Modern armour for sword fighting

[@afinoxi]

Why must bee keepers fight

[@maddockemerson4603]

The cold sands of their homeland causes much competition. This one wonders why they do not all stop to smell the flowers together.

[@ChrisinOSMS]

Hive mentality.

[@theappleeaters6844]

They engage in the classic process of combat over control of their bee hives. It is a tradition that has been in existence since the dark ages.

[@milkwater1204]

Oh fuck!

[@jamesdriscoll9405]

For the Queen!

[@coryman125]

My brother once had a foil snap and poke him in the shoulder. It wasn't bad, and it just barely drew blood, but it did stain the jacket. From then on, he only ever wore that jacket

[@GunFunZS]

That last bit is the part that makes the story most credible. I have a "slightly sworded" tux shirt which is my favorite bit of formal wear.

[@coryman125]

@@GunFunZS Haha, nothing makes a piece of clothing yours quite like a blood stain from a sword fight! :D

[@GunFunZS]

@@coryman125 no bloodstains on mine had a puncture in another puncture out on the right forearm . So I stitched a bit of fancywork on there , borrowing style from cavalry tunics. I like it, but some may find it garish.

[@coryman125]

@@GunFunZS Oh, interesting! At least if anyone asks why it's there, you have a story behind it, haha

[@bubbybumble616]

@@GunFunZS in what context were you wearing a tux in a swordfight lol

[@PaulPaulPaulson]

That mask at least has the advantage of protection against high energy microwave weapons. Edit: *authentic medieval* high energy microwave weapons. Not those modern ones with all the plastic.

[@aussiebloke609]

And it should work even better than giving your hat an aluminium foil liner to stop the government/aliens/whatever you are afraid of from subjecting you to mind control/anal probes/whatever you are afraid of. PS: Plus you can have a cigarette inside it while in a mine, without worrying about explosive gas. Talk about multifunctional! :-D

[@doctorrandomiise2532]

FIRE ARROWS

[@damascus1111]

@@aussiebloke609 He was saying how it essentially makes a Faraday cage. Or atleast I believe he was, I can't read minds like the government *puts on aluminum foil hat*

[@Cythil]

That reminds me of how many fantasy games does it wrong with plate armour being less resistant against lighting attacks when it very well could act as a Faraday cage and protect you. ;)

[@psychoaiko666]

yeah ok, but what about authentic medieval manportable full auto lazercannons? Or an authentic medieval m1a7 Abrams tank? would you be on if one of those drove over you?

[@EndlessVacuum]

The fencing mask makes you look like a giant microphone.

[@markschmitz5038]

No, I don't even have a fencing mask. Where did you get that from?

[@ofsabir]

@@markschmitz5038 That's such a nice joke sir. I appreciate your willingness to make people laugh.

[@markschmitz5038]

@@ofsabir thanks, on second thought this was very cheesy,

[@argusflugmotor7895]

It do tho

[@OpiatesAndTits]

At least you don’t look like a bunker or a cylon!

[@andypughtube]

The knee protectors fall down because they expect to be tucked in to motocross boots (which is why motorcross boots are so big in the calf). So the simple answer is to wear motorcross boots, helmet, body armour and ride a bike instead of a norse.

[@MatrixPanda]

If you are riding a norse into battle, give him a Daim bar and tell him he's a good boy.

[@andyexuptaylor4503]

Knee braces don't move much knee pads can be bit crap though

[@tigershark8867]

@@nom_chompsky ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@Milamberinx]

I love riding my Norse, he's splendid.

[@quizarorobzaqu8558]

@@Milamberinx Norwegians are thicc

[@LV_427]

"English Settlement Society" sounds like a place where people plow fields, raise cattle and do other agricultural stuff then drink tea afterwards.

[@dobiem1]

Colonisation Old Chap. Have you got a flag? (Eddie Izzard) ;)

[@nealramsey4439]

To me it sounds like people drinking tea and talking about others doing work....lol

[@Munisk52]

Yeah it sounds like a peasant reanactment group

[@VincentGonzalezVeg]

@@nealramsey4439 (☞ ͡ ͡° ͜ ʖ ͡ ͡°)☞ Realism +4

[@jessecruz7835]

"Now, you too can experience the joys of Mud Farming with the ENGLISH SETTLEMENT SOCIETY. Enquire today!"

[@chringlanthegreat4556]

0:00 when the Arthurian society change there name to the English settlement society

[@northtexan95]

Compromise is an excellent word. Don't let others compromise your use of compromise.

[@kingjames4886]

no compromises!

[@emarsk77]

But what if compromise compromises my understanding?

[@truslew8089]

@@emarsk77 My comprehension of your comment is compromised.

[@raphaelslittletalks]

Come on everybody, we need to comprise.

[@lowlandnobleman6746]

^ At least you tried...

[@SlideRulePirate]

"So, how'd you get the scar?" "Spear Wound." Cool.

[@nickspurdo5503]

What a badass

[@Usurper123]

I have a scar from a sword wound on my chin. If course the sword was a tree branch and I was 10 when I got it playing with my friends but if anyone asks it's a sword wound.

[@bruvamichal7437]

and knockout tooth is also cool??¿

[@pearsonm957]

I have an axe scar from fighting for a 1066 documentary

[@Rig0p]

I have a scar on my forehead caused by a sword and it's not cool.... OK IT'S TOTALLY COOL BUT I HAVE A SCAR ON MY FOREHEAD

[@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs]

0:00 When your GF doesn't care about the the Boer Wars

[@masterblob7196]

Fuck the Boers (This post was made by the General Kitchener gang)

[@DyzelisLTU]

The meme king is here!

[@erfgtdsfsdf6993]

by Jingo!

[@Tadicuslegion78]

Redvers Buller: Dirty Rotten Boers, they're cheating that's what they are.

[@bluesap7318]

The Iron Armenian aka G.I. Haigs that face was the face of a murderer.

[@kevinfox5594]

Most dangerous things I remember from taking part and first aiding at reenactment was rabbit holes - I think every broken bone I treated or saw was a leg down rabbit hole incident

[@SK_2521]

Protect the joints. Bones and meat can easily heal. Hurt joints - that can be nasty

[@TheCoffeehound]

Exactly. Today, my left knee is reminding me of a stupid fall on the ice that I had ten years ago.

[@theonedude129]

Was packing 80lbs of gear. Had a small trip, landed on my knee and got back up right way and continued hiking the two miles back to camp. Next day I couldn’t move my leg. Fast forward a year and a half to today and I still feel the pain in my knee every now and then but at least I can still walk.

[@SlimTony]

Yea, unfortunately, your hands are basically all joints and the gloves are the hardest part to get right. Articulated Armour is still not something we have mastered

[@AstralS7orm]

@@SlimTony Uh, we have, a few centuries back? The modern hacky variants are just not quite as developed and are cheaper. And you do not really need articulated armor for practice, just plenty of various toughness padding. Just like in light/pro boxing gloves. (e.g. 10 oz) Heck, boxing gloves are narrower than many HEMA gloves and in practice work better, which is sad. If you want to use these, make sure to pick one without the annoying velcro strap - laced or elastic.

