Modern Classics Summarized: A Christmas Carol

[@jamescornell5297]

The past, present, and future walk into a bar. It was a tense Christmas.

[@Cottonmouth255]

*applause*

[@jamescornell5297]

I’ll be here all night!

[@horseenthusiast1250]

Thank you for your wonderful joke

[@cookiesister3309]

xD Wow..That was funny!

[@zoculus2669]

You are an amazing person. Thank you

[@bluelfsuma]

Ah, "A Christmas Carol". Or, as most people know it, "What every poor person wishes would happen to rich people."

[@Bloodlyshiva]

True. Of course, there'd be people who'd do it ANYWAY, but god-damm it it might make some of them actually self-correct and we'd all be better off for that.

[@OctopodTerritory]

wish i could like ur comment twice, just bc of the painter mk pfp

[@Theuglymug]

@@Bloodlyshiva hey, I was just on a different video that you were a commenter on... small world. Anyway

[@somerandomschmuck2547]

@@Bloodlyshiva I mean if I understand how ghost in the story work, if they don't self correct they'd start dropping like flies, which arguably would help as well

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

My family's rich and *I* wish this would happen to rich people."

[@lightlytoastedtoast]

"He is going to be visited by" *accidentally clicks another video* "Edgar Allan Poe"

[@sofiacapella]

ho no! the worst of all ghosts! the ghost of texts with infinite commas and stories impossible to read aloud! D:

[@random-_-dude]

Funny thing, Edgar Allan Poe was actually a good friend of Dickens for quite a while. Not only that but one day Edgar Allan Poe visited Charles Dickens's house and found out fast two things. 1: The Raven would bite peoples ankles. 2: This bird could speak. After a little bit of grip sitting and inspiration from one of Dickens's books where he mentioned the raven, Poe wrote the book. However Dickens and Poe were friends for only a while and soon they did not talk. But the stuffed corpse of grip is on display at the Baltimore Edgar Allen Poe memorial. Not only that but Poe got his own football team................. thats cool I guess.

[@DrFunkman]

“Tell me I can change my way, Spirit!” “Nevermore”

[@random-_-dude]

@Axiom Steel26 Indeed

[@Grim_Sister]

That’s even scarier than the three ghosts thing

[@masterofmythology]

"Whose lonely grave is this?" "Why yours, Ebenezer. The richest man in the cemetery!"

[@requiembeeblebroxx]

Yes! I can still hear that dialogue in my head, even though I haven't watched that version in over a decade.

[@pridelander06]

"I'll change! I'll chaaaaaange!"

[@pridelander06]

@Deirvin Davis Mickey's Christmas Carol

[@aufishsd1445]

All I could imagine was the MegaMan fangame.

[@KRJayster]

Okay, that version is pretty good for how tight it is, and that line delivery and the IMMEDIATE shift into terrifying hellscape actually works.

[@AmouxJohnsonakagreencat3331]

"Scrooge reads the room and asks if Tiny Tim is gonna live and the ghost is like NOPE" Lines like this are why I love this channel

[@ForrestFox626]

Red is hilarious!

[@rachelguderjahn2231]

I just about spewed hot cocoa out my nose!

[@videogollumer]

@@rachelguderjahn2231 Ouch!

[@nightstrike90]

If he is to die, then let him do it! And decrease the Surplus Population!

[@michellelopez2170]

My sister: That's so- Me, for some reason: Dying of laugher

[@igive1005]

I love how the symbol of “Disney” is blended to also look like a Lovecraft monster/nightmare lol

[@nepinemi8885]

They are worse than lovecraftian beasts

[@ireallyneedtherapy1126]

Let’s see: Absorb others around it Is enormous in size Causes strong emotions in those who know of it It’s name is synonymous with infamous in a certain context Yep, it fits

[@Alusnovalotus]

Same exact type of person. Except one was successful.

[@tyler-xo3rb]

yeah that was the joke

[@catherineblack2438]

Wait, you mean it isn't?

[@PRGME7]

Here’s an analysis: Marley did good and helped humanity by warning Scrooge.

[@christiannicholas]

I've read two novels which tell the story from Marley's point of view, and according to both, he was redeemed because of what he did for scrooge.

[@PRGME7]

Christian Nicholas huh, guess I’m not the first one to think of this. Thanks for letting me know that these exist!

[@markusallen102]

That’s cool

[@WraythSkitzofrenik]

Did anyone every warn Marley?

[@rodrigogarcia-padilla6342]

@@WraythSkitzofrenik I don't think Marley had anyone to warn him, which could be part of the reason why he warned his friend Scrooge.

[@keirgomcginlay2044]

I sometimes wonder about Jacob Marley. 'The dead cannot improve their lot as only the living can help each other'. By these rules he has NOTHING to gain from helping Scrooge, and in fact, should believe he CANNOT help Scrooge. But he still invests in doing so. I often wonder if he was under a secret test of character. Given this one chance to speak and he spends it all trying to help the closest he had to a friend with no thought of improving his own lot. Anyway, I know I'm watching this a year late but... thank you. I really needed this given the state of the world right now and Christmas Carol holds a special place for me, so just listening to you go through it and talk about it was a real heart warmer. Merry Christmas.

[@NecroCritic]

There's actually a book/play that goes into this, "Jacob Marley's Christmas Carol". Basically, Marley is in Hell, and his only shot at escaping is to orchestrate Scrooge's redemption. Hilarity ensues.

[@keirgomcginlay2044]

@@NecroCritic I can get behind that. Though I feel it loses the sincerity of any chance of redemption being a secret test. ie: That Jacob goes through with trying to help Scrooge sincerely believing that he himself cannot be saved. That his efforts, his pleading on Scrooge's behalf, and the intervension are done alturistically. His investment is in helping Scrooge, not himself. Yet doing so also seems him redeemed and saved entirely because it was all for another.

[@NecroCritic]

@@keirgomcginlay2044 Yes and no. It's been a long time since I've seen the play, so I'm a little fuzzy on the details. But from what I remember: At the beginning, he's selfish and only helping Scrooge out to save himself. So he contracts three spirits from Hell to pose as the Ghosts of Christmas Past/Present/Future, and orchestrates Scrooge's redmption. All goes according to plan for the first two, but the third guy never showed up. So instead of the Ghost of Christmas Future being a damned spirit disguised as Death, it's the actual Grim Freakin' Reaper himself come to claim Scrooge. By that point, Marley was sincerely wanting to see his old friend redeem himself, so he has to figure out a way to save him before it's too late. So it serves as a retelling of the story from a different perspective as well as Marley's own personal redemption arc.

[@bradleyogilvie8869]

I think the BBC special had this as part of its set up.

[@AlexMartinez-gv7hy]

Merry Christmas and cool theory

[@Fubukio]

"He's afraid of the world and uses money to protect himself from it.' RIP H.P. Lovecraft.

[@loone3100]

Minus the money of course

[@Fubukio]

@@loone3100 I said "RIP H.P. Lovecraft." is because both him and Scrooge are afraid of the world, but only Scrooge can protect himself with money while Lovecraft got no money to protect himself.

[@greywalker505]

...He may have been a racist, but damn, now I feel really bad for him.

[@Figs3]

@@greywalker505 never pity a racist.

[@Reaperschest]

@@keniahstaine9096 true, but H. P. Was extreme even for his days

[@SnowFox-gv2rn]

Scrooge: “Will Tim live?” Ghost of Christmas Present: “NOPE!” I know that was a morbid part, but the way that she said it was hilarious

[@clay530]

SnowFox 2074 NUUUP

[@pwnorbepwned]

6:55

[@franceswildgen1907]

pwnorbepwned thanks you :3

[@gloryblackjack584]

KIDS DEAD YO

[@woodencoyote4372]

I'm always disappointed that the scene of the poor debtor family never makes it into adaptations, because that really hammers home the point that the single most good Scrooge could do in the world, if he doesn't change his ways, is just to drop dead. It's also a fair representation of the poor family - we don't know why or how they came into debt, but there's no implication that the children are uncare for, that the mother is wasteful spender, that the father is a drunk or a gambler, or any of the other faults that get attached to the struggling as an excuse for not giving them aid. All we know is they're trying to pay what they owe, and they just need Scrooge to give them time to do so. Which it's implied he could easily do, since it's as easy as dropping dead.

