Moana Theory: Tamatoa's True Identity

Today is the day! The day we answer the long unanswered question from Disney's Moana of Tamatoa's true identity!
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[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

Yes, Maui chopped off one of Tamatoa's legs, but that changes nothing, you can still see half of the leg he chopped off

[@josephwelch547]

SuperCarlinBrothers I was thinking he was Mr. Waternoose.

[@tomdaninja3249]

REPLY TO ME!!!

[@lcky1184]

SuperCarlinBrothers NOTICE ME SENPAI

[@myanicole5055]

SuperCarlinBrothers true

[@xaz4644]

I AM SUPERINTENDENT SUPERCALINBR BRO SUPER FAN

[@Jordan_Giese]

"King of the sea, practically a god! Thats almost as good as being powerful as A boat" XD so funny

[@Mjgaming54321]

The thing that makes me LOL is that Triton IS a god!!!!! In Greek mythology. And the son of the Greek god Poseidon in Greek mythology, the next thing he says!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Slipknot4769]

That had me rollin' too.

[@orio_edible]

King of red lions

[@gustaf3811]

Well Triton is actually the son a of a god but he isn't a true god so that means he is Hercules cusin with other words a Demigod.

[@Conditionings]

Moved it from 300 likes to 301

[@tankunicorn134]

Anything: _Has a swirl_ SuperCarlinBrothers: _THE HEART_

[@uncleiroh8252]

*Y E S*

[@taylorlynnnorsey4978]

T R U E

[@omegaflowey9932]

5:09

[@jinandtonic8262]

fun fact: Triton is actually a God, in Greek mythology Triton is the son of Poseidon. Triton is king of the ocean because control over it was given to him by his father

[@rosevenom0885]

cool i was wondering about that

[@TntRaider12]

Hi I knew that

[@foxes321]

Dang it, I was going to comment that. :(

[@xxgachawolfxxrobert7344]

Fun fact: Poseidon is related to God/Heracles dad and you know how Hades is brother to god/Heracles dad and Poseidon son is Triton and Triton's daughter is Ariel and God/Heracles dad son is Heracles so that makes Ariel and Heracles 3rd cousins⊙▪⊙.

[@real_nosferatu]

@@xxgachawolfxxrobert7344 did you just call zeus "God"?!

[@hauntedteethcupboard]

"who gets stabbed by a boat???!!!" Ursela does.

[@timplayz8705]

thats the joke!

[@gavindinsmoor8196]

It's called a rhetorical question

[@erin1912]

Have you looked into the theory that Tomatoa was an owner of the magic lamp? Being he a scavenger, he found the lamp. It would also explain why the Genie said, "Your a lot smaller than my last master." It's really interesting!

[@MinecraftCutiepie]

How did he "rub" the lamp tho? D'you think he... licked it?? Or? I imagine it's kinda hard to rub a golden lamp with you giant crab claws

[@ray-ray5163]

BlueBerryKing BIG MEATY CLAWS I'm sorry

[@k1rapatel275]

This is a good theory! I saw the lamp too and this could be a cool vid idea

[@raquelcorcos2349]

COOL!!

[@xioojunnie4839]

Ghost DanceParty OMG I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY THAT

[@IronDJW]

Extra theory: the reason why tamatoa never comes out his cave is because... He fears seeing boats

[@zankor288]

So true!

[@amandaowens6030]

But he has one on his shell

[@shaioard5922]

Maybe the boat he has on his back is the one that kulked him before

[@chelsyhellen7375]

yaaaaaaa

[@darthestar8791]

Tamatoa: Not the boats! NOT THE BOATS!!!

[@_Toast]

4:08 You could even be as powerful as.. a BOAT xD I love how you just keep reminding us that Ursula was stabbed by a boat xD

[@SSxRoseBF]

So cool

[@amywhitewolf4903]

A boat hey I seen a boat

[@amandaowens6030]

Can I eat you

[@onyx2787]

“Purple is a weird color to be” William afton wants to know your location

[@amandaowens6030]

Ok I live in mars

[@roximoldovan1]

@@amandaowens6030 I am Here

[@alishaanimations3058]

Onyx 27 *Man behind the slaughter wants to know your location*

[@justaloserrr]

and Michael Afton

[@laylagachaxd9808]

XD

[@gabrielmartin3173]

Altrenative Theory: Tamatoa IS Sebastian, as in "Shiny" he says, "Now Tamatoa hasn't always been this glam, I was a drab little crab once." This could easily be referring to Sebastian, and it could be another reason why he knows about him at the post credits scene. It's because he WAS Sebastian! (But hey, that's just a theory, a commentor's theory!)

[@Misto_deVito6009]

Mr. Money wow i had the same theory

[@Holunderfaerie]

Mr. Money If you consider the time thats bullshit. Moana Sets place Waaay before the little Mermaid

[@Misto_deVito6009]

Antonia which means the ursila theroy is falce aswell so that doesnt really matter

[@silverquill101]

What up film theory reference!

[@StaK_1980]

not bad, not bad at all

[@Daviddv]

Also, the way Tamatoa sang Shiny, it gave me a bit of a "Poor Unfortunate Soul" vibe.

[@Sighbot]

DAY-V Entertainment™ What? Really? Both songs sound very different.

[@obsidiangarbage6741]

Cybot2966 yes, but I understand. the way he was singing to moana in the storytelling way?

[@brandonmendoza4493]

IMO Shiny was kinda shit. It just didn't seem appropriate for the flow of the movie. But that's my two cents.

