The Worst of EVERY Smash Ultimate Animation

[@MrMockRock]

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[@electricenergy116]

Thank you for what you do!

[@cactiandnothing9600]

Have some happy holidays

[@user-wf1nb8cc8o]

Happy holidays! You deserve a good break!

[@ChroniclZ]

K

[@anthonymarcos9477]

Definitely looking forward to more high-quality video essays next year!

[@Powl_J]

Steve‘s ground tech should have been the water bucket

[@giridharanp2705]

yes

[@plushyyu4327]

yes

[@andrewbliss1117]

yes

[@legoindianajones9136]

yes

[@kestrel7493]

Ender pearl for tech roll?

[@chrisought2627]

“Extremely long forward air would be unbalanced” *smash introducing sephiroth

[@sleepy_b0i]

Byleth. :)

[@mettatonex7221]

It is long, but it's also narrow, and as we've seen with the Pits, that can be a pretty big detriment.

[@nino4242]

@@sleepy_b0i yup :)

[@PurplePineappleChannel]

Sephiroth's fair isn't a flurry tho

[@maxwellmegagamer8535]

@@PurplePineappleChannel that wasn’t really what they meant. It was just having a long forward air and that’s it.

[@insidethezoo5912]

Didn’t even realize Rosalina could crawl until this video

[@Endershock1678]

It's one of the funniest Online taunts, you just kill and backwards crawl to ledge. It's how you know this is a good Rosa.

[@amir-jp1hl]

bro i secondary rosa and i didnt even know she crawled

[@MeesterTweester]

ImBig Smart bruh

[@alexpotts6520]

@@Endershock1678 I always felt her down special is a pretty good pseudo-taunt

[@cheezy8364]

•-•

[@zernek9199]

Olimar’s smash attacks being here did not surprise me one bit

[@iframes292]

I think up smash isn’t too bad

[@DeronHargrove]

Honestly still disagree with his Olimar views but I can see where he's coming from

[@Cutiepatootie_irl]

Your profile pix looks very happy :)

[@diobrando7040]

Ok Sephiroth pfp

[@zernek9199]

@@diobrando7040 ok

[@kendukin9725]

Surprised there was no mention of Dr Marios taunts. Ever since smash4 outside of his pill taunt the other 2 literally just look like idle animations and it's been a joke since smash4.

[@MeesterTweester]

for real, some of them look like idle animations

[@iframes292]

If you spam side taunt, he does the ‘pill juggle’

[@ScLuigi]

I really like Doc's taunts. They reflect the whole nonchalant vibe he exudes and do so spectacularly.

[@brandonlee8123]

@@ScLuigi the original post’s point is that they are hard to notice since they are too similar to idle animations. Assuming you also taunt in order for your opponent to see, doc’s taunts arent very good at that.

[@cuttsthecat6331]

I remember one time I was just taunting with Dr. Mario and my brother thought they were just his idles. He didn't notice that they were taunts until I told him

[@jump7holes]

Rosalina’s crawl is one of the funniest animations to me... sometimes I play Rosa online and just crawl as an un-official taunt

[@TheOobo]

If there's one benefit to the lack of taunts online, it's that it forces you to get creative for the same effect. Sure, you could teabag, but everyone's got something super goofy-looking you can pull off if you look for it.

[@Snowflame47]

Quick prediction: a considerable amount of these will be sonic and olimar. edit: yep

[@yap_temple]

brawl sonic

[@banana_suds7121]

i thought the exact same thing too lol

[@neonflashsparkotron5435]

@@yap_temple cmon, step it up!

[@leindx7415]

@@yap_temple chess!

[@niconicer6463]

I am surprised mr game and watch isn’t the worst animated character, if you would look on animation it’s just 4 FPS or something

[@3.2187_Kilometres]

As a Sonic main, if one of Sonic's ball animations aren't on this, I'm gonna be surprised.

[@juanrodriguez9971]

I would add him the worst idle, like, is the same as in his first game, but with no facial expressions looks like a toy awkwardly moved, just like any animation in his 3D games.

[@PresidentOfYapping]

yea sonic man

[@PresidentOfYapping]

I liked brawl sonic s design the most

[@ballisticboo7808]

I like Sonic's ball on it's own. It looks very sleek, smooth, and better than the other Smash games. I do agree with nair looking weird, and I definitely don't agree with side b and down b being the same, but I think the ball itself looks nice.

[@showmeyourmoves8551]

But sonic is supposed to be a ball???

[@mitrimind1027]

One of Snake's taunts should've been the exclamation mark appearing above his head and quickly looking at the screen like he's noticed the players or something.

[@Tonjit41]

Yeah. It's weird that the '!' isn't referenced much in smash.

