75m - Smash's Broken Mistake

[@Moss_Dude]

It has the most OSHA violations of any stage, so you know it must be bad

[@Arkouchie]

Wrecking Crew is close, though

[@andrew4363]

A man of culture I see

[@Liggliluff]

It has no OSHA violations since it's a Japanese game _;)_

[@DrPumpkinz]

-fire -jacks that get thrown across the stage -a large ape

[@Moss_Dude]

@@DrPumpkinz I could not categorize that BUT I KNOW HE SHOULDN'T'VE BEEN THERE!

[@sunlightblade6145]

Even when I was a kid playing Brawl, and I adored items and all the craziness of non-competitive play: I HATED this stage. You don't "play" on 75m, you are simply at its mercy...

[@0ctopusComp1etely]

THIS. There's a difference between interacting with chaos, and being at its whim.

[@RacingSnails64]

Exactly. There's just not enough solid ground. Any of the other 3 layouts would've been so much better.

[@patrickshaw411]

That and Rumble falls. DK can’t catch a break

[@BierBart12]

That's what I loved about it

[@tobiasgund8048]

This, Rumble Falls and Hanenbow were only chosen when you had lost time and time again and chose violence.

[@starmaker75]

Also isn’t just “great” that the Pauline spirit battle (arguably the hardest spirit battle in ultimate) is also in 75 mm

[@BirdCraftSSB]

Also the Donkey Kong and Lady spirit fight takes place here

[@Tonjit41]

Wily hard

[@shell_of_myself]

Nah man, you can cheese Pauline. Dr wily is the real bitch here

[@Henkita2]

I fucking wish it was 75 millimeters

[@zhangbill1194]

@@shell_of_myself Dr.Wily is pertty easy with lucas

[@Omentallic]

The best option would have been to make a stage based on the first level, it's more iconic and with some tweaking it could have worked very similarly to that of Moray Towers.

[@MrMockRock]

And what happens if you also don't like Moray Towers? 😶

[@Omentallic]

@@MrMockRock I'm not a huge fan of Moray Towers either but I'd definitely take it over the current 75m stage. While it's not great, it's still at least playable in a casual environment and could be tailored towards that playerbase much like the Great Cave Offensive. Another stage it could draw from is Wrecking Crew, especially in regards to casual hazards and large set-pieces that don't take away from the fights themselves.

[@Omentallic]

@@MrMockRock Also, great work on the video. Visuals are stunning as always, the information was properly researched and the points were well presented. Looking forward to future content.

[@webbowser8834]

I personally would have gone with the second level (50 M). The pies make for cool hazards, the platforms are spaced enough that you aren't overlapping with multiple platforms constantly, while still keeping the multi-tiered theme of Donkey Kong.

[@djroscurro9859]

@@MrMockRock This man is about to make a vid of moray towers too lmao

[@Zethoro]

I don't think this infamous stage needs a 20 minute video, but I'm glad to have it anyway.

[@99wins31]

I don’t think it deserves one

[@MrMockRock]

"Need" has nothing to do with it, this is personal

[@sky2.213]

@@MrMockRock lmao

[@Zethoro]

@@MrMockRock Yeah, it helped to more accurately describe the issues I've had with this stage for ages that I haven't quite been able to put into words.

[@farenvyld]

@@MrMockRock yep. Great video by the way!

[@jlewis4441]

1:04 "I really liked 75m as a kid. I was a stupid kid." Whoever you are, you just made me laugh the hardest I've laughed all day.

[@faldororlaridon2691]

This is something that is easy to miss about adaptation: Staying true to the source is important(I prefer for everything to be tuned towards faithfulness first) but you have to understand why those elements *worked* in the source. Simply dropping something from a completely different context into a new medium is going to require some adjustments and tweaking in order to make it function. I feel like there's a lot of ways they could have represented this stage that stayed true to the original without it being a nightmare to play on...

[@Endershock1678]

I really dont get why they didnt choose the first stage of the game with the slopes, kinda like Morray towers, and keep the hazards to just the first stage hazards like the barrels and fire. Sure, it probably would still be bad, but it probably wouldn't be the worst stage in ultimate

[@LavaCanyon]

The 1st Donkey Kong stage would have probably been better if anything. If all the floors were treated as semi solid platforms it would be easier to navigate.

[@dustymcwari4468]

Yeah, maybe a rather big 25m with like just two-three long kinda tilted platforms and breakable barrels, like let the players fight on the stage without hazards first, and then at some time arcade DK appears and begins throwing barrels at a rather slow pace, barrels you can either break by attacking them or getting hit by them, or jump over with some cute sound, and the barrels themselves doing minor damage and knockback just enough so you can recover and move away from the other incoming barrels or opponents, then DK stops and goes back, and repeat cycle for as long as the match continues. And if you want more chaos, just add the lil flame dude moving from platform to platform and there ya go, while the ladders should just be aesthetic

[@MSCDonkeyKong]

or they could just have a donkey kong country tropical freeze instead, im completely sure that it would result in a much more interesting part of the series to represent. but they dont need to rush themselves, giving DK fans representation in the form of three versions of jungle hyjinx and this abomination is totally based fanservice bro!!!