[@jessicaable5095]

Again, like with the present ghost's little bit of anger toward the church, Disney's latest adaptation covers the debting family as well

[@rickpgriffin]

My favorite adaptation (the 1970 musical) does something a bit different with the scene and it's probably the reason I like it the best; early on, as scrooge is going home there's a sequence of him going to business owners who owe him money, but they can't pay until after Christmas so he gives them extra time but at a ridiculous interest rate that they can just barely pay. So when we get to the future scene, the broth stand owner basically becomes an announcer before a crowd that's gathered at Scrooge's place to cheer his death and Scrooge misses this AND the coffin being dragged out to the song "Thank You Very Much" and it's amazing. It has the side effect of making a large initial chunk of the Future ghost cheerful though, so they supplement it by instead having a sequence AFTER the grave scene of Scrooge In Hell and it's ridiculous and kinda hilarious. Anyway, "Thank You Very Much" also gets reprised for the ending when Scrooge forgives everyone's debts so there ends up being an actual connection to more characters than JUST Cratchet

[@MysteriousMose]

The George C. Scott version has it in. Oddly the Alistair Sims 50s version adds a setup scene for it but removes the post-death scene.

[@SantomPh]

@@rickpgriffin a lot of modern (read: China) audiences don't get these themes.

[@whovianhistorybuff]

@@jessicaable5095 I think that's the mr Appleby guy at the start with the sick daughter saying he's the stone you can't squeeze blood from isn't it, although they don't show their reaction to scrooge's death.

[@OmegaHulk2010]

"Whose grave is this?" *Light's Match Revealing the name Ebenezer Scrooge* "Why it's Yours Ebenezer , the RICHEST Man in the Cemetery!"

[@AegixDrakan]

Pete's just like "I have 1 line in this damn movie, you're goddamn right I'm gonna ham that one line up even harder than usual!"

[@Castor586]

I love the story behind how Dickins supposedly came up with "A Christmas Carol" Supposedly he was exploring a cemetery as Christmas drew near, and stumbled across the names 'Ebenezer' and 'Scrooge.' I'm not sure if it was the name of a single person, or two names on separate stones... As the story goes, he pondered at the type of person a man named Ebenezer Scrooge must have been before settling on the crotchety old miser. When he returned home, he already had the rough draft of his new story in mind

[@SuperSongbird21]

I've heard that story too - seems Dickens spotted the grave of a guy named "Ebenezer Scroogie" and it was engraved on the stone that this guy had been a 'meal man' (he sold porridge basically) and Dickens initially misread that as 'mean man', prompting him to consider what kind of dickwad you'd have to be to have that on your tombstone. Some say Dickens just made this up to have a cool answer when his fans asked him where his ideas came from, but it's still cool.

[@Lemuel928]

Dang,he has seen the dark age of the Christmas Future.

[@rain596]

he rly vibe checked some dead dude and wrote a book about it

[@JaelinBezel]

I mean Barry Allen was named after two separate talk show hosts that had nothing to do with each other and Alan Scott, the original Green Lantern, was just two names out of a phonebook.

@Cody Hines And Eleanor rigby was named after an actor and a shop in Bristol and creepily also happened to be a name on a random tombstone in the cemetery by the liverpool church where Paul and John met

[@floraf01]

Fun fact: people's mouths are often open after death because the muscles keeping them shut no longer work. Tying a scarf around the corpse's head is one way to keep their mouth closed (modern funeral homes usually sew or staple the mouth shut from the inside, so i've read). This is probably why Marley's jaw "falls off" after untying the scarf.

[@beholdnonsense5100]

The fact Dickens did take criticism into account and improved his writing is in fact a very nice thing to know. Thank you for mentioning that.

[@ButterflyScarlet]

@@poshboy4749 It's less about being woke and more about the fact that he was still willing to take actual criticism. Fagin was bad but he realised that and took steps to rectify it. People seem to forget that activism isn't about being perfect, it's about trying. Recognizing when you failed and doing your best to not fail again. Saying "that's just how it was back then" just allows for stagnation and allows people who write historical tales to cherry pick as they like under the guise of "historical accuracy".

[@sunspotmill1291]

Yeah, I found it to be a very fun fact!

[@theproplady]

Environment shapes both psychology and the perception of how people used to think in the past. Attitudes which many people now think are outdated might come into fashion again, if scarcity/catastrophe ever hit the world on a large scale. It's a mistake to think that people are always going to think the way they think now because the world (and resource levels) are always changing. Who knows how crazy the people of the future will think we are now?

[@poshboy4749]

@@ButterflyScarlet But he did fail though, by today’s standards Fagan is a racist caricature that demonises Jews. It goes further then that though - where is Dickens’ gay or feminist representation? I think here’s a misunderstanding of what ‘fair for it’s day means’. It’s not about excusing modern behaviour,it’s allowing us to understand and compartmentalise ( maybe that’s what you mean by cherry-pick, I’m not sure?) historical figures and thus we appreciate, say Aristotle for his achievements without totally dismissing him because, “Well he owned slaves he must have been a complete monster.” It is accepting that morality has not remained stagnant throughout history and that we shouldn’t retroactively apply current morals to the past and label people evil for it. Being able to categorise the moral standard of the time not only allows us to accept historical figures but even identify the ones who were actually nasty. For instance Cecil Rhodes was not a man of his time and his views and conservatism were criticised widely. Dickens should definitely be praised for his ability to take criticism and willingness to change stories to accommodate a wider audience, but he was stilla man of his time, his views (even his proggressive ones) have aged badly and been replaced by even more progressive views. No doubt the views of today’s progressives be denigrated as conservative insensitive rubbish by future generations as well.

[@ButterflyScarlet]

@@poshboy4749 Yeah I know, I never said he was perfect, I said he tried and that's pretty good to know because humans are always working to better themselves. As @CM Beadle mentioned, even at the height of eugenics and "science supported" racism or religiously forced homophobia, there were always detractors. People who looked at it and thought "that......that doesn't seem right......." Dickens's works focused on the seedy underbelly of society and he had good female characters. I know the modern interpretation of a strong female character is usually "woman who punches things" but that erases a chunk of actual personality. There are numerous ways to be strong. Nancy from Oliver Twist chooses to save Oliver despite being in love with the man involved in taking him Estella from Great Expectations is a very flawed but very real person with her own ambitions and motivations Biddy also from Great Expectations is a kind, hardworking, self-educated woman who wants to get married and have children. And that's okay! Women can aspire to be homemakers as long as it is *_their_* choice Also Idk what happened but I don't think you finished the last point. I just mean that when people use the term "that's how it was back then" they usually use it in relation to fictional works based on those time periods, cherry-picking the parts they like (often the sexism, sexual violence, actual violence, racism etc) without the parts they don't want to acknowledge (e.g. Spartan women actually had more rights than Athenians, Viking women were allowed to fight and could own property without a man, Scandinavia wasn't exclusively populated by blonde caucasians because they traded with other non-European countries, LGBT+ relationships existed and were allowed in many countries etc.) (In relation to the last point, look up Emperor Ai of Han. There is a story that once while taking a nap with his lover, he was awoken to go to a meeting. Upon seeing the peaceful beauty of his lover, he couldn't bring himself to wake him up and chose to cut the sleeve of his cloak to avoid waking him up, leading historians to coin the term " _the passion of the cut sleeve_ ". I thought it was cute and I wanted to share)

[@Nick94956]

"The multi-limbed eldritch monster known as the House of Mouse." As someone who has always loved Disney and even worked for them for a short time....yeah, that about sums it up.

[@Pollicina_db]

Wow I can’t believe no one made a comment yet, what exactly was your job at Disney?

[@noaedlund]

yeah, what was your position?@@Pollicina_db

[@femoman]

Disney: you love the product, you despise the corporation that makes them.