[@Catsby83]

DAY-V Entertainment™ Have you heard Lin's demo version?

[@jairabrownlee348]

Brandon Ok but picture Tamatoa beating up Maui without music. That would be pretty dark.

[@Rose-eg2et]

Nobody: J: "WHO GETS STABBED BY A BOAT!?!?!?"

[@somkuanbandhit505]

J; That is easy.. The guy on the boat, his name starts with J

[@dan0man223]

thats what i was thinking! a boat isnt even sharp!

[@Kevin_Theadore1]

: ○ I do

[@tiffanyvalentine9433]

Ursula

[@gavindinsmoor8196]

@@dan0man223 Well, depends on what model of a boat it is. There's probably at least one type of boat with a pointy front

[@KyBerLeger]

Actually, Tamatoa's true identity is "Best Moana Character"

[@surel9392]

Nice :3 👍

[@jmc2679]

Yea I agree

[@Averymcgowan_1203]

Agree

[@gracerooney1349]

no hay hay is

[@KyBerLeger]

@@gracerooney1349 take that back

[@joriskleijn6708]

Tamatoma = mr.crabs cuz they both like and want gold

[@themightypicklerex7688]

Mr Krabs lives in modern times. so maybe another reincarnation produced a slightly less villainous version.

[@wulras5313]

Dun dun dunnnn ._.

[@juliancardwell5808]

Joris Kleijn :0

[@justarando7916]

Joris Kleijn /🎶Shiny...🎶

[@tomatoathegiantdecapod6782]

Joris Kleijn yes i noticed that

[@Dayonder]

Even with the thousand year span, the timing still doesn't add up. The directors based the movie off an actual period in Polynesian history where all exploration and voyaging was halted for roughly 1000 years before picking up again. That was about 3000 years ago, meaning that Moana takes place about 2000 years ago, while The Little Mermaid takes place in like the 1600s-ish.

[@donaldpickering7757]

The fact that this doesn't have any likes is troublesome.

[@ellavoslinsky_flute]

Right, the directors of the movie said that the movie takes place 2 thousand years ago. So I don't know how he added time there.

[@andrewnoble557]

also keep in mind that Maui knew of Tamatoa previous to his exile on that island. Thus Tamatoa existed prior to the halt of exploration, and the timing is all completely invalid

[@quillheart0331]

Furthermore about timing; In the opening prologue of the movie Tamatoa is trying to get the Heart of Tefiti WHILE Tefiti is still around and while the people of the island are still exploring. This proves even more so the timing doesn't add up. If I had to guess I would assume Ursula and Tamatoa would probably know each other because well...evil, near immortal God-like beings but I don't believe they're the same person.

[@Lovesickobsession19]

Quill Heart 03 I bet they were pen pals

[@arjunalwe7697]

Thanos is Ursula's brother

[@tvbbocam6269]

I- this- its just so- perfect....

[@amandasmalley1970]

Hmmmm I like it

[@michaelvls5994]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat that is so cool

[@sleep170]

no I don’t think ursula is from titan..... thanos is the last titan

[@arjunalwe7697]

@@sleep170 I smell the wooosh

[@x.crazy.x6668]

Watching this in 2019, realizes this isn’t about tomahtoa, it’s about Ursula dies by a boat😂

[@soft9257]

Coral Baby so funny! 🤣

[@vic_cresss]

Tamatoa*

[@jenniferalexander8384]

Lol 😆

[@musicman12395]

Only one huge flaw with this theory, Tamatoa like all coconut crabs has 10 legs. The final two legs are used for different purposes depending on the gender of the crab but generally relate to mating and releasing eggs, these two legs are held inside the crabs abdomen and are unable to be seen normally unless you witness them using them or dissect them, and with that your theory is null and void, good day.

[@dragonwithamonocle]

Tamatoa is also not a coconut crab. He doesn't have the right shape to be one. Coconut crabs are just a giant species of hermit crab, and a hermit crab without a shell has a very specific look. They have a long tubular abdomen that normally holds them in their shells, but coconut crabs get too big to fit in any shells, so they just kinda tuck it under themselves. We see Tamatoa flipped over, and he does not have this tubular abdomen. He also has a pair of flattened back legs, which swimming crabs have but nonswimming crabs, like hermit crabs (and by extension, coconut crabs) lack. Ergo, he is not a coconut crab.

[@mattytantium1119]

and maui cut of one of his leg

[@goinawol9447]

musicman12395 half of the leg is still there

[@saint2600]

DapperDragon This same guy said tamatoa is actually a coconut crab so, you are incorrect. Tamatoa even fits the criteria for coconut crabs. 10 legged, collects shiny things, isolated and he even fits the shape of one.

[@tawnybudgieisbored3709]

musicman12395 Wow

[@cam10287]

Have you looked at Moana starting 152 years before Finding Nemo? The turtle Moana saves could totally be Crush.

[@mayggrome]

Cameron Chesbro That what i was thinking!!! finally somone agrees

[@haileynicole7878]

Omg yas!!!

[@ThePurpleandahalf]

No green sea turtles can't live up to 150 years old and still swim that fast also if he was 150 years old he wouldn't talk like that

[@mayggrome]

NAJ Twirtlaw lol have u even seen finding nemo? crush the hreen sea turtle is 150 years old... so the turtle in moana is crush.... think before u speak: )

[@cam10287]

NAJ Twirtlaw I don't think Disney always uses the most believable traits when it comes to animals (Heihei shallows a stone that should have killed it). I agree in real life a green sea turtle would live that long, but Crush literally tells Marlin that is how old he is. I am guessing they are using leatherback tutle age with a green sea turtles look. As far as the way he talks, I don't find this to be an issue because it's a turtle talking. How do we know what accent they carry?

