mobo PCB Breakdown: Asrock X570M Pro4 // Same VRM as Pro4 / Phantom Gaming 4

[@tomstech4390]

heatsink that delays the inevitable? call it a heatsoak.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

that's the term I was looking for

[@basshead.]

The Heatsoaker

[@ZenMuff1n]

heatspunge :D

[@Nanorisk]

Heat tank or heat bank are also appropriate.

[@darchandarchan7036]

heatsucc

[@8bit-meiko]

we need more x570 matx boards

[@CknSalad]

it's more niche than m-itx unfortunately. just need more 5-slot m-atx cases.

[@8bit-meiko]

@@CknSalad matx has enough room for decent vrm design, decent m.2 slot amoiumts, atx is silly with multi gpu setups becoming rarer over time. and itx has not enough space for enoigh features

[@CarbonPanther]

The thing is, i personally have never really seen any advantage with mATX. Sure its smaller and you'd think its maybe cheaper because of that, but it almost never is so i dont know why you would take the slightly smaller board with less features for the same money over an normal sized ATX board.

[@badhusband1902]

@@CarbonPanther I feel like ATX doesn't have any advantage with mATX. ATX simply has more pcie slots and maybe 1 more m.2 slot compared to mATX, but since sli and crossfire is dead now so people wouldn't really need more than 2 pcie slots (say you got a sound card or something) and the extra space ATX takes is just wasted in most cases.

[@CknSalad]

HF Z pretty much this. Matx has 4 ram slots. Can add a storage or 10g network card on the second pcie slot. There’s small matx cases without the sacrifice in cooling. Even OEMs like Dell are making smaller pc cases for their desktop lineup.

[@rezganger]

I really dont think many of us have anything against longer videos!Its NOT an issue! Just cover whatever u feel is important and we all will dig it.

[@imsoflyrn]

^up

[@d3nswiper]

I am legitimately sad that there are just no good mATX boards anymore. I am using maximus 8 gene and I can't really upgrade in the same form-factor. And at the end of the day - I don't need all the PCI-E slots of ATX anyway, all I need is my GPU and Capture card in this machine, that's it.

[@tylerperry7552]

Same problem here, building a video transcoding system in an mATX case. All I need is decent a VRM, and two expansion cards - GPU, and 10G NIC. Of course the only mATX x570 board would have a garbage VRM!

[@techbuildspcs]

Tyler Perry I’m so sick of it, hopefully the b550 boards save us! I want pcie 4.0 for sli at x8 x8 with no penalty.

[@techbuildspcs]

Immortal get the b550 mortar m

[@techbuildspcs]

Immortal not sure but I trust msi a lot more than ASUS

[@johndoe-gw6tj]

An engineer at Asrock told them that they needed 1 more low side but 1 of the higher ups made the decision that making a different MOBO layout + Heatsink then they already had on the shelf was 2 expensive

[@TechByMattB]

This is disappointing. I was wanting an mATX x570 board for a 3900x or 3950x. Hopefully another company makes one worth buying.

[@MXG000]

Amen to That

[@blmlozz1]

At this stage the the likelyhood of more x570 MATX boards is zero. I think the only other board is a biostar that’s unofficially a b550 board

[@stefandimitry6038]

I would suggest that u get the mini DTX from ASUS aka the rog crosshair VIII impact

[@tylerperry7552]

@@stefandimitry6038 That's no better than mini-ITX, and it's $430! Mini-ITX is fine if you don't need any expansion slots, and that may work for many users, but to be stuck with a full ATX board if all you need is a capture card for an HTPC, or a raid controller for a NAS that really limits your options.

[@jamerican347]

Same. Looking for a mATX x570 for the 3900 series.

[@Gigator]

Just as a reference point: I've had my new system for 2 days. It's an MSI B450M Morta and a 3700x. All stock, it goes to 90W package power consumption, about 1.2V all core and 1.5V single core voltages (so maybe 75A for an 8 core), . BIOS flashback was great, got the mATX because I need the form factor, MSI because of Buildzoid and the M.2 layout. VMR doesn't get over 60°C, so totally chill. Pretty happy so far. Would have liked a 12 core but those things are out of stock for weeks. :D

[@Blablabla3945]

The diy voice inside my head instantly said put this huge piece of aluminium on my circular saw table and cut the top part every 5mm. Then take 2 cheap 4cm fans (or one if two don't fit) and this thing will be fine.

[@CypherAod]

This is actually my board in the photos - I will probably end up slicing some fins into the heatlump to turn it into a real heatsink.

[@Nanorisk]

@@CypherAod how about drilling some holes, turning it into a honeycomb structure?

[@jinxtacy]

@@CypherAod Just curious how the your build came along. I'm looking at search results from "Heat Dissipation Fin" on aliexpress and it seems like there's some excellent options.

[@Alphacuremom55]

@@CypherAod How's it??