[@BassRemedy]

thats the problem with hands, because its very densely concentrated with a bunch of joints, and other delicate biomachinery that is very likely to get fricked up if it takes any damage

[@OnceIWasBooker]

"White is more likely to go beige, I'm thinking long term!"

[@chickensandwich1589]

@David Genestealowitz hahahaha... fuck you! ;)

[@markschmitz5038]

That's how Lindy got his name. His opponents initially had white pants, then beige.

[@landlockedcroat1554]

mii music dood

[@imflikyt]

real men fight behind 200mm of composite reactive armour while sitting down, like gentlemen

[@vedymin1]

And then they fry inside like becon :P

[@basteagui]

@@vedymin1 you must sip on tea with your pinky out while sitting on these mechanical behemoths for it to count

[@mariuspequeno2175]

Real men fight with their fists forming scissors rocks and papers looking the enemy in the eye

[@Virolaxion]

Real men fly drones remotely behind 2 miles of land, while sitting down, like gentlemen.

[@TheLoxxxton]

Real men are lovers not fighters. So much more interesting and training the many techniques far more pleasurable!! Lol

[@K1W1fly]

Have you thought of painting your Mesh face mask black? Its a surprising thing with mesh, your eyes see the bright metal, when its black your eyes focus behind it - It works on bird cages!

[@KP3droflxp]

They are black when they are new (at least the ones I've used for fencing) it's just that you usually never come around to repainting them

[@ExDragonMaster]

General comments: - There's those two camps (HEMA should be a sport and HEMA should look like the olden days). Then there's also the "HEMA is a martial art that we're reconstructing. We should take knowledge from sports and other disciplines, but damn well make sure it doesn't turn into modern Olympic fencing" camp. - Yes. Those fingertip protectors are REALLY uncomfortable. - SPES gauntlets actually are useful for other longsword models. However, it does work better for swords with longer handles/grips. I think it works just fine with models like the Albion Meyer and the Regenyei longsword (both of which are considered within reason for longsword specs). But for something with proportions like the Rawlings synthetic longsword (without the pommel extender) or your longsword, the SPES heavies do not work very well. - Swords are a force multiplier. Proper technique will also hurt your opponent/training partner unless you take extreme care; often to the point where the technique will fail. The school I'm training in often requires attacks with enough intent and force (without injuring your training partner, obviously). This is because (according to my school's interpretations of these techniques), the techniques do not work otherwise. Incidents involving swinging a sword with reckless abandon or even malicious intent don't happen nearly as often as incidents where you hit harder than you expected to hit. That's what the high-impact resistant equipment is for (not even factoring in tournament fighting).

[@MisdirectedSasha]

You can also fight in different ways to train different skills. You can fight in minimal gear and pull your hits, and then later (or another night, whatever) put on your gear and fence full intent. There is value in both.

[@megatron..9032]

O , O

[@ExDragonMaster]

@MisdirectedSasha Yep. Can't disagree with that.

[@reltihfloda7210]

I think the modern sport tards using plastic should have their own little club separate while the rest of us create a hema guild in a historically accurate living museum castle town where we can reenactment/larp 24 seven and where everything MUST be 100% trad. Then we would not have this problem. Everything could be done there. Like mounted hema and jousting. It is important that we don't loose the historical part which we might if it doesn't split like that. I want to wear real armor and clothes and do knight stuff and take that as far as possible. Not have another silly sportified martial art like Olympic fencing but worse with disgusting carcinogenic estrogenous plastics and dumb marxist sjw nerds with neon hair and rainbow knee socks.

[@magtegi2]

@@reltihfloda7210 ? Are you joking

[@innovativeatavist159]

"Trust is so much more useful than armor." Thank you Dr. Beige, I look forward to our weekly sessions.

[@Rocknoob49]

Minor problem with the "head hits dont count" system: People tend to pull up their shoulder and lower their head when they try to flinch away from a shoulder hit. Our group calls it the "danish armour" because of a danish group who notoriously did that at a tounament :D

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

I thought one of the first things you learn would be to prevent flinching?

[@alimertc]

@@bl4cksp1d3r Those dans didn't learn that apparently

[@imbetterthanyoubyfar]

The way I have it in the taekwondo and muay thai places I've trained in, the hit doesn't count and the instructor would take you aside to penalise (read: leg kick you a few times) you, respectively, if you hit them in the wrong place because of negligence, and you'd be kicked out if it was intentional. However, if it's the victim who was being an idiot about it or intentionally shielding themselves, then they'd tell them to suck it up and keep fighting.

[@jordansblabbering6303]

That doesn't sound brave, I'm glad my LARP prohibits that.

[@Marco_Onyxheart]

The fencing jacket could also be a good-looking winter jacket.

[@Pfsif]

So many blokes jumped with joy over a new Lindybeige video, it caused a 6.6 earthquake in Alaska. Settle down gentleman.

[@SigurdKristvik]

for those of you that don't know: also known as me.... 7.0 magnitude earthquake shook downtown Anchorage-Alaska this Friday morning.

[@azdgariarada]

The quake also almost knocked the glasses off the wall in Lindy's background.

[@DavidThomas-sv1tk]

It got revised to a 7.0. No damage at my house, but some building and roadway damage in Anchorage.

[@jacobhayes5245]

@@DavidThomas-sv1tk rip

[@alfadoofus]

it was a wild ride

[@tomllewellyn7263]

As garish as the Red Dragon writing is on those products, it's done it's job perfectly, I had never heard of them before.

[@moosemaimer]

It's for motorsports. Everything in motorsport is about getting your brand name in front of as many cameras as possible, and then function second. Watch a racer take their helmet off, the very next thing that happens is somebody plops a cap onto their head to keep that branding up there.

[@Aron-ru5zk]

The Moose well if your not into motocross... you wouldn’t have

[@benjaminboyle7329]

Your ideas about trust in your sparring partner and not doing anything that might actually hurt your sparring partner is how people end up thinking aikido actually works. I don't disagree with the general sentiment but the ability to engage in full speed aggressive competition is essential in any combat discipline. Doesn't have to be done that way all the time though. Just has to be done often enough that you don't start lying to yourself.

[@Raysnature]

I think there is a difference here though. One of the many reasons people train in the more well known martial arts is for self defence reasons and in that type of training I agree totally it needs to be as real as possible. However no one is actually training in HEMA as a means of self protection and chopping someone up with a sword would get you serious jail time in most countries of the world no matter what the circumstances.

[@LuxTheSlav]

@@Raysnature We can still train it that way though. And we do.

[@gerwantofrivera3725]

@@Raysnature >hopping someone up with a sword would get you serious jail time in most countries of the world no matter what the circumstances. That is simply wrong. Most countries have gave a seft defence law that says that you can use what you want in order TO STOP the attacker. In many states in US, you may even hurt somebody that is fleeing.