[@LavaCanyon]

@@MSCDonkeyKong The representation is for Nintendo's arcade history more than Donkey Kong in general.

[@kestrel7493]

As a pit main, thanks for always bringing up the nair-fair hitboxes, it needs to be known

[@MrMockRock]

✊

[@ItSquishy]

never a day goes by without MockRock mentioning pits terrible hitboxes

[@tangos716]

I was thinking the same thing

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

I'm a DP main and... yeah

[@colonelpopcorn1947]

You should see Mewtwo nair, it's just as bad

[@Baconator2558]

Can't believe 75m got in for three games, but Bowser's Castle can't be a stage in _one._

[@ballisticboo7808]

Seriously just give us the bridge, it could even fall down when you hit the axe

[@simeonellinger2064]

Bizarre choice, I just don't get it.

[@antoinegaming936]

@@simeonellinger2064 Nostalgia

[@Tobunari]

Because the stages in Smash represent the series, not the characters. Unless we have the next Mario game take the entirety of its premise around Bowser's Castle, it's likely not going to be the case.

[@Baconator2558]

@@Tobunari Then why is Rainbow Cruise a stage?

[@one-up7498]

I remember playing it on brawl and I always hated when it got chosen on random

[@Liggliluff]

The benefit of having the option to choose which stages shows up in random. You never removed stages from the random stage selection?

[@ItSquishy]

@@Liggliluff only 2 good stages in brawl was battlefield and smashville

[@ItSquishy]

@Swap Mario ! play brawl fd if ya wanna get eaten by the stage recovering below ledge that pissed me off so badly i just stopped playing on it

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

75m and Hanenbow were two of like 4 maps that me and my brother would always disable

[@Scallywaggg52]

I still can’t believe this stage is in smash ultimate, but great stages like pokefloats aren’t Edit: I just want to say, I don’t think the smash team is lazy. They put so much content into this game and it is so fun. I have put a couple thousand hours into and enjoyed every moment. But I would have liked to see a couple stages get added that did not ( such as pokefloats).Also I would have liked stages like pac-land and 75m to be removed in this game, but it’s whatever. With that said, I am not mad they did the things they did, the game is still great the way it is.

[@CoolMintMC]

PAC-Maze is a crime against humanity & I will NEVER get over it, NEVER!!! Honestly the same goes for Rainbow Road & Yoshi's Woolly World. All 3 of these stages being cut was just pure laziness when stages like 75m & Mushroomy Kingdom were fucking REMADE for Ultimate's HD. Disgusting.

[@InsomniaDaydreamer]

Oh yeah, because Pokefloats and Yoshi's Wooly World are too bad for the stage and we shouldn't retire Mushroomy Kingdom, one of the ugliest stages in Smash, and 75 m, a literal dumpster fire.

[@gamingyoshifanatic4082]

F for Orbital Gate Assualt

[@theillusionist1494]

@@CoolMintMC In the interest of fairness, let’s not call it laziness when they clearly DID put work in. We just fundamentally dislike the area it was put into.

[@mustafalatif498]

@@CoolMintMC As much as I wanted Pac-Maze I knew it wouldn't be in because 3DS

[@amaze_z1953]

What I expected: A thorough explanation on how badly the platforms are layed out in context of smash What actually happened: *L A D D E R S* (And a thorough explanations on how badly the platforms are layed out in the context of smash)

[@ConJakPre]

I mean you got both

[@cristianrivera8486]

He literally starts with the platforms and their poor layout

[@djroscurro9859]

I got both idk what video you saw

[@Versitax]

They brought this back instead of Orbital Gate Assault, a stage that took a year to make.

[@vaderwalks]

I actually loved OGA, was sad to see it left out in lieu of several awful stages.

[@Galaxia_EX]

I hope we get that, the 3DS pac man stage, and rainbow road as DLC stages.

[@setsers1]

WHAT?!😨

[@XillyWonka]

@@Galaxia_EXI don't. Having things that were available in previous entries of the series be sold as dlc is terrible. Smash 4 doing it with Lucas, Roy, and Mewtwo was bad, and it would be bad if ultimate did it too

[@tjlnintendo]

@@XillyWonka I don’t see why not. They can’t always bring back all the characters every time. Ultimate is an exception. Unless you are insane enough to think the next game is gonna have all of ultimate’s characters plus the DLC’s again, it might be necessary if some don’t make it in the base roster.

[@MeesterTweester]

This is one of my least favorite stages. the real kicker is that any other Donkey Kong stage would have made it decent

[@ausername1761]

Imagine 100m. That would have made for a great stage.

[@reloadpsi]

@@ausername1761 Hell, I'd have settled for 25m, just because it's the one everybody knows. Imagine being able to break the barrels for random items as well.