[@Tofusoldat]

Thank you! Your clip helped me a lot! I was afraid, my already ordered X570 Pro4 is crap. But your video showed me, that it should be enough for the 7 3700X what I wanted to put on that particular board. #thumbsup

[@MarcABrown-tt1fp]

The x570 pro 4 gets a set of two actual fins on the heatsink side facing the cpu so that gives you quite a large boost in surface area, so what results is this asrock board runs second in coolest temperature of everyones budget lineup surprisingly. You should be able to max out overclock a 3950x with decent airflow.

[@mijo1776]

@@MarcABrown-tt1fp so this will be fine with my 3700x and 2070super with nice kraken water cooler? i dont have anything to worry about?

[@MarcABrown-tt1fp]

@@mijo1776 Yeah it will be fine. May run fairly warmer than most motherboards but it is far from the worst. Make sure the Cpu cooler is directing some of its airflow on the heatsink if you wish to output 200A from it. 150A and below can work well without airflow.

[@leongao5120]

What about the b550?

[@MarcABrown-tt1fp]

@@leongao5120 The pro 4 version is about on par, but the phantom gaming 4 version is garbage with a way smaller heatsink.

[@xenonkay]

Modern LED efficiency creates a problem pretty much everywhere they're used for status lights because apparently manufacturers forgot that you don't have to drive them at 20+ mA.

[@petrkisselev5085]

mATX enthusiast here. T_T For someone who only uses a single GPU but doesn't like using the motherboard's onboard audio and wants to use a sound card instead, ITX just doesn't cut it. That's why I'm hoping that one day high-end APUs will become a thing.

[@tomstech4390]

Sound cards might aswell be onboard, They're still inside a big metal box with a load of electrical noise, Modern onboards actually pretty good now but anyone that actually cares about audio buys an external DAC and amp. its really not worth having a pc 75% larger just for a soundcard when you can have better audio on a much smaller pc.

[@petrkisselev5085]

@@tomstech4390 First off, just because you have an external solution for your audio doesn't mean that it doesn't take up any space. Instead of having just one big box, you either have one big plus one small box or two big boxes depending on how much you care about audio quality. I don't see how this saves up any space considering that mATX cases are not that much bigger than ITX cases since those still need to fit hard drives, a power supply and a GPU that's bigger than the ITX board itself. Second, external DAC/amps are not safe from the PC's electrical noise, because - guess what - it is connected to the PC by an ELECTRICAL CABLE. The USB 2 standard that most external DAC/amps use nowadays was not designed to be able to deliver "clean audio" like most DAC manufacturers are trying to sell. The only way to completely isolate an audio device from the PC would be to use an optical connection. Funny thing is, most motherboards still have an output for a TOSLINK cable, but it's physical potential as an optical link is limited by the SPDIF standard whose bandwidth requirement is pretty limited. However due to the advent of HDMI, manufacturers have not seen fit unfortunately to update the SPDIF standard or to create a new communications standard to use over TOSLINK cables to (out)match HDMI audio. Now if we stick to electrical connections, the only way to reduce the noise is by improving the motherboard's PCB, because electrical noise is a symptom of electrical interference between the copper cables embedded into the motherboard. On that front, the advent of PCIe 4 might make a noticeable improvement, since the standard actually forces motherboard manufacturers to improve their PCBs in order to meet its signal integrity and bandwidth requirements. We'll see how this goes. Another issue with external audio is latency/synchronization. Now this is kind of a mixed bag, because I've experienced synchronization issues with onboard audio as well (defective motherboard), and sometimes it can be an issue with the content (using the exact same USB DAC, some games have out of sync audio and video while others don't), but it is generally a pretty hard thing to overcome with an external device your PC has very little to no control over, an issue that is not present on PCIe extensions. All of this to say that the choice of using an internal PCIe sound card or an external USB DAC/amp boils down to PERSONAL PREFERENCE as neither solution is truly superior to the other one. The reason you see so many USB DAC/amps compared to PCIe sound cards is because most audio companies simply don't have the know-how to make a PCIe extension, "noise reduction" is just a marketing gimmick. The only step up in terms of audio quality would be to hook up the PC to an AV receiver, a solution which comes with its own bag of issues. -_-

[@smilingbandit6900]

you could use the graphicscard sounddevice and an external hifi reciever+boxes. Not cheap but i consider it if i have to go ITX. Love mATX but now it looks like a bleak future.

[@petrkisselev5085]

@@smilingbandit6900 That was kind of what I was hinting at. ;) The only issue with it is that DisplayPort is way better than HDMI at handling refresh rates above 60 (even on the newest versions) which means that you have to connect your GPU to your monitor with a DisplayPort cable and use a second HDMI cable to connect the GPU to the AV receiver (hifi equipment with DisplayPort input/output/passthrough do not exist unfortunately), which can be a hassle to configure if it doesn't work out of the box and your refresh rate will be capped at what the receiver can handle (usually 120Hz even if you have a 144Hz+ monitor).