[@devin7161]

Bartosz Zarosa The point he was making is that that is pretty impractical. A burglar breaks into your house and you grab a two handed sword to confront him? Doubtful. This is a fun hobby for fans of history. (Virtually) No one is practicing this so they can feel safe. Additionally, you can use force if you are faced with death or significant injury or to stop a felony. It’s hard to picture someone fleeing as posing a serious threat to you and if there fleeing, they are probably done commiting the felony at that point. The only state that I could find that allows shooting fleeing people is Texas. So do you have a citation for those facts? www.usacarry.com/can-one-shoot-fleeing-robber/

[@Sheol02]

@@Raysnature People train in HEMA because they want to learn how people actually used swords to kill each other. It's done for fun, true, but the key here is "how people actually did this". It's a study and simulation of actual combat (albeit duels mostly), not the "pretend" version like in LARP or Reenactment, nor the heavily altered like in Kendo or Sport Fencing. Hence why "full-contact" is necessary. And nowadays, full-contant requires you to wear protection to do all the other useful things in real, modern world.

[@Sean-ne3gx]

I find it funny in a nit pick-y way that Lloyd apologized for using a complex and long word like "compromise" immediately before using the word "authenticity". (Just having a small chuckle at the juxtaposition, still liked the video)

[@Null_Vampyrr]

well "authenticity" is pretty basic word that cannot really be replaced with something simpler whereas "compromised" could be replaced by "decreased" for example.

[@nozero1]

"Compromise" is one of those words a KZbin survival bro would use, whilst describing his "tactical survival holster system" (ie sheaf). I find it super obnoxious, and I'm glad Lindy makes a point of using the most simple, most appropriate words.

[@BartJBols]

@@nozero1 I feel your opinion is compromised.

[@jedidiahdavis7147]

Compromise is really the appropriate word here bc it's a decrease in one thing in order to gain something else. Also, Sean, please apologize for using the word juxtaposition in a post about not using complicated words 😜

[@nozero1]

@@jedidiahdavis7147 "limited" or "reduced" would be better, because whilst there is a trade off involved, the sentence refers exclusively to the limitation and not also the alternative Benefit. "Compromised" in this context wouldn't refer to a trade off, but as something undermining; a problem (as in, "our operation has been compromised").

[@freewillgeorge]

are you allowed to show up in full plate to fight camp?

[@SalamiSlice]

The ones I've went to allow it sometimes, but generally no. It takes too long to put on and take off and it's also it's fencing, not fighting, a gambeson and other fencing equipment is light and easy to move in, plate armor is gonna tire you out pretty quick.

[@SarahExpereinceRequiem]

No. You can't turn up to a blossfecten event dressed for harnischfechten, medieval helmets aren't protective enough for most people's comfort (unless e they've got modified eye slits with fencing mask mesh in them) Some people use steel gauntlets but they're more expensive, less protective and dangerous to others (they can get sharp burrs that can damage gear or cut bare skin)

[@bellmaster4088]

Well dam, looks like I spent all of that time modifying that set of hardened steel full plate armor was wasted, was just about to modify the eye slits but had a hardtime deciding what to do

[@MisdirectedSasha]

There are Harnischfechten events, bring your armour to one of those instead, or to an event that does mixed armour/armour as worn.

[@fsmoura]

No, but if you do, you're in frickin' full plate, what they gonna do?! Huh!? ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Huh!?!? ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

[@lawfulpotato]

The chad ARTHURIAN SOCIETY vs. The virgin English Settlement Society

[@RimmyDownunder]

God you looked very Davos Seaworth-y at the start there.

[@phillipribbink6903]

Wasn't expecting to see a familiar face here.

[@roundduck7005]

Of course his here. Anglos gotta stick together

[@jessthehuman]

Yeah - he really looks quite serious and menacing. He normally seems so benign lol

[@jessthehuman]

@@roundduck7005 he is or he's (the contracted version) - it matters because to literate people it makes us have to read it twice because the first time is confusing.

[@michaelroth8459]

My first thought was Ralfy from the league

[@woodyofp8574]

This gives me fond memories of being a teenager and making swords and shields out of pieces of wood and fighting with my friend. Never any serious injuries, but plenty of cuts and splinters.

[@davefellhoelter1343]

"Armor" is like worm cloths in the snow, water, shovel a recovery rope in the desert, or ammo. You think you have enough until you know you don't.

[@Corndog1]

Hey Lindybeige! ive been doing HEMA for a year now, and honestly the best gloves at the moment in my opinion are the sparring gloves. They take a long time to get to you, but they offer the best protection vs mobility.

[@kronus4915]

The second lindybeige video within the same week!? Is this a blessing?

[@fsmoura]

8:04 Yes, yes! When fighting Lindy, _always_ go for the collarbone! That's pretty well established.

[@rtbinc2273]

American football players are trained to play in ways that will hurt people. In tackling, for example, player are trained to charge trough their opponent, that same way you punch trough someone in boxing. In rugby, which is a version of football (really the other way around) players are trained to catch their opponents instead. You wind up with a still fun and physical sport, but much safer.

[@TheBenchPressMan]

Recently quit rugby (semi-professional university team, playing alongside individuals who are likely to/are playing professionally) after one of my friends took such a heavy hit to the head, he’s been left seriously brain damaged and won’t be the same again. After seeing him, I just can’t take that risk. I do agree with you about controlling the player in the air during a tackle, and not taking people down while they are in the air etc, but intrinsically Rugby is still extremely dangerous now that players are positively encouraged to become as strong, heavy and powerful as they possibly can be.

[@devin7161]

While this sounds correct on the surface, it’s really flawed for one reason: in football, every inch matters soo much more then in comparison to rugby. In rugby, if you tackle him now or a foot later, it’s not too important except in small areas of the field. In football, if you give him even an extra foot, he could get a first down and that foot is a significant part (3%) of 10 yards. So you can tackle more safely in rugby in comparison to football because you have more time/aren’t as worried about stopping him instantly. Imagine “catching” a back like Ezikiel Elliot or Jerome Bettis, while your catching him he’s carrying you past then first down marker and you are getting benched.

[@rtbinc2273]

Devin I don’t think the distances are what you think. The ball is down when forward movement stops. You don’t have to crush someone to stop their forward movement. This is judged by the official. This is a matter of rules, but the injury is a matter of physics. American football players are trained to hit the hardest way possible, it is much more than what is necessary to stop the movement of the ball. The padding, armor (American KZbin will not accept “armour” as a valid spelling for anything) adds mass. Since F=MA (Force equals mass time acceleration) the extra mass of the padding times the acceleration achieved by the technique means excessive forces are made.

[@gunslinger11bravo]

American football is played at speeds much faster and by men often times much larger than those found on the rugby pitch. Also the increased physicality afforded by the extra armor is one of the big draws for spectators of the game.

[@devin7161]

Rtb Inc The additional mass from padding is probably pretty negligible in comparison to the mass of a player. And it also reduces the speed a player runs at lowering acceleration. Please don’t suggest removing or decreasing padding/helmets. The last time the nfl played football without helmets, multiple people a year were dieing and the sport was almost banned. Just an FYI, I am a football fan and familiar with the rules. You do litterally have to crush the person since it will slow them down the quickest. Sure you can tackle safer but that will almost certainly tackle them slower and they will get more yardage. And in football, every inch is far more crucial then rugby so football has more incentives to crush people and always will.

