and hours into it’s gonna be hard to get them to play another mmo
@JeffKrygerАй бұрын
@@youngcracker9517 I think this is the biggest thing with any live service game. The switching cost. All my stuff, friends, experience, etc. is over here. Why would I ever leave and start over?
@redgoesface1671Ай бұрын
ESO is my only and main MMO I've played and got me into it. I've tried a few like Throne and Liverty but the lack of PvE is exactly what turned me off.
@MoJoWipHDАй бұрын
They added a whole new group of unlimited run dungeons. Similar to the M+ system in WOW. Higher tiers with harder mechanics, gave the PVE side a huge boost.
@Lupinemancer87Ай бұрын
Same. Been playing for over 10 years, and I freaking love that game. I don't see myself stopping anything soon. Next chapter announcement is gonna be exciting.
@BioDestinyАй бұрын
@@Lupinemancer87 next chapter? There are no going to be any expansion at all in 2025
@hawkflight7Ай бұрын
@@Lupinemancer87 it's gonna be Seasons next year, so there will be new content (not time limited, in case you were worried about that). They're also giving older zones a face lift and a bunch of other improvements.
@magik320221 күн бұрын
Retired end-game ESO player here. Combat system is very unique with LA weaving. I have all trial trifectas besides the 2 newest ones (quit my SS team a week or two before they popped). I killed the game for myself by making it a job. It's very enjoyable otherwise lol
@echoradius2299Ай бұрын
I'm kinda surprised you rated SWTOR in such a low spot. The game has a metric ton of content that's well written, an immersive story engagement you don't get with any other MMO, it's NOT pay to win in any way, and it's FtP up until the current expansion (i think that's how it works?) but has a lot of expansions overall. A player can sub to the game if they like, but they're only going to get quality of life improvements. The overall bang for your buck (zero dollars) is easily the best on the list. I would easily rank that with FFIV and WoW, with the exception of the news that the game is being handed off... so we're not sure what's going to happen there. For further contrast though, you're ranking SWToR along side a pile of lesser quality PtW games. I dunno man. Surely that's an A tier game, at minimum.
@PWReviewsАй бұрын
SWTOR is still one of my main MMOs and I think the rating is fair. The content is now very slow but we are getting better updates even if it is slow... Such as the graphics update and dynamic encounters. Hopefully it will get better and isn't just "maintenance".
@jordandelvo2567Ай бұрын
Swtor is rapidly declining due solely to the devs not wanting to listen to the players on what they want. Went from swtor to ff14 and haven’t looked back. It’s wild when you play something like ff14 and see all the abyssal deficiencies swtor brings to the table. The only thing swtor does better than ff14 is having fully voice acted cut scenes. That’s it. So glad I pulled my sub from swtor since it’s just a single player game. Why pay 15/month for single player content? No thanks.
@PWReviewsАй бұрын
@@jordandelvo2567 it's not just single player content. There are so many multiplayer options. Final fantasy online is a good game and I think the group content is the best I've played. I found the open world a little boring if I'm honest, it's the instanced content (dungeons/raids) where FF online excels, plus I've heard the story does get better. I just couldn't handle the long long long text story, plus it was difficult to attach myself to the world. Final fantasy online is what SWTOR could have been. I still however like playing SWTOR more than final fantasy due to liking the Star Wars lore more. Plus I like the combat and find the content engaging. It's all based on personal preference it's good you found a game for you.
@jale8455Ай бұрын
You have to subscribe if you want to do group content, game is more singleplayer than multiplayer and is not receiving actual group content updates anymore which makes it not god mmo.Its god singleplayer experience at best but due to its difficulty its sadly not even that, It had some amazing raids/dungeons in the past but that is all past at this point. Mainly its game for people who enjoy story mode stuff but dont like actually watching movies and dont rly like to challenge themselves when it comes to gaming. Fun experience but nothing to rly stay for gameplay wise after maybe month or few months of play.
@WolfKriegerEsqАй бұрын
SWTOR was great in it's prime but it's very dated at this point. Actually I tried to go back to it a few months ago just to play through a new storyline and couldn't do it just strictly due to its age and some incompatibility with newer OS and GPU issues. Definitely a C tier at this point particularly bc it's in maintenance mode.
@nickverschoore4351Ай бұрын
GW2 lacking on group content????? Are we talking about the same GW2 here?? The game is literally made around grouping up during events, there's dozens of meta events going on with full squads of 50 ppl everywhere, you have fractals, raids, WvW.... honestly bro, that's a rlly bad take
@joeyr184Ай бұрын
Think he means the holy trinity type of group.
@zaan364Ай бұрын
thats not group content per say.. thats more like a zerg.. when people say group content it usually refers to raids and dungeons high endgame lvl pve.. events and world bosses have close to no difficulty if the grps large enough
@guihermeborracha7412Ай бұрын
Raids and Fractals alone cover group content
@grymshaderpgАй бұрын
This ridiculous tier list is just his personal opinion. I greed with you GW2 is not lacking group content. I played GW2 for 400hr which is i'm new and it's still a lot of things to do in the game.
@davidjasper6962Ай бұрын
also not being able to earn mount and weapon skins without a cash shop? you can literally play all the content to earn gold and buy the ones you want that way. lol
@scottlemiere2024Ай бұрын
"I don't think they release enough content in EQ to keep it as your main MMO," while ignoring that they release a full expansion every year while all the other release every other year. It's very clear he didn't look further than his assumptions about it. Meanwhile he puts a game that hasn't put out anything new in years in the S tier. SWTOR isn't going into maintainence mode either: it's getting a full graphics engine overhaul this year.