[@Blacky372]

Thank you so much for making this video. I was about to buy this board with the plan of going for a 3900x. I really don't understand why manufacturers make their boards perform significantly worse just to have a better design. It's an internal component. Aside from the stupidity of the low side mosfets of course...

[@williamrutter3619]

I'm so glad I watched this video, I was thinking about getting this motherboard, not now.

[@mijo1776]

what are the main downsides?

[@GingerHamster19]

mi jo watch the video

[@travishildebrandt2907]

I have this motherboard, but only running a Ryzen 5 3600 @4.1 - no issues at all. If the only issue is heat, what’s wrong with installing a block on it and running some liquid through it? I’ve been thinking of doing this soon in order to prep for 4th gen Ryzen. As far as the LEDs, I didn’t even think it would be possible for anyone to have any sort of issue - I can see them perfectly when needed. However, my chipset fan is a piece of shit - I already ordered a new one to replace because the bearing started to go out. I don’t mind any of these issues, for me it’s actually fun finding solutions and this video is very informative

[@eugkra33]

People are buying cheap x570 boards because B450 BIOS updates are a nightmare, and some people can't follow BIOS flash directions. I actually recommend the Phantom 4 to people using a 3700x.

[@Ayliar]

Right, I’d rather pay extra money and have some future proofing if I decide to change out or upgrade later. It’s not worth the headache screwing with an older board that is just that, an older board.

[@robinallen3516]

got the phantom 4 for my 3600, it made no sense in my country to pay a couple of dollars less for b450, epecially with 5700xt pcie4

[@peaboy55]

This video is amazing! I bought a Phantom Gaming 4 to go with an 3600, so I'm glad to hear it'll run just fine even overclocking. I just assembled the system this morning but the system didn't POST. I had that blindingly bright LED issue you mentioned, and the manual mentions this feature. Annoying, but I'm glad there's something for me to point to.

[@mijo1776]

what led issue?

[@CuteLittleMiku]

ASRock won't like this video

[@basshead.]

ASSCock*

[@eugkra33]

@@anasevi9456 they have the cheapest board right now. But this ain't it. I don't think they have much trouble selling the Phantom 4, so I guess their strategy is working.

[@jawnTem]

I really enjoy these vids you do. I'm particularly interested in the MSI Prestige Creation as this is the board I intend to purchase as soon as my $ gets on the books. I don't mind your "rambling" at all. With you, a person never knows what information you give in those ramblings. You just have to wait for it.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

first

[@basshead.]

firster

[@rylpace]

One-Hundred and seventy-fifth!

[@AlsoIUseArch]

I put a 3950x on this board and it's working just fine! You sir are incorrect, the vram seems to handle it okay 👌 The heat sink runs cold to the touch. That being said, The chokes are actually 115°C under load 😬. Exactly how bad that is that seeing how they're actually just coils?

[@tanapitbull]

I have the x570m running 3900x and everything is smooth.

[@ThaexakaMavro]

just buy a 45mm fan

[@Ayena122]

Wow, I didn't think I would see an x570 board with a worse VRM than my x370 board lmao.

[@lakonoki9189]

linustechtips.com/main/topic/1137619-motherboard-vrm-tier-list-v2-currently-amd-only/

[@mrstone5498]

Should I wait for other mATX, or just buy this one for my 3700X, which I want to overclock? I really like your video, I barely subscribe any youtuber, but your explanation is nicely detailed so I learn a lot, while your videos are interesting. And 30minutes are pretty decent, for that amount of information, for people like me who are interested for computer stuff, but are pretty much amateurs.

[@eugkra33]

ITX must be very profitable compared to mATX. Less material. Little bit more design cost, but they are selling you less board for more money.

[@drayzen9678]

.. and no chance they'll have to spend on a high-end VRM 'cause it won't bloody fit.. 🙄

[@eugkra33]

@@drayzen9678 I've actually seen them use better VRMs. They are forced to use high end components to fit better power in less size. For ATX they use the worst cheapest parts and then slap 10 on them on there. Then they can claim its a 10 phase for marketing even though it's trash.

[@drayzen9678]

@@eugkra33 True in that respect, what I was meaning was you can't fit one of the nice 12-16 phase VRM's like some have now, though you could on mATX.

[@LonnieChristopher]

Burned through several of these boards thinking it had better vrm until it destroyed my 2700+. Thanks to Buildzoid I now have a much better board that is running great.

[@flamesmdp]

What board did you go with?

[@Mia-ln1zs]

I've never over-clocked or had a desire to, but this is a very informative video!

[@Obie327]

I just purchased the last MATX motherboard from Micro and this ASRock X570m Pro4 is what I got for a small form factor.. I'm going to be running a Ryzen 5 5600 with this Board. Thanks Bill for the heads up!