[@_budget_builds_6715]

0:00 When they put safety over authenticity

[@xbbao]

Medieval leg armor never had the problem of sliding down and exposing the leg because the armor was directly pointed to a linen or leather girdle around the waist. You could maybe improvise something like that

[@MisdirectedSasha]

The points are part of it, but anatomical shaping to fit the human body was a bigger factor.

[@jentegeeraerts1119]

I love how you can talk about pretty normal things and make them sound quite funny, I really like this channel :)

[@MartinTraXAA]

No. The best protection is not knowing and having control over your weapon and self while having trust. The best protection is the protection you *wear*. In fencing you are meant to strike the opponent. Your opponent is trying to strike you. Between those to conflicting goals someone WILL get hit, and no amount of trust and control can avoid poor luck and chance in the form of a longsword breaking every bone in your hand because of the slightest miscalculation. The protective gear is there to protect you and protect your opponent, while allowing you to accurately and realistically carry out techniques that would otherwise injure you. If you have no protective gear, you cannot carry out these techniques accurately nor realistically without a considerably greater risk of someone getting injured. You learn the techniques through drills and do light sparring to gain the control and trust before you do full contact sparring, but when you do get to that point you better put on your protective gear and ensure your opponent does the same before putting that trust and control to violent use. Without protective gear you will not advance past that initial level of experience and stagnate.

[@farmerboy916]

I have to wonder how much the "arthurian society" was just historical themed playfighting, with the whole no head hits and no actually hitting each other with any strength thing. Yeah, joined a club that studies Meyer since this video came out, it certainly wouldn't make sense for what we do to have anything less than mask and gloves even for just paired drills

[@heathencurse3578]

Canadian here. I think Ice Hockey equipment would work tremendously well for this sport. It is already designed to protect you from hacks, slashes, bladed skates. Hockey gloves, shin pads, elbow pads, neck guard, maybe even shoulder pads, and the helmets with full cage or full visor. Also a jock wouldn't be a bad idea.

[@kasperbuyens3562]

Please Loyd, don't go telling people they only need a fencing mask for fencing.... I did epee fencing, and my instructor always told us about a local championship where a fencer died from having a tear in his jacket. He got stabbed though the tear in his jacket, the epee entered the body and pierced a few vital organs. Also, the rubber/plastic cap you talked about can fall of, with catastrophic results.

[@tomstafford7510]

You can wear fencing masks (without the extender) flipped up on your head 'Corinthian helmet' style. When I'm coaching half the time it's flipped up revealing my face, half the time it's down -- it takes but a second to switch.

[@ifonlyicouldstop]

You might know...is half of Lindy's preferred modern armour (the pieces that arent repurposed motor cross, fencing or ice hockey RED DRAGONNNNN!!! equipment) esentially Kendo body protection. Certainly, the face mask and guantlets appear to be.

[@tomstafford7510]

@@ifonlyicouldstop the mask looks like Leon Paul, couldn't say about the other stuff

[@MisdirectedSasha]

@@ifonlyicouldstop The Spes heavies are purpose-built for HEMA. Lindy just gave up on them before he had broken them in properly. The forearm protectors are for HEMA too, though there are better options on the market.

[@ifonlyicouldstop]

@@MisdirectedSasha does Hema incorporate a broad church of historical martial arts or is it limited to European codes? I mentioned Kendo because the second "covered" fencing helmet and guantlets seem to borrow heavily in design from the bogou Men and Kote of that sport (Although I think the Kote would be a significant improvement on the rigid gauntlets, if your aim was to sacrifice some protection for improved flexibility). I only bring sports like Kendo up because, like fencing, there seems to be a rich vein of other swordplay sports from which to experiment, when it comes to gear.

[@MisdirectedSasha]

@@ifonlyicouldstop the "E" in HEMA is for European, so that's the main focus. Some people borrow from japanese or philipino martial arts, though there's a reluctance to borrow too much, since the contexts are quite different. The specific design of mask overlay Lindy has does borrow from Kendo, but the gauntlets are based more on a mix of SCA stuff and 16th century European armour as I understand. I also personally really don't like that style of mask overlay but I see enough people use it to figure there's some value to it. I have handled Kendo gauntlets, and they're awesome, but they aren't designed to withstand strikes from a steel sword unfortunately. It is critical to have the rigid layer over the padding when being hit by metal training weapons, much more than with Shinai.

[@adamant4107]

I actually joined audible because of LIndy hahaha. Now my daughter is getting a membership for christmas. It's pretty great actually. Never thought I'd like it but now I love it. I can do stuff while hearing a book.

[@Toast.Bread.123]

So British he apologies for using a non offensive word! 10/10

[@Milamberinx]

An American would have said “compromization”.

[@ThePoeticPariah]

Why don't you just dye your jacket like you'd dye your beige shirts?

[@unai_asecas9070]

Because he would rather let dirt and sweat do the job

[@codycole2684]

Gambies take a bit to dry out and he might need it at a moments notice 😂

[@AstralS7orm]

This fencing jacket material, a kind of nylon or acrylic fabric I think, doesn't really take in dyes. But you could paint it.

[@jwadaow]

It's works better white

[@Likexner]

@@AstralS7orm Krylon: Are you challenging me?

[@Climpus]

Blimey - this was posted today! On the subject of less protection 'you'd be safer' - if every car had a 7 inch sharpened steel spike protruding from the centre of the steering wheel, I would conjecture that people would drive in a safer manner than if they had an airbag....

[@Raysnature]

Haha I heard that lecture too. :-)

[@ChristnThms]

Actually, they probably would. Look around at the average driving skill. These people can barely tie their shoes. The ONLY reason the highways aren't killing fields is intrusive automated safety. When those fail, things go horribly wrong.

[@Climpus]

@@Raysnature Which lecture was that...?

[@Raysnature]

@@Climpus The metal spike on the steering wheel (in combination with the banning of seat belts) was first in a book on the perception and implementation of safety and how we often get it wrong way back in the 90's. For the life of me I can't remember the title or the author; this is a shame because he was a guest lecturer when I was at Warwick Uni. One of the funniest and best lectures I ever attended.

[@Climpus]

@@Raysnature On the rare occasions I drive my bike without gloves in the height of the summer, I'm very aware that that is the case and ride even more like my grandmother (as it were) than I normally do.

Lloyd, we do understand the meaning of the word compromised. We can even handle bigger words than that.

[@Divertedflight]

28:01 Live long and prosper to you too!

[@tomllewellyn7263]

Peace and long life :)

[@Aviakeen1]

I was looking for this comment. :)

[@TheVigilante2000]

This is a very complex issue: Competition vs. Exhibition, Small vs. Large Groups, Skill Level, Format, Judges/Marshall, etc... makes for no 'right' answer.