[@GuyThePerson]

@@femoman kinda like a much more evil Nintendo

[@connordillivan452]

“If I could do that, I’d never lose an argument again.” Excellent priorities.

[@rafaelalodio5116]

But it would be a pain in the ass to have loose jaw when you're eating.

[@MegCazalet]

Just a bit of context: in Britain, Christmas is traditionally a time for ghost stories. So A Christmas Carol is a perfectly appropriately spooky Christmas tale! In the popular holiday song “the Most Wonderful Time of the Year”, one lyric mentions “there’ll be scary ghost stories and tales of the glories of Christmases long, long ago.” I like the touch of the ghostly with my roasted 🌰 chestnuts!

[@CrazyGamerDragon64]

I had always wondered why that lyric about telling ghost stories was in "It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year", now it makes sense, thanks for clarifying that for me.

[@gothnerd887]

I wish we still did that

[@tattedlace2086]

I literally thought that line was just about A Christmas Carol.

[@Draiocht012]

"Does this sound like a biblical Angel to anyone else?" Literally the first thing I thought.

[@Grim_Sister]

Sounded like Ghost Rider to me

[@jasonports8517]

It’s a candle, people. The hat he pushes is one of those oldfashioned candle-stop things

[@TheEnigmaticKasai]

@@jasonports8517 Yeah. I mean, EVERYBODY knows that candles have a varying number of limbs and an indistinguishable silhouette!

[@ruththompson7816]

@@TheEnigmaticKasai Flickering flame?

[@aidennevada243]

Yes!

[@jessiada]

If I knew Dickens was a man who knew extreme poverty and systemic cruelty at a young age, somehow transformed his life from growing up a child laborer to an incredibly famous author, and then then used that position to fight against the things he suffered in life, I would've read his damn books. Someone with that fascinating a life story simply can't make works that are dull or uninspired.

[@DarkestElemental616]

It's not too late to start! I find that the classics are better tackled later in life anyway. :P

[@NatureRosa]

Have you read any now?

[@auzpayeur8229]

I went to a local production of Christmas Carol this year that opened with Marley’s ghost jumpscaring the audience, and if Christmas Carol needed anything to be improved it was absolutely that

[@noahjohnson5603]

Auz Payeur One I went to for years on end before the theatre closed had it all built up with the bells and the steps and then the ghost burst open the door and gave a huge wail. Super intense when I was a kid.

[@hogofthefuture]

Where are you from? That sounds like the local production in my city.

[@game_generation]

Dickens is the less edgier version of Edgar Allen Poe.

[@magnusprime962]

I want to say you’re wrong, but I can’t.

[@achanwahn]

Wait Poe the person, not the writings, right?

[@MaxEverywhereSystem]

You’re not wrong but it doesn’t mean you should say it

[@Bariom_dome]

He's writing always holds hope at the end.

[@stormcloudsabound]

he’s poe with a social conscience

[@noone-zt2xn]

Scrooge: will the child live?😞 Ghost 2: NOPE 😁

[@anonymousfellow8879]

no one “You don’t actually CARE about the boy, do you?” “Nope. Just dusty. Lots of dust. Whoever’s supposed to sweep in here needs to be fired!” “...sighs”

[@henriklarsen8193]

I read somewhere that Dickens used to invite poor people, especially children, to his house to just hang out, offering them some free food and even a slight pay. This was to learn how to write them as accurately as possible, since he at that point lived a very different life from them. However, he did it so much that the area near his house began to RUN OUT OF POOR PEOPLE, due to the money he offered them (and less spent on food by them, I guess), and they had to come from different parts of town to remain "authentic"!

[@johnmccrossan9376]

This is the best and most authentic Christmas thing ever if I get rich Im absolutely doing this

[@rubberducks4eva]

@@johnmccrossan9376 Well, are you rich yet?

[@dg3498]

“Hello, you there boy!” “Me Sir?” “Yes you my good fella! What day is it?” “Today...?” “It is Wednesday my dudes.”

[@alptigin5438]

"Why, it's International Talk Like a Pirate Day, Mr. Scrooge."

[@WraythSkitzofrenik]

Camel: Guess what DAAAYYY it is? People: It's Hump Day... Camel: WHAT WHAAAAAT?

[@nikkospelledlikethat8140]

“Wouldn’t you like to know, weatherboy?”

[@daman7805]

This comment shows it’s age

[@TalkingVidya]

I second Red on her (correct) opinion that the Muppet's version is the best one.

[@KingTurgon]

Agreed, with the Blackadder version being the second best.

My issue with this version is that they cut out "When Love is Gone" in later copies.

[@charliejones3272]

it's not an opinion if it's fact

[@kaitlyncrawford44]

Yep

[@JRCSalter]

It's not just the best version. It's the best Christmas movie. Period. But damn am I (and everyone on the internet) annoyed that you can't find the full version in any digital format. I had to copy the version I have, download the missing scene from KZbin, edit into the DVD, and export it just so I can watch it properly. Though even then, that means there's a drop in resolution during one of the best parts of the entire film, but until Disney get their act together and release the un-bastardised version (instead of spending millions of shot for shot remakes of Hamlet remakes), it'll have to do.

[@jerrinjoseph6374]

"From bad to worse to straight up silent hill" ~ Overly sarcastic prods

[@gothnerd887]

You know perhaps if Dickins got the idea for a town where your personal demons become real demons he would come up with something like Silent Hill oh wait that's more Edger Allen Poe's teritory

[@jerrinjoseph6374]

@@gothnerd887 Kinda sounds Lovecraft-y when you put it like that

[@lahlybird895]

Marley: The dead can't help the living. Also Marley: *says this while in a message to help Someone who's still living*

[@brigidtheirish]

Probably found a loophole.

[@lahlybird895]

@@brigidtheirish maybe

[@flapjackfae]

The closest we get to this information is Marley telling Scrooge that his one "chance and hope" (the ghosts) is of his procuring, but that he may not tell him how he was allowed to appear to him. Awful thought: Marley volunteered for some worse fate in return for Scrooge's spooky opportunity.

[@lahlybird895]

@@flapjackfae yikes *Cue the slashfic*

[@blazerheata6479]

@@lahlybird895 *hides face in shame* don't look at me,,,

[@mushimello779]

Most commonly used metaphors by Red: 1.) Put two and two together 2.) too good for this sinful world 3.) revealed himself/herself in all of his/her glory

[@KodasGarden]

More like idioms than metaphors

[@gothnerd887]

@@KodasGarden what's the difference?

[@KodasGarden]

@@gothnerd887 Idioms are common phrases. Metaphors make comparisons to two ideas to express the similarities between them and to create a better understanding for each idea.

[@kshitijsrivastava6440]

Also truly a victory for theforces of justice!

[@gothnerd887]

@@KodasGarden thank you

[@Casinizucchini]

I personally like the theory that Scrooge would have died that night like Marley. Which is why the ghosts came to give him a last chance to have a redeemed life.

[@teamcybr8375]

It seems unlikely given that Tiny Tim is dead by the Christmas Scrooge is shown, and Tiny Tim is not on the verge of death that day.

[@huntergraham702]

People: OMG every story is so political nowadays! I just want to enjoy a story in peace! Dickens: *Ghostly laughter nearly 200 years from beyond the grave*

[@catarinamelchiorgomes8750]

It's more about how you discuss politics in fiction than having the politics

[@cypher7549]

You literally could have been KILLED over books back then bro, id say we've calmed down on politics regarding literature

[@Visplight]

@@cypher7549 Yeah, 500 years ago getting "cancelled" could mean burned at the stake.

[@theinevitableheatdeathofth7921]

It usually boils down to us not having the historical context to see the politics of older stories.

[@brigidtheirish]

Me: *laughs in 'nursery rhymes*

[@Jebbtube]

In retrospect, I kinda wish Red had illustrated these scenes herself. Maybe we'll get a remaster someday...?

[@kingaxolotl4085]

I agree

I would love to see her rendition of the Ghost of Christmas Past.