@SquizyOGАй бұрын
That’s actually exciting to hear I stopped playing SWTOR because I heard it was getting shut down but if they’re still working on it that’s great news
@SoulOfFenrir4 күн бұрын
Idk SWTOR feels like a single player RPG with multiplayer bolted on. Compared to other mmorpg dungeons and raids most are average to below average for me after maxing a sith juggernaut and playing a bounty hunter a fair bit. Much like a lot of FFXIV the only thing SWTOR has going for it is the single player stuff.
@Lupinemancer87Ай бұрын
ESO is currently my main and only MMO. It is absolute peak. I used to play WoW, and did so for about 20 years, but I recently grew tired and havn't played since before the current expansion came out. ESO, however, I have played for over 10 years now and I still love it, and I don't see myself stopping anything soon. I'm eagerly awaiting the announcement of the next chapter. I'm so excited.
@ATM-js1zsАй бұрын
I absolutely love the graphics and combat in ESO. The pvp is really great and you have to work to get great gear, so no pay to win. There are several things however that led me switch to Guild Wars 2 despite it having weaker graphics. I absolutely hated the pve quests and zone stories in ESO. They were mostly way, way too easy for an advanced player and had ridiculously stupid stories. Summerset was bad but I think the Telvanni Peninsula was worse so then I quit. The entire pve experience was therefore weak, although in a large, beautiful, and fascinating world. The pvp side of things was truly great but I actually enjoyed Dark Age of Camelot more in it's prime. It also was a three faction mega war but I liked it better because there is not pve interaction between the realms. When you pve you do so with your teammates. You can't hobnob with the enemy players in the pve zones and then go fight them in pvp. I like that better. It's more immersive to me. So I like ESO but it also goes in the A tier for me in his system along with GW2 which I'm playing now. It also has some defects so I am waiting for something better which doesn't exist yet.
@synitarthrax5618Ай бұрын
I like you list. It's pretty expansive and with the exception of ESO not being S tier I agree. ESO is highly polished, completely voice acted and accommodates all play styles and I love the system where you can put gear sets together to make a char that reflects your play style. Also, the cash shop is not even close to PTW so all in all, it's an S tier game. Other than that, you're spot on. I esp like how you put In Asheron's call my favorite game from the start of the genre.
@MalysariАй бұрын
Darktide was fun.
@Callimandicus10 күн бұрын
I think the combat alone should keep eso out of a tier. It’s very floaty and they turned a bug into a permanent mechanic and the community always refuses combat reworks they propose because they would have to relearn it. But that would substantially improve it
@tydta5 күн бұрын
I’ve played ESO since release and it is definitely pay to win
@paukloanasАй бұрын
I played Rift and loved it. Probably the saddest story for an MMO. It deserved to be better than WoW.
@jamesdavidson749524 күн бұрын
Currently running around LOTRO having a great time. It is amazing how some of these older MMO's that are well supported have a depth that is sorely lacking in new games. The storytelling in LOTRO is just top notch.
@scottharrop6720Ай бұрын
Brighter Shores is a niche game. It's a skill-based game (what most people would call grind). There's a quest line, but it's not the main focus. Unlike Runescape, the skill levels peak at 500, as opposed to 99-120. It looks better than OSRS and has none of the whacky monetization of RS3. It's also the newest on the list. Andrew has been regularly updating every few days. So, there's active development.
@HorizunTheAlien22 күн бұрын
Bro you dont have to spend cash in auction house in Throne and Liberty. Common misconception. Simply doing raids or open world dungeons you find stuff to sell in AH all the time and that gets you premium currency. I've made thousands of lucent without spending a penny.
@Bladedanced7 күн бұрын
While this is true, this game is still pay to win and the top guilds on the server are absolutely p2w. This game has potential and I really enjoyed the pve content. The pvp is just 1 shot hell and benefits the person who spends real money far too much. P2w does not belong anywhere near a pvp focused game. Period.
@ThePavelfiss4 күн бұрын
@@Bladedanced u simply dont know what u talkin about, that is coz u didnt play this game. Otherwise u should know that most top players in the game got archboss weapons simple as a pvp+pve drop. U basically the person who is translating the opinion of sucha youtubers as this author is. btw the author doesnt play T&L either. 20hrs doesnt count lol
@Bladedanced3 күн бұрын
@ThePavelfiss I have 287 hours on throne. While yes, top guilds do get the arch boss weps from pve/pvp, they also buy them too. Watched a streamer on my realm, buy 150k lucent to get bellandiers staff. So yes, it happens. I'm not saying they exclusively p2w, but they do, do it. Also, I'm translating as a player who's seen enough of it to know. Saying otherwise, I'd be questioning you about your time spent on the game. Or maybe it's just blissful ignorance.
@PavangpikachuКүн бұрын
Lineage 2 actually feels like a whole world. You can fast travel but you can also just run all the way from one place to another for hours, run into different world bosses if you make the wrong turn, stumble into higher level areas etc. it actually makes the world seem like a real open open world to explore
@Hiking.and.mountainsАй бұрын
Used to play Eq, then EQII as a kid, then moved over to WoW for years until I lost access to my account and gave GW2 a try... not looked back. Love it.
@jmoore915722 күн бұрын
Same ❤
@prajnaseekАй бұрын
FF, WoW, ESO, GW2... ya, makes sense for top tier. I've only played WoW, and have played it ultra casually, and loved it, for 20 years, but I'm excited to try ESO and especially GW2.
@jeremycollazo361Ай бұрын
In GW2 just keep reminding yourself that you DON'T NEED TO BUY YOUR GOLD WITH IRL CASH! This is just a speed up mechanic implemented by the devs! You can earn it all, or even grind to buy it without ever spending!