[@zaneheaston8254]

My biggest issue with the stage is literally the first thing he mentions Those goddamn ladders Seriously in the most air focused Smash game, why did the developers make it so you auto grab them if you so much as tap up & down in any sort of way, I swear this was Sakurai’s revenge for being overworked

[@isaacnuketon]

Exactly sometimes I’m trying to do a attack and then I accidentally grab the ledge and it kills my momentum and my attack

[@gravity_cow]

Honestly there's really no good option for an input to tie this into besides the power or home button so that you can stop looking at that monstrosity of a stage

[@cbfranco3307]

@@isaacnuketon and then after that happens to me I get combo'd by litterally everyone.

[@dustymcwari4468]

They should be decoration, they get in the way a lot, regardless if they have a custom input to climb them, you’ll end up accidentally attaching to them and messing you up, and all characters can easily reach a decently high platform on their own anyways, they’re just annoying, or at least treat them as hazards so they can be disabled, AND let us choose which hazards stay or leave, some are cool, and some just suck, like in Mega Man’s stage where the many different moving platforms are very cool, but the Yellow Devil is a nuisance that keeps respawning no matter how many times me and my friends kill the hecking blob!

[@WiiMoteGodYT]

"75m is a bad stage." "The floor is made out of floor."

[@CardiacYew-xt5zq]

In 75m the floor is not made out of floor

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

@@CardiacYew-xt5zq LOL

[@dylanwatts4564]

Hahahahaha, ok, that was funny.

[@WiiMoteGodYT]

@@dylanwatts4564 I'm glad that someone laughs at my terrible jokes

[@thegameowl11]

Every 60 seconds, a minute passes.

[@Pigmcginnyrig]

I couldn’t imagine Smash Bros without 75m, though I really want to.

[@Kuroth_]

I agree that this stage is a catastrophe, but sometimes, when you're drinking with your mates, that's exactly what you want. I've chosen this stage to the groans of agony from everyone in the room, followed by 7 minutes of absolutely unbearable clusterfuck goodness. Its just too bad to even be upset about. A masterpiece.

[@ictogon]

The great eternal struggle of stage selection: i pull the pointer towards 75m while my friend pulls it toward battlefield

[@snuffysam]

At least the Omega & Battlefield versions of the stage look nice. That's more than can be said for some stages.

[@dustymcwari4468]

I wish more battlefield and omega forms kept lots of elements from the main stage for decoration, instead of stripping most away and make it just one big floating platform in the middle of a void (with smol custom platforms for battlefield that do make it look prettier ngl), some look sooo damn empty in omega, and some others keep most (if not all) interesting elements way back in the background

[@iantaakalla8180]

The things is that this stage is so bad (as laid out in this video) that the Omega version of this platform should be the default and 75m normal should be for chaos mode and punishment challenges.

[@thaddeushamlet]

The best part of this stage is that it sometimes kills the pauline spirit in that annoying fight. Though it also contributes to how awful that fight is so maybe not really a positive.

[@RednekGamurz]

I honestly feel like any of the other Donkey Kong layouts would've worked better for Smash than 75m.

[@dapperghastmeowregard]

Gimme something from Donkey Kong 94, like the cool kids :P

[@alicev1500]

The other 3 (though 100M would be kinda boring) would really work as stages imo

[@crazyluigi6664]

@@alicev1500 25m is the most legendary part of the original Donkey Kong game. I have no fucking clue why 75m was chosen in Brawl in the first damn place, never mind Ultimate.

[@BabyDanielBD]

75m was chosen because the others are cluttered with ceilings

[@aqgpandemic5406]

I’d argue Pac Land is worse for actually fighting on, but it can still be super fun what my friends would do is set handicap to 300% for everyone, 5 stocks, set items to high and make them bomb ombs only then have everyone pick DDD and force them to hold down jet hammer the entire game while trying to navigate the stage. It’s great

[@Endershock1678]

Nah, Pac Land is... Um... Troubled, but I feel the way it learns into the chaos without crushing your abikity to navugate makes it more fun in a casual sense. Ive been to parties and enjoyed Pac Land... Cant say the same about 75m.

[@EmiCheese]

PacLand is an awesome Party Stage. I can't tell yoy the amount of times i had a ton of fun on it, specially the second half of it, just yelling at someone who stepped on you mid-jump in the middle of a pit. So fun!

[@RacingSnails64]

Oh my gosh. That sounds amazing. I have to try that.

[@BabyDanielBD]

it's one of those stages that peak at 8 players, however since it isn't large it can be enjoyed just as well with all other player counts. easily my preferred way to pac-land is to simply make the only song that can play be the Pac-Mania remix, makes the stage 10x better.

[@mr.chicken9295]

Honestly I still liked banjo and kazooie nuts and bolts even though it’s different. I found it super fun to make your creations but I can see why people are disappointed in it. It does not need to be a banjo game. But it’s still fun.