[@ktchimmy5823]

😂☠️ WHO DIES FROM A BOAT! 8:23 legit love it when characters talk to us 😆

[@saanshi]

Almost as powerful as *a boat* I'm dying 😂😂😂😂😂

[@caseykittten]

If you'd looked up decapods, you'd know that the coconut crab is a decapod, and it's back two legs are very small and concealed within the shell as they're generally only used in reproduction. In fact, the "look it up" line is probably directed at people like yourself who are confused as to why Tamatoa describes himself as a decapod when he only has eight visable legs. So, look it up! No, really! ;)

[@zvxcvxcz]

+Joshua Dewing Yes, but just to clarify, these are not the last two, but are the 4th pair, the last two are usually concealed, Wikipedia: "The fourth pair of legs is smaller with tweezer-like chelae at the end, allowing young coconut crabs to grip the inside of a shell or coconut husk to carry for protection; adults use this pair for walking and climbing. The last pair of legs is very small and is used by females to tend their eggs, and by the males in mating.[10] This last pair of legs is usually held inside the carapace, in the cavity containing the breathing organs. "

[@malikthomas5241]

Casey Kitten its 6 legs 2 claws

[@RTRAso]

Casey Kitten I'm a little late but if you watch the movie a few times he said "not until I ripped his legs off" so I think that is why he has 6 legs

[@ilovegon75]

Also Maui explains that he tore one of his arms off

[@pluto8835]

you! You make an amazing point!!!

[@issytheamateurnerd9877]

Anyone else think that his theories are a HUGE stretch at the beginning but are actually kind of convinced at the end😅😅😅

[@MegaLpso]

You can tell Disney was having fun with his story and the clever little secrets. I think that tomatoa knew Maui when he was alive, and that's why he says he knows him.

[@zelicca]

The last time I was this early, Aaron Burr hadn't killed Alexander Hamilton yet.

[@zelicca]

Wow three likes in seven minutes, Am I getting trolled here?

[@j.bailey8913]

Twilightkitty Animations I thought Aaron burr was the one killed in the duel

[@stiffsocks5979]

J.bailey89 WRONG

[@mimi_h]

Twilightkitty Animations so about 200 yeaes ago?

[@wastedshavingcream]

J.bailey89 BOI

[@peeblekitty5780]

5:15 Tamatoa, Ursula, Yzma, Maleficent, Randall, Dr. Facilier, Dave, Crazy Minions, Celia, Queen Grimhilde, Tempest... I don't think that's a shock. Movie villains seem to have a habit of being purple.

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

Thanos

[@arielle691]

Thanos

[@radwankhatib563]

Thanos

[@radwankhatib563]

@Miyoko Mosby Shaggy represents power

[@silkiesanimations7295]

Peeble Kitty It’s also because Purple is a ROYAL color, so that point didn’t make sense to me

[@enderhammerjts1184]

Ha ha he said inevitable endgame reference Thanos is purple

[@Jonny_bo1]

You made a reference in a shoutout

[@DanielaGonzalez-yl5is]

SuperCarlinBrothers: hey brothers James Charles: hey sisters

[@brandonchan5387]

Markiplier: hey everybody

[@lou6160]

Hey sister-brother sisters No brother

[@Nessarn]

Pewdiepie: hej monika

[@masterfoxify7526]

Tobuscus: Hello once again audience :’(

[@meaganhenscheid9305]

Wait-

[@mfwspew]

This theory is good an' all, but It should have been SHINY

[@Samantha-wu2st]

und13m4n XD

[@suzineilson2814]

SHINY

[@yeahoh2222]

und13m4n *OSHAT*

[@marcusbowman5666]

Fuck you...

[@kloigamergirl5710]

Mushpop mushy shiny now it's time to kick your hiny

[@thattwistedmashup4254]

Well someone is disappointed that Ursula got defeted by a BOAT

[@thegamestars6124]

Ya A BOAT

[@thatdragonguy5388]

Defeated*

[@themaintenanceguy7633]

We all were though

[@weirdunknownperson2916]

The boat has a staff of one prone fork

[@melodie-allynbenezra8956]

I LOVE the idea that Tamatoa was the reincarnation of Ursula. That theory works for me.

[@theaveragebloke7965]

I was pretty skeptical until you said that the directors directed both Moana and Little Mermaid. It’s gotta be true

[@Gh0stily111]

I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic or not but nah, he says he wasn’t glam until he met Maui, so he can’t be Ursula since shes been that way from the start. Also, little mermaid is set in the 1800’s, way after the time in which Moana takes place.

[@Avalon_Swiftwind]

Maui breaks fourth wall when he says "Boat snack!!!" just thought i'd throw that out there. :)

[@crackedemerald4930]

tru

[@stelanora7827]

you mean *A* boat snack

[@asexualbert7262]

Actually I believe he was just sort of talking to himself or to HeiHei, sort of just self-narrating. Seeing that he has been stuck on the island for quite a while it isn't a far stretch to say that he may have gotten into a habit of this type.

[@TalysAlankil]

He also references Twitter, which I'm pretty sure isn't meant to be purely diegetic.