@jmoore915722 күн бұрын
As a former WOW player (over ten years), I finally turned away from monthly subscription. Interestingly I saw an ad for GW2 on Wowhead so thought I might check it out. Turns out that I loved it! Again another decade playing but I don’t miss WOW. Sure, I occasionally buy something from the cash shop but not necessary to spend real cash as GW2 has a Gold to Gems 💎 system so you could purchase without opening up your wallet. Some cash shop items like unbreakable gathering tools are a nice quality of life items worth having. The mounts are insane and I have all except the turtle mount which didn’t appeal to me.
@Despond20 күн бұрын
@@jeremycollazo361 That's the best way for a cash shop with B2p/f2p, where the grind option isn't unrealistic in ratio compared to swiping. GW2, could easily grind out what I needed within a reasonable time, also the fact that you have a linear gear system.
@alphadragongamingFTWАй бұрын
I am now currently trying out FF 14 online. I have Held my self away from it for years because I just am not a Asian MMO kind of person, but over the last year or so I have been warming up to a lot of Asian studios simply because they really seem to know how to make games and keep them fun with out agendas. EQ has always been my baby though and I still go back and play it for several weeks at a time. After doing some research on FF14 I feel like this is an MMO I could enjoy so I am giving it a chance and so far it really seems fun. I am not very far in to it and sure I am not a fan of some of the more bubbly creatures, but eh, that is ok. :) Over all I agreed with a lot of your MMOs on the tier list and quite a few I have never heard of. My first MMO was EQ1 and I am 50 now and like I said, I still go back to it several times a year and I do not think I could ever put it down for good. Unless it sunsets haha. EQ 2 was a very good one for me. The first few expansions were amazing and then they decided to go to a basic stat system and Try to be more like WOW instead of being unique like it was. I continued to play through the mess till I was in my 90s and then I left and I have not touched it for years. It became just a huge mess, which is sad because it became a big favorite among many people, even though it was not the big MMO like it had hoped it would become, but it was Niche for a while.
@Vizual_RacingАй бұрын
Having Ultima Online in C tier is criminal. The game holds up very well today and it's still very fun.
@Afire85Ай бұрын
As long as you find a good private server like Outlands, yeah, it's great. OSI is run by incompetent, negligent devs. The upside to that being that they don't even know how to monetize it so it's light on the p2w.
@lareth87Ай бұрын
Just because something was good, doesn't mean it still is.
@WolfKriegerEsqАй бұрын
It just doesn't hold up to modern games. Amazing in it's time. I also absolutely loved BBC classics like Tele Arena but that doesn't mean it is more than a revisiting for nostalgias sake today.
@robertszilvers388723 күн бұрын
@@WolfKriegerEsq still holds up. Game shows what is best MMORPG in core.
@JimmyzationАй бұрын
Boy, Tera Online was probably the best MMO I ever played. I never got too far, but enjoyed every second of it. I do wish to replay it, but I'll keep it on my mind as a nice memory.
@jonathanmarsh8119Ай бұрын
Check out Tera Starscape, it is a free private US server based on version 100. It is kinda dumbed down compared the the older versions of Tera, so it skips a ton of quests as you level up, but it is still fun. Also you start off with a level 70 boost scroll on every character if you just want to skip to end game.
@JimmyzationАй бұрын
@jonathanmarsh8119 Thanks. I actually started playing on Nova Tera a couple days ago. It's on the version that I had the most fond memories of playing back in the day and there's no level up boost, so you really gotta grind those quests for some levels. It's the way I enjoy playing the most. I really like difficulty and playing solo. I am having a blast soloing dungeons on this server. It may not be very populated, but I really don't care, since I mostly play solo anyway.
@spazmatic97743 күн бұрын
Tera is still up and running on console PS4/5, Xbox and because it's ftp u don't need ps+ to play online 😊
@AdrenaliinzАй бұрын
Love your videos. Especially the long beginner guides! Even if I know what you'll say, I always enjoy watching them for my favorite games. Your perspective and the way you structure things really remind me of my own way of doing it and it's like I've done the work myself, but you've done it for me. Especially when I was starting FF, I watched your guide and I fell in love. I usually do extensive research before diving in, so I can be prepared. In that case I only read the wiki class/job guides and a few short vids on the same topic and dove in. You're great! And your audio settings are top notch! Sound is so pristine! :) On this video: - My ranking differs only slightly. - My top 3 (hence S tier) are: WoW, FFXIV, GW2. Nothing else comes even close! :) - What I'd rank lower (5): ESO (C tier), Old Runescape (objectively - A tier, on my op - C tier), LotRO (C tier), Star Trek (C tier), Star Wars (C tier) - What I'd rank higher (1): WoW Classic (A, even if it gets boring after each re-hash, it just doesn't feel right to be ranked lower, among those other games) One last thing, I'd like for my favorite MMOs to do is, to get "inspired" by each other more often. :) We've seen how well this turned out, following the amazing example of Blizzard incorporating Dragon riding into WoW! Instantly turned into an evergreen feature and most players would surely rank this as one their tops features in the game.
@LuckyGhostАй бұрын
Really well said! And thank you for the kind words 😊
@ct5489Ай бұрын
What a great list of nostalgia. There are a couple of great games that are missing from this list. Maybe you can add them on to your next one? Star Wars Galaxies and Anarchy Online. Everquest will forever be the GOAT of mmorpg's with World of Warcraft second. But i do think that Star Wars Galaxies is right up there with those 2.