[@reillykuhn5692]

@MagnuMagnus That would be awesome

[@Zbot8577_]

Oh my GOD YES. Red we're begging you

[@dynamicworlds1]

". . . as if the concept of improving as a person was invented by hypersensitive millennials in 2010 Nope, turns out people have been trying to not mortally offend their audience since forever! Who knew" Thank you for that Red. A beacon of sanity on the dark waves of the internet.

[@brigidtheirish]

Yeah. Now, some folks take it too far ('safe spaces,' not allowing conservative speakers on campus, calling Veggie Tales racist...), but the general idea of getting along and not unnecessarily ruffling feathers is a good one. (Wait, is 'ruffling feathers' offensive to birds?)

[@shai5651]

@@brigidtheirish What's wrong with safe spaces?

[@brigidtheirish]

@@shai5651 Having a safe space isn't the problem. Having institutionally *enforced* safe spaces is the problem. Look, I started college fall semester of 2001. (Fun year.) I'm Catholic and my politics tend to lean just barely right of center. Christianity, *especially* Catholicism, is not well treated at liberal arts colleges. I had to sit through a *lot* of classes that directly or indirectly attacked everything I believe in. But I didn't demand a 'safe space,' I made my own. I got through the classes for the day and then took a walk, or called home, or *something.* Point is, I took care of my own needs. I didn't expect anyone to fix things for me. I did eventually drop out, but there were quite a few other things contributing to that decision besides the unrelenting tide of liberal rhetoric. The real world doesn't have ready made safe spaces. Dang near every job is going to put you in contact with jerks. Sometimes the jerk is your supervisor. Some bad behavior can be dealt with, but it can't be prevented. No boss is going to let employees take extended breaks every time they run into a rude customer or get in an argument with a coworker. Nothing would ever get done. And that's not even counting when no one did anything wrong, you're just overwhelmed. Speaking from experience again. I get panic attacks sometimes (anxiety disorders are the worst). I've lost jobs because I spent so much time barely functional or not there at all because of illness. And I don't fault my previous employers one bit. Most of them tried their best to work with me. Most also expressed a lot of concern for my health. They liked the work I did when I actually *worked,* but they also needed someone they could rely on. Someone who didn't get panic attacks whenever a crowd of customers showed up.

[@shai5651]

@@brigidtheirish I don't think that's the idea of a safe space. As a Catholic, you wouldn't appreciate it if someone came to your place of worship and started denouncing the name of God, right? It's not the place for that. The idea of a safe space, as I understand it, is to create a nondenominational space where people can go to avoid the kind of attack you're describing. I'm sorry to hear that you have panic attacks, but I don't see why that's relevant. You're right that people shouldn't be able to opt out of work whenever they feel like it, but when they have the time, I don't see what's wrong with having a place to go to.

[@brigidtheirish]

@@shai5651 That may not be the idea, but that is how they've been implemented. Particularly on college campuses. The point of mentioning the panic attacks is that sort of reaction (sometimes to weirdly innocuous things) is used to defend the enforcement of safe spaces. I realize this is the internet and people can go kinda nuts here, but as someone who's dealt with anxiety most of my life, a lot of the arguments sound like whining. I mean, good grief, expecting professors in a legal program not to teach students about rape law or even use the word 'violate?' www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/is-political-correctness-back-on-campus/432570/ This isn't just about having a safe spot on campus where you can take a deep breath and maybe work through some mental glitches (that's what a councilor's office is for, by the way). This is about making the *entire campus* a 'safe' space. Apparently safe from reality.

[@Yort781]

“Multi limbed Eldridge abomination that is the house of mouse” Accurate

[@MstEli]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who says this.

[@Stupisms]

That was what she was doing in the hero's journey video

[@dynamicworlds1]

Anyone want to start a petition to strap Disney executives to chairs and force them to watch their own movie until they learn the same lessons as Scruge?

[@chiblast100x]

I would agree it was accurate... except that "eldritch" is just an anachronistic word (probably of Old English derivation) which means "otherworldly" and there is nothing meaningfully otherworldly about that company (yeah, I know there are connotative elements beyond that from the word's heavy use in the Mythos, but that just modifies it to "otherworldly and sinister").

[@rdzpyrex1086]

Just gonna put it out here that Disney holds title of "Kingdom of Magic" and I by that I mean dabbling in dark sorcery magic. Have you seen the 1920 horror cartoons they made?

[@hazakurasuyama9016]

How I always imagined the ghosts: Ghost of Christmas past: femboy candle Ghost of Christmas present: bootleg Santa Christmas future: literally just the grim reaper

[@beanbrain6162]

XD same honestly

[@bobmcguffin5706]

Oh gosh... the femboy candle... I want it but I don't think I can compute it

[@hazakurasuyama9016]

@@bobmcguffin5706 lol

[@deanmorton6537]

There are adaptations with Ghost of the Future literally being Death itself

[@MetalHeadManic612]

The Ghost of Christmas Present is supposed to be Father Christmas. Aka the British version of Santa Claus.

[@thehopeofeden597]

That little "Dickens Gets Political" note about the bakeries was so intriguing. That needs to be in more adaptations!

[@nathanielranney9163]

Jim Carey version had the bakery bit.

[@magnusprime962]

It’s a good scene, but I definitely see why it gets cut. It’s not about Scrooge or anyone associated with him, and you have to consider time constraints in films. The story still works without it, and its themes aren’t hurt by its absence. I’d like to see it more often, but I understand why we don’t.

[@StoicVeR]

I think that's why I prefer the Jim Carey adaptation; it followed the novella pretty faithfully. Also, Carey really gave an beautiful portrayal of a Scrooge who was afraid of the world, and used money as his comfort from his fears - it established that gray area of why he swung to avarice and made the character less of a villain trying to destroy the world, and just a misunderstood geezer who indirectly caused strife by his ignorance and callous actions. But definitely, the bakery argument was an interesting addition, and defines a line where the church advocates are in that way ignorant as well, or intentionally cruel in the face of religion, more particularly the Christian religion and holiday shutdowns. Such as in the modern day, 'advocates' want all establishments shut down on Christmas, but there are people who will willing work Holidays because they need, or just want, that extra supplement to their income.

[@edisonmichael6345]

@@StoicVeR Well it is interesting but, for one, the "let's close bakeries during holy days" thing was a fringe movement from that time that is now dead and which affected a baker's tradition that is now no more in use, so it requires more than a pinch of backstory to be worked into an adaptation, so as interesting as it is it kind of complicates the flow of the narrative for a movie. Also, Jim Carey's version was mostly faithful to the text but, personally, I don't think it is as faithful in terms of subtext. It is so high octane and cartoonish that when it gets to the emotional bit you are still either laughing or rolling your eyes about the nonsense skating over the roofs of London or the running from carriages. I'm not sure Carrey's version conveys the "this is important stuff, you reader should be nicer, too" as much as it conveys an overall "let's see this douche that is really unlike you get smacked in the face with a fish or something".

[@StoicVeR]

@@edisonmichael6345 I agree on the cartoonish aspects of the film, and also I think people don't take Carrey's acting as serious as he wants or tries to convey, so there's always this suspense for some comedy factor; if that makes any sense? But this redemption of a Christmas Carol is much more intense than others, like Red put it some of these scenes were too Spicy for the era of each incarnation. I think because it's Disney, the cartoon and wild adventures were added to reduce the heat, so that it appeals to a young audience. I mean, there has to be some poor tots out there traumatized by Jacob's antics. And the ghost of Christmas Present? Whoa there, pardner.

[@JustinY.]

This wasn't in the manga

[@iiikaruz]

I thought you were dead finally! Guess I was wrong!

[@eddie1993]

How are you everywhere? Do you use bots? Are you multiple people? HOW?

[@naonuk1743]

Hey daddy

[@VyceofMataMertha]

Um, WHAT?!

[@iiikaruz]

@@eddie1993 10 Questions Science Still Can't Explain

[@asterthomas556]

I JUST GOT OUT OF SCHOOL FOR BREAK HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE!!!!

[@virtuallybee]

Woo...I have two more tests to go

[@dalavarroavanyi5054]

Then Marry shlople plonks

[@NamNguyen-kw8hl]

HAPPY HOLIDAY

[@eddie1993]

Ghostly Giggabyte oof

[@clarahowson2911]

We got out of school in 1:25. England is great!