[@shawnmc1275]

TalysAlankil well it was just a referenced joke

[@raulparedesjr.3196]

GUYS HE'S MR.CRABS

[@raulparedesjr.3196]

Cream The Rabbit! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@laurieveron6294]

MR. CRABS IS DEAD ??!!

[@laurieveron6294]

MR. CRABS IS DEAD ??!!

[@beepboop2458]

challeng mc slicer OH YEAH MR KRABS

[@hannahr6488]

challeng mc slicer HOLY CRAP THAT ACTUALLY WORKS!!!

[@Laserjet-po3rc]

We all know who Tamatoa really is, it’s Schrafilla Productions.

[@yoshifan1239]

Yes

[@thereal_kalistino]

Ursela: I want ur voice. Tamatoa: i want ur weapons for my she Areil: no ursela *stabs wit da boat.* Moana: no tamatoa *flips so he cant move*

[@PosiDoesMore]

Also, in Shiny, Tamatoa said this line: "Shiny, like the treasure from a sunken pirate wreck." This implies that: 1: Tamatoa knows what a pirate ship is, which shouldn't be possible if Moana took place before The Little Mermaid. 2: He might have used that specific expression because he had an experience with a pirate ship himself, possibly in a past life. Note that there is a pirate wreck in The Little Mermaid. So, he could have been referencing that wreck, further supporting the idea that he's Ursula.

[@earthensystem3524]

Excuse me, did you forget about the little coconut guys that chased down Moana and Maui? Those guys were pirates.

[@Mothman1992]

Pirates have been around for as long as stuff has been on ships

[@ebonytides01]

Um...what about.... *S E B A S T I A N??*

[@alexrichardson425]

And then that pirate ship is the wreck of Elsa and Anna's parent's ship which means it would be filled with shiny sparkly treasure

[@themaintenanceguy7633]

And he was killed by a ship A SHIP A SHIP A FREAKING SHIP!!

[@jafarihana]

Can we take a minute to address this theory: *URSULA THE DRAG QUEEN* okay continue

[@elizabethmoore9181]

Hana Jafari Ursala was based on Devine the drag queen. :)

[@evilded2]

Hana Jafari zo

[@MvK30UTH1LL]

lightnings silence lefou

[@randomgirll3123]

Hana Jafari XD I mean it's basically cannon.

[@randomgirll3123]

Tera Shewchenko I still loved Ursula... I mean... she was one of the best parts of The Little Mermaid to be honest.

[@rainbowstar8120]

When you realize July hasn't had anything bad happen yet... 2020:C O C O N U T C R A B I N V A S I O N

[@celestejones6744]

Dont give ideas

[@Bluorchid11]

"She lost to A BOAT" "Who gets stabbed by a BOAT?!"

[@malvamalfoy2526]

"But for evil creatures it is typically a dog, a deer" Who else thought of James Potter and Sirius Black?

[@stellahoang701]

Malva Malfoy thx very much from snape: hella yeah they're *EVIL*

[@tuxedocatsocks8668]

I thought I was the only one.

[@Misto_deVito6009]

Or he could easily be Sebastian himself. He had a hard life back then (like Sebastian) AND has 8 legs (LIKE SEBASTIAN!)

[@TheRealGABFilms]

How did he get so big though

[@essay3752]

Lego By Grego he reincarnated... he changed size

[@carlodelacruz2694]

he's not evil to be reincarnated as a coconut crab

[@oscarmarek7746]

“Well tamatoa hasn’t always been this glam, I was a drab little crab once” Sebastian is small. I support this theory

[@nekitamocika7673]

Tamatoa is a coconut crab, which has 10 legs, with the hindmost pair being hidden and used for cleaning their breathing organs, mating and for taking care of their eggs.

[@johannadiaz7380]

Wait- I thought he was moana’s father’s best friend that died-

[@taylorlynnnorsey4978]

I thought so to it would make sense right????

[@gavindinsmoor8196]

That's not possible though. Maui fought Tamatoa years before that, because he was stuck on the island for years too

[@Captain_Ista]

I prefer the idea that Tamatoa and Maui had been allies in the past, searching for the Heart, and towards the end of their journey, Tamatoa turned on Maui, stealing his hook and trying to use its power, turning himself into a crab, and he never used the hook again, as he was scared of turning into something less useful. And, well, their battle ended with Maui defeating Tamatoa, but he kept both the Heart and the Hook.

[@katelynnhardy3865]

yo! person who mentioned that Riley was possibly adopted. I got a Moana theory you might like. Ok, so I'm pretty sure Moana and her family are descendents of Te Fiti. A) Moana and Te Fiti are practically identical B) her grandma has way too much knowledge on the heart, it's like she is deliberately telling Moana these stories as a toddler to enforce a duty plus she turns into a manta ray and comes back as a spirit to tell moana she needs to continue on C) Moana shows signs of these mystical powers when she steps into the cave and gers a vision telling her everything about her tribes past D) both moana ' s Dad and grandma have this intense craving for the ocean too. Her grandma just goes along with it but doesn't do anything and her dad only stopped going to the ocean because his friend died. Which also says something because the ocean clearly didn't want the friend going along but her dad does survive. E) I did some research and even though the goddess Te Fiti is based on -pele - doesn't have kids, she did have a mortal sister.

[@LegoMelonz15]

Katelynn Hardy I really believe this but it would be traumatizing to kids that moana would be holding her relative's heart

[@jimmynutpie839]

Katelynn Hardy Good theory you get a rock 🗿

[@sharonmxlika9516]

Katelynn Hardy nice

[@princessthyemis]

Wow great theory!! I really like it!