[@Hagot428]

This would also be great considering how meta and fourth wall breaking the metal gear series gets

[@selfloathinggameing]

Personally I think Wii Fit Trainer's fitness pose animations are hilarious

[@DeronHargrove]

Same here

[@jettvalen7326]

I feel that somewhat the point, y'know

[@justinjyeung]

@@jettvalen7326 Yeah, she's always felt like a non-sequitur since her first reveal lol

[@Endershock1678]

Honestly, I have a newfound respect for Wii Fit after starting to do Yoga. You don't realize how hard even something like F-Smash is to hold for a long period of time after already doing a workout until your arms feel like they are about to fall off.

[@RikuMcduck]

Its funny how Wii fit trainer crawl

[@Moss_Dude]

Hey, Brawlimar was even worse. His forward smash went off the ledge and the hitbox never went away, meaning a Pikmin loftily floating towards you on its way to the blast zone suddenly pounds you with the force of ganon's aerials.

[@bandeyawx9709]

IF we want to get really technical, Snake "does" have three taunts: He actually lifts the box over him a bit differently depending on the taunt you choose. ...But yeah, he still deserves better.

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

Wait really? Bruh I didn’t even notice 💀

[@BlazingShadowSword]

His pose in the box is also slightly different. Ya know...inside the box...that is not transparent...what the hell were they thinking?

[@Liggliluff]

@@BlazingShadowSword If the poses are just slightly different without any significant distinctions (like holding a finger gun, peace sign, ...) then I suspect they animated him sitting down three times, and the Duncan pose just ended up differently each time. Not likely intentional.

[@BlazingShadowSword]

@@Liggliluff That's worse. You do realize why that's worse right?

[@TheIceCreamWizard]

"a long ranged forward air would be unbalanced" sephiroth, simon, richter, and min min:😐

[@pizzawonderer5024]

But Sephiroth and Richter have very linear hitboxes so they're forward airs aren't busted. Imagine Richter's forward air with the vertical range of Ridley

[@bryanwoo8415]

Basically mini Samus Final Smash

[@Mikeystar45]

@@pizzawonderer5024 Uhhh sir you can angle Richter's back-air and forward-air, what are you talking about

[@pizzawonderer5024]

@@Mikeystar45 I know, but angling the aerials down or up doesnt change the hitbox size

[@TheIceCreamWizard]

i mean it could have been a single hit like sephiroth

[@LydCal999]

I actually like mewtwo's tail strike ONLY because it's often done during their double jump, which adds a lot of momentum to the move. It looks bad in isolation, but it looks much more interesting in context

[@camscorner7197]

Meta knight down taunt where he says "come" his wings phase through the damn cape

[@sethstoll8525]

Imo that taunt is saved by meta knight saying “CUM” in such a menacing manner

[@djroscurro9859]

They could at least show meta knight taking off the cape

[@holdenarledge9672]

The wings are the cape

[@Tonjit41]

@@djroscurro9859 "Cum!" *Removes cape*

[@adv78]

Do you know his wings ARE his cape... Right? Like... His cape transforms into his wings

[@juanrodriguez9971]

If I'm honest with you, Wii Fit Trainer is one of my favorite characters when it comes to visuals, is just so dumb how all of her attacks are just yoga poses, and the running animation is just hilarious to me.

[@Paulunatr]

Totally legit reasons to like them! Wii Fit Trainer's animations are kinda silly, silly is fun, and the animators knew what they were doing. Like Mock said, Smash Bros' animations are largely excellent and WFT is no exception. The only real problem is that their poses aren't very well suited to combat, so it's only natural that they'd make it onto this list somewhere.

[@WarrenValion]

Cloud should be Nair. They made him look like he's breaking his arm every time he does it.

[@nuibaba280]

Seriously, Sonic's nair is much better than Cloud's. Cloud's nair was so janky that his playerbase rarely used it for months.

[@Fightzpike]

breaking the body isn’t really all the bad, a good example is kazuyas hellsweep from tekken. he literally BREAKS his spine, but he needs that extra twist to sell the power

[@DeronHargrove]

@@nuibaba280 I'm with you here. Sonic's is a lil weird but nothing as awkward as nerfed Cloud nair

[@cryosen]

@@Fightzpike Yes, but in Cloud's case, he breaks his body to UNDERsell his power. The wider, much nicer looking swing in smash 4 was a problem balance wise.

[@pastarhythm2762]

I think Sephiroth might be a runner up for this category. It's a dinky little blink of magic in a scrunched-up pose, which stands out in a moveset full of confident, overwhelming animations. Not that I would want Sephiroth to swing his sword in a circle for his nair...

[@FluffyBooster]

Honestly I'm just curious how one would even be able to fix Olimar. To keep him loyal to his games and design, I don't know how much better we can get with him.