[@coronal2207]

Your rapier training partner trusted you, and you thrusted him in the face! XD Seriously though, protection is important if you want to fight with intent at full speed. Lightly protected plays also have their place but the two complement each other, either one cannot be the only training method you use if you are training to simulate combat.

[@BenjaminEmm]

Your points are spot on about armour. It’s actually a huge debate at the moment in mixed martial arts fighting sports, like the UFC & Belator whether fighters should even wear gloves. The logic being that when your hands are protected and cushioned it lessens the chance of breaking your hands and fingers and actually allows you to hit harder. So by removing gloves, although the sports would perhaps get more bloody and there would be more cosmetic injury, by removing gloves we would actually prevent things like CTE & brain trauma injuries which are far more serious. Also, the gloves in UFC and boxing are typically measured in ounces so not only are you cushioning your hand allowing you to hit harder but by wearing the gloves you’re actually propelling more mass at your opponent when throwing a punch. There’s huge evidence to suggest bare knuckle fighting would actually be safer, although it does have some stigma, and I think the logic behind it applies perfectly to the points you made in this video too.

[@LuxTheSlav]

The difference being that you can swing a sword just as hard (or harder) without gear on, so I don't see the relevance. There would be more injuries, accidental or otherwise.

[@BenjaminEmm]

Luka Pavlič Your argument seems to be that without the weight or inconvenience of the armour holding someone back, they will be able to swing much harder, which in a real life or death fight is absolutely correct. However, in a sparring season where it’s more about learning, testing each other and technique; the participants aren’t going to be swinging wildly as hard as they can and will be free to go at a pace that suits both of them. My point was, that there is absolutely scientific evidence to back up the points I mentioned and that perhaps there would be some crossover to this field, just like American football, rugby and UFC.

[@LuxTheSlav]

@@BenjaminEmm @Mr Entity It's a false relation. In boxing, the desire for more protection enabled a higher intensity and resulted in more injury. In HEMA, the higher intensity (required for executing the historical techniques properly, rather than approximating it) necessitated more protection. It's also completely unproven that the protection results in worse injuries, or more of them, in HEMA. Observations point to the polar opposite. In minimal gear, a minor slip-up can result in a bad injury, even at an appropriately lower intensity. In proper gear, you'd have to either have relatively horrible luck, or a completely psychopathic sparring partner to get seriously injured. Putting on the gear doesn't make us go berserk, because we don't aim to hurt each other, we aim to execute historical techniques.

[@MartinTraXAA]

Ben: Boxers hit their opponents with their *hands*. HEMA practitioners let the swords do that part, so your point is rather... pointless.

[@farmerboy916]

BenEmm No, you kind of have to do most techniques with some intent to hit the other person in order to make them work. Moreover, certainly what I study (Meyer) has the head/ chin as a primary target. Many of the techniques put the fingers and hand at risk even if you never mean to attack them (which we avoid). The only thing that makes sense (especially in the modern world where we're all amateurs practicing one day a week instead of constantly) is to not even do paired drills in anything less than mask and gloves (and cup)

[@Poohze01]

With respect (and tongue somewhat in cheek), I think your argument is *compromised* (hah!) by not clearly addressing that sparring, re-enactment and competition are different contexts (a blow for Matt Easton!), with different requirements. Sparring with sharp swords and no armour with a trusted colleague will teach one many useful things. Roland Warzecha does it in some of his videos. But I can't imagine any way of that being safe in a competitive or re-enactment scenario. And so on and so forth. I think your argument would be better served if you addressed the different needs of theses different scenarios. I'm not convinced less armour and more trust is really the solution for highly competitive contexts. Addendum: Thinking about it, perhaps drilling in pairs should be considered as a fourth scenario/context, with its own requirements for protection and trust...

[@farmerboy916]

Since this video, I went and joined a hema club and have had 7 or so months of practice with Meyer, and I have to say that at least in that context Lindy is hilariously wrong. The head/ chin area is a primary target, and the moves done put hands at risk even in relatively low speed noncompetitive drills. Working with others is basically mandatory mask, gloves, and cup, for good reason, and actually sparring requires a vest minimum for throat protection if nothing else. Moreover, I have to question the system he says was used in the beginning of the video, and the veracity of conclusions drawn from it; head hits not counting and not actually hitting each other in ways that _would_ harm if real sounds like ahistorical playfighting rather than _HEMA_

[@spicketspaghet7773]

@@farmerboy916 In agreeance with you here. Uh, 3 years later, but it seems Lindy's interpretation or even experience with HEMA is very limited when he posted this video. Honestly he sounds like he's never actually FOUGHT someone with a longsword yet. He obviously doesn't use the red dragon gloves for steel sparring, seeing as his hand still function. Also, the glove issue of losing dexterity is only a minor grievance. They're not useless. Has he ever been hit on the hand. Has he ever even sparred full speed yet? As for tournament fighting, hell, even the SPES heavies don't always provide enough protection against the hand. My club's co-instructor got his hand BROKEN during a tournament with longsword through his Spes gloves.

[@SignalJones]

Most of the armor is for free sparring/competition. Most directed sparring is done with gloves and masks only. Also nylon weapons is usually gloves and mask only too. The armor is for steel blade competition, where you don't know or trust your opponent. And free sparring, where you're intentionally doing highspeed full contact sparring.

[@Vesterpester]

Aw, I was hoping for a video about a modern armor that'd make a time traveler invulnerable on a medieval battlefield

[@nickspurdo5503]

Yes I believe it's called a tank

[@carterhickenlooper8784]

@@NoobNoobNews I feel slash/stab proof vests are not flexible enough for joints (the only place you would need them), but otherwise those are all some nice ideas. Aluminum vs. stainless steels. I don't know too much about modern alloys but I'm sure there a strong non tarnishing metal that'd be great, maybe a titanium alloy. You probably don't want to laminate your metals, it adds weight without increasing the protection to the fullest. The same weight added to the thickness of a single sheet can increased it's protection exponentially. "compared to knots"? Isn't most armour buckled? I don't know how you would zip up amour without sacrificing protection but honestly never seen it done so I don't know. Really if you want full protection on a medieval battle field, barring a tank or numbers, it's going to be hard to beat King Henry the VIII's full body armour, articulated with metal in the joints including armpits, except maybe to make it out of modern metals. But as for comfort and battlefield usefulness, improved armour with inside screens, hearing, radios, oxygen and cooling sounds like the best improvements you could make.

[@DevilsAdvocateofnazareth]

The best modern armour for a medieval battlefield would likely be a modern interpretation of medieval armour utilising modern materials. I'm fairly sure the only way to get that would be custom.

[@DevilsAdvocateofnazareth]

Oh, or a Gundam

[@willythemailboy2]

@@DevilsAdvocateofnazareth Chain mail made of spring steel, for instance, with each link individually welded instead of riveted.

[@krispalermo8133]

" cough, cough, cough," stander wielding gloves with card board and duck tape for extra protection on the back of fist and wrist. Also the wielding gloves provide better grip on the weapon. And the gloves take some of the impact shock that travels down the weapon into the hand.