[@ele-alien]

Katelynn Hardy That sounds very interesting!

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

What do you think of our new set?!?

[@awesomepersonwholovesdisne5202]

SuperCarlinBrothers nice

[@WeThreeBros]

i like it

[@TheArielAndTrentShow]

SuperCarlinBrothers perfect

[@Mads-sd5ls]

SuperCarlinBrothers ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT

[@archbishopabiabi]

SuperCarlinBrothers I'll let you know when I'm done with the video 😂

[@Andytheratking]

“Purple is a weird color to be” Eggs Benedict nervously sweating

[@PoorFinancialChoices]

People: “One thousand years is a long time.” Thousand year old me: “Eh?”

[@collierhahn4743]

Maui also breaks the 4th wall, by looking directly towards the viewers and saying "boat snack"

[@CozymfDQ320]

What

[@weirdogirl1012]

Derpy Cuttlefish ikr

[@seraphi.m]

not talking to the audience, I think Moana is behind where you're looking so don't just leap to conclusions

[@jennjordan9592]

Moana is in the cave

[@collierhahn4743]

xX_ColaRules_Xx she's not behind it tho. If you actually watched the movie, then you would see she's in a cave, behind him.

[@mr.raptor1083]

I'm gonna reincarnate myself as a coconut crab and steal peoples dishes

[@arkevolver1254]

Sniperfox2006 why not a veliciraptor

[@ryan-nt9fm]

ArkEvolver12 1 cuz u will get experimented on by mad scientists

[@araknidude]

or created by mad scientists and have to dodge spas 12 rounds like the clever girl you are

[@pineappleaesthetic149]

Sniperfox2006 that's a very good idea

[@pineappleaesthetic149]

But I think i would be a badass tattooed manta ray grandma

[@gbnsn5life696]

Tomatoa also said something about the DIAMOND IN THE RUFF line in Aladdin.

[@MsValvee]

He is Aladdin reincarnated as a crab sea god

[@costagauci5719]

Maui also turns into Sven.

[@surel9392]

GBNSN 5Life It's just a reference

[@richardbond1165]

Well it's kinda like being king of Earth and dying in an earthquake

[@blubbree2263]

Not even. If she died to a tidal wave then that would be equivalent but its more like the king of earth being hit and killed by a car 😂

[@Mjgaming54321]

Blub bree no a RV but still

[@ekuaampah4929]

@@blubbree2263 Makes sense.

[@HungGarEarthBender]

Avatar Aang reincarnated into Avatar Korra. Gender problem solved. Aang and Korra both destroyed boats

[@HungGarEarthBender]

Ps, I know how bad you guys want to make an avatar theory video but you feel restricted because it isn't Disney.

[@kaiju9671]

Corey Brown avatar and moana are two completely different things and reincarnation rules might differ but the only thing that reincarnated was that one white spirit and it was only possible because of that the person in the past life has nothing the do with the next one

[@ThatLEGOBoi]

This completely wrecks my theory of Tamatoa being Sebastian's half brother that didn't get enough attention from their mother while Sebastian got all da love so Tamatoa tried to make himself more powerful and important than his brother by becoming as big and shiny as possible and also steal the heart of Tefity or however you spell that junk, which would be why he says that if he was Sebastian you would totally help him.

[@ThatLEGOBoi]

But whatever. Totally doesn't matter that the theory I worked on for two months just got wrecked. Its fine.....

[@broth7905]

LEGO Boi actually you might he right, because maui ripped off tamatoa's leg 1000 years ago, so he is OLD, he existed before ursula died, so he might be her brother, or even father

[@thebestvoice3407]

They're entirely different species of crab.

[@DominickGonza]

LEGO Boi this actually makes a lot of sense but like The Best Voice replied, they are not the same crab. But great theory

[@Misto_deVito6009]

LEGO Boi i mean its still just a theroy. Yours can be correct or incorrect

[@batmanthegreat307]

He was clearly Iron man reincarnated.😂

[@geekia7622]

Batman the great to soon

[@Matthewbest]

No he is Ursula

[@nicolastaitano4238]

It’s “taotaomona,” at least in Micronesia, or on at least Guam😂 good effort doe

[@amandasmalley1970]

It's "Tho" in proper English. Good effort THO.

[@sethmargolis5133]

@@amandasmalley1970 It's "Though" in proper English. Good effort THOUGH.

[@tysonbigslyce752]

@@sethmargolis5133 😂😅

[@carolyncrichton4366]

THANK YOU! At least someone said it.

[@gregorama301522]

something i noticed; the manta ray actually only glows during the night scenes, but in the day, it seemed like an ordinary manta ray. tamatoa actually doesn't start glowing until he closes the 'skylight'.

[@andrewpickett722]

Here's a theory. Tamatoa and Maui obviously have more history than what's shown in the movie. The fact that Tamatoa can speak and act as a human while in animal form, where no other animal / creature speaks including moanas grandma while she is in manta ray form, tekka, or any other creature, suggests to me that he was once human. And the next part of my theory, Tamatoa ended up with the fish hook as a human and tried to use it but got stuck as a coconut crab. Maui found Tamatoa as a crab and they fought and that's when he lost a leg but eventually won, obtaining the hook again. My evidence other than the human speach, Maui should be able to control the hook better than anyone, but after reuniting, he can't get the hook to work properly, suggesting that it takes much work and dedication to get used to it, but Tamatoa gave up and stayed as a crab

[@chulhohong9357]

Who wants a Moana Origins? Like when Maui said he ripped Tamatoa’s leg off. I wanna see that anyone else!?