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

Yeah, that's kinda it, though that philosophy will only go so far. Breath of the Wild didnt need to be a zelda game, and pretty much wasnt, yet it probably wouldn't have sold half as well if it was just called Breath of the Wild instead of TLoZ BOTW

[@KingTruffles]

I was shocked to find out that the majority of people didn’t like nuts and bolts because I really enjoyed it as a kid. That should be taken with a grain of salt though because it’s the only Banjo game I played

[@willycheez7218]

@@KingTruffles I played the original Banjo Kazooie first and have 100%ed Kazooie, Tooie and Nuts and Bolts, and I'm not afraid to say that it's my favourite Banjo game. All the arguments about it being supposedly bad are so brain dead and nitpicky

[@webbowser8834]

Yeah, you can not like the game, that's fine, the game is not for everyone.... The idea that it belongs in the same conversation as the CDI games is downright insulting though. My personal opinion is that Nuts and Bolts is like Kingdom Hearts gummi ship builder got an actual """physics""" engine attached to it. """Physics""" can be incredibly fun, messing around with stuff that has no business working but does anyway or having things fail in unexpected ways, but can also be very frustrating because of that very unpredictability. It's 100% not a game for everyone, and frankly I'd need to replay it to say whether or not the game is "good" or not, but it's definitely not objectively terrible like the CDI games are.

[@foursidekm]

@@KingTruffles I think a lot of people who say nuts & bolts is bad probably haven't played it. It got a lot of great reviews when it first came out

[@flamingpaper7751]

I think the walkoffs were fine in Brawl since at least it created large sections that you can fight on. I mean, they're still exploitable, but it's a casual stage. At least it created somewhere for you to fight on, or items to spawn on. But most of the stage was still awful

[@lokimanezero]

1:12 "All the way back in Brawl," damn, I'm getting old aren't I?

[@Gabbycatty]

yes we are, I remember talking about the E3 announcement with my school friends during recess if that says anything, I'm 26 now

[@justinnzamora5366]

Brawl definitely is nostalgic to me due to it being my first Smash game that I owned.

[@CTOACN]

@@justinnzamora5366 that was my first smash bros game too my new one is the one on the switch

[@MeesterTweester]

There are teens born after Brawl now

[@MeesterTweester]

just some dude Yeah it released 13 years ago now

[@FedoraKirb]

13:29 I blinked and thought Villager just turned into Ganondorf. That IS some “awkward behavior.”

[@supremechaosbeing2696]

yeah i’ve made a stage that’s just ladders and you fight using aerials on them. it’s not as fun as i imagined and some chracters like villager, g&w, or belmonts just reach so many ladders at once

[@WilfredCthulu]

Honestly I still think Pacland might be my choice for worst stage in the series. It's just as awful to play on 75m if not even more so, you can't tell what's going on a lot, and it's so ugly and hurts the eyes. I always couldn't stand it then it getting in over Pacmaze in Ultimate just added even further it.

[@TheWrathAbove]

Pacland also has the honor of being the absolute ugliest stage in Omega/Battlefield form

[@willycheez7218]

It's a fun stage tho

[@WilfredCthulu]

@@willycheez7218 Good for you if you manage to have fun on it really. But I'm gonna have to strongly disagree there myself lol.

[@Underworlder5]

@@WilfredCthulu considering the lack of platforming in ultimate, i will accept stages like pac land

[@BabyDanielBD]

@@Underworlder5 yeah, variety is cool!

[@Mattroid99]

0:22 What do you mean? The presence of Morshu and the King objectively makes them the best Zelda game ever created by humans A gift bestowed to us all from paradise, I'd say. Morshu's Paradise.

[@masahirosakurai64]

He's not blessed with this knowledge

[@Josuh]

Bad Morshu!!

[@adamismad666]

The small chuckle just before the ad combined with Raid showing up made laugh more than I think you intended

[@willg1439]

I actually enjoy 75m, but I admit that a big part of why I like it is that my friends hate it and hearing the groans whenever I pick it and their frustration from trying to play on it is endlessly entertaining to me

[@mr.chicken9295]

I think it would be cool if Mario was completing the stage while we battle and once he reaches the end it transitions to the next one

[@davispo7550]

Great Cave Offensive is a fantastic stage with only pow-blocks, x-bombs, bob-ombs, and pitfalls on high spawn rate with 100% handicap for 8 player smash.

[@crazynaut223]

I’d imagine they did want to use the NES version as a basis considering they were selling it digitally at the time, the Masterpiece for it even starts at 75m to tie in with the stage

[@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225]

Brawl players: "oh god, this stage is a nightmare! How can this get any worse!?" Pauline's disembodied spirit: _"~~it's time to jump up in the air~~"_

[@uneverjack158]

When i was a kid i owned Melee. I remember that i only played link and only played temple. I dunno why because up until only a few months ago, i never played nor had any interest in the Zelda games.