[@Underworlder5]

yeah, not a lot of source material to pull from. in animations, olimar has "pull pikmin", "punch", "throw pikmin" and "whistle". the pikmin themselves, meanwhile, have such stubby limbs that their attacks are exclusively headbutts, whether they attack enemies or obstacles. even their digging looks like headbutts. unless they plan to include other creatures in his moveset, not sure what else they can do

[@DaDMonDCB]

I'd say make him a pseudo-swordie for his Smash Attacks. Reduces the range, but certainly gives more validity and impact to him knocking you up, down, and around if he's swinging them like weapons rather than just ordering their lunge. That would certainly help differentiate them from him whistling for a grab or flinging them for a special: Two handed swing-up (almost resembling his pluck but with a different build up to keep them distinct) for his Up Smash, a miniature DORIYAH for his Forward Smash, and a Pikmin in each hand while doing a Shulk Spin for his Down Smash.

[@RacingSnails64]

FluffyBooster i think it'd be surprisingly easy. just have him holding the Pikmin and pulling back more for the wind up animations. imagine the little guy's down smash win up being him holding two Pikmin across his chest before he throws them out to the sides, like Deadpool's iconic katana pose or Overwatch's Reaper 😂🤣

[@yankee1147]

I mean they could have made olimar have more up close and personal combat animations In smash thats literally the point. You fight. Be sword or hands. Jab I can understand. Dash attack can get a pass. For forward smash maybe he can actually grab a pikmin by the stem and swing it with all his might instead of just whistling for it to go forward. Something like that

[@cadetjones9205]

Letting him throw purple pikmin like Dr.Mario throws patients would a good start.

[@seth7726]

Once again, people keep forgetting how horrendous is Wolf's howling taunt in Ultimate. Seriously, just compare it to his Brawl's counterpart. Ultimate's Wolf opens his snout as if he was about to say 'A'. Howling does not work that way... you have to actually shape your mouth in the 'O' shape in order to be able to make a similar sound. That's basic phonetics knowledge!

[@Underworlder5]

i think his taunts overall just look worse than in brawl. that feral snarl in his down taunt just became a bizzare "human tries to imitate animal" noise

[@seth7726]

@@Underworlder5 yeah, that one's underwhelming. It's so sad because his new design looks sick but the taunt leave much to be desired.

[@blazefactor6849]

He's imitating a very strange shark. (You're not wrong, it's so off that most people can see that the mouth is in the wrong position on first glance.)

[@1TheVelociraptor]

Wolf got the short stick in a lot of things remember his old "what's the matter, scared?" or his old AWOO when he used up smash? wolf changed a lot of cool things for a neat jacket, and while a lot of this is crying for nothing, man those little things were cool

[@sethstoll8525]

@@1TheVelociraptor remember his idle stance in brawl? He looked like a wild animal about to rip your face off. In ultimate he just... stands there.

[@theskitmen3506]

We all wish Ridley had Sepiroth’s f-air

[@lemondrop0568]

13:43 AKA the PNG Final Smash

[@daythenite5683]

i like hero's chudat pose when he is selecting down-b

[@Nokyyyyy]

Hmmm... [Minecraft Villager noises]

[@neog8029]

Hero be like: 🤔

[@sethstoll8525]

YAYUHZZZ

[@robbiestrong-morse730]

And leffen fought both of them.

[@paradoxtm8911]

" long range forward air might be considered overpowered " Sephiroth: Hold my Masamune

[@shadowrose8907]

Well, the *point* of it at least

[@shadowrose8907]

@@Chad_Eldridge Technically it's the name of a swordsmith, but it's also used in Final Fantasy games for the ultimate sword or at least *one* of each game's "ultimate" swords

[@shadowrose8907]

@@Chad_Eldridge Pretty much, tbh; though it's not common that a given game's Masamune has *any* effects beyond "do damage"

[@paradoxtm8911]

@@Chad_Eldridge Well thats the name of Sephiroth from Final fantasy VII's sword and in the game Persona 3 someone mentions a person called Masamune so its probably a sword named after a Japanese warrior from the Sengoku period

[@BlazingShadowSword]

@@Chad_Eldridge The Masamune has made an appearance in a large amount of fantasy games mostly as a cursed sword as well as it's counterpart in concept, the Muramasa, which is usually shown to be a slightly less powerful sword but isn't cursed. Hell, the curse of the Masamune is implemented into other swords in games, the Half-Zatoichi in TF2 is unable to be sheathed without consequences unless you kill somebody.

[@Blu_Moon_VA]

"How many spin attacks would you like to use?" *"Y E S"*

[@gamrage]

Giving Ridley, a low tier character, an extremely long ranged F-Air would make him unbalanced? That's news to me.. Better tell Byleth, Simon, Richter and Sephiroth!!

[@wingedbluj1674]

Are any of their Fairs a multi hit that covers a large, vertical range?

[@bigredradish]

thank you for speaking the truth about olimar. he's a character that just isn't designed to be in a fighting game--everything is so stubby and indistinguishable and fighting olimar has always been such a pain in the ass for that exact reason. it almost feels like the olimar player has control of the game by actually knowing what's happening, if that makes sense.