@rellianthebonemeowster3450Ай бұрын
Gonna have a weird take here, but while I don't disagree with GW2 being an "A tier" MMO, I'm going to hard disagree with putting GW2 under Retail WoW, because part of the reasoning was that you want more "Holy Trinity based content" in a game that, from its inception, was open about it's intention to specifically break away from the Holy Trinity. but, also I don't think an MMO that's "S tier" would be so obviously yoinking the "lower tier" MMOs core mechanics, per the inclusion of the Action Combat system and, more notably, the new Dragonflight mechanics and, I say that not because I'm a huge fan of ESO/GW2 or a WoW hater, but because it's kinda clear that WoW only started to incorporate these mechanical things because of the competition's rising popularity. Action combat existed in Addons as far back as 2017. Blizzard couldn't have missed it, either, because it was all over their forums for a hot minute, and yet it wasn't until Dragonflight's 2022 release that they did anything with it, at the same time as they poorly Copy-pasted GW2's Gryphon flight mechanics. I'll personally disagree about the cosmetic progression cash shop being an issue, primarily because you can, with effort, convert in-game gold to premium gems that have no purchasing restrictions and while that does take a chunk of game knowledge and dedication, it still very much bears mentioning. .... But also, most of the premium cosmetics are exceptionally gaudy and, from experience, most players really don't use more than a few pieces at any given time, save for those people who make it their mission to turn in to walking pixel-murderers by running around with as many glowing gear slots colored with prismatic dye as is possible.
@arabian8873Ай бұрын
very true.
@gorrvaskr596325 күн бұрын
100% right, I’ve played a lot of GW2 and I went to WoW to see how it is and damn Blizzard really took 80% of GW2’s mechanics like dragon flight and fractals.
@Mormont60818 күн бұрын
This youtuber is complete mad dude... gw2 under retail wow? Y played both, in retail i played like 1 year and i was done with the predatory and mindless treat to the consumers. I started with gw2 and is the best by faar mmo from my perspective, i played ffx14 and ESO also but i prefer gw2 by faar
@HavocAqvil16 күн бұрын
@@gorrvaskr5963 i`m curious what are fractals and what part of wow equals fractals. also dragon flight is not that popular in wow, we like it because it is faster and that's all :))
@quiteunpleasant647316 күн бұрын
It's even funnier the argument that GW2 is focused on single player content and "I wish it had more group content." When it's by far the most "massive" of all MMOs on this list, with most of it's content based on open world zones where dozens of players get together all the time.
@ItsYent29 күн бұрын
Not putting ESO in S tier is insane considering it’s up there with FF and WoW when ppl bring up MMOs today
@Exirock18 күн бұрын
ESO cant be a S tier with the issues it has, also very heavy monetization based game, i loved the game when i played it but the issues it had was preventing me from enjoying the game and i also wasnt going to invest hundreds just to unlock a tiny portion of content.
@enmasblade15 күн бұрын
FF and WoW Z tear. ESO F tear (zan we make something lower than Z tear ? Think Z is not low enough)
@ItsYent15 күн бұрын
@@Exirock what issues? And you know if u pay the same sub fee that u do in WoW or FF you get all that content ?
@ItsYent15 күн бұрын
@@enmasblade biggest and most popular MMOs on the market .
@Exirock14 күн бұрын
@@ItsYent you have performance issues, server stability issues that are in the game since release nothing been done after millions of dollars earned, they literaly ignored the game, the sub does offer alot of stuff but you really think the game having issues is worth investing monthly a subscription that the company give no damn about the game, of course not, although if they cared about the game and its live service it would be worth it for the price, but since it has the issues it has i would rather pay monthly for FFXIV dispite would hv to buy the expansion, but it would be worth every dime cause it has a functional live service and working dev team fixing issues,
@siliniaTLАй бұрын
T&L can be played as a F2P without problems, you just need to know what you are doing and everything you can buy is bought with a currency you can farm
@brianlove3369Ай бұрын
Patheon Rise of the fallen is Supposed to be coming out on Steam the 13 of Dec. (Early Access) the last beta run had many good reviews. They are adding 6 new zones and may not require a subscription that was up in the air once they shut down the servers for EA.
@brandonbeatty103429 күн бұрын
It's an excellent game. It's what EQ2 should have been.
@charlespate8511 күн бұрын
Let’s update that Asherons call. It’s not only growing again but the customer content in the private servers is amazing. Lots of old loyal players have made new games, modes quests, it’s awesome!!
@boingthegoat7764Ай бұрын
Elite: Dangerous has been making a comeback this year
@GwennthBlg19 күн бұрын
Hearty thanks for your kind explanations of WoW despite all the disputes out there, as a devoted RP player the world of Azorath has never died from me. It is a charred plant which I definitely believe is thriving with the ‘good news’(WoW player should know). In addition, I have never tried other MMO or RPG for their lores don’t attract me and are not compatible with my concept of the world of Azorath and because playing them all is very time-consuming. If anybody is going to argue about how narrow my view is, I would like to further express my wish here that there could be all types of games related to Warcraft😂
@matej_ptacek11 күн бұрын
Nice video, thank you for reminding us of the grandfathers of the genre and bringing out the years old Tera sadness again. But dude. Guild Wars 2 is without subscription and you're putting it a tier lower because you can't earn more mount skins? When a mount skin is literarly a month's subscription (or much less) of any other game??? :D
@LuckyGhost11 күн бұрын
totally fair my man! but thats what a tier list is, just sorting them by personal preference. and if I don't have loads of mounts and cosmetics to earn in a game, I quickly run out of things to do after I hit max level. Id rather pay a sub and earn those things, than swipe my credit card and buy them. personal preference is all :)
@matej_ptacek11 күн бұрын
@@LuckyGhost got it
@Dobbysfree12 күн бұрын
Honestly I’ve put hundreds of hours into throne and liberty and it may be specific to my server but I really haven’t noticed much of an impact from the pay to win that exists. If you’re willing to grind you can stay level with anyone whether or not they’re ptw
@pragmaticeagle4832Ай бұрын
Played most of these on this list & actually agree on the ranking of all of them. The only thing I slightly disagree on is that Skyforge actually had fun combat once you go past the overly long tutorial. That's it, everything else was spot on. Nothing against someone using their money how they want on games but it's incredibly sad that there are enough willing to throw money at bad games that it's becoming par for the course. Until there is an incentive to create a great MMO with a quality monetization model, I fear the genre will continue to look exactly the same as it does today. That's such a shame.