[@Mallen151]

The moment you mentioned that is never filmed where The Ghost of Christmas Present reminds Scrooge how many of the people who justify their “dicketry” in God’s name do not actually represent him is one of my favorite fictional moments ever. I read A Christmas Carol in High School as a devout Christian who pretty much wanted to throw up every time The Westboro Baptist Church came on TV. It was reassuring to think that a literary genius and maybe even God agreed with me.

[@Lemuel928]

What a load of ducks.

[@Apples765]

I am a Muslim, but it made me feel good too, and ya, i think God would agree.

[@CrazyGamerDragon64]

This reminds me of the verses in the Bible that actually make me feel the most uneasy: Matthew 7 21-23, it's part of Jesus' sermon on the mount, He talks about how many people call Him "'Lord, Lord" & claim to do many wonderful things in His name but when they finally face Him on Judgement Day He will say to them "I never knew you, depart from me you doers of wickedness."

[@meganaitken7522]

They actually brought it up in Disney’s Jim Carrey version

[@bluesbest1]

@@CrazyGamerDragon64 "We must march to war in our God's Holy Name!" (faces Jesus) Jesus: "Excuse me, what part of 'Love thy enemy' was I unclear about? At what point did I say anything to warrant you killing your neighbors?"

[@jenniferschillig3768]

"Nobody ever films this part for some reason..." The 2009 Disney adaptation, which was quite book-faithful and had many virtues despite the rather off-putting motion-capture animation, included this bit. In a way, the not-half-bad Flintstones Christmas Carol did as well. (It had the same stage-show framing device as the Magoo version.) It doesn't specify the shutdown laws, but Fred-as-Scrooge asks the Ghost of Christmas Present what he has to say about so many people acting like pricks in the name of Heaven, and the Ghost replies that deeds of hatred, bigotry and pride must be blamed on their TRUE source, not him or his fellow benevolent spirits.

[@CrazyGamerDragon64]

Amen! You precisely described Jesus' words when He said "The people honor me with their lips but their hearts are far from me." It's also the subject of (IMO) the most unsettling verses of the Bible: Matthew 7 : 21-23

The mo cap Christmas carol is so underrated

[@OriginalCreatorSama]

Rich people: *steal money from the poor* Also rich people: "Why would you worship a god that lets the poor suffer?? You should tell him to do something about it!" Also also the rich: "Don't complain to ME that you're poor, you should have thought about that before deciding to be poor! Save money and quit buying avocado toast, you freeloaders!"

[@autisticdancer]

I haven't actually watched the Flinstones cartoons but I watch the Flinstones Christmas carol every Christmas and it remains one of my favorite Christmas movies to watch! ^^

[@maplepainttube8158]

It makes me thing that "Do not take god's name in vain" means the people Dickens was criticizing rather than it just meaning "Don't say, 'Oh my god' or 'Jesus f-ing Christ'"

[@onealone-jt8oi]

I've always wondered, is the Ghost of Christmas Future silent because that was how Dickens was telling that us the future is ours to say? And yeah! Go Muppets!

[@davidmckay6453]

The Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come is silent because the future is uncertain, and therefore, he only shows the potential future. This is also why the Ghost has no visible face.

[@starbird3939]

I think some people get the message that Scrooge did this “Get Out of Jail/Hell/Purgatory/Eternal Suffering Card” Which it would have been had the spirit had not also shown the grave of Tiny Tim. I like how many of the films show how devastated Scrooge is when he realizes first hand that his greed actually cost the life of a child, and all the sorrow it causes for one family. It shows how, for good or for ill, Scrooge has an effect and inpression on everyone he knows and how their lives will be affected... and how he can fix the lives of those who still give him a chance.

[@UpSky2]

Dickens' little contradiction - what vision is perfect after all - makes him tacitly acknowledge that hey, Scrooge's fixation on MONEY is Bad, but it also makes him powerful with people. (PS: provided that he largely gives it up!)

[@brigidtheirish]

@@UpSky2 Yeah, basically, Scrooge's sin isn't wealth, it's greed. Money doesn't do anyone any good if it isn't spent.

[@willieoelkers5568]

@@UpSky2 People like to quote "money is the root of all evil", but that's a truncation that alters the message. The real line is " *love of* money is the root of all evil". Desiring wealth is not, in and of itself, bad. Desiring wealth purely for the sake of wealth is, as is pursuing such wealth at any cost to others.

[@adamwu4565]

@@brigidtheirish Several of the adaptions I have seen show us Scrooge in his house, and its this big, dark, empty mansion devoid of material comfort. The rooms are cold, because Scrooge is scrimping on firewood. The halls are dusty, because he won't pay for a housekeeper. The curtains and bedding are old, because Scrooge won't pay to replace them. So Scrooge's greed is pathological and harms not just the people around him, but himself. His money sits in a pile somewhere inertly while he himself suffers the material discomforts of a much poorer man because he won't spend any of it even on his own physical well being and health.

[@brigidtheirish]

@@adamwu4565 Yep. Pretty much exactly what I said but with more detail.

[@harryguidotti3815]

"Scrooge reads the room and asks if Tiny Tim is gonna live or not. The ghost is like 'Nyoope'." I don't know why but that made me laugh boisterously.

[@ClinicalAnatomyExplained]

The Doctor Who version was also pretty solid, but far from the source material.

[@rhys2275]

Clinical Anatomy Explained! Unquiet Dead?

[@ClinicalAnatomyExplained]

@@rhys2275 The Matt Smith Christmas Carol special.

[@rhys2275]

Clinical Anatomy Explained! Oh, okay. I forgot about that one.

[@ClinicalAnatomyExplained]

@@rhys2275 no worries!

[@rhys2275]

Clinical Anatomy Explained! Thanks

[@coal_inks4793]

WOW! I never knew all the extra bits from the novel (like ghost of Christmas past being ON FIRE) that’s my favorite part of Red’s videos, all the extra bits of history/book only things in the literature.

[@nyxshadowhawk]

The 2009 Disney version is an almost word-for-word adaptation, so a lot of those extra bits are included!

[@CDexie]

Is the bakery thing included too?

[@nyxshadowhawk]

@@CDexie Yes, briefly; at least the line about "blame them, not us" is in there.

[@amelia_airhead272]

That’s why I love the 2009 movie, they were really creative with the ghost of Christmas past by making him a living candle. That way he shifted and danced in the light just like Dickens described!

[@nyxshadowhawk]

@@amelia_airhead272 Well, aside from the shifting number of limbs.

[@kitkatmuffin]

Scrooge: YOU THERE BOY! WHAT DAY IS IT? Boy: Easter! Scrooge: *Oh heck-*

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

Proof that literature wouldn't have survived the invention of sarcasm in the early 1800's? ;o)

[@Bloodlyshiva]

He'd still have time. Tim's death is slated for a year from 'now'. It'd be more trouble, but not impossible.

[@tlane3641]

The answer to "should we watch 'Nightmare Before Christmas' on Halloween or Christmas?" is YES. Also, I saw a stage production of this a couple years ago where it was revealed at the end that all three ghosts were actually the ghost of Marley in disguise, and that he was tasked with helping Scrooge see the error of his ways to atone for his own misdeeds in life. After the play closes out, Marley appears on stage and his chains drop off, and he's able to cross over. I thought that was a really nice change to the story.

[@nobodybroda3826]

I liked one of the other comment ideas, where Marley isn't allowed to help the living as he's dead. But in helping scrooge he earned a worse fate for one last chance at making the world better, even if it's small and then joining the whirling and howling ghosts. Gives me a Prometheus vibe, though languishing in torment and pain, one finds solace in that they did some good and that holds them through the pain.

[@montithered4741]

These are fantastic ideas which should be included as an after credits scene! Like a camera pans up from Bob Crachet’s home at Christmas dinner to see the three spirits unlocking and discarding the chains from Jacob Marley.