[@shenlonewu6852]

Terry has worst back-special. Fight me.

[@longsocks7798]

I think he has the BEST back special

[@giridharanp2705]

For shield special, i choose Steve. Because the inkling animation is cooler.

[@WAEVOICE]

“TAKE IT EASY!”

[@adolphin8342]

Crack Shoot has so much priority over moves. Thing is nuts.

[@dylanmerleking2651]

Wait, Terry has a back special?

[@MrBulletwood]

Every character in this game spinning something in their hand *Use The Force*

[@brandonlee8123]

Technically, spinning anything irl is using force, just not THE force.

[@MrBulletwood]

@@brandonlee8123 Let go, Brandon

[@codyruchian]

@@MrBulletwood 11 months later and Brandon has indeed “let go”

[@YoyIeCake]

What about that one Olimar victory screen with the Pikmin running around Olimar? The Pikmin's walk cycle animation and the actual movement of the Pikmin do not line up at all and they end up looking like they slide across the ground.

[@minhamaenaomecrioupraseregirl]

Haven't started watching yet Expectations: I expect to see Olimar and Sonic a lot Reality: Yeah, I was right

[@mettatonex7221]

I understand your grievance with Pit/Dark Pit's Power of Flight, but I am going to defend it. In canon, both Pit and Dark Pit are entirely incapable of self-propelled flight (with that in mind I even find it surprising they get their extra jumps in Smash, but I guess it's a byproduct of the wings = more jumps philosophy), so they have to lean on outside help. In Pit's case, he relies on Palutena's magic, and in Dark Pit's case, for most of the game he uses the unlimited pool granted from stealing Pandora's magic until that goes away and he needs Viridi's help instead. This means they don't have to flap their wings to fly and any time they do so may just be a reflex rather than any real attempt at course correction, and also means that they absolutely can be flung into the air without any proper wind-up, since they're essentially being yanked around by whatever Goddess is in charge of them at the moment. Again, I understand your grievance, but I think its canon representation and the particle effects that match this saves it. If I had to pick one to replace it, I would go with Bowser's Whirling Fortress. It's a cool move and useful to use in a match, but I'm not sold on the action being able to propel Bowser upward, and the way the spikes are turned towards the camera for the aerial version of the attack looks bizarre and non-intuitive, plus the Sonic Nair problem that it seems to be rotating on a non-centered anchor point.

[@Chaotic_Hollow]

"It's time to announce the worst animated character in the whole game..." *ad plays* You weren't wrong

[@cjlite0210]

Might wanna revisit this, with the obvious addition here Roy and Chrom's Back Throw, just look at it in slow-mo if you don't understand and you will NEVER unsee it

[@Henkita2]

“Of course ridley couldn’t use all of his tail to attack because the game developers would have considered it unbalanced” And then there’s sephiroth, and min min, and byleth, and simon

[@vsptylore3639]

Zero Suit Samus's jab combo kinda remind me of Mr Crocker's "Fairy god parents" sequence where he just appears in different poses to a rhythm

[@Driff97]

You seem to have an obsession with talking about Ridley.

[@sethstoll8525]

He has some of the worst AND best animations in the game, so there’s a lot to talk about

[@10types]

I feel like with the hero thing, playing in another language essentially never happens because when you're playing with your friends, you can probably talk to them

[@Tonjit41]

Tournaments exist.

[@10types]

@@Tonjit41 🧢

[@bdlotus3504]

"Having a long forward air might make you unbalanced" -Sephiroth with Grinch grin

[@andymcclurg9916]

Cuts to Jim Carrey's Grinch face

[@donovanmahan2901]

Honorable mention to captain falcon's upsmash for just having absolutely no indication for where it actually hits.

[@Tonjit41]

I play falcon a lot so I love it, but yea it's stupid.

[@Baconator2558]

One thing that bugs me about Ultimate's animations is the way they handled Bowser Jr.'s propellor. First of all, I'm not a fan of the Clown Car being primarily based on sitting on the ground, as that's not a thing it's able to do in most source games, and having him float during all of his grounded animations would make more sense. They often have the propellor slide to different parts of the Clown Car and it just feels unnatural, and in some animations, like N-Air for example, they don't even animate it at all. This is especially egregious in his bat swinging animation, which lasts a long period of time, all of which has Bowser Jr. airborne, but the propellor doesn't spin at all.

[@Baconator2558]

Also, they made Bowser Jr.'s rapid jab shorter in Ultimate, but because of the way they cut it, the animation doesn't loop properly anymore.

[@TerraBoy.]

Im pretty sure Pit’s Up-B looks like that because he’s not actually flapping his wings, Palutena takes control of his flight for up-b so I don’t think Pit needs to flap his wings

[@TerraBoy.]