[@GreenEnergy007]

The biggest point made is the difference between sparring with someone you trust and wouldn't want to hurt, versus someone you don't trust and would be fine hurting. Sparring with your teammates, you trust them and don't want them to be injured. However, once you are at a really competitive level, it is a common term of encouragement to tell each other to "get out there and hurt someone." (not in all sports of course, but many that I played growing up)

[@gerwantofrivera3725]

>However, once you are at a really competitive level, it is a common term of encouragement to tell each other to "get out there and hurt someone." But you have to remember that this "hurting" was to be done within the rules of the game. I was quite good at that when I was teenager :D

[@michelguevara151]

I used that when playing chess competitively, and go, obviously..

[@khodexus4963]

Lol, I was thinking "compromise would be a good word to finish that sentence" just a moment before you said the word "compromise", then were a little flustered that you'd used the word. I love that you used it. And love that you turned it into a joke. Keep up the great work.

[@howdoilogin]

Guy walked up to me with a knife and demanding my wallet. I told him I trust him. He stabbed me anyway. 0/10 Trust confirmed useless.

[@markschmitz5038]

Maybe he thought you were paying him to stab you.

[@tetsuoswrath]

Should have gave him an ass whooping instead of your wallet. :{

[@brittoncooke1890]

This is a good point and I am glad you made this video. My experience has been that more armor and the desire to win surpassing a desire to protect your opponent has led to an unacceptable level of injuries in HEMA tournament competition. A second point is that the restriction to movement and the sense of 'safety' from wearing armor has resulted in a fighting style that bears little resemblance to the historical record of blosfecten or unarmored technique that 95% of the HEMA community is basing its resurgence on. Once you put the armor on, the Lichtenauer zetel goes out the window. Well done and thank you.

[@LawkzBro]

while i agree with you, i do think that if you want to train to whack people in the head and hands, you pretty much need to wear armor.

[@alvarorodriguez1592]

Yes and better learn to control how you whack people in the head and hands. If you don’t control your force your opponent will profit from it. So, train so that your partners could feel comfortable training with you armorless.

[@TheLiamis]

Great video sir. Huge Matt Easton fan also. His double entendres are legendary.

[@Pecogo1]

0:00 When your mommy takes your chicken nuggies away

[@rayray2glocks]

LMAO!!!

[@Alphae21]

@@rayray2glocks LMAO!!!

[@MrJHDK]

I always enjoy the enthusiasm :) there are big differences in items under the "plastic" heading. Nylon, glass / carbon fibre reinforced plastic are great. But there are some very cheap plastics around which you would not want to be using as protection

[@РокиВуловић-з2в]

Celts didn't need any armour, they fought naked and so should we.

[@Stayawhileandlistentothis]

I agree, whenever someone fights who hasn't stripped naked beforehand with the intention of furious fighting whilst naked, it is shameful and cowardly.

[@paulc245]

not pretty.... me that would be...

[@vulkanofnocturne]

Like Gerneral ButtNaked

[@celtofcanaanesurix2245]

Actually there’s some evidence that they weren’t literally naked but rather “naked” of armor, and had normal clothes on

[@celtofcanaanesurix2245]

Not only that but many upper class celts had mail and helmets

[@erikfarkas7868]

I mean the thing is, if you want to go to a tournament, there do need to be some safety standards. I would definitely rather have a quick zip up for a whole day tournament. That is, if you don't want to compete, you're free to do what you want. But nobody can expect someone being careful about how they will hit their opponent in a tournament, it would be quite unfair.

[@bernhardknabl4587]

"I digress..." -Lindy 2018

[@jolonghthong]

And 2019, 2020, 2021 lol

[@julianb188]

I'm sure nobody will read this nor care but I'll be damned if I didn't mention that a fencing jacket also has the advantage of making all those long bits of metal flying at your chest hurt a great deal less, because speaking from experience those things can pack a hell of a punch (especially an epee) and if you're competing nowadays the tips aren't actually rounded, they have flat metal buttons on the end that can put the force of a man lunging his whole body at you into a rather small and hard surface area that has a tendency to leave bruises if you're unprotected. And I've never experienced this but I'm sure you could hurt someone's rib if they weren't wearing a jacket and you were fighting them seriously.

[@rasmizielund4848]

Foils can hurt, I can't imagine azn Épée.

[@grewdpastor]

This all can hurt. I know from experience, too. Besides certain "whacks" with a sabre can hurt as well. Once I fought sabre with a former member of the KNIL (Royal Dutch Indian Army): he used his sabre like a klewang ... After I had hit him I moved away from this man as fast as I could to avoid his swing.

[@andreas4417]

"I digress" Not a problem, that is why I am here. :)

[@proonguice8386]

Black sharpie marker over red Dragon and metallic iron/silver/bronze Rustoleum spray paint the plastic. Scuff with steel wool. Boom...old.

[@nseven1117]

you all heard the man! everyone! put on some bikini armor! we're are doing some HEMA tonight!

[@FrozenFingers]

Let me give you some advice on how to get every protector to stays in its place. It is called tape. Simple package tape. You wrap it a couple of times around the protector on your body in the desired position and if you did it right it will stay there. May not look good but nearly every ice hockey player in the world has done this or is doing this to keep the protectors in place.

[@PeteofHartainia]

Incidentally, I've had a fencing foil break on me.

[@sejembalm]

Back in junior high school, my friends and I graduated from wooden swords to swords made from hammering steel pipes flat (aluminum pipes were easier to flatten, but would fold up and bend too much) with a hand's length left round and unflattened at one end. That was the handle and a piece of bicycle inner tube rubber was wrapped around and attached with duct tape to the handle. The tip of the sword was made with a hacksaw and filed smooth and rounded so it wouldn't actually cut. Looked like a Roman gladius. We made shields by nailing leather straps to the inside of plywood pieces (rectangular or round). Wrapping your hands in socks or wearing thick welder's gloves are a must as knuckles got hit often.

[@swedishviking4086]

”You know swords, axes and spears and all that you know” I’m intrigued!!

[@ericdebernardi2291]

Glad you enjoyed my show! Hope to see you again next year at Stamford Bridge ;

[@benjaminb4056]

Youre meant to have motocross boots over the leg armour which would hold them up.

[@fish4225]

Oh yeah sure lemme just get my motocross boots to wear at my medieval sword fighting society.

[@Novur]

@@fish4225 Dude they're made for motorcross riding, not HEMA. You can't criticize something for not being well designed for something it wasn't designed for to begin with

[@fish4225]

@@Novur That's not what I was poking fun at in my comment, it was rather the implied suggestion that you should be wearing boots with that leg armour even though you're doing something different.

[@Nikarus2370]

@@fish4225 I mean... all my gear that I use in HEMA is sold as motocross/motorcycling gear. Shit's cheap, offers superb protection when worn properly, and at least for my stuff, extremely well articulated. There's a lot of people who are snobbish about how they dislike the look... I tell them to get over it. Only thing heavily modified is the helmet, which is a motorcycle one, but has a steel mesh in place of the glass. I've got some more "what the HEMA people say you should wear" gear over the years. But a lot of it offers shit protection for the sake of "looking good" and being cumbersome to use.