[@pook2781]

KZbin in a nutshell People that try = not Monetized Jake Paul = Monetized

[@Healermain15]

@@gothnerd887 dress up as a small multi-limbed child, the Jolly Green Giant, and not-death, and pay him a visit.

[@gothnerd887]

@@Healermain15 that does sound like more fun than killing him

[@franziska9260]

@@Healermain15 Ooohhh I wanna be the multi-limbed child

[@SolstaceWinters]

@@Healermain15 Green's not really my color, but I'm tall, fat, and have a booming voice and laugh.

[@Healermain15]

Are you sufficiently small and skilled enough at puppetry/dark sacrificial magic to control at least twelve limbs? @@SolstaceWinters Nothing that a bit of Holiday Cheer and a bucket of paint can't fix!

[@jenc9532]

So dickens is the complete opposite of lovecraft good to know

[@zoushaomenohu]

Not quite. Charity and activism aside, Dickens still cheated on his wife with a teenage actress and called her a "donkey," "an unloving and unloved mother," and blamed her for saddling him with ten noisy kids (while still claiming custody of said noisy kids, apart from his oldest son, Charles Jr., who was financially independent enough to stay with his mom).

[@matrimalviarin5043]

That is fairly accurate, and that goes for what they wrote as well. Lovecraft channeled his fears to write chilling, insane stories that reflected his own psyche, personifying a withered, broken man with a pen. You know, the Necronomicon could just be considered a collection of Lovecraft's work, and truly understanding it would, by necessity, mean you yoyrself have gone insane. Dickens was not so unhinged.

[@jenc9532]

Jacob Behnke wow that’s a lot

[@kennethsatria6607]

In backstory and writing then. Not in later years.

[@ReyesdeMadrid]

How so?

[@ZZRose-xk9ss]

was the ghost of christmas present just...hiding those children under his robe for the entire day

[@therideneverends1697]

yes

[@Ajehy]

Because in the joy of celebration, we tend to overlook the poor and downtrodden... under the fluffy robes of holiday cheer, there always lurks darkness

[@gexagon1804]

( ͡° ʖ̯ ͡°)

[@albertschoise8091]

Ajehy oh....wow

[@andrewollmann304]

Z.Z. Rose Scrooge actually sees Ignorance’s foot peeking out from the Spirit’s robes. He says, “There’s something down there which contrasts with your nature. Is it a foot or a claw?” The Spirit sadly replies, “It might as well be a claw, since it is so bony” Paraphrased, of course, but that’s the gist of it.

[@JanosAudren09]

Light the lamp not the rat! LIGHT THE LAMP NOT THE RAT!!!

[@kevinr.9733]

"You can fit through those bars?" "Yeah?" "You are such an idiot." "What? What? Hey, what?"

[@whovianhistorybuff]

Gonzo: In order to conduct a proper search scrooge was forced to light the lamps A room lights up upstairs Rizzo: how DOES he DO that?

[@Grace-ir8er]

"Rats don't understand these things." "You were never a lonely child?" "I had _twelve hundred and seventy four_ brothers and sisters." "Boy. Rats _don't_ understand these things."

[@SuperSongbird21]

@@whovianhistorybuff "Alright, that's it!" "What?" "How do you know what Scrooge is doing? We're down here and he's up there!" "I keep telling you, storytellers are omniscient. I know everything." "Well, howty-towty, Mr God-like Smarty Pants!"

[@CleopatraKing]

"My mother always told me not to eat talking fruit"

[@OhMightyWeirdOne]

0:40 - "You know how Nightmare Before Christmas is in that awkward situation where you don't know whether to watch it on Halloween or Christmas? The answer is both. Or you can be like me and watch it all year round.

[@anonymousdratini]

I find that the best time to watch it is thanksgiving. Right in between!

[@HaitaniMasayuki]

It seems Dickens' Christmas Carol is the reason why we associate Christmas with a snowy "white christmas" nowadays (which rarely happens in a lot of regions). In Dickens childhood a "small ice age" was going on which lead to a lot of snow fall during the latter half of the year, which might have been the motivation of this story's setting.

[@Fae_van]

You're right, Because we haven't gotten snow in like forever! :( and I'm praying it magically happens by Tuesday.

[@brigidtheirish]

And people wonder why the planet is warming...

[@RGld-jg8rs]

I live down under, I'm melting from the bloody heat

[@brigidtheirish]

@@RGld-jg8rs Oh man, it's summer down there, right? My sympathies.

[@prophetdrogonaria4678]

brigidtheirish, you must understand the Earth warming isn’t as big of a problem as most would make it out to be. It’s all just part of the natural cycle the Earth goes through, sure humanity is encouraging it a bit more, but not enough to fucking end all life. In a few years, probably a few decades, we’ll most likely experience one of those “mini-ice ages” again, but on a bit smaller scale.

[@chrishall5570]

An aspect that I think is commonly overlooked when A Christmas Carol comes up is that Scrooge's obsession with money started from a very common and relatable fear that became an obsession. I'm really glad that you brought it up since its honestly an aspect of Scrooge that makes him extremely relatable since how much money you have is something that everyone has to worry about to some degree at some point in their lives.

[@BennyLlama39]

For some reason I just thought of a Dr. Who episode. 😀 Scrooge: You, boy-- what day is it? Kid: Christmas Day... are you thick?

[@OriginalCreatorSama]

I LOVE THIS!!!

[@hasiumcreeper5384]

I think your Lovecraft episode really paid off. Your depiction of the Mouse is great, and accurate!

[@jonathanswavely7259]

Mouse? I believe you mean. . . *The Rat*

[@brianedner8125]

your 100% right, the Muppets is the best version ever. Its also one of the most accurate versions I have ever seem.

[@ihcfn]

Absolutely

[@gylmano]

Plus Michael Caine was the best Scrooge ever (well Bill Murray was great in Scrooged too). "It was almost love. It was almost always..."

[@ezelfrancisco1349]

The Dom actually shares your opinion

[@firesparkling9370]

I watched the Muppets version when I was little (and I still do) because of all the music and color in it vs the colorless, Muppetless 1951 version. Plus I watched a lot of sesame street when I was in elementary school.

[@Cecona]

I don’t know, the animated one with Jim Carrey as Scrooge was pretty damn accurate. It has everything mentioned here even the bakery thing.

[@huldrrrr9486]

9:48 I love that Red mentioned the part where Ghost of Christmas yet to come was shooketh. "For the first time the hand appeared to shake. "Good Spirit," he pursued, as down upon the ground he fell before it: "Your nature intercedes for me, and pities me. Assure me that I yet may change these shadows you have shown me, by an altered life!" The kind hand trembled." Despite how eerie and horrifying it is, both in appearance and what it represents, it is a helpful, even kind figure. It just wants to point Scrooge to the right direction. Tough Love. Such a great story

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

It's worth pointing out that too often, people assume "The ghost of Christmas yet to come" is just a "reskinned" interpretation of a Death Spirit or some perverse take on the Grim Reaper... instead of an ominous futuristic shadow... AND for what it's worth, I often undermine expectations at the Game Table by rendering a Death Spirit or the "Death Angel" as a benevolent functional worker more like an usher than a rendering horror or taker... It screws with the Players horribly, since they consistently have the view that "death is bad, mkay..." ;o)

[@deathserpent9747]

That ghost points a lot actually

[@StoicVeR]

The Ghost of Christmas to come is my favorite, and whom I consider the most benevolent to Scrooge's plight. It doesn't mock him or treat him cruelly, it gives him the bare bones facts of what can be. It gave Scrooge what he needed most, and that is the truth of his situation.

[@electriclime3633]

To me The Ghost of Christmas yet to come is like the grim reaper without a sycthe.

[@kyriss12]

gnarth d'arkanen The character of Death from Neil gaiman’s sandman man was along the same vain. Very laid back and fun loving, also had more empathy than any of the other endless except for maybe Destruction. Desire on the other hand was a total psycho.

[@Skullamander96]

It's my personal head cannon that Ebenezer's father was also visited by the three ghosts. From the little we learn about him, he seems to have made a total 360 turn, personality wise, during Christmas time nonetheless. What do you think about this theory? P.s. this wasn't just informed by this video, I actually went back and read that passage from the novella to see if this theory is actually plausible.