Dark Pit should’ve gotten a different up-b tho because Palutena can only control Pits flight

[@captnBill_]

Genuinely surprised that you didnt mention Dr. Mario's taunts, or lack thereof... They all look like idle animations

[@briannawilson8845]

True, but I prefer Dr. Mario's taunts over Olimar's. Olimar in my opinion has the worst taunts over any character.

[@Irish_Enderman]

I love your intro! The perfectly timed attacks with the great song is just amazing

[@wanderlustwarrior]

Your thoughts about Ridley and Mewtwo's tails will be interesting if they're repeated by Sephiroth's sword.

[@burgers8432]

You should do signature move tier list for the Monado

[@creativeandfunnyname3744]

I think the great flourish at the end of Wolf's Utilt disqualifies it from being the worst.

[@awsomepersonism]

Martha’s back throw is one of my favorites. I feel like it has so much swagger. He doesn’t even look back at you after he trips you and launches you. Idk it always felt classy to me. Interesting to see how people’s perspectives vary!

[@minhamaenaomecrioupraseregirl]

Idk who Martha is but agree!!

[@Tonjit41]

I like Marth/Lucina's back throw too (?)

[@lasercraft32]

I don't like it because it feels weak and wimpy (which is probably intended) but despite that it can still launch the opponent a fair amount of distance. It loses points for looking weak (weaker throws aren't as satisfying) and also loses points for having inaccurate knockback.

[@cjlite0210]

The worst animated character is the ad that showed up right before he announced the "worst animated character"

[@chiquilio]

Extremely long fair for Ridley would be unbalanced Byleth and Sephiroth: *awkwardly looks away*

[@Adam-to5xu]

Because those fairs aren't good

[@saltysalmoling8055]

Fun fact: palutena gives both pit, and dark pit the power of flight to use against her, like they could've changed the colors so it was the goddess of nature, or pandora respectively.

[@ballisticboo7808]

Dark Pit's wings glow green, that's because Viridi is giving the power of flight to him

[@googa9689]

Copied from pjiggles

[@saltysalmoling8055]

@@googa9689 I mean yeah that's where I got it, but come on, that would be a nice touch. I mean we all know nintendo doesn't listen to their community much.

[@ballisticboo7808]

@@saltysalmoling8055 bro it's already in the game, just hard to notice

[@saltysalmoling8055]

@@ballisticboo7808 do you want me to just delete the comment then?

[@aIkaIi]

I never thought about how weird Sonic's neutral air is...like...what is he doing...

[@katlynlazuli8954]

I think it’s his N-Air in Sonic 3

[@ballisticboo7808]

@@katlynlazuli8954 no it's not. The sonic three move just has a force field cover him for a second, here he just spins really weirdly

[@taylorswiftliterallyownsme]

Your channel is extremely underrated, I haven’t even watched the video yet, but I know that it’s gonna be very food. Keep it up MockRock!

[@taylorswiftliterallyownsme]

whoops i said food instead of good

[@MrMisfortune]

I like food

[@lasercraft32]

I wouldn't call 107K subscribers underrated...

[@Cri_Jackal]

Mewtwo's back air animation is justified by how you use it. You use it immediately after using your double jump so that the hitbox comes out at the peak of your jump, this can very easily catch people off guard when they're high in the air. Ultimately what it comes down to is that a floaty character like Mewtwo needs at least one move with weird delayed timing that can synergize with his unique jump arcs, Jigglypuff has up air for this same purpose.

[@YosherYoshi]

I'll be honest, as a Yoshi main, his 'Akuma' victory pose is incredibly annoying to me. Not necessarily because it's posed badly, but because it looks like, at the end of the animation once the loop starts, it looks like part of his body by his legs just kind of.. deforms, and I really don't like it. It looks like his right leg is pushed inward too far and the body portion around it pushes in to compensate, particularly above the leg. I'm also not the biggest fan of his peace sign victory pose anymore either due to how the hand grows for it. I know why they did it but it looks weird to me. Yoshi's worst animation though if you ask me is his down special, which just looks like he'd break his tail upon impact with the ground. It's not even how the move is performed in Mario/Yoshi games; there, he slams down with his butt, not with his tail, and it is incredibly grating with the way it's animated right now. Sorry for talking specifically about Yoshi, but with him being my favourite character by a good margin, I guess I just found it easier to find animations hiccups for him in particular. Overall though I don't think he's animated that poorly outside of these things I mentioned, but I was slightly surprised that you didn't mention any of these even as a runner-up.

[@Robous]

Hey, someone else that talks a lot about something on a KZbin comment!

[@PandaFan2443]

I hate all of shulk's victory animations because his face looks like plastic.

[@dustymcwari4468]

The Ground Pound animation is from Yoshi Story, Smash really likes to reference that game and similars for Yoshi

[@Tonjit41]

A person that finds yoshi incredibly sexually attractive definitely exists. :D

[@Alonzone]

Yeah I’m not reading all that. You lost me at Akuma.