@imogen122 күн бұрын
Imagine being sponsored by RAID in the year 2024. That just tells us we can discount EVERYTHING you say
@Mormont60818 күн бұрын
Agreed 😂😂
@questfinder9762Ай бұрын
Cool Video ! Thanks for the suggestions , personally i can't wait for pantheon rise of the fallen..my last hope. Old school gameplay with hopefully even more good graphic in the future,i have to be carefull with moobs (not just one shot them),the need to interact with the other players for the content,real value and actually apperication of the items you have (not just to change them every level,especially if you have good one). That's what i need rn , the irony is that im pvp player.😅
@x_casey3964 күн бұрын
yooooo sick list of MMO's. glad to see UO on the list. Im in a gaming slump right now, may have to check what's going on in albion online these days. hoping ashes of creation will be good, but still not sure how I feel about it... other than that, waiting to see what guildwars3 will bring to the table ( hopefully better pvp compared to GW2 )
@Keldon3347 күн бұрын
My sweet baby Aion you’ll forever be my favorite MMO of all time. Hearing that main menu theme always gives me the best wave of nostalgia.
@MrVoodoods22 күн бұрын
I’m surprised you didn’t include Warframe. Older, but still legit. Actually pretty amazing
@scotter17 күн бұрын
Glad you mentioned Ultima Online (UO). It was my first MMO (maybe THE first MMO?). Fond memories of playing it with friends.
@wizzle-Ай бұрын
Very nice list, Lucky. Always good information. Going to give NewWorld another shot. Cheers!
@objektifphone9 күн бұрын
I have nearly 4000 hours in ESO. I am still playing. I mostly play PVP but right now I am developing skills for my supporting characters and I will play PVP with all of them.
@zubay22Ай бұрын
I'm a little confused, you grade wow classic (and actual wow), but you grade both the "live" versions of EQ1 and EQ2 and not the TLE/TLP's which are both much more populated than the regular game... take Teek server on EQ1 most populated EQ1 server of all time 25 years after the game came out
@powder8414Ай бұрын
Warhammer online has a ton of people playing it now on the private server it’s a lot of fun still
@wretchedknave5740Ай бұрын
One of the best MMO's of all time.
@AraujoFelipeSEАй бұрын
Best pvp game, indisputably.
@itsCenkBroАй бұрын
547 pple currently, not a ton of people fyi
@TheLMBLucas18 күн бұрын
Looks like a decent tier list to me, I'm just confused on why you listed games like Skyforge and Tera but not MMORPGs that exist today like PSO2 or Maple Story
@user-Atamigaputer20 күн бұрын
Would have been nice to hear about the very very first MMO being Meridian 59, also Vanguard
@clarencejames706Ай бұрын
If you're going to put Ultima Online on your list, you should throw "The Realm" on there too.
@WolfKriegerEsqАй бұрын
Really loved this video. Isn't it crazy how none of the more modern MMOs make it to the S or A tiers? What I wouldn't give for a new fresh version of Eve Online to be released using a modern engine and state of the art programming. We can only hope. I do think that ESO probably deserves to be bumped up to at least A tier due to the breadth of the game and it can be played from virtually any interest angle (social, crafting, pve, pvp).... as well as no pay to win. But, great job! Can't wait for the next modern MMO that is DONE RIGHT!
@fsociety665416 күн бұрын
That was an interesting outlook on old and new MMOs, Thank you. Taking for granted you ranked them based on their playability today, I would put Eve Online in B tier, at least. Not only It's actually free at its based with enough to enjoy but also had a much bigger impact compared to those in C tier and even most B tier. ESO being an A tier is debatable but in my experience I'm fine with that. It could easily be an in between A and S. Anywho, There's my 2 cents. Cheers ;)
@LuckyGhost16 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, it's great to hear your perspective!
@DreamSleepRelaxxАй бұрын
Am I the only one who played Forsaken World? Loved that game
@danuki6240Ай бұрын
I did as well but sadly it was P2W since the beginning.
@christopherfryer610816 күн бұрын
Great to see Throne and Liberty in the C category..i stopped playing when the only piece of gear i needed was in the Auction House and would have cost me $400 for the 1 item. I haven't been on the game after that.
@t5kcannon1Ай бұрын
A decent list and very good video. WoW classic era is numbered one for me. The race is for second place!
@Eiranova23 күн бұрын
Not adding Ragnarok Online here is criminal. Came out in early 2000s and took asian countries by storm
@mattdrifts5 күн бұрын
Wildstar deserved a mention
@pipz420Ай бұрын
Still playing final fantasy 11 right now.
@SomeGuyFromUtahАй бұрын
Wow classic kinda blowin up right now with the 2nd launch of the vanilla standard game. They said they got enough players to justify 55 servers based on 2004 server population. Also - Onlyfangs is dominating twitch. I do wish I knew what the future held for this 2nd iteration of non-seasonal classic.
@RaidofdАй бұрын
True to an extent, wow is good at hyping things up. But that will be gone in a month or two when everybody is bored of it. Wow is on a nostalgia tour right now it’s making them money.
@AndresEmilioSotoRealEstateАй бұрын
Great video and thank you for compiling this. Some of your C list games should be in its own D tier list.
@Lodosswar100Ай бұрын
Top notch list, hitting up the golden oldies.... Asherons Call was so good in its heyday its hard to even describe how good DakTide server was.
@LaSangreNegraАй бұрын
Play Project Gorgon instead. Developed by former AC developers. It is everything you have been looking for when it comes to a more modern AC successor.
@hindurashtra636 күн бұрын
Cool video, thank you. I can see you put a lot of time making this video.