[@fish4225]

@@Nikarus2370 cool

[@bashkillszombies]

I snapped a foil in my opponents back when he turned and walked off in a tantrum whilst the bout was still active at the NSW State Plate (which I won) in 1995 (and every year thereafter mind) and his lamè stopped the sharpened ends follow through quite well. Unfortunately.

[@fsmoura]

7:50 _"350 newtons"_ Oh, God, no, more metric! ( oДo)

[@kanucks9]

What gets me about Newton ratings is that their meaning is an abstraction. What is being defended is pressure, not force, and I have no idea what standard point is used to test the equipment!

[@schreckpmc]

Is that newtons per square centimeter or newtons per square meter? There's a BIG difference.

[@SuperSmith]

schreckpmc it's just Newtons, which is the SI measure of force. The area is irrelevant since it's not a measure of pressure (which would be pascals or N/m^2). If I push a rapier with 320 Newtons of force, it shouldn't penetrate. If I push a longsword at the same force, it won't penetrate. Only if you're using a needle to go through the individual fibers of the cloth will it matter. But a lot jackets also have plastic inserts which would prevent such a thing from mattering.

[@him050]

You’re point at the end is so true. It’s the same with driving, making cars really safe means people drive faster and have worse accidents. Attach a spike to the stirring wheel that comes to within one inch of your chest and people won’t go over 20. Just gotta find that middle ground!

[@zakremmington6297]

Personally I will go for protection over style, though I would like HEMA kit to look more historical although I also don't like the idea of deciding whats ''proper'' to wear. I know some people like the look of modern kit and I wouldn't want to tell them it's not right to wear it, to me that has an air of elitism that I don't want to see in HEMA With regards to everyone in HEMA wearing black I think it's to differentiate our self's from sport fencing.

[@carterhickenlooper8784]

The historic stuff is more protective, if you can afford it of course. :P Unfortunately it's hard to mass produce, especially to fit everyone's body right.

[@zakremmington6297]

@@carterhickenlooper8784 I don't think the historical stuff is more protective, especially with regards to hand protection metal gauntlets aren't very good at stopping blunt force. but unfortunately you are right, it's pricey to get good gear. Hopefully that changes as HEMA becomes more popular and more manufacturers get involved.

[@carterhickenlooper8784]

@@zakremmington6297 I remember once I tried to make my own metal gauntlet just from imagination. I was fairly proud of it until I saw medieval gothic gauntlets. They where better in literally every way than mine. More coverage, better mobility, less gaping, more elegant, more conformable, easier to grip with, better and thicker steel, easier to replace the gloves, and better incorporation into the rest of armour. So now I'm trying to learn what I can from their armour when designing my own. I don't need to and probably never could reinvent the quality of that armour by myself. As far as blunt force goes I wonder if it matters in the hands. A metal gauntlet should ideally distribute the force along the overlapping plates, thus letting the whole hand absorb the blow instead of a single finger bone.

[@LuxTheSlav]

@@carterhickenlooper8784 While historical gauntlets are amazing, they're designed to stop bits of you from being cut off. The plates do somewhat distribute the force, but they have to be articulated, so it can happen that the force distributes into only a single plate, which then pushes straight into the hand because of the lack of padding, which is still pretty risky. You won't die or lose bits, which was once good enough, we have day jobs though. It's worse protection, comparable mobility (if you have good gloves that actually fit you, which Lloyd doesn't seem to) and usually much steeper price, longer wait times, etc.

[@FactoryofRedstone]

@@LuxTheSlav Maybe the protection is not as good as in some modern designs, but they should give you a bit more movement and a smaller size for the same amount of protection. You could make modern armor the same way, but I think the inclusion of metal in the design gives you good protection for a small form factor and good articulation.

[@qwertyuiopaaaaaaa7]

19:29 That is why, when not wearing a mask, if a blade is pointed towards you, you MUST co trip that blade point. When showing drills without a mask my instructor would always hold the sword point as the drill was done.

[@jurajlach7901]

I have the SPES gloves for over 4 years. I got used to them and they are the best protection you can get for tournaments. I can do most techniques with them i think this is due to loosening them up. My thumb is not overlapping on them maybe i have smaller ones?

[@schwertschwinger]

My is not overlapping, too. I think he has realy big hands, because I have small hands and use the big size of the gloves. So the glove is completly around my hand.

[@voswouter87]

Red Dragon is a super cool name to me and compatible with the medieval setting. So it wouldn't bother me. Maybe you should make equipment specifically for HEMA?

[@MedievalGenie]

In terms of how safety's assumed from less armour and therefore people being more careful: STRONGLY DISAGREE. I'm fairly happy with people I've known for years at the local club and we could possibly even play around with sharp weapons in slow or restricted sparring, but strangers are a whole different ball game. I once went to a blunt nylon longsword tournament that didn't have the highest of stakes and no cash prize, permanent titles or anything like that, requiring only a mask and light gloves for protection. This one strong guy was getting so frustrated at me clearly defeating him (even worse when I lost to nearly everybody else in the pools highlighting his abysmal technique further) that he went truly hell for leather and swung with every ounce of strength he could muster each and every time. This made him predictable and he still lost, but in the meantime I received this one hit that luckily was partially parried and hit at a poor angle on my forearm, but if he connected properly I believe I would have suffered a broken arm. I learnt two things that day. Firstly stay away from that f***ing guy because he is a terrible loser, but secondly that I should always armour when sparring strangers.

[@eddard9442]

Medieval Genie agreed, you cant trust strangers hitting you, people just dont care if they hurt you so you must armor up, i have experienced this in reenactment melee.

[@MedievalGenie]

Yay, the Metatron responded as well!

[@myparceltape1169]

Shinpads can be made by sewing vertical strips of thin flat wood between two layers of cloth. Fix them by hanging them from your waist via cords on each side of the thigh. Create thigh guards similarly.

[@matthewhajicek3650]

I like that particular gambeson / fencing jacket. Where did you get it?

[@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis]

I want to know that too

[@roycspary8923]

as a motorcyclist I can tell you what went wrong. knee braces are intended to be combined with boots, to which they attach, which keeps them in position, not that you would like the look of motorcros boots but I have faith in your ability to improvise a modification with your preferred boots

[@harrisonmcguire4235]

It's a nice looking jacket at least

[@euansmith3699]

I think that the most dangerous thing that happened when I was in the Vike (The Norse Film & Pageant Society) back in the 80s, was someone falling in to a stream and getting trapped under their shield. Fortunately someone spotted them and helped them pull the shield free against the press of the water. The worst injury I got was falling in to a camp fire while drunk (Surface burns to one of my hands).

[@benderrodriquez]

KZbin's algorithm decided to place an cosmetics ad on this video for me. Either I am not the typical demographic for Loyd's videos or some programmer at Google needs to be fired.

[@Vincer]

You definetly don`t understand looks and style, if you did you would realize how fencing jackets are timeless fashion itens (that also go well with make-up). Of course only when not wearing fencing masks.