[@lyinar]

The Ghosts: "Why do we keep having to do all this for THIS ONE FREAKING FAMILY?!"

@lyinar Ghost of Christmas Past be like “Generational Trauma” *jazz hands*

[@trucetruce335]

"lame Christmasy things like being poor and having friends" I don't know how you do it but your script and delivery always get a laugh out of me. So unique and dry, almost like a genuinely cheery but sarcastic rant. You're the best! also 6:52

[@artloveranimation]

Truce Truce NOOPE lol

[@trod146]

She's a script?.. how does a script speak and create videos?.. You meant "your" didn't you, and so should probably proofread before posting.

[@vexations_on_discount]

Timothy Trex3 you could’ve just said *your

[@oofoof4875]

well the show is called "overly sarcastic"

[@trucetruce335]

Timothy Trex3 Alright you salty grammar Nazi a *your would’ve sufficed. No need to be so passive aggressive, people make mistakes.

[@Neon_Swing]

“Extremely spooky” Pssssssssssssssssssssshhh Second Ghost has a sweetass song, cheerful disposition, cool deep voice, and need I say, “Come in and know me better man!”

[@babassoonist557]

He is very tall tho, heckin frightening

NO DRAWINGS?!?! *Googly eyed Lovecraft* WHAT BLASPHEMY IS THIS

[@Zakanuva]

*_FUN FACT:_* Red actually started using the doodles because she kept having copyright issues during the Iliad episodes. ...So yeah, this one's a throwback episode! Gettin' old-school up in here for the holidays!

[@gabrielabautista2966]

She probably didn't draw this one because it would've taken too long.

[@rickybaddy7228]

:( me too

[@devoniandevotee9494]

*googly eyed Lovecraft* is my new favourite reaction face

[@jackalope2302]

I know. I was looking forward to her interpretations of the three Ghosts of Christmas.

[@donaldscholand4617]

George C. Scott played Ebenezer Scrooge in a version of the Christmas Carol. That's my personal favorite. Imagine General Patton as Ebenezer Scooge. When he finally breaks down and weeps and begs the ghost of Christmas future for another chance, it was really emotionally powerful. You'd kind of expect a frail old man to break down when faced with his own mortality, but when a strong actor like George C. Scott weeps, it hit extra hard.

[@keolas6916]

That is the version I grew up with and thus my favorite. When as a parent I realized the A Christmas Carol movie was not in our library, that was the one I hunted down.

[@SamAronow]

Fun fact: A Christmas Carol is the main reason why Christmas is almost always depicted in the northern hemispheric English-speaking world as snowy. Dickens' childhood was during both the tail end of the Little Ice Age and an extreme volcanic winter due to the eruption of Mt. Tambora, and thus incorporated it into his work. In England and especially London today, white Christmases are very rare, so white Christmases in Britain basically exist as an anachronistic legacy of this work. However, many Britons I've come to encounter assume this is equally true of the US if not more so for how much further south the country is and how much hotter the summers are. Many have been shocked by the reality of a midwestern winter.

[@jlokison]

Many US citizens that don't travel much are also sometimes surprised by the seasonal differences across the country. Pretty much everyone sees the news but most don't understand what it really means until they are they experience it themselves. Spanning the width of a continent, with the variety of terrain that entails, and going from the arctic circle to the tropics, results in very dramatic differences in weather patterns across the nation. This is also why depending on who is in charge of FEMA it is better prepared for some disasters than others and never quite gets anything totally right.

[@SamAronow]

@@jlokison As a Californian who attended elementary school in the dark days before anyone cared about La Soberanía, I had something of the opposite experience. I was taught from an early age that we were bizarre Mediterranean aberrations who barely deserved to be called Americans. We learned all about East Coast nature and weather and indigenous peoples, and all we ever learned about California was Missions->Gold Rush->Japanese Internment, the end.

[@rateeightx]

You Can Experience All Four Seasons In A Single Day In The Midwest, In New England The Weather Hardly Differentiates From Old England. I Miss The Midwest.

[@kennethsatria6607]

Ooh... interesting indeed

[@theproplady]

The Midwest is basically the Siberia of the Western Hemisphere, what with being in a tundra and all. It's especially fun in MN when you get blasted by the polar vortexes from Canada in the winter and hit by the humid, mosquito-ridden Gulf of Mexico air in the summer.

[@toetotipthatsabart5048]

My elementary school did this as the winter play every year, but they changed Scrooge’s backstory a LOT. Particularly, he never had a girlfriend. He had a love he never spoke to because he was too afraid. Don’t know why that was changed. Also, took out almost anything anti-capitalist, turned it into a “you need to be cheery and friendly”.

[@mrhyde4732]

Maybe to make it more "kid friendly"?

[@MildredCady]

@@mrhyde4732 That's the only thing I can think of.

[@emperorleroy6747]

@@mrhyde4732 that makes no sense. Like, oh my fiancee left me!, oh no that is to risque!

[@KaiTenSatsuma]

Probably because it would require someone to be the "Girlfriend" and then to spurn the boy playing Scrooge, breaking his little heart

[@MormonDude]

Toe to Tip That's a Bart I mean, there’s a difference between being heartless and being anti-capitalist.

[@Laxhoop]

Every version of a Christmas carol has a unique aspect, that if taken and added to a grander version, would create one of the best versions of the tale ever. For instance, rarely does Scrooge’s dead sister ever make it into an adaptation. And even more rarely is the scene where Scrooge vows to make enough money to save her from her sickness shown, and even MORE rarely is the scene where Scrooge misses his sister’s warning to not become obsessed with greed shown, only for Scrooge to be shown it by the spirit of Christmas past, causing him to have, what SHOULD be, one of the two major emotional gut punches that make him change his ways, with the other being finding out about Tiny Tim passing away. Oh, and another rare thing, only in a rare few adaptations, is Ebenezer’s hatred of Christmas linked with the fact that his sister died on the Holiday, and his nephew’s mere existence is a reminder of her death, and is a constant source of his resentment towards the holiday. This simple explanation adds so much to Scrooge’s character, yet rarely does it make its way onto the screen. And then, another rarity for adaptations of this story, is to show Scrooge’s old love. Many adaptations just skip to the breakup, rather than showing the slow growth of Scrooge’s greed consuming him, and ruining his relationship without him even realizing. But only one adaptation that I know of, actually has the ghost of Christmas Present, show Scrooge where she is in the present day. Showing him how she has a huge family, and is completely happy without him, or all that much money. This and so many other things that are amazing on their own, are all strewn about randomly throughout all the adaptations. In fact, it’s so random, that some adaptations have plot lines and takes on characters that could only work or make sense, if they included a bit from an entirely different adaptation, but they don’t, so it falls flat in both adaptations, because it failed in the one, and it makes you wish that the other adaptations had this more interesting perspective on this one event or character. You know what I mean? And again, if brought together, all of these interesting individual aspects, would create the ultimate, perfect version of this story, that everyone could agree to watch on Christmas.

[@Laxhoop]

syrinx32 Movies.

[@DarkestElemental616]

Wait, this means his nephew's one of those poor suckers with a Christmas birthday.

[@trod146]

@@Laxhoop omfg who tf writes that fucking much just for a KZbin comment?... get a hobby, man..

[@vexations_on_discount]

Timothy Trex3 says the guy who used a whole sentence to say the poster made a spelling error while also telling them to proofread their comments

[@AlphaLyons]

Timothy Trex3 At least the comment is insightful to the story while your just being judgmental on a dude who took his time to write the whole thing out. I found the comment enlightening as I never knew Scrooge had a sister or nephew til this very video.

[@shadowscribe]

I remember that version. Marley: [WTF scream] Do you believe in me or not Me: I believe whatever you want! Just don't make that noise again!

[@shika15]

My favorite version is with Scrooge mcduck

[@youtbuecraert]

My favorite too! :O

[@mennograafmans1595]

That one is good as well. I really need to watch either one again.