[@wolfgangchristl9978]

For the features and compared to others it's not bad, if you dont plan to overclock and you want the latest this is a very viable choice.

[@alfredogiwisch2871]

A thermal pad on the ferrite coils and the heatsink reduces the power loss caused by the increase of the resistance of the winding coil at high temperatures. The resistive Q factor in the design of the ferrite coils is crucial in increasing the coil performance with low heat losses. Running 2 coils in parallel with gate drivers that control the timing switching halves the coil current reducing voltages drops and heat caused by the coil Q factor resistance. Because of the very low Vcore voltage around 1 volt at 200 watts TDP the current would be approx 200 amper plus the heat losses. Designing efficient power stages at very high current rates above 100 ampers is complicated because of the voltage drops of the circuit on coils and the PCB copper traces.

[@thelongslowgoodbye]

I guess that heatsink is more of a heatsoaker or thermal buffering device.

[@decree72]

Sunday morning, mainboard asmr and a coffee, what a start!

[@Crusader1815]

I've got a merch idea for you. T-shirt with a line drawing of a VRM-CPU socket, and underneath this, just the words: "So... yeah." Your subscribers will all get it, but no one else will have a clue.

[@Begleitkubus]

The heatsink does in fact look like it was designed to be a miniature stove. Would be amazing to see one of those miniature cooking videos made on this heatsink. A single drop of oil and a couple of 3x5mm pieces of bacon.

[@TheTall]

I was relatively happy running this board in my build, till last night. One of the high side mosfet on the board blew up last night. Sparks, smoke and everything. I wasn't even using my PC... Great board 10/10 recommended

[@alfredogiwisch2871]

Also, the MOSFET with more "RDS-on" connected to the ground only closes the inductive circuit during the "off state" period on the disconnection of the +12 volts MOSFET. The current is much less because most of the energy is consumed by the CPU and the rest of the energy remaining on the ferrite coil is discharged and transferred by the back pulse to the load again (CPU). In very low-power PWM stages, the MOSFET connected to the ground is replaced by a switching diode because is cheaper. To improve energy efficiency at very high current loads a MOSFET switcher is much more efficient than a diode because of the high forward voltage drop on diodes also the regulation voltage at 1 volt and high load currents of 150 ampers average enforce the use of a MOSFET for the coil discharge to ground. Having a PWM controller with more individual phases doesn`t mean better efficiency with more TDP output.

[@mrlithium69]

You were right, the Heatsink (heatsoak) does have a huge dead zone. And the whole VRM area gets very hot even at idle. Also the 4 Debug LED's are all red, and they don't light up on failure, they light up on success, so you have them blinking on and off in a weird pattern (all 4 on first power, then top 2, then none, then bottom 2) on bootup. Then they turn off. The whole reason I bought this board was Intel LAN - and the 8 USB ports, 8 SATA ports, 3 M.2's, PCI-e 4.0 support - I got the ATX version. It was the best I could find that did not skimp on stuff for $150. (Maybe i missed something) - I paired it with a 6-core i got for less than the board. I think the VRM will be OK but now I know they skimped on that instead. And the 5k-hour capacitors, that's disappointing. I was hoping it would be 10k. Maybe it can be recapped _WHEN_ it dies. I like my stuff to last forever ideally, It had been a very long time of me not upgrading. My order of manufacturer preference is, I would pick Asus first, Asrock next, Gigabyte last, and not even touch MSI. In terms of past history, the UEFI layout, price to feature ratio, and quality control. But Asus's boards are either too expensive or too cut-down this time for X570 though. Certainly a B-450 mATX is a better choice for most people... I kinda have buyers remorse but theres always gonna be somethin I don't like. The price of these boards is largely beyond my means so I make do.

[@micobugija6284]

Honestly, the board does have a nice point to its existence This mobo + node 804 (8x 3.5" HDD bays) A AM4 CPU and a 1650 super and you got yourself a pretty great plex server that has a low ish footprint while also being able to have 2 m.2 cards

[@maxview99]

I got this board for a 3800X, setup in a living room so I needed micro atx. Seems to be working fine but def wont be upgrading to a 3900 or 3950.

[@TheNumberOneShmuck]

Okay, so scenario: MicroATX, 4 RAM slots, 3950X when that launches. Do you know of any decent options that exist at this point besides taking a bubble bath with my toaster?

[@Gigator]

If you don't want to have a headache, there are a lot of mini ITX options that are "overbuilt". If you want mATX, the B450M Mortar (Titanium) should still do the trick if you aren't doing massive OC and have some airflow. I run my 3700x on it (at stock at the moment) and it never goes above 50°C VRM temps (in a 30°C room) with 2 slow running 120mm intake fans and one 120mm exhaust fan. No PCIe 4.0 of course, but BIOS flashback, 2 PCIe M.2 slots (3.0 / 2.0), decent BIOS support so far. See also the google doc spreadsheet of the AM4 VRM ratings.