[@cowspawnerthecringeworthy7815]

Sonic: I sense a great disturbance in the force

[@jamesbutlerx64]

Justice for my boy, Sonic

[@awman4050]

Y e s

[@zaneheaston8254]

I think one way you could fix Olimar's animations is by having some moves have a heavy color trail follow behind the thrown pikmin, and the pikmin used for Smash Attacks to have less color trails

[@joshuabannister8904]

I dont agree with your Wii Fit Trainer picks because I feel like Wii Git Trainer is meant to have this stiff movement. E.g the running animation IS very stiff almost robotic but in the end shes this 10 year old tutorial character and its true to the Wii Fit game to not have wanky animations like the other characters.

[@Tonjit41]

Yeah. I agree. Wii Fit's uptilt hitbox is still a crime though.

[@MaxWelton]

9:53 I’ve never heard the phrase “a vertical take on the Mewtwo Problem” before. I love it.

[@CaptainCowboy80]

No matter what, that will always be one of the best intros I’ve ever seen on a KZbin video

[@zesty_jack7801]

worst taunts should be dr mario

[@conntoons_4848]

agreed.

[@petery6432]

I'm so glad you mentioned Mewtwo's Back-Air and Wii Fit's Up-Air. Those moves have always felt awkward to use because of how clunky those animations are. Nice job on this video; I never would have noticed how off stuff like Ridley Fair and Pit's Up B are.

[@legoactionstudios9400]

I wish Olimar’s jab involved the “rocket fist” from pikmin 2.

[@dustymcwari4468]

Ain’t that his FTilt?

[@funnyusername4774]

On Sonic’s neutral air, let’s not forget the missed opportunity of the appearance of the Insta-shield or the horizontal trick from the advance trilogy (don’t know the name) where he spins, not in a ball, with his hip as the pivot point, resulting in a ryu and Ken side b-esque kicking move (not in function though). Would’ve looked really clean with ultimate’s animations. (Edit) and about his down B (the fact that there’s two spindashes aside), I have no idea why they didn’t just 1. Give him the spiral effect on his ball form seen in the classic games when he’s charging the down B 2. Give the down B the classic SFX (and maybe a small multi hit charging hitbox like Corrin’s smash attacks except they don’t suck you closer into the move) and the side B the Adventure SFX, that way you could also justify being able to store a fully charged side B that moves even faster and does more damage than the regular version at the cost of some speed to reference the light speed attack, and/or make it so after you fully charge the side B you can then homing attack, and if it lands, it’ll home in and hit two more times if the opponent is close enough after the first hit, also to reference the light speed attack. (Edit but again) Steve should do the water bucket thing (you see it in speedruns and stuff a lot, it’s for avoiding fall damage, you know what I’m talking about) whenever he techs

[@glowcloudwheatproducts495]

I forgot how underwhelming wolf's uptilt was. To me it always looked like he was trying to hit people with his gun

[@chordalharmony]

Come to think of it, it’d be cool if he did a slash up with his gun (like bayo) or a quick toss up with the gun (like Joker)

[@gjensnskaoznxsbswksixidnsn6420]

Mewtwo’s back air is like that because it is cool that he bairly cares that he just did a move that kills people

[@dragonix2094]

Before the nair animation was shown I was thinking about sonic being on the list but not his nair lmfao

[@ballisticboo7808]

They had the perfect opportunity to use the insta shield, but decided not to for no reason

[@Sawcybui]

@@ballisticboo7808 from Sonic 3?

[@ballisticboo7808]

@@Sawcybui yes

[@jaydentorres254]

I wouldn’t give down smash to alph, purely for the fact that if he is facing away from the screen, it looks he is trying to stretch while getting something out of his suit.

[@tehquiper6796]

In Byleth's defense, Sothis was probably animated that way to keep the age rating at E10+

[@RyanStansberry]

I didn't know Game and Watch accidentally drops the player stock icon sometimes during throws until this video

[@YoyIeCake]

8:55 This quote feels like a hint at Sans Am I the only person who thought of Sans during this line?

[@Lagoon7]

back air and down air intro screen looks like a dead mario chalk outline

[@cherry_cherie148]

Great video over all, giving reason for each claim, however im surprised that Meta Knight's side taunt (i think) isn't on here because one frame, Meta Knight's wings are outstretched, then the next they are magically back to a Cape. It just feels awkward

[@soleheir2936]

Agreed.