@csJorgen5 күн бұрын
I just started to explore these type of games my current favourite is Diablo 4, i feel like there is always something to do in mmos/rpgs it never gets boring and looting systems/leveling systems is satisfying af.
@LuckyGhostАй бұрын
Thanks for watching 🙏 Do you think any MMOs should have been rated higher or lower? Let me know why and I'll keep it in mind next time!
@comradestannisАй бұрын
RuneScape 3 is great. I think it should've been much, much higher.
@PlantsAndInsectsАй бұрын
@@comradestannisit has an insane monetization structure and it literally pushes gambling onto people. It has so many tricks to try and get people to sign in daily, which means more chances for it to sell MTX to people. It needs to fix that, fix the FOMO structure, make the combat actually fun, and bring back the wilderness. They can either restructure the wilderness so people don't lose their items, or create PVP worlds where the whole world is dangerous except banks, etc.
@grymshaderpgАй бұрын
You should consider their player count tho. What's the point if the game is A, B or S tier if the population is low. For example Eve Online, why you put it in C tier? Eve online have quite large player count about 3k avg, compared to Lord of The Rings with avg 900ish and Star Trek Online 1k avg player count. I think tier list should consider this matter.
@cyberpunkzombie9461Ай бұрын
Great video over all, but i'm a little sad you didn't cover Anarchy Online. It's one of the originals. Maridian 59, Everquest, World of Warcraft and Anarchy Online.
@WulfgeirАй бұрын
You forgot Maplestory again. Elyon servers have been shut down in the US for 2 years, why even mention a game you can't play?
@NovaCorpLive7 күн бұрын
Just wondering if you heard of the Eden Shard for DaoC. Really breathes some new life into the game.
@Zaurox829 күн бұрын
I was wondering about your opinion on Tarisland. Is it worth playing?
@MoJoWipHDАй бұрын
Why do people think throne is pay to win.. all of the stuff you loot, you sell on the auction house for that cash currency. I have not spent a cent in the game and I am rank 44 on immortality server for PVP. I promise you, money is not preventing you from doing well in PVP in throne and liberty.
@LuckyGhostАй бұрын
Tell me you're not in the top guild without telling me you're not in the top guild
@MoJoWipHDАй бұрын
@@LuckyGhost Lmao, bro, I am in #1 guild in immortality server. Smoke pirates. MoJoWip is in game name. I literally AM in the top guild.
@MoJoWipHDАй бұрын
@@LuckyGhost I just think people saw the auction house as real money currency and didn't realize how much of that currency you can make from just playing the game. I am at 40K total lucent made, F2P. 4K gearscore.
@Anthony318720 күн бұрын
@@MoJoWipHD not to mention you can do the exact same thing in WoW if you buy wow tokens to sell for gold to then use on the auction house... it's the same thing just streamlined more
@krh6265 күн бұрын
Asheron's Call has a few private servers but mainly 2 that are very active and are being actively developed with new custom and restored content. It definitely wouldn't be short lived I'll tell you that much.
@viamdolor9226Ай бұрын
Guild Wars 1 is still amazing and definitely worth playing. It has enough of a population too.
@jcv217Ай бұрын
its without a doubt my favorite game over all
@FYBxSelmaboy28 күн бұрын
I’m going to give it try burnt out playing eso
@Yakumo00o2 күн бұрын
Still has the best skilling system!
@tristan4893Ай бұрын
As someone who is an avid MMO fan since 2000 and has played most of the MMOs listed here, I agree with 90% of what you said in this video.
@LetUsReasonTogetheyr7 күн бұрын
Dungeons and Dragons Online is great if you want to pull five of your friends and family in to create a 6 player Party and play the quests together. When first launched, it had little solo player content and though they changed it over time to cater to solo players, at its heart it is still a game to play with others. Like many old games, it has had a lot of power creep and, frankly, efforts to make it easier for newer generations that on average seem to prefer games that aren't too hard, at least not until end-game. But, they also added the ability to choose the difficultly level of the quests, most of which are instanced, so that if you are like me, you can make it hard enough that you HAVE to work together to succeed. Still my go to game for playing with a static group of friends and family.
@theflashbackrackshackАй бұрын
A brand new Lord of the Rings MMORPG is what I want!
@sohjuwuАй бұрын
Throne and Liberty having to use cash as a currency for the auction house makes it kinda not P2W, don’t you think? Because F2P players can farm and sell their loots to auction house, gain cash currency and use that to make themselves stronger. It can be pay to win if you want to advance fast. But you can also still be F2P and have the same gear as P2W players. It just takes a lot of grinding.
@ttoe21Ай бұрын
Don't defend that shitty game
@Despond20 күн бұрын
@@ttoe21 This. It's a horrible economy and shop system. People realized this pretty early on the Western release, and one of the worst loot systems. It's like a poverty BDO and also is highly unoptimized.
@ain.Ай бұрын
I spent 850 Hours in Throne and Liberty and your judgement is unfortunately spot-on. Do not waste your time on this game. It looks great but literally everything else is really bad.
@Sauce-keАй бұрын
So you have to spend 850 hrs before you realized that everything else is bad? sounds like you're lying. No one will spend 850 hrs on a game they dont enjoy even if you're unemployed.
@wrinkmdАй бұрын
Where would you rate Corepunk?
@goyf9095Ай бұрын
I'm glad Wizard101 was on there, that game means a lot to me! Very biased because it's my nostalgia MMO and I've played it forever, and it definitely has it's fair share of problems, I think B tier is a respectable fair rating for it at the moment (for a new player that is).