[@Acre00]

Temple was absolutely the best stage in Melee, and arguably the best designed stage in the series I had a similar relationship with Samus in Melee. Never played Metroid at that time, but her moveset really attracted me to her

[@MeesterTweester]

I mained Link all through Smash 4 and don't really play Zelda. I also had Sheik and Ganondorf secondaries.

[@WaffleyDootDoot]

I feel like a remake of 25m but with less barrels would've worked well. Moray Towers pretty much does this and it's pretty fun.

[@FormalGibble]

In regards to ladders in games, I think they were handed well in the older assassin's creed games. In a game where climbing was a necessity a ladder was often a smart and fast choice. It got you to a rooftop faster than scaling the wall and it was easy. The trade off was that it just as simple for enemies. They could get up on the roof as fast as you or even beat you to the top to corner you if you were climbing up the wall instead.

[@syrelian]

It also opened options as designers for levels, forcing the player to use a ladder to climb a wall can invoke a position of risk or exposure that a more open climb might mitigate, either being spotted while climbing, or by forcing the player to arrive above(or below) at a specific point

[@Chaklun96]

The discussion between recreation and inspired levels and your example of Temple made me think of the two Zelda stages that are pretty close recreations of the original layouts: Great Bay and Gerudo Valley. They have some modification to accomodate for Smash Gameplay (the turtle, the elements in the rift for Gerudo) but they still feel like directly lifted from the games. I personally love them for that feel, but I don't think I consider them good smash stages even with the minor tweeks... Great Bay I clearly don't find it very fun (though swimable water make it better) and Gerudo I haven't played on it enough to say for sure.

[@HSnyds_00]

Nuts and Bolts is unironically one of my favorite games of all time. Sure it isn’t as good as the original games but to me it’s still really fun. I think if there were other traditional banjo games that came out or if it wasn’t banjo and Kazooie in the game it would be received a lot better.

[@fenixsans741]

I think nuts and bolts is a good game (not amazing but good) but a bad banjo y kazooi

[@329link]

I personally find it just a bit mediocre, but I can certainly agree that it wouldn't have been hated as much if it wasn't in a franchise that had nothing to do with cars as a main series title. I get corporate meddling can lead to some really stupid ideas, but that one was so dumb you'd think they were deliberately trying to kill off the franchise.

[@hoodedman6579]

It's a good Banjo Kazooie spinoff game, but it really needed to come out alongside or just after a real Banjo Kazooie game.

[@luckyc4t110]

I will offer this purpose of the stage: The simple act of navigating it is a challenge. This makes it a functional stage in single player content where that fact shifts from a hinderance on the experience to its focus. The most notable example is the Pauline Spirit fight, one of the most memorable in the game for combining a time limit, a hard to kill enemy running away from you, and a hard hitting enemy who its in your best interest to avoid with the difficulties of navigating 75m. Is that enough to justify its conclusion in the main stage list? No, that should be reserved for stages that are enjoyable or at least functional for the primary game mode of multiplayer battles. But I'd still like to see it continue on in the ranks of single player mode stages alongside the Metal Mario stage, the Galeem and Darkon fight arenas, and others.

[@redkarnationaprettymuchany1325]

“Oh yeah, I never played these games so I will repeat the same opinion others have” At least you were honest.

[@Paulunatr]

When it comes to the CDi Zeldas, you really don't need to have played them. I watched a friend stream both of them and even just watching was painful. Not quite the worst games I've ever seen, but they're definitely the fastest I've seen a game go from start to terrible. We hit "OH GOD WHY" territory in about three seconds.

[@eattherich5409]

In my expereince (10+ years of brining smash to hangouts), the biggest struggle new players have in smash is recovery. the second they're falling off, they're already dead. they forget they can jump or use their recovery moves, etc. This... stage (abominaton) is absolutly terrible for newcomers who can't recover.

[@actisclass]

Glad to have this introspective !! sort of wish they would take 25m and do an approach to it similar to the wrecking crew stage, with just a small portion that infinetely goes up and shifts.

[@dapperghastmeowregard]

What 75m needs is a PR campaign to boost its rep. What if we used it in an event match where you have 30 seconds to KO a Peach played by a Melee world champ trying not to get hit by you while two level 15 CPU Marios beat your ass?

[@itsdevillion]

I can't imagine 75m took as many resources to makeas any other stage i the game, I think of its simplicity its just a no brainer to add from the devs pov

[@throwachair4574]

can't believe you made it through an entire section on ladders without going for the low hanging MGS3 fruit

[@LaterXavier-TX]

Frankly, I'd rather play 75m than Palutena's Temple.