[@TheNumberOneShmuck]

@@Gigator I was about to give up because the Mortar was discontinued, but it looks like MSI is actually just going to be refreshing it with the MAX branding for native Zen 2 support. Finally, some damn hope.

[@LocutusH81]

I dont know, why proper AM4 mATX boards are so hard to find. Bad VRM cooling, bad sound chip, no SPDIF, messed up m.2 placement... i just cant find one, that suits my needs. Why can they do all this properly on 1151v2?

[@LoftySkinner]

Hey at least it's an AMD micro ATX board with the requisite PCI-E lanes for a capture card and NVME. I can finally stop enrichening EVGA and Intel because of ZERO FUCKING OPTIONS on the platform I ACTUALLY want. It's a start, but it's not a good one.

[@LoftySkinner]

YES!!!! T-TOPOLOGY! Star Citizen SAFE

[@bryantallen703]

Another unique VRM is the Asrock z77 Extreme 4. It's has a fake 8phase. I guess they call'em D-PAK MOSFETS .It runs in a 8+2+1+1 configuration, Using a ISL6367 PWM with 5 Intersil ISL6612's (4 for the vCore and 1 for the iGPU) ASRock is also doubling its phases, however the issues here is that they are linking two phases to each other, so it is a big 4 phase VRM made to look like a 8 phase VRM with added inductors. The ISL6367 is a so called high-tech anolog PWM, when Asrock labeled it a digital PWM. Its not a bad board. It still running my 3770K at 4.6GHz and mem at 2GHz all day long since 2013. The z77 Extreme6 is equally unique, it has a PLX8605 which expands a single PCI-E 1x into 3 PCI-E 1x, thus they go to the two 1x slots and then the Broadcom NIC.

[@nindajuka8427]

Agree, i wish the led debugging standarized with red, green, blue, white color to make it easier to read

[@Михаил-ы6л5ы]

I need stock, one m-atx motherboard on x570 and today I buy it) Very good technical chanel! Thanks)

[@JuxZeil]

This sort of thing could REALLY kill the M-ATX form factor for good.....😥

[@borealis370]

fucking hell. I got insta subbed once the mosfet rant got really going :D

[@Urugian]

T-topology mATX x570 Asrock I love this board For APU is EPIC with 4 sticks 4000 mt

[@fluffyfloof9267]

GIMP Zoom: Ctrl+mouse_scroll beware, it's pointer location sensitive - it'll zoom in, depending on where your mouse pointer points to … Gimp move: middle-click+hold / or KB space bar+mouse move

[@LeowKahMan]

May I suggest that you mention TL;DR in the first 5 minutes of the video then get to the details after please? Like most people here, we trust your judgement but do not possess enough understanding to appreciate the deep technical analysis.

[@renerant]

@@faycalassaad6066 "too long, didn't read"

[@Ayliar]

If you absolutely had to pick the best of the budget X570 boards, and by budget I mean sub $200, which one is the most solid in your opinion and why?

[@alfredogiwisch2871]

But is nothing wrong with the VRM design using MOSFET gate drivers with 2 coils outputs per phase. Doubling the number of coils running in parallel reduces the heat improving efficiency. One of the problems is the heat loss on the winding of the coils. Using coils in parallel is the solution to reduce the power loss caused by the Q factor resistance on the coil winding. Forget the "RDS-on" resistance differences because the switching current is below MOSFET's safe operation. Most of the heat comes from the coils because is the switching inductive reactance of the coil that drops the voltage increasing the output current on the PWM regulation from Vcc 12V to CPU Vcore conversion.

[@PhazerTech]

So are you saying the VRM design is actually decent, not horrible?

[@biteear]

Heat: "I'm inevitable" :"And I..." :"Am..." :"Heatsink."

[@WK3sGenSoldier]

Ok, bad idea time. Let's say one were to pick another low-side FET in that same pkg, match Vgs (thresh), appropriate Vds and Id max limits, equivalent or better Td(on) time but most importantly, one with a better Rds(on) and swap them from those footprints, paying some attention to the new part height vs heatsink/TIM. How bad of an idea would this be? Are there important things one couldn't account for? For ex: Is it common to "tune" the fet drivers or feedback loop based on the original parts? What are the chances that circuit is dependent on that specific Rds(on) value?

[@SaimesierP]

Is there any mATX board you would recommend that would work with 3900X?

[@IngwiePhoenix_nb]

Figured something out? I had this very mobo in my wishlist to pair with a 3900X...but after this video, I am very, very worried if this is still the right board.

[@some84884]

@@IngwiePhoenix_nb same here. But issue that no other mATX board on the market right now...

[@reoo6806]

all those words in the review, and he didn't bother to mention a single viable mATX (b450 or otherwise) alternative. trash review.