@DarkMewtwo1994Ай бұрын
Tier list was definitely interesting to watch but seemed... Inconsistent Like you said nothing bad about wizard101 but put it in B? The same tier you put other games that you had some negative opinions on. Also no maplestory?? Still gave me some good ideas for games to try. Liked and subbed 😊
@joecarlson699Ай бұрын
I appreciate the honestly regarding my MMO of choice, Albion. The game is doing great from a player retention/growth perspective and is far from dead (even though the reddit will say the exact opposite lmao), but the P2W or pay for convenience is slowly becoming more egregious. I will keep playing since I enjoy it so much and the updates over the last year have been stellar overall, but I have to admit that it is HARD being a solely F2P player! Great vid, I liked hearing about the state of some MMOs i dont keep up with too much
@Outlawproductions582Ай бұрын
If Albion is hard for you as a Free to play player you need to start watching Swolebenji i can easily make 10 million in a day
@Outlawproductions582Ай бұрын
I have T8 Gathering and all i do is gather for 8 hours refine then sell its like 10 to 12 mil also i do have max spec in T4 animals so i get the most amount of yield
@marquecapone25 күн бұрын
So I don't know if anyone remembers this one, but between EQ and WoW was a cool game called Shadowbane. Player owned cities, guild wars where sieges actually could cost you significant playtime, a tiered class system. It was pretty awesome. Supposedly it's gonna be relaunched and is in beta. I just hope it goes to console.
@SmithyBDM24 күн бұрын
Thanks for the list. There is one BUT, Throne and Liberty is for sure P2W, but there is a twist, people who know what to do, were able to farm around 50k pay currency without spending a cent in the first few weeks of the release. So the issue isn't the p2w, but the freedom given to players in game to monopolyze servers, and the INSANE LAG even on high end pc during mass PVP which is the main content in the game, which was the main reason i quit. (i have an 3070ti, i can't immagine how bad is to play this game on lower end pcs)
@nxnit29 күн бұрын
The number of Black Desert Online players is huge in this world... those who haven't played it should try it once in their life! Even though the game is 10 years old
@Sam-CollinsАй бұрын
Great list but why you didn't mention Secret World Legends (The Secret World)?
@slumpvisst11 күн бұрын
Absolutely wonderful atmosphere in that game
@flosipalay2948Ай бұрын
Knocking down GW2 a tier for lacking the holy trinity is weird and the reason why the MMO climate lacks innovation.
@iridradiantАй бұрын
I thought the same thing!
@SteeleKnight27Ай бұрын
That wasn’t his only reason, though. It had to do with a lack of content involving the holy trinity and also the cool stuff usually being locked behind the cash shop. If it was only one of those things, I’m sure it would be S tier, but it was compiled for him. I love me some GW2, but these are both pretty big problems for why it can’t pull more numbers or why it tends to fall behind the mmo juggernauts. While I understand that GW2 does indeed have these things in the game to some extent, they’re not intuitive at all and new players can burn out trying to figure it out. I know the wizards vault has been really cool, but that’s still just a “shop” and not a reward for doing something cool. Likewise, dungeons/trials are a pain to get into and not explained at all unless you go well out of your way to figure it out.
@iridradiantАй бұрын
@@SteeleKnight27 "lack of content involving the holy trinity"... The game was literally designed to avoid the holy trinity, which is why pulling it down to A tier because of that I agree is weird. Although, I do agree with you that the tutorial for some of the systems could either use improvement or just having one at all. The Wizard's Vault lets players do a variety of things to build up the points to get the thing they want; better that than putting the loot behind a low drop rate, a hard boss, or both which would require grinding. You are compensated for your time and effort and will eventually get the thing that you are after. I'm glad that the most challenging content (raids and the Queen's Gauntlet held during the Festival of the Four Winds) reward titles so the more casual players don't complain about missing out on that part of "fashion wars".
@SteeleKnight27Ай бұрын
@@iridradiant maybe we misinterpreted what he was saying, but I took it more as lack of things like dungeons, etc. as opposed to legit holy trinity. Lucky ghost understands there is great group content in the open world, but a serious lack of dungeon support. And those dungeons that do exist could be completely missed. I’ve beaten 2 expansions and never touched a dungeon. Also, I know the reward structure is a matter of perspective, so I don’t fully disagree with you. I think the wizards vault is cool, but I also wish we had more good, grindable things to earn outside of the hero points and the wizards vault. It should be both, not just one or the other. Wizards vault is a massive step up from what they previously had, but still well below the S tier game’s methods.
@iridradiantАй бұрын
@@SteeleKnight27 You may be right. However, GW2 does still put in new fractals but a lot less often than other MMOs. There's no "dungeon" support because of how Anet defined GW2 dungeons in vanilla and then abandoned that definition (story path + 3 explorable paths set somewhere in the open world map) when they decided it was not tenable for them to keep at it - which is how fractals got added. Kinda speculating here, but I think that Anet are trying to push the mastery system and earning the expansion's relics as the "grindable things" by tying them behind the achievement system - which is why they nerfed the legendary relic the way they did. The true grind they added was the achievement thing with doing the heart quest hubs over and over, which I think was a little lame but added at least some reason to not just make the map "flyover country". At least with it, doing the area's events still counts for something besides accumulating karma.
@donharris8371Ай бұрын
Just wondering if you might add Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted. My husband and I played it when it launched in 2003 (as Horizon: Empire of Istaria), and it was fun in the beginning as the player community had to figure out ways to reach inaccessible lands or discover "lost" races that would then become playable. Plus it was known as the first MMORPG that had dragons as playable races.
@donschiffer740017 күн бұрын
I agree on most but a game like EverQuest should be much higher. It was huge in its day, and a massive influence on a lot of games like WoW. There are still aspects of the game I miss to this day.
@ThelaretusАй бұрын
I often play RuneScape on mobile but recently I decided to install Black Desert Mobile and hated it.
@relax646628 күн бұрын
Black Desert no es para moviles, es una patata en móvil, donde es potente es en pc.