[@adm0iii]

For looks that can kill, the latest in war paint...

[@londiniumarmoury7037]

I tried to model all my HEMA armour after a natural older look, my gambeson is beige and my pads are military khaki colour, except my forearm guards they are black and yellow for club colour identification. Get yourself an old leon paul mask, they have a gap at the top of the head, so there is about an inch of play before the mask hits your head.

[@torysaccount5753]

„Head hits didn't count so you could not win the fight by hitting him on the head“ Well, it depends on HOW you hit him on the head...

[@kmarchery]

Business has responded to demand generated by people doing crazy things like this . Businesses usually started by Hema enthusiasts. Or so goes my theory. So interest in bashing in each other leads to better protection.

[@madichelp0]

It doesn't matter how much control you have over your sword, you still can't predict exactly how your opponent will move.

[@jatelitherius9842]

I would argue that it still does matter, even given that you can’t predict your opponent’s movement If they move somewhere you didn’t expect, with good control you may be able to pull a blow which might injure them

[@umartdagnir]

If you lift the middle piece of the wrist protection on the Red Dragon gloves and sew it to the side pieces, it will stay fixed in a "hourglass" shape and will not restrict the motion so much.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

Gloves and steel skull caps, guess pants were optional in Arthurian times 😆

[@blackdeath4eternity]

they are optional in all times, its just certain people in fancy cars with flashing lights tend to frown upon it quite allot.

[@MisdirectedSasha]

Lol nobody wore trousers in the middle ages.

[@Entiox]

Good points about American football. My high school had a rugby team as well as a football team and I knew several people who played both sports. They all said that they suffered more minor cuts, scrapes and small bruises while playing rugby, but the injuries while playing football were much more severe. Several said that if they hit in rugby without the pads the same way they hit in football with the pads someone would likely be killed in most every game.

[@jackdunne6152]

I remember how proud I was the day my daughter broke my glasses during a sword fight.

[@bansheemopar]

The problem with the greaves not staying up can be mostly solved by crossing the upper two straps. Then both overlap at the back of your knee, where is a lot less movement of the straps and you have them tighter there and your leg gets thicker below the knee. The ones in our group using them use this method since years and it works a lot better.

[@zizkazenit7885]

Lloyd: Trust and control are the most important things to safety! Also Lloyd: I once stabbed a guy in the face because *I didn't notice that he wasn't wearing a fencing mask*

[@MrSchrootenstein]

I kind of don't see the point about complaining about kit that was intended to be used for something entirely different and in combination with other gear to work properly. In this case the leg protection which is intended to be used with matching boots.

[@sirmuffincat6630]

I think your argument is ridiculous. Accidents happen, wear the adequate protective equipment no matter what. Learn how to function in the equipment you wear as well... Blood & Iron has the SPES Heavies as their standard glove and they perform just fine with them on. Additionally, nobody who is perfectly sane is trying to hurt others just because they're wearing armour. People take the sport seriously, and therefore strikes must be authentic or else they're not learning anything real (and the strike won't count if it doesn't appear like it would be damaging.) Also look at Buhurt and its participants. They think it's insulting if you don't give it your all with every strike. It shows that you do not respect your opponent(s) and that you are too afraid of hurting someone that you will not be fighting with spirit. Injuries occur but everyone is aware of that when they join in. TL:DR - Always wear armour, learn how to overcome its hindrances and remember that many people are expecting to be hit hard because that's part of the sport... -your control has nothing to do with it- Your ability to 'control' yourself and your weapon is unreliable and unsafe to those around you. EDIT: I meant to specify that the protective equipment you wear offer the appropriate level of protection by adding that it be adequate. So for instance if you really want to spar with the medieval longsword, you'd best be using those SPES heavies or something that offers similar protection no matter how little movement you get out of your hands with them. Safety is not a thing to be trifled with simply because you're not used to the lack of mobility yet. Use it or stop participating.

[@martinlarsson8947]

SirMuffinCat perhaps you should try to understand the argument before calling it risiculous, assuming yu haven’t grossly misrepresented it in an attempt to undermine it.

[@sirmuffincat6630]

@@martinlarsson8947 do you understand it?

[@sassyjay100]

Yeah so your attitude clearly shows you are not somebody I would want to spar with, which I dont mean as an insult, as your objective in fighting is different to mine. If full force/full competitive fighting is what you desire, you can do that with people who want that. I dont think it makes Lindy's argument ridiculous as he was referring in his examples to renactment as well as H.E.M.A. I think one can practice H.E.M.A using less protection, obviously wear something but not as heavy duty, if your H.EM.A instructor or group have a different goal in mind. Furthermore I think you are conflating some of his points. With regards to heavier armour/protection I understood his argument as the knowledge that when people have extra padded protection/armour then over time they can become more careless in renactment. He isn't saying that people in full armour or thorough protection are intentionally trying to hurt one another, just an indirect result of the knowledge that people are wearing amour over time makes people less careful. The other point was full competition will be an enviroment where people will be more likely to injure themselves, as you said accidents happen, it is in this situation that I see your point and as such you do need to wear throrough protection, but you still need some control, I mean you are practicing a martial art and aiming your weapon and so forth, not trying to chuck it at the opponent and risk injuring yourself or them. That last sentence sounds ridiculous but in my defence it is in response to this "... many people are expecting to be hit hard because that's part of the sport...your control has nothing to do with it" the last bit about your control has nothing to do with it makes little sense. Do you mean "this is a factor that you cannot control?" as that would make a lot more sense. I need to try those SPES heavies, I would wear them if I could because I like the look of the protection but if you can't handle your own sword well with them then you are "trifling" with safety by using them. By the sounds of it you are used to using them so I would want a go at handling them but Lindy's demonstration in the video makes them look really unwieldy.

[@LuxTheSlav]

@@sassyjay100 This kit isn't made for reenactment, it's made for full contact sparring. One is not the other, and criticising one from the view of the other is, frankly, pointless. In full contact sparring, nobody is reasonably expecting anyone to pull blows for anyone's benefit, that's what the gear is there for. We're not trying to hurt each other _through_ the equipment, we're trying to hit each other.

[@sirmuffincat6630]

@@sassyjay100 Reading that back, I did most definitely fuck up that last statement (and will be editing it.) What I should have said was more along the lines of "you should be more than willing to sacrifice the finer movements of the unrestricted hands for the protection that heavier gauntlets offer." In addition, however, nobody should be relying solely on a fencer's ability to control their weapon as that is incredibly unreliable and unsafe... in actual HEMA at the very least. In the circumstances of a rehearsed act, maybe it would be okay. But again in a reenactment I would argue that you should be doing everything you can to ensure safety is maximized because you are literally swinging around weapons... so wear functional armour, please! I just think the notion of "I'm comfortable and in control of my weapon therefore my opponent is completely safe" is a reckless idea that would just lead to more injuries.

[@dorrisgonnawreckyou7111]

Wow you do a suprisingly good job of looking sinister at the start lol