[@spaaaaaaceee]

I’m not going to criticize Mockrock, but Raid is really still trying? I mean, it’s understandable because he’s a good salesman, but I’d think Raid knows how bad of a reputation it’s got Edit: grammar

[@Liggliluff]

Any reputation is good reputation

[@MeesterTweester]

As long as they sponsor creators I'm not going to complain

[@jordanthejq12]

I think they realize people don't care anymore. It used to be that taking a Raid sponsorship was a one-way ticket to mass dislikes; nowadays, it's not nearly as big of a deal. Besides, a lot of people will skip any sponsored segment anyway, and enough people are tired of Squarespace/SkillShare/CuriousityStream/Raycon that any single sponsor isn't going to cause as much of an outrage by itself. Hell, Raid is almost nostalgic.

[@HikaruOfTheWind]

@@jordanthejq12 Yeah, Raid has spent so long as an object of mockery that it's almost fun and quaint to see it still going at it. And if it's gonna be giving money to youtubers as part of that, why not watch it happen, right?

[@jordanthejq12]

@@Chad_Eldridge There are also FAR WORSE than Raid. Two examples: Honey (a phishing scam thinly disguised as a digital coupon finder); Ubisoft (a truly evil corporation with a culture of sexual assault stretching back decades covered up by upper management that manages to stand out in an industry that includes EA, Activision, and Tencent).

[@crispydonut9553]

You probably have the best raid ad i have seen yet since you actually told something we didn’t know about the game. Keep up the great content dude!

[@Liggliluff]

(I didn't know he brought up something new; I hear Raid, I skip 90 seconds xD)

[@SleepDeprivedGinger]

75m: How to Make An Iconic Tribute Completely Wrong

[@epicsause21]

Actually, I heard of someone playing a mod they added a floor to the stage and he said it was way more playable.

[@BabyDanielBD]

What if the floor constantly disappeared and reappeared, similar to DK and his springs.

[@myamacke4159]

I’m amazed by how few people realize you can shorthop by pressing two jump buttons at the same time instead of having to tap it

[@Antonio-is2cn]

Yet they consider themselves "Smashing Experts"

[@mrgreenboy644]

Another fix that I thought of was turning the platforms on the far right into levels of stairs or slopes, it's not a perfect fit but at least the ledges would be bearable

[@chrasmaster2780]

“The smashing per second” Did anyone else find that line hilarious?

[@wolfgod6443]

0:28 Not related but I really don't understand the problems with the library. It's definitely not the only level to recycle assets that make you think you're in the same place as last time, and it's not the hardest level either. It's just a little long but so are the ice areas before and after.

[@theundeadgentleman4998]

One crucial point that I think is worth bringing up in how 75m fails is simply how easy it is for new players to die for no reason. All those gaps between thin platforms are an annoyance for people that know how to play but are almost tailor-made for inexperienced players to slip through and lose a stock, it turns even basic navigation and recovery into a potentially lethal scenario. It's the same problem that haunts stages like Gaur Plains and to a lesser extent Palutena's Temple, they all have large sections of the stage that basically exist solely to test a skill that most new players are very weak in, which then leads to them either dying randomly or alternatively trying to find a safe spot to camp rather than actively get into the fight.

[@transcendicalamity2543]

They already made a good 25m stage, it’s called Moray Towers.

[@NAFEDUDE]

To answer your question about "did they need to use the NES version," apparently there actually was a legal dispute over the ownership of the code of the arcade version until 2018, a few months before Ultimate launched. Ultimate actually changed the jacks and SFX to more closely match the original arcade version.

[@BabyDanielBD]

who was the proclaimed owner of the arcade code that had trouble with Nintendo?

[@NathanBluetornado]

banger vid as always, also the intro was just great

[@ViridisZombabe]

Random fact: Cranky Kong has been a stage hazard since Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[@soni-switch5207]

Ayyy you know the lore

[@MrLacrosseification]

Duuuuuude the Custom Robo music takes me back. Haven't played that game in forever.

[@zephadusjoltspark6951]

Same. I always thought they'd bring that back, using amiibo functionality in a Skylanders Swap Force kind of way, where we could build our robos and scan them in. The closest we got to this functionality was Starlink: Battle for Atlas, where wings and weapons can be physically swapped out on your ship. Sadly, that game was a commercial flop. I won't get into why, but now it's set a poor precedent, and we'll now likely never get a collectible figure-building Custom Robo.

[@nj8833]

I think the best direction to take with 75m would’ve been a vertical scroller like icicle mountain. Emphasizes the donkey Kong objective of reaching the top. Wouldn’t be perfect, but couldn’t be worse

[@minitrooper4260]

I remember when this was like my favourite stage in 2015 cause it's donkey Kong nothing else

[@rory_person_being]

Fun fact, if you press X on the stage select screen, it fixes every single issue with 75m. Just remember, you can press it twice, but don't press it 3 times or it'll remove all the improvements.

[@agenthappypotato868]

3:06 to skip the Raid sponsorship

[@spiritbaki108]

This inspired me to create a "fixed" of 75m in the stage builder. Its called "Fixed 75m", big stage, up to 4 players. I think it fixes some of its core problems, and I actually enjoyed fighting on it.