@Briedys101Ай бұрын
Thank you for the great MMO's review sir. I love that you reviewed old and new ones. Simply, I had time to review and choose a game for myself about 10-15 years ago, now i'm not :) And sometimes you just want to grab some game and play for a couple of weeks or month :)
@mistervertigogamingАй бұрын
Have you considered putting Star Wars: Galaxies on your list? I know the official live servers were shut down many years ago, but the private server community is pretty strong. There were a couple others you listed that have shut down. This MMO in it's original form is literally the game I compare all other MMOs to this day. The crafting and resource system were like nothing else at the time, and I'm not sure any other game has done it the same since. The housing was top-notch. The player driven economy worked. Just curious if you ever played!
@captainharlock3998Ай бұрын
Shout out to Mortal Online 2 (the 2021 is MO2. MO is much older). Amazing mmo that is well worth a try, and as you said, the devs are really active, communicate, and try to make the best full PvP mmo out there. Worth a try.
@einer1314Ай бұрын
EQ puts out an xpac every year. It probably has the most content of any mmo.
@IshrolКүн бұрын
EQ is the king imo, no MMO has come close to what EQ did throughout the years
@DJN1701Ай бұрын
I think you missed the monetization in Star Trek Online. Ships that cost hundreds of dollars, loot (gamble) boxes with well under a 1% chance to win.
@LuckyGhostАй бұрын
You are right, I'll have to add that to the next update
@noandroid5329Ай бұрын
@@LuckyGhostin sto it is not paywalled. You can grind smartly ingame currency to convert to cash shop currency and also you have yearly campaign which rewards you with a choice of those.expensive ships from promo packs and lockboxes. You also Are rewarded lockbox premium currency for.playing the campaign. And also get coupons also 100% free for the slightly cheaper cash shop ships. F2p with enough grind can be lagging only year behind meta in a year. And you can play events 4 times a year for endgame free ship. Three is 460 ships endgame yet you fly just 1 and 7 other for trait in a build. Few 0-12 avg 4 more for consoles depending on build. F2p can be all set in just 3years of participation without grind optimized year behind meta build.
@thierrypapilloncoachingАй бұрын
One of the few people to mention old games like Aion, thank you 🙏
@thierrypapilloncoachingАй бұрын
I still play today, on the EuroAion private server where they stopped at patch 4.6 before everything went nuts.
@caseybrasher8476Ай бұрын
What about Anarchy Online, was always one of my favorite games
@zimnelredoran9985Ай бұрын
Big list you had there! The one I don't agree with is Skyforge, it was good when it launched and for the next two years. The combat was fluid and the classes I tried I liked them. As a plus the BSO was good. As a side note, I feel like The Lord of the Rings Online is underrated here, still a good game after all these years where you can play at your own very slow pace if you wish-
@DeadLink404_Ай бұрын
A small sleeper MMO is AQ3D. 100% free, one time payment optional for “Guardian” status ($20). Never ending updates and all payed items are strictly cosmetic, but you can earn enough premium currency for free with daily login chests. (I have about 200$ worth for free)
@Rogue0DK23 күн бұрын
I would add City Of Heroes to this list. A superhero / villain - game that had its servers shut down years ago. HOWEVER something happened that, to my knowledge has never happened before: Unofficial server opened up and after several years these unofficial servers has been granted an official license. So this means that City Of Heroes is officially back, thanks to dedication from both fans and publisher. Oh and its really fun, with both PvE and PvP content. Need a cherry on top? Character creation options leaves DC Universe Online in the dust.
@Papiness17 күн бұрын
I just wish more recent MMOs can innovate with the classic class-based party roles (healers, buffers, debuffers, tanks, etc.) and not just the typical one-man army endgame boring stuff. Its so boring and defeats the purpose of it being Multiplayer if everyones is just another DPS turret
@TruthNMyLiesАй бұрын
I wonder why in all these tier lists no one ever mentions Dekaron/2moons. its what got me into mmorpgs when i was like 12 lol
@EB-bl6ccАй бұрын
too obscure I guess. Can't include every single MMO that's ever existed or there'd be like 300+ things to list
@BaalichoАй бұрын
thinking the same about tibia, like c'mon was pretty popular 20 years ago and still dropping content
@creatorsremoseАй бұрын
Other than putting WoW in the A tier at best (mainly because of the outdated mechanics and graphics - also for me it doesn't have any nostalgic value), I actually agree with you on all of them. Good job!
@HorizunTheAlien22 күн бұрын
Great tier list, you missed Dofus 3.0 though.
@Tyranno-Bore-UsАй бұрын
I wish Modern MMORPGs used Dark Age Of Camelot's RvR/PVP system
@D4rkMatter1975Ай бұрын
I have fond memories of EQII I played it a few years after launch so most of the glaring bugs had been fixed it was my first MMO thoroughly enjoyed my time with it!🎉
@radio_liminoid14 күн бұрын
EVE Online deserves a higher spot. It's extremely different from all of the other entries, and in many ways less successful, but in many ways it's uniquely unparalleled. I haven't played in ages, but I've never had an experience like it.
@Jeff-rn7bmАй бұрын
Fun list. EQ1 > All imo. But I also love many of the newer MMOs like Pax Dei. High hopes for Monsters and Memories! (And putting EQ1 and EQ2 on the same tier makes no sense.)
@ryananon7797 күн бұрын
Neverwinter IS my main MMO in 2025. The combat is so much fun. However, I did start downloading Guild Wars II a little while ago. Could it knock Neverwinter into number 2? After ten years?! We shall see :)
@Chronic_GainzАй бұрын
My main MMO is ESO but I have tried New World, Guild Wars 2, & WoW. Planning on giving the other games another chance as ESO is in a weird spot in my opinion (still great… just idk) I’m excited for Ashes of Creation though but who knows when or if it ever comes out. Also heard about a LoL MMO that is being worked on and that sounds interesting too.