[@avz7448]

MSI B450M Mortar, Mortar Max and Mortar Titanium. Overclocking will still be no go. Comparing these against Asrocks X570M motherboard, it's 4 + 2 good phases vs 8 + 2 crap phases and MSI have the better heatsink. The real disappointment comes with Asrocks motherboard being an X570M board aint any better than a B450M board in VRM capability, X are supposed to be the enthusiast series but there is nothing enthusiastic about Asrocks X570M. Hope that B550 comes with better mATX options.

[@deweycarmack3212]

Purchased this mobo with 3900X CPU came as a bundle, no overclocking, so far running like a champ. Very happy with the game performance and the benchmarks.

[@synthguy7774]

I have this board. Now you've given me all the reasons to hate it hahahaha. At least it still works. Subscribed!!!

[@Bopler]

Going to start a new build soon (upgrading from Phenom II 1090t), I originally was going to go 3700x with this mobo. But after some thought I feel it might just be a better use of my money to go for a 3600 and a b450m, I have no idea what to go for though! Anyone know what my best choices are for a b450m? - I would also consider ITX if there are better options in that form factor.

[@vadergrd]

big like for the matx board comments

[@Adrian-A320]

About 2 months ago my system started to have very frequent WHEA crashes. I have an AMD 5900X and AsRock X570M Pro4 with EVGA RTX3080 FTW3 and PSU Corsair RM1000x. After I installed this GPU I notice these crashes. Reading on forums sounds like it is a CPU issue. But yesterday I took my CPU and the RAM and went to a friend that has a Gigabyte Aourus Elite AX X570 with a 5800X, RTX3080 LHR from MSI and PSU Corsair RM1000x. I installed my CPU, my RAM and my SSD with Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 and I run the PC for at least 2h - 2:30h. NO CRASH! The systems have similar components, only the difference is the MB and manufacture of the GPU. On my PC with EGVA RTX3080 FTW3 and MB AsRock X570M Pro4 is crashing in main menu, Profile, aircraft showcase between 10 and 30 minutes! Is crazy! What I can conclude is this piece of crap of MB is the main issue! Today I will do a last test and I'm opening and RMA to return the MB and to buy a better one. This MB came directly with BIOS version 3.00 which supports only 5000 series of CPUs.

[@random-drops]

Fewer and fewer parts for mATX. Not just motherboards, but also cases. You're right, we have to pick either ATX or ITX. Sad!

[@random-drops]

Any recommended B450M mATX? Please. Thanks.

[@rylpace]

@@random-drops He seems to like the MSI B450 Mortar: see kzbin.info/www/bejne/sITUmYmipcyqabc

[@random-drops]

@@rylpace Thanks. I'm putting my eyes on the new B450M Mortar Max. Hope there'll be reviews on this board.

[@Apex180]

So what options do we have for mATX and a 3900x or 3950x or arn't there any ?

[@lucasjuniorproducer]

hi, in your oppinion whats the best budget X570 to you? To ride an 3700x...Thanks and keep up the good workl

[@RedAppleCigarettes.]

19:31 ... Thank you. Subscribed when you said that haha. Guess I'm going to have to spend money on an unecessarily large case so I can get a decent mobo. Won't use the space in it so it'll be empty, can't afford a custom loop, obviously no intrest in dual GPU's in SLI (which I also can't afford). My case is fine with great airflow, has 6 fans and a 240mm radiator (AIO CPU Cooler) in my micro atx case. Just the perfect size IMO but guess I'm one of the few that think that.

[@8bit-meiko]

bios batt above pcie slot, makes clearing it easier, no gpu removal needed anymore!

[@aexandereung5686]

*when you could just put a button somewhere on the board or the rear I/O

[@hspank]

glad i watched this vid. according to newegg ratings, asrock b550M has issues with the intel NIC and thunderboldt add on card. btw, if you miss usb ports you could get a 4 port usb 3.0 card for $10 or a better one with 5GB/s paralell bandwidth compared to the mb breakout usb bus. doesnt work on itx though. 2 LAN ports make sense for teaming and networks which devide IP traffic from internal (NAS) traffic. how high end and cookie cutter mainboard makers add a bunch of display output option assuming that users want to install APUs is beyond me.

[@crochebotamrelapute8816]

Thank you for your video, very intertesting, we need many more video from peoples like. You make company being more carful or nervous and maybe make them make better product in the future. ;)

[@skrattzerat5831]

Great vid man! Whelp there goes that board from my list of possible boards. Can i get your opinion since i know you tested both B450 Msi Mortar Titanium and x370 Msi Xpower Titanium. If the Xpower only costs 30 more USD which would you prefer, for a 3800x no OC?

[@kylehalversen]

I don't know how far apart the mounting screws are on the Pro 4's giant aluminum heatsink, but I wonder if it'd be better to swap its heatsink out for something else. Enzotech made some VRM heatsinks and its smaller size would also allow some more airflow. Another possibility might be salvaging a heatsink from another motherboard. I'm a little uncomfortable with this mobo running a 3950x stock.