[@spiritbaki108]

Feedback would be appreciated, as well as new ideas

[@maxfecteau]

I dunno, I like 75m. You’re making valid points for the whole competitive/practical aspect of smash and all, but sometimes it’s fun to have a match filled with random bullshit and hurtboxes everywhere at once

[@KuroStrawberryX]

I think sometimes people forget smash is also a party game lol. I never had an issue with 75m because I don’t play it competitively. I’ll just pick one of the many other stages for that. But man is it fun when you’re just goofing off with friends and fam!

[@btf_flotsam478]

I don't think the game that added Final Smashes and random tripping needed to add a map for random bullshit. Brawl did that well enough already on other stages (and items on high), and the same thing carries over to other games in the series.

[@Bravice]

KZbinr: This video was sponsored by *RA-* me: **furiously tapping right side of screen**

[@FoxIord]

I kind of preferred the old intro. It felt more unique than this one. Still love your theme, but the changed animation feels weaker to me. Just in case you're taking audience feedback.

[@IMVADER2]

Considering Moray Towers is in the game (which is one of the least favorite stages in Splatoon's legacy, if you're not a sniper player), I'm surprised they didn't swap 75m for a more classic design.

[@Spark25293]

Day 1 of asking for MockRock to do the year 2 version of 'A Retrospective of EVERY Smash Ultimate Fighter' Also, why is MockRock's pinned comment from 11 hours ago when the video was uploaded like 5 minutes ago

[@MrMockRock]

a) There'll be some retrospective/revisiting content after DLC is wrapped up. b) Patrons/KZbin members/Twitch subs get videos a day early.

[@Liggliluff]

b) And for channels without releasing the video in advance; the creator might make and pin a comment as the video is scheduled, making it older than the video.

[@kazgatorch.2284]

This is my favourite stage to choose simply because of everyone's reaction when I pick it. Before the match starts I've already won.

[@andrewnewell1142]

Nuts & Bolts is a fine enough Lego game, but a horrible Banjo & Kazooie game

[@cubriffic172]

My brother was 6-7 when Nuts and Bolts came out and he LOVED that game but he had never played a Banjo game, you're entirely correct its a decent game but a very terrible Banjo game

[@DuskoftheTwilight]

I'd argue that this stage is for the least skilled smash player at a party to be able to choose when it's their turn to pick a stage so that they can feel like they have a fighting chance with how handicapped all of the skilled players suddenly are.

[@bestberry7332]

I haven't watched the whole video yet, but that intro is still SO SICK

[@gyratemaple6073]

"Now I've never played the original Halo." ............. That felt like a mario fsmash to my soul

[@mashpatatas915]

I've been forced to play on this map probably hundreds of times. I thought all these years I would just be suffering in silence each time. This video is cathartic. I'm not alone. P.S. Why on god's green earth did they put this in Ultimate? Of all stages to choose

[@crazyluigi6664]

Nut just that, but Pac-Land and especially The Great Cave Offensive.

[@petery6432]

It still baffles me that they used 75m. Like, they really couldn't use 25m, which is way more iconic? I know it might be repetitive, but the many levels would make it fairly interesting with large numbers of people.

[@Ahlnie]

I'd argue that regardless of your opinion on how the stage itself changed, 75m was way better in Brawl, because the game's floatiness mitigated the unnavigable terrain.

[@branigankerls]

WHAT?! Fast falling is a thing? I started playing smash in brawl, and have played it casually for my whole life almost (hit 20 last week), and I had NO idea that was a thing. LMAO feel like an idiot now

[@dyldragon1]

And they brought this stage back TWICE

[@AlmightyRager95]

Yeah, this stage was hardly touched by my nephew, my friend, and myself when we were under the same roof; it's not even good in a casual match.

[@BearFoLife]

There’s some kinda bug 1:49-3:08. I’d recommend skipping it

[@mohammeduzair2226]

MockRock has fallen to the Raid plague... sad

[@amorphousamalgamation]

There's this cool extension called something along the lines of "sponsor block" which will do that for you automatically. Rip mobile users. This comment was sponsored by sponsorblock.

[@Liggliluff]

@@amorphousamalgamation For mobile users like myself (my computer is broken), when I hear Raid, I skip 90 seconds, since they require a 90 seconds segment.

[@briangeer1024]

It's not a bug it's a feature

[@amorphousamalgamation]

@@Liggliluff so its essentially the less fun youtuber equivilent of an anime op?

[@Naterbug_12]

0:04 I know it gets a lot of bad rep but as my first introduction to the franchise it wasn't too bad not to say it's good but it wasn't the worst

[@mmmkip8925]

I feel like a ton of problems this stage has would be solved if they just scaled it up

[@paulfritz3552]

I always felt a Temple style recreation of Donkey Kong would be great. It wouldn't be based on any particular level and it would not have it's pixel look. Instead it would be a modern interpretation taking place high above a city at night on the wrecked remains of a building-in-progress. Complete with bent up red girders and flaming oil barrels.