[@marsupialmole3926]

Sonic's Nair is a recreation of the instant spin from Sonic 3, as a recreation of the move it's honestly pretty damn well done, it's just awkward due to how powerful it is. Also his Down-B isn't the problem move, holding down and tapping a button to charge spin is how the spin should work, the badly-done spin charge is his side-B

[@MagillanicaLouM]

You get it. I think Sonic's personality could come through in smash too but the ball based attacks aren't tge problem, if anything they're his most faithful since well, its primarily how dude attacks in his games. And its Sonic the HEDGEHOG, idk why folks are so angry at the curled up moves when his character pretty much tells you what's up on the tin lol. I think its a lot of the non spin attack inspired moves that are the lacking ones in showing off Sonic's character. Just even adding ending flourishes to his attacks would go a long way for a start.

[@taylorswiftliterallyownsme]

Surprised Fox was never mentioned, his animations look very boring to me.

[@matthaisstupidus]

that damn jab... SERIOUSLY WHAT IS THAT POSE

[@ddraven3180]

But he is "cool" and "badass" so we'll overlook anything about him

[@albertthepeacock8020]

Fox is such a boring character he has no hype moves or any meteor smash/spikes all he is just fast and grabs he's fun for about 2-3 matches but that's it he gets stale and boring very quick idk why people main him

[@FoxMcCloud3173]

^ apparently you’re now forbidden to main the character you like

[@myztory]

I disagree, Fox has some cool animations. I’ve always really liked how agile and scrappy he moves. And I love watching characters flip, and Fox flips a lot lol.

[@Xeno_Solarus]

Bruh, Byleth worst FS? You've gotta be joking.

[@Yipper64]

so basically when an animation holds back for the sake of game ballance, you'd say it could have been done better.

[@ThatBoyJackaboy]

I know Sonic’s neutral air is supposed to be the Insta-Shield from Sonic 3&K, but it could have been executed so much better.

[@poggersfrog]

“Rollout is generic and bad” Mandjtv approves this message

[@Robous]

Ah, yes. THAT Pokémon.

[@dillon8124]

I never even noticed wolf's up tilt was using his leg, I always thought it was his arm like mario

[@YouTubeUser-zh9os]

It honestly really sucks how boring Byleth's final smash. Compare it to Sephiroth's, and its night and day.

[@jacklillestrand8918]

What if Olimar’s forward smash was him grabbing the pikmin by the leaf and swinging it like a bat. That would at least make it more distinct and actually feel like a smash attack

[@dustymcwari4468]

Guess the reason may be because he must be sold as a commander ordering the Pikmin to attack, because he is just that, rather than just using them as living spendable weapons, with the exception being his aerials, that actually fail to sell that idea, they make Olimar look more abusive towards the Pikmin, rather than telling them what to do, or he himself attacking or assisting the Pikmin to more easily latch onto enemies by throwing them towards them (ideally at the enemy weak spots), similar to how Peach used to hold Toad like a meat shield

[@justsomeonerandom4752]

Can we talk about meta knight and his down taunt and how his cloak thingy just disappear when his wings come out and suddenly appears when the taunt ends

[@ballisticboo7808]

You realize the cape and the wings are the same thing, they morph into each other

[@MoonGhostDoodles]

Late into the discussion but I think Ridley's Forward Air is pretty well animated when you take in consideration the rest of his character. He isn't just a savage primal monster, he's cold and calculated when the situation requires it. I see that move as an extension of that personality trait. Holding back his tail to hit multiple times and try a different approach, since his other moves already cover more space and hit harder, a multi hit move like that makes sense.

[@gehrigtherat8860]

I would love to see him make his own smash game, I’m sure everything would be perfect.

[@lasercraft32]

No it wouldn't... While I agree with most there are some opinions he has I do not agree with. Most of his opinions are decided through a competitive lens. For example, he thinks less of some moves for being (and I quote) "generic" just because they're simpler in concept than others. He also dislikes moves such as the Falcon Punch and Warlock Punch because they're too slow and impractical in competitive play, even though they're not supposed to be practical. -He also thinks Bandana Dee is a B tier instead of an S tier.-

[@tylerr2016]

Ridleys Fair should’ve been him lunging at the opponent like a feral creature

[@robhousehold]

8:04 *Laughs in Sephiroth*

[@bradleybolden689]

15:43 That was excellent ad placement. Well done

[@stixsis4656]

Ooh, I like the Shantae music in the background

[@MaxWelton]

12:40 also, Pit’s Power of Flight’s colors don’t match the lore. Pit’s wings glow red because Palutena is letting him borrow that power. This iteration of Dark Pit, according to in-game lore established in Palutena’s Guidance, is working for Viridi, which makes his wings glow green. This is all well and good, but it'd make sense if Pit's power of Flight animation changed if he was fighting Palutena. That'd imply that he's using Viridi's Power of Flight like in Uprising. This is explained in a Palutena's Guidance: Palu allows Pit to continue using the Power of Flight in the interest of fairness, which makes sense. I just wish they worked in that easter egg with the animation. It’s a potential inconsistency with the characters’ lore.