[@benjaminwibby2490]

Fun theory. Completely bogus though. Moana's story line takes place approximately 3000 years ago. Whereas the Little Mermaid storyline MIGHT be as many as 200 or even 300 years ago. So, even in the cartoon world, theories about reincarnation don't work.

[@moonlittome]

Agreed. Even using architecture and technology doesn't really work, given they're two completely different cultures in totally different hemispheres. And Ursula's necklace? It's literally a shell that naturally curls in on itself into that shape. This was the longest reach I've seen next to some Game Theory vids.

[@Katpiratefan275]

It's an interesting theory, except for a few things: First going back to the timeline theory, in the span of 1000 years, depending on the when in time this happened, then there would have been some influence from European explorers who sailed through the Pacific. In the case of the Little Mermaid, i say it it set between the 1600's-1700's, then again it is a fairy tale and time and what century it is is irrelevant. But, by the time the Europeans came around to the Pacific, all the islands were inhabited by the Polynesians, So before Ursula would have been killed in the Little Mermaid. Also an image of Tamatoa is seen in the prologue when Gramma Tala is telling the story; he's one of the monsters who sought Te Fiti's heart. He was around 1000 years prior to the beginning and even long before that, because Maui and Tamatoa crossed paths when Maui ripped off his leg and he would have needed his hook for that. Second and not as big as a critique, but directors and studios love to reference past work and movies. Maui momentarily changes into Sven from Frozen, even though Musker and Clements never directed it, it's still a character from Disney, so of course Sven would get a cameo. the Genies lamp can be seen on Tamatoa's shell and Musker and Clements directed Aladdin, of course they would have that Easter egg put in. And most of all, Genie's lead animator hand animated Mini-Maui. Disney likes to throw easter eggs and references from past projects in their movies, so Tamatoa speaking of Sebastian, a fellow crab, is meant as a jab or joke. It's like Spider-man referencing Empire Strikes back (Now that Disney owns Star Wars); while it's fun to think or entertain that all the Disney movies are part of one massive universe, it's all just for fun. And thirdly, While Tamatoa's name sound similar to Taotao Mo'na, that is not how Tamatoa got his name. His name in Maori literally means 'Trophies' and his obsession with shiny and magical objects is proof. Maui himself said it: 'He's a scavenger. He collects stuff, thinks it make him look cool.' So, I'll entertain the idea that Tamatoa may be Ursula's incarnation, I don't think that's the case here.

[@latronqui]

Stephanie Katseyeanis thank you for this.

[@asnsaule]

Stephanie Katseyeanis hell no im not reading it

[@raquelcorcos2349]

+SauleCaikate same

[@raquelcorcos2349]

+CadencetheClever LOL

[@NOAHSWIFE2007]

Cadence the Clever same

[@kevinandersonlolo8369]

Tamatoa is Mr.crabs father 🦀

[@Misto_deVito6009]

Kevin Anderson Lolo uhhh i think you mean great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather

[@connr8691]

why does that actually make sense.

[@Icantfindagoodname]

It makes sense because mr. Krabs loves gold and tamatoa Love's gold so maybe he is mr. Krabs

[@jmbkr4276]

Yaaaaaaaaaas

[@sean-paulmeredith5247]

Kevin Anderson Lolo we have to send this to Shane Dawson he will make it a conspiracy theory video

[@cutcopper35]

oh no Mauna 2 : Ursula/Tamatoa finds a potion the potion is a reberth potion she/he uses it to turn back to Ursua Mauna also finds a potion a shapeshifting potion She turns into mermaid Ursula dies because of a fricking boat like if you agree

[@neemibronstein303]

I don't mean to be rude but it's spelled Moana.

[@tiffany-up2ii]

I love it!!!!!!🥇

[@weirdestcollector8685]

I think Tamatoa is actually Maui's twin, and that's why Maui is abandoned, because Tamatoa is the 'Alpha Twin' and they did not want him. The gods cursed the rest of Maui's family, turning them into coconut crabs and banishing them of to the realm of monsters.

[@Link-zh4of]

Tamatoa = Mr. Krabs confirmed

[@drea2280]

DilbugAnimations 😂😂😂😂

[@space.jellyf1sh]

DilbugAnimations lol

[@graysondowdy8089]

DilbugAnimations 😮

[@crackedemerald4930]

but, are you feeling it?

[@martinrios78]

OKAY

[@valdezsaihttam5871]

He's obviously David Bowie reincarnated as a crab, Think

[@thursdayschild2094]

Valdez Saihttam 😂yess

[@suprememeowmix9613]

I see David has another alter ego.

[@ScionStorm1]

Valdez Saihttam He's Ebirah's cousin.

[@therandomhoomaninacatonesi5794]

Whenever I watch Moana and it gets to Tamatoa’s song, I always sing ugly instead of shiny 😂

[@gavindinsmoor8196]

You. Are. Funny. End of story XD

[@WaltuhGaming1]

Different mythologies bro Moana = polynesian mythology Little mermaid = greek mythology Triton is the son of Poseidon

[@amandasmalley1970]

So? Different stories one root truth. All would eventually meet back at the same place.

[@williamnettleton3413]

Different cultures call the same thing different names.