[@R1mez]

We definitely need an AHOC branded tee-shirt that says, "..like don't flash your BIOS in the middle of a thunder storm, I guess.." (@ 24:10)

[@93SupaFly]

at 18:51, when you mention that, i just remembered that Last year I asked ROG Malaysia regarding of *will you guys bring Asus B450 itx motherboard into our country?" Their replies, "Sorry we will not bringing in this motherboard due to the lack of itx enthusiast in AMD space" what

[@modmiiwii]

Use a UPS when flashing your BIOS!

[@TheGuardianofAzarath]

Interesting video, i'm looking to build a ryzen system in an mATX case (gamemax kamikaze pro), and this is the only x570 mATX board i can find, i'm planning to get a 3900x, but i won't be OCing it, (i got a Corsair H100i 240 for cpu cooling, plus the 4 fans that come with the case (3x 120 front, 1 120 exhaust) should give a lot of air flow), but after this, i'm wondering if i should look into an itx board, or wait for the B550 matx boards. As i said, i won't be overclocking (not that tech savy), but i really don't want my motherboard to have issues due to over-heating.

[@Jarvis_Babbit]

Yeee finaly mATX

[@8bit-meiko]

still a butt matx design sadly

[@serviceaccount6475]

@@8bit-meiko its not for overclocking. god forbid asrock doesnt make it tailored to one of the smallest markets and make it as overpriced as the rest of the boards

[@CknSalad]

unfortunately, mATX will only have decent B550 motherboards probably. so, mATX crowd will have to miss some nice extra features of the X570 mobos..

[@ole-martinbroz8590]

@@CknSalad which extra features ? I'd love a 10gbit network option. but other than that not really anything else :)

[@drayzen9678]

@@CknSalad I really hope so. I don't give a crap about the extra storage options. I just want a great quality mATX that can take 1x GPU, sound card, and has proper heatsinks like what came standard years ago. Seems like this is to much to ask for these days as I have to sacrifice so they can look cool and glow. I miss the days when nobody cared how it looked...

[@simohyykila2405]

@Actually Hardcore Overclocking. Can you look at the Hardware Unboxed budget review? The Asrock and Asus did very well in VRM thermals. Where you gave these Asrock boards a terrible review. I think it may come down to the Heatsink, not the eleborate vrm design. This ran a 3900x with PBO and Auto OC. The ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING 4 is on sale now. Might be an great deal on a x570

[@hellcat1988]

Good thing I only bought a 3600 to go with this mobo. I'll try to remember to replace/improve the heatsink before I upgrade the cpu.

[@tylerperry7552]

Building a video transcoding system in an mATX case. I need is decent a VRM, and two (3) PCIe slots - GPU, and 10G NIC. Of course the only mATX x570 board would have a garbage VRM. Mini-ITX is fine if you don't need any expansion or more than 2 DIMM slots, and that may work for many users, but to be stuck with a full ATX board if all you need is a capture card for an HTPC, or a raid controller for a NAS really limits your options.

[@roosta_03]

Hi there. I was going to buy a budget B450M board (mATX build) with 3900X 12 core CPU...Intention is not to overclock, which you said means this board should be fine in terms of the heatsink over VRM; as you'd expect, for the only X570 mATX board around...My intention for the build, with 32GB RAM is centrally built around an 8 port blackmagic capture card (which will switch between 6+ video streams and record 1 stream to a SSD)...and also an undisclosed GPU - as I havent decided what I really need for the GPU just yet...(possibly the 1660 or the 2060 GTX) Video capture is only 6 x streams @ 1080p/30, video output requires nothing fancy either, 1 monitor (possibly 2) to 1080p/30....What are your thoughts for the mobo; this X570 pro4, or a B450M from Asus/Gigabyte/MSI?

[@titanrocks]

What's the best mATX board? Is this better than the b450's out there?

[@bewater2072]

Hi! Ehh I bough this X570m Pro4 + Ryzen 9 3900X (12core) + ram same as in video 3600Mhz(2pcs). I want to overclock Ram to 3600Mhz. I do not use External GPU, only motherboard GPU. PC for Music production. What you can advise?? Is it bad and will overheat cpu??

[@m.streicher8286]

A 10 dollar heat sink kit on amazon fixes any vrm heat sink, my b350 runs an oc'ed 3700x fine, just cover the thing in 1x1cm finned heat sinks.

[@Ironclad17]

I think for my next build I'll maker an itx toaster and turn the dehumidifier in my closet into a glycol chiller.

[@CknSalad]

NCase M1 is honestly a really good, versatile mini-itx case. V6 is about to come out and has addressed quite a few of the cramped pc building issues people complained about.

[@carboy_gt9705]

You could probably buy small heatsinks for a raspberry Pi and have that cool the VRM better than the actual cooler

[@gg5216]

Biuldzoid , quiestion, can you up grade the vrm in that motherboard? To be able to handle 3900x

[@ZMangles]

Hey Buildzoid, can you do a VRM Breakdown on the Z390-H?