[@AGuyNamedRex]

I am so glad someone talked about Ridley's forward air. It always felt uncomfortable to use and that it was an odd choice to use his tail. But I can also see that they may have not wanted another big Bowser like claw swipe again.

[@JacobPDeIiNoNi]

I'm a defender of ridley's fair. I don't think the animation is great, but I think the issue has to do with his posing rather than the tail use. The thing is, I like that it doesn't look powerful... because the move isn't powerful. It's a multihit used for combos and edgeguards- moves like that NEVER look powerful (e.g. pika nair, mewtwo nair, palu nair. None of those moves have a strong-looking launch and have fittingly modest knockback). Also, I think that if the tail were to extend further it would actually look more awkward, due to the fact that the move is a multihit. The tail being coiled up works because it means each individual strike has less distance to travel. If the move had to travel the full distance of the tail for each strike, it would look awkward because there wouldn't be enough frames to accurately convey that motion (sort of the issue ZSS jab has). Think of it like a snake- If a snake is coiled up, that allows it to strike more safely and effectively since it means it can more easily retreat back to its body after a strike to perform another. Apply a similar concept to ridley's tail, and I think the coiling makes sense. It also helps to convey his character better. Ridley's cunning- He knows when to use his abilities in a reserved way (moves like fair, up tilt, or jab) but also when to go all out (moves like his specials, especially down special, and smash attacks). Exclusively having those stronger-looking moves would just make him look strong without that characterization, cause he'd just swing all out on everything like DK. The only issue I have with the move is that the pose is terrible. He doesn't lean into the attack, nor do his arms look right at all. That's why the move feels so awkward, not necessarily due to the tail strikes. Overall it's probably still the worst forward air, but it's up against good copetition (the only other one I would consider for worst is Ken/Ryu)

[@origamakoie6558]

Seriously underrated channel! Great videos and have a great rest of the year!

[@theomcinturff1213]

If not Olimar's smashes, who would be your second choice for each? I agree with Olimar, but he does seem like kind of a shoe-in and I wanted to hear your take on second place.

[@MrMockRock]

I'd have to go through every attack again to give a proper answer, but some that come to mind away include all of Wii Fit Trainer's (same issue with no motion smears/body breaking I mentioned for uair), one of the generic double slashes most sword users have for down smash, ROB's up smash, Corrin's up smash...those would be a few on the shortlist.

[@gbx4858]

@@orangeslash1667 Completely unrelated to his comment, but disregarding that he could’ve been implemented way better

[@gbx4858]

@@orangeslash1667 Again, you are talking about something completely unrelated. You were talking about why his moveset needed to be oversaturated with ball attacks, and now you bring up something completely different

[@gbx4858]

But anyways, you think having two special moves that do basically the same thing (that being spin dash and spin charge) is good design? Because most people think otherwise. And in general, you can come up with something better for things like his neutral air instead of just using it as an excuse for another ball attack

[@gbx4858]

@@orangeslash1667 Oh come on now. Yes, they are *technically* different in some way, but in the end, they’re literally both just charging burst movement options that you can jump out of. They’re basically the same special move in comparison to any two other special moves any other character has in the game.

[@camusreviews6877]

I agree with the n-air placement with Sonic but I think Cloud gets a honorable mention. I get that they had to balance the range coming in from Smash 4 but did he have to *cronch* his elbow while holding the sword like that, it also looks weak because of this which is odd given the sheer size of the sword.

[@Tonjit41]

I have not played smash 4, only ultimate. I have no issue with cloud's nair. I actually really like how it looks and I think it's quick and weakness is really sick. Just my take.

[@Paulunatr]

Cloud's up air has always bothered me. Like, he's just holding the sword edge-up and falling? No real motion or satisfying heft in the animation, and it's made worse by the fact that it was a cornerstone of his playstyle in Smash 4, so I had to see and deal with it over and over and over. As someone with no nostalgia value for the character I was genuinely pissed about his inclusion and his up air had a lot to do with it. I don't especially mind Cloud these days but his up air is still irritating to look at.

[@ballisticboo7808]

As a Mewtwo main, the back air looks limp because if it was faster, it'd be busted. In order to get around it, they probably went with the "powerful character doesn't use their full potential" trope

[@lasercraft32]

@@N12015 Its literally a kill move though... as in, its knockback scaling and damage makes it a good option to take stocks in competitive matches...

[@electricenergy116]

Cant wait to see Sephiroth’s sakurai presents so we can put him on one of these

[@showmeyourmoves8551]

His moves are already generic swings and the projectile is like the same animation as joker's

[@planktonwithwater2886]

I believe Sonic’s Nair makes sense it’s because of his speed he is creating a gravitational pull causing him to spin in that motion

[@About9000]

Cloud's Nair. I know why it looks bad. it still has the problem Ridley's Fair does

[@yogurt5628]

I haven’t realized that wolfs up tilt actually used his leg and not his arm