[@jellyslime6405]

"U lost to a boat" 😂😂😂

[@thecomfycryptid]

All gods ever < A boat

[@jensonstevens4105]

I hate it so much when people say that Te Ka is the villain of Moana. Sure she is the main antagonist but she definitely isn't a villain, Tamatoa on the other hand is for sure a Villain, but also just the secondary antagonist. Te Ka was just a Te Fiti who lost control of her head and body thanks to the loss of her heart. Plus Disney themselves even consider Tamatoa to be the villain of the film, with him being featured in events and on the 'Villains' section of the Official Disney Wiki, while Te Ka remains absent the whole time.

[@generic_soda]

5:17 Sr. Pelo: *ARE YOU BEING RACIST!? BECAUSE HE'S PURPLE!?* (this is a srpelo reference if you couldn't already tell)

[@fon6371]

You know what's really cute is that Lin-Manuel, who wrote most of the music loved the little mermaid so much that he named his kid Sebastian! 💛

[@funfeeling417]

tomatoa even says at the end.. I can't be bothered to look it up and type it but Google tomato a ending scene after credits

[@funfeeling417]

Aisling ignore that

[@kerryhutsell2425]

Aisling I think that the sabatian thing was because of him, he has opeanly said that his favorite disney movie was the little mermaid, and i do not belive it has to do with the theory

[@Sandwichscoot]

Aisling Wow!

[@riafelreyes8901]

Aisling oh mai god yes someone who knows Hamilton here! and you like spibbles to :3

[@saraanderson5996]

or what if he was ursulas grandson? because after showed intrest in moanas necklace he said he ate his grandma and it took forever because she was absoultly humongous....and ursula was definantly humongous when she died.

[@haileynicole7878]

So true!!!

[@potato4dawin1]

In the novelization of the film, Tamatoa states that he ate both of his grandparents. I don't recall Ursula having any husband or kids before she died. maybe Ursula ate her grandparents... I'm gonna have to rewatch the little mermaid.

[@saraanderson5996]

true but she she definantly good at seducing men like prince eric. perhaps his grandfather was a previous victim.

[@mythicalferret344]

Sara Anderson that's true but tomatoa would of had to eat ursula and then die also after ursula died then he could of ate her cus he couldent eat her when ursula was alive

[@getonthelist5620]

That makes more sense that it seems to on the surface. Tamatoa did not say that he killed and ate his grandmother. He only said that he ate her. Crabs of all sorts are know to be carrion feeders. After Prince Eric killed Ursula it only makes sense that something would have eaten her. Nature is fussy about not letting things like fresh corpses go to waste.

[@Maukustus]

Tamatoa is obviously the collector from guardians of the galaxy, duh.

[@Matthewbest]

Maukustus no I agree with supercarlinbrothers

[@carltherotisserie8048]

Thought thar was just me.

[@generic_soda]

7:03 Roman Empire times? Roman Empire times is like Jesus times!

[@rubenvasquez8592]

He's referencing the technology. State of the art in western world around the first century was Rome.

[@diggsfather]

The three cycles: 1. No way 2. Hmmmm... Maybe 3. Mind blown

[@latronqui]

John Keller for me it was more like 1. no way, 2. hmmm maybe, 3. naaah

[@voldemortsshampoo4551]

always

[@_pnika]

John Keller lol XD

[@Sky-kp2bg]

John Keller yes

[@bleachmaster4767]

John Keller lol

[@insatiable._.cryptid4985]

I realized that tamatoa might actually be the chief's best friend who died a sea, therefore reincarnated as a crab, and he is looking for power for revenge against moana's dad.

[@mjbunnygirlperez5032]

Leslie Emanuel -- I don't think it adds up because Tamatoa was there before Maui lost his hook over a thousand years back and Moana's dad's friend died only a couple decades before the movie takes place. I wish the timelines matched however, because that would rock if he was reincarnated as Tamatoa. 😁😁😁

[@insatiable._.cryptid4985]

MJBUNNYGIRL Perez I understand but I would have been cool😆

[@mjbunnygirlperez5032]

I hope there's a loophole or something to make it true. I wish it could be. Imagine how much the movie would have changed, maybe for a cooler storyline, if they did that. 😁😁😁

[@insatiable._.cryptid4985]

MJBUNNYGIRL Perez if only

[@st4rb1ts]

LESLI IT MAKES NO SENCE ITS LIKE SAYING TOMATOA IS SHREK

[@nathanratliff8176]

I like the idea of their being a reincarnation angle for tamatoa, and I can see the argument for Ursula but I too struggle with the fact that Tomatoa has been around for over 1,000 years. Let me offer an alternative possibility what if he was originally Jafar. The timing would work better in regards to the 1,000 years and it could also explain some of tomotoas treasure's. Plus as Jafar was essentially a wizard of sorts it would stand to reason he could know other magical beings regardless of a time gap explaining the little mermaid references.

[@oobs-gamingandmore4249]

I love how you frame this video. The beginning really sounds like you have actual information revealed by Disney and it’s not just a theory.

[@carljeroldson6075]

He said in his song "I was a drab little crab once!) so...I don't know but maybe just a crab?

[@ninemae]

who ate TOO many fishes...

[@Trav0m0f0]

OR MAYBE HE WAS SEBASTIAN O_o

[@thewisecactusvonflaktus9558]

carl jeroldson exa

[@Albodee]

Potato Man Sebastion is a lobster isnt he?

[@TheOmgitspeanut]

Well it could be a vague reference of just being a boring crab with little to show. Not little in size, considering the movie proves that reincarnation turn them instantly into full-grown animals. Just a speculation.