[@IngwiePhoenix_nb]

So...dropping a 3900X in there should be fine?

[@jospicy]

Well, here's to hoping that B550 has the PCI-E 4 off CPU even if chipset is only PCI-E 3, and then hoping that MSI refresh the Mortar as, yeah, don't think I'd trust this for long term use.

[@Auron299]

I want to put a 3900x and maybe oc on a matx board, what are the best option since this board is crap?

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

Ah, damn. And at present, the only reason I was even considering this motherboard, was because it was *the only* mATX AMD board that seems to have an intel NIC, or even just a non-Realtek NIC. NDI encoding is basically pretty demanding for a quality LAN, and the reason I'm having to consider a platform upgrade is because the realtek nic in my present living room system just isn't having any of it. But I'd also want to reserve the right to (when pricing makes sense) stick a ryzen 9 in there.

[@JStefanA]

Sooo.... 3800X with a D15 should be okay, even with a heavy OC applied on this board?

[@danjal07]

I'll never buy another Asrock Amd board as long as I live, worst in the industry for support and bios updates..

[@Monsicek]

Really depends from model and price range you pick. I am perfectly happy with x370 Taichi and Professional Gaming. But it's 200+ bracket. But some lower end boards are complete trash. Regarding BIOS, I have nothing to complain really. I have first gen chips.

[@barretmusselman9977]

This the only Matx x570 ive seen and its not good, awesome! I was so hopeful when i saw this in the GN coverage of the Asrock booth but i shoulda known. Disappointment!

[@oOSumGuyOo]

Is a 5950x ok if not overclocked , sustained heavy workloads?

[@gringer15taringa]

Can I use a 5800X3D with this motherboard?

[@maniac_magee3830]

Curious if you think this would be able to handle a 3950x at stock clocks, maybe pbo enabled?

[@kian8382]

With Asus GB MSI brands x570 MBs they actually let you run 16 cores CPUs properly just because it's x570 and it's supposed to work properly with an equally high end CPU, even if you decide to go with their lower end x570s; while with Asrock, you know what, Asrock is kinda correct doing this, whoever buys this board is never supposed to even dream of running a 16 core on it because they should know what kind of board it is despite the x570 chipset.

[@neurofiber2406]

MSI's B450M Mortar Max is getting good reviews offshore but MSI isn't selling them in the US.

[@vespaman101]

seems still the only option unfortunately. Is there any way to get aftermarket heat sinks for the vrm's that will actually out perform what comes on the board?

[@christl2127]

how is it compared to B450 tomahawk max?

[@Albin_Evald]

Thanks for a great video! Im curious to what the limit of this board is. You mention 125A at 9:43. I also read this reddit post by Cr1318 where he made a spread sheet, where 150A is listed as fine for this motherboard.. i.redd.it/2iwdy5wrrly31.png Im curious as im looking to put a new machine together

[@goth1651]

If you want Intel GbE LAN, you should pay $30 extra and buy Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite! If you don't need Intel GbE LAN, you should buy ASUS Prime X570-P or MSI X570-A Pro or Gigabyte X570 Gaming X!!!

[@Hasculdr]

Hi. 100/125/150/175/200 A - it's TDC or EDC? Or what? (~9 min)

[@MizeKa]

That VRM is like FX series cpu. Sure there's loads on the paper, but actually is pretty.. eh.

[@SaccoBelmonte]

Dear Bullzoid. Do you have a couple Ryzen 3000 samples there? Can you please do us LM enthusiast a favor?, can you check if the IHS on yours are perfectly flat or not? My 3900X temps are 78c with an H115i Pro AIO with 4 fans and pump in extreme mode. 86c under silent, balanced pump settings (that under CB20). I'm considering lapping mine but I would like to know in advance if you can tell me if you find some general inconsistencies or if all your samples are super flat. Much appreciated. This for the sake of sucking more heat from the chiplets to be able to OC a little more.

[@CarbonPanther]

There is not a chance that the IHS is flat out of the box, if you take a close loot at yours, you might see how especially the edges are higher than the middle of the IHS that has been the case for zen/zen+ as well and will continue to be so because of the extra manufacturing required to make each individual IHS flat.

[@SaccoBelmonte]

@@CarbonPanther Yes! exactly, the edges tend to be higher. That was my very same observation. I'm lapping this puppy!

[@SaccoBelmonte]

@@CarbonPanther So I did. Shaved some 5c form it. To my surprise, the IHS had a bump on the center, where the IO die is located. The initial contact was poor, now is much better.

[@CarbonPanther]

@@SaccoBelmonte Hey that sounds great, glad i could help a little.

[@SaccoBelmonte]

@@CarbonPanther Thanks a million :) I think I actually shaved more than 5c. Still early to tell but is definitely better.