[@Liggliluff]

(1:00) You're one of the few people who actually knows how to pronounce the name of the stage. A lot of people say "75 em", but it is actually "75 metres". This is because the metric symbols aren't pronounced by each letter, so "km" is not pronounced "kay-em", but "kilometre". It's similar to how you don't say "10 eff-tee", or "10 apostrophe" but "10 feet".

[@MrMockRock]

Knew being Canadian would come in handy one of these days! Figured it'd be because I needed free health care after a bad injury or something like that, but this works too.

[@narxmagee727]

Okay I'm Canadian and I know it's "metres" but I still sometimes call it "75 em". I really don't know why cause if I was in like a Math class I'd say "75 metres" because "75 em" sounds dumb. Maybe I'm just prone to say "75 em" because that's what I'm used to when referring to specifically the stage.

[@MeesterTweester]

I know m means meters but will still say the literal title

[@hi-i-am-atan]

not gonna lie, i probably _would_ pronounce a stage called "10ft" as "10 eff-tee" ... or, well, not "eff-tee," but _some_ sort of horrible mash up of an f and a t sound that my brain makes when reading ft as ft instead of feet. we _are_ talking about a proper noun, after all, and it's not _called_ "75 meters." that's obviously what it stands for, sure, but we're not talking about something that's 75 meters long or higher ( even if the latter is what the stage is named after ), but ... 75m think it can be related to stuff like "atm machine," even if atm isn't a proper noun. sure, atm _stands_ for automatic teller machine ... but it isn't automatic teller machine, it's atm. it's become its own word independent of its origins, and so if someone ends up associating it with the general purpose of an atm and not specifically a _machine_ that performs it, they're probably gonna end up calling 'em atm machines because ... they're machines you can use as an atm. similarly, consider people who pronounce lmao as, well, le-mao honestly, i think assuming that people _don't_ know m is pronounced meters showcases your own lack of linguistical knowledge more than anything. it usually doesn't take much more than just passive digging into the field to realize that any formal rules of a language tend to go to fuck before long. or medium. or even short ... which i think i just demonstrated on several levels with that, without even trying

[@marcusferro7588]

I have nightmares playing against the Pauline spirit there, I would keep on just grabbing the ledges and ladders when I try to do an aerial, while the spirit just runs away

[@7-BIT]

Everyone: 75M is the worst smash stage The Great Cave Offensive: :/

[@crazyluigi6664]

Yep. :/

[@Emperor_Sintas]

Sometimes is just watch your entire video to see your intro, but this time the entire ride was awesome

[@NoteofLuck]

For me, "Items Off" 75m is pretty mediocre. With Items On, though, it jumps to being among the best of the Mega Stages. Its singular open space in combination with the abundance of different platform heights makes 75m a great place to snipe opponents with Items, Item tosses, and Final Smashes. The Trouble Bugs are fun for Hothead and Blast Box shenanigans. Despite 75m not having any trouble spots for recovering offstage, the Super Leaf and Rocket Belt are still nice, too. Their mobility buffs lessen the onstage annoyances of the ladders and unusual jumps between platforms.

[@Storm-jj6nq]

My little brother would pick this stage when he'd be facing me and our older brothers and everytime I'd be miserable... Rolling my eyes.

[@Tonjit41]

They could've just used the assets from the original stage and built one that makes sense from scratch.

[@justinnzamora5366]

I always appreciate Mockrock's content. As everyone has already said, 75m is one horrendously designed stage. You think you can do a stage analysis on the beauty of Fountain of Dreams?

[@supremechaosbeing2696]

i just think having a reliable place to stand is nice. on 75m you have to be on weird places and there’s ladders that you accidentally climb. i could do better in stage builder, even if i don’t know the tricks to help tethers

[@supremechaosbeing2696]

i’m saying making just battlefield but ladders. ooh, maybe ladders offstage, moving left and right while attached to something. infinitely more fun than 75m

[@nocturn333]

Having a good place to stand on is the most important part of a stage. 90% of issues with stages ultimately boils down to not having unreliable or unbalanced safe and dangerous spots. Stage hazards and walk offs make certain spots far more dangerous. Travelling and transforming stages forces these spots to constantly be on the move. Asymmetrical stages shift the safe spot to one side of the stage, closer to one of the blast zones, making it an uncomfortable position to be in.

[@yymoomoo1509]

You are the only youtuber that could convince me to watch a Raid shadow legends sponsorship.

[@Luigiofthegods]

Daily reminder that Popeye would be a more worthy "OG Donkey Kong" representative for Smash than 75m

[@arielfeuerstein8635]

Great vid, one thing tho: every sentence ends with homies voice sounding like he just woke up, ran a marathon and is struggling to breathe- I’m high asf and it’s freaking me out

[@mythoughtsexactly2145]

I've always had known that this is the worst stage in Ultimate or even the entire series