[@bentoth9555]

"Who gets stabbed by a boat?" Cthulhu. Cthulhu got stabbed by a boat.

[@suzineilson2814]

Why bring that uuuuuuugggggyly thing

[@TheLordofDarkness1995]

Slightly different situation. Ursula was hit by a heavily damaged (therefore slow moving) wooden ship. Cthulhu was hit by a much larger, steam powered, ironclad ship, presumably weighing many times more and moving much faster. It’s like the difference between being hit by a bicycle vs. Getting hit by an SUV pulling 30.

[@epicremarc]

Wait. The music was written by broadway star and perfect human alive Lin-Manuel Miranda, who is also doing the music for the live action Little Mermaid. Boom

[@uberzuki]

That is so awesome!

[@aidanjbs5876]

I don't get why moana would have to be after little mermaid. Why couldn't ursula be a reincarnation of Tomato

[@crabcream9089]

Aidan JBS oooh what if?

[@MusParvulus]

Aidan JBS Lol "Tomato" 🍅 :D

[@gilleancarnagie4926]

because reincarnation is after you die

[@ryzacraft]

Technically reincarnation doesn't follow time as it isn't a part of the real, physical world

[@tamanduastance]

Does anyone ever talk about how Moana kinda screws over her kids by putting a shell on the rock pile. Gonna be hard to balance something on that

[@genericusername4206]

D Faria ye I do

[@kaili3061]

I think she meant to do that cause the whole "we are voyagers and fuck this island" theme.

[@kayla958]

D Faria in the very beginning where Moana was a baby that shell was the was the first thing that the ocean gave to her if you didn't notice I looked at the print and it was the exact same in which I don't know if she remembered that stuff or anything but it was exact same rock or shell

[@kaiyuen7883]

IKR

[@what3374]

They can put it around the shell

[@ashleyhammond4711]

yesss! not to mention, he's very vain like Ursula, they both have a very similar song, she breaks the 4th wall too by saying "Pathetic to her eels", AND very raspy voices! love this theory!! obsessed!

[@craigjones109]

mr krabs: obsessed with treasure, crab, greedy, likes singing songs tamatoa; same coincidence? I THINK NOT!

[@jamesbaker3250]

hey supercarlinbrothers. I want to put up an interesting point for when at about 1:50 or so, you were talking about how tomatoa (excuse spelling) and the grandma were both reincarnated, but the grandma glowed and he didn't. Well, technically he did. when she was glowing, it was at night and it was dark. during his song, he hit the wall and caused a shell to close off the entrance at the top, blocking the light. he then started to glow purple.. along with all his treasure glowing what color? blue! so, maybe they only glow in the dark? makes sense to me

[@Philigan87]

I prefer the theory that Tamatoa is a previous master of the genie.

[@tannermoore9871]

did you just make that up or somenone else be interesting to hear the reasoning

[@TheKeeperOfTheQuill]

I like that one too! It's rather interesting I think! I believe it.

[@Philigan87]

tanner moore Another youtuber did a video on it, give it a search it's quite convincing.

[@potato4dawin1]

I think there is some substance to that theory but it's not nearly detailed enough to be conclusive. It's mostly speculation. I'd appreciate if more research could be done into this.

[@dmiller413]

Why cant they both be true?

[@anji_thesleepyone]

Tamatoas true identity is Schaffrillas Productions

[@no3ironman11100]

5:10 but... that's just a golden ratio shaped thing... Whirlpools, Snail shells, many crystals and other things take that shape... and purple is symbol for ominous and all. This is so foolish.

[@khodexus4963]

We kind of know when Moana takes place, the story was written as something of an explanation for why the Polynesian people stopped wayfinding for about 1000 years, an event which ended shortly before Hawaii was settled for the first time somewhere between the 11th and 14th centuries, well before the timeline of The Little Mermaid.

[@misterioosashinee4176]

I think that Tamotoa is the best sea Disney villain

[@parisb351]

Agree

[@christisd7679]

Misterioosa Shinee agree and i love your starco pic

[@rollerpoller5752]

ikr I love his post end credits clip.

[@calebrandria9196]

ikr!the one about the little mermaid

[@scissagirlplays5267]

Misterioosa Shinee ikr his song shiny is so oooooh catchy

[@Jpeg.g]

This is my personal least favorite theory... just ever its kinda just pointing pointing things like “ they have legs” and “ they are purple” i don't know this one isnt great

[@Noorboomboomshakalakaboom]

Tamatoa is obviously Shaffrillas. C'mon we all new that!

[@endercookie0191]

When tamaotoa looks like a monster from monster inc when he glows

[@generalzar0ff]

Cookie Chocolate chip OUR SON TAMATOA KINDA GLOWS

[@izzyscorner5463]

The grandmother in the dark glows but in the light she looks like a normal stingray and when tamtoea is in the dark he lights (and when the shell closes) up like the grandmother did and he also looks normal in light

[@izzyscorner5463]

Did you really well I guess we can start our own theory together

[@idkjustaperson3530]

odog396 but tomatoes can control which part of him glows because he made his antenna have a moving pink stripe pattern so if he covered himself in the glowing stuff he wouldn't be able to control it

[@izzyscorner5463]

odog396 but he would have glown green plus why would he want to roll around In that

[@sndawihc6713]

This took an extremely unexpected turn.

[@rosieleaverton]

He's just Mr. Krabs' relative. That's why he loves shiny gold and jewels and stuff.