[@tjbonnes4936]

Both my favorite and the first version of a Christmas Carol I was exposed to

[@ottoleois9323]

I personally enjoy the motion capture version with Jim Carrey for the accuracy, but do admit it is a little outlandish. Enjoy what you all fell in love with. Merry Christmas.

[@Oniqueen]

That one was the very first Christmas Carol adaptation I ever saw, and Pete as the Spirit of Christmas Future scared the crap out of me.

[@JayPao]

They call me the ghost of Soviet Christmas. You get extra load of bread for the month. Cause no trouble.

[@Taiyama2]

You mean I actually get bread this month?! Hooray!

[@micahportillo3923]

It's free!?!?

[@thegrandberry4418]

Was the bread stolen from some Kulaks first?

[@petehill7280]

@Frank Castle I think that the sheer level of inaccuracy is part of the joke. Merry Christmas, man.

[@PhoenixFireZero]

RedComm Glory to Arstotzka.

[@sophiatalksmusic3588]

Once, I was feeling feverish and delirious, and for whatever reason, I was under the notion that Tiny Tim got hit by a truck. Never mind the fact that trucks weren't even around then; I just felt like there was a part in the story where he's all "God bless us, every one!" and a truck comes along and hits him. I'm not sure if I remembered that from some weird adaptation or whatever, but nonetheless, my friends won't let me hear the end of it.

[@philiphockenbury6563]

Tiny Tim Truck. I love the alliteration. I would have tried to do it myself but I'm feeling lazy.

[@ginge641]

Maybe you watched that Nicholas Cage movie where he sees trucks come out of nowhere and hits people. It's meant to be tragic, but it ends up being hilarious. Maybe you merged this with ACC.

[@Fae_van]

Maybe it was a fever dream?

[@sophiatalksmusic3588]

søra Áo Subliміпаls yeah, it probably was!

[@sophiatalksmusic3588]

uncletigger Ha, good point! But I was thinking of, like, a semi or something.

[@Entropic_Alloy]

I imagine Scrooge's father was also visited by spirits, with how apparently sudden his change of heart was.

[@Leviathan4000]

The jim carrey animated version a few years back didn't leave anything out, as far as I remember it. I was impressed how many scenes were word for word the same as the book. But yeah trademark fights and such would make it hard to talk about.

[@BeeWhistler]

I thought it was actually very good despite the people who found it edgy to hate it. If they hadn't decided to milk the 3-D option by including some truly ridiculous scenes, I'd consider it one of the best.

[@jklinders]

Yeah, that bakery bit was in there. Glad someone else caught that and pointed it out

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

I can only imagine how insane it would be if the ghosts of Christmas past, present, and future visited Anakin. He would probably be very confused and very traumatized.

[@rafaelalodio5116]

Visited him in what part of his life?

[@Calintares]

It's not christmas though, it's Life Day. and it's terrible.

[@ezelfrancisco1349]

Past would probably be represented by Yoda or Ahsoka Present would will get Obi Wan Future would be Sidious

[@aaronbasham6554]

Robot Chicken did that.

[@Bloodlyshiva]

He already got hit with Future. That's what caused half the trouble. Poor sod was going insane trying to work out how to STOP ALL THIS. Which led him to Sidious, which caused it to happen. Sad, really.

[@research_winter]

Summarize The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde

[@ethangellman4563]

I second this

[@warasdf6716]

YESS

[@chloneko4920]

yaaaaaas

[@Stormkrow280]

You have my vote

[@alliehoffman1251]

As Hamilton once said... *J E F F E R S O N H A S M Y V O T E*

[@Ostentatiousnessness]

“And the ghost is like: *_NOPE!_* “ I can only imagine he was voiced by Brian Blessed.

[@WitchKat]

You know, I always considered the ghost of Christmas future to actually be Scrooge's spirit come back to save himself. That the spirit of the kind man he became went back to confront the awful man he once was to confront and *literally* save himself.

[@nyx_aka_jamieee]

Woah. Thats an awesome way of thinking about it! I like it

[@gothnerd887]

Some say it's the Grim Reaper's Christmas job

[@Stormkrow280]

Goth Nerd that’s my theory as well, that’s it’s death’s second job

[@number1connieconversefan]

Interesting take. I like it.

[@WraythSkitzofrenik]

Ooooooh I like that

[@MrRoanRocks]

"TOUCH MY ROBE!" - Ghost of Christmas Present

[@Bluecho4]

* Scrooge and Ghost 2 fly across the sky * Caption: CHRISTMAAAAAAAS!

[@KnightsWithoutATable]

We need Muppet versions of all of this author's works. All narrated by Gonzo.

[@fredricknoe3114]

A Muppets 1984

[@LizLuvsCupcakes]

A Muppet's One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

[@wotnograpefruit]

A Muppet Bleak House?

[@5samz]

because gonzo is dank

[@HaganConnell]

A Muppet's Expectations?

[@mewsingsbynatk]

After this, I imagine the Ghost of Christmas Past to resemble a young woman wearing a white dress resembling a Chinese hanfu, with long, ethereal-looking sleeves for her fluctuating number of arms. Her hair would be constantly blowing it the wind to resemble a flickering candle flame, or she would be wearing a crown/headdress made of candles, and she would be sprinkled all over with gold sand like from an hourglass.

[@thelightningrod]

Dude. DUDE. Muppets Christmas Carol is my favorite version of this story as well. So glad to see others feel this way. Michael Caine is best Scrooge hands down. Hell, it's my favorite Christmas movie in general.

[@luthientinuviel3883]

Mine too, it just has so much heart and joy and lets the wonderful message shine through. To this day the song "it feels like Christmas" makes me tear up a little cause its such a beautiful, joyful song.

[@thelightningrod]

@@luthientinuviel3883 *spits out tea* I TEAR UP ON THAT ONE TOO. EVERY. TIME

[@CitizenTheory]

Indeed! As my mom has said, "One wouldn't think that out of all the movie adaptations the one with talking vegetables would be the most faithful and charming, and yet..."

[@magoichi75]

As old as this story is, This is one of my favorite Charles dicken stories as well as one of my personal favorites. I’ve always been a lover of Christmas even if I don’t deck out my apartment and such, just hurts me seeing everyone just so....numb around the holidays

[@justadogonachair6197]

It seems like you might also enjoy another book, called Cricket on the Hearth. It's also by Charles Dickens and it's a Christmas story, too.

[@Holloww98]

Wow, that animated Jim Carrey starring adaptation was actually faithful as hell

[@overlookers]

You know....when it wasn't being a whiplash tonal mess.

[@jessicajayes8326]

But it was kinda boring. I've so many versions of this story. The Muppet one I could watch over and over again!

[@remixdragon6156]

overlookers I love that version

[@Lic021]

It was freaking terrifying and uncanny valley-ish though *shudders*

[@emilywright1390]

Have you /read/ the book??? The STORY is uncanny valley-ish

[@herbertkeithmiller]

The creepiest scariest part of A Christmas Carol was for me the two children under the robes of the Ghost of Christmas Present ignorance and want. Not only were they unexpected the knowledge that ignorance and want are always with me have remained in my mind as a reminder that I've got it good and other people have it worse.

[@brimestonelewis8775]

I personally consider "A Nightmare Before Christmas" to be both a Christmas and Halloween movie.

[@anonymousfellow8879]

...I literally just wrote a play that’s “is this Christmas or Easter?!?” to be performed tomorrow, so I get where she’s coming from. (The gist of it is...everybody who witnessed the Nativity are telling the MC post-crucifixion, pre-resurrection. Because one of the soldiers had a guilty conscience. Welp. Then...I got really heavy-handed with situational humor and snark where I could...so...it’s sorta a Tragicomedy...??? i guess??? Shockingly nobody’s excommunicated me for it. Especially since I turned Mary into a badass, and completely ignored other bits of church-tradition...in favor of Roman-Jewish cultures)

[@rusted_ursa]

I usually split the difference and watch it on Thanksgiving.

[@lowrider993]

huh, the newest Disney adaptation was surprisingly faithful to the source material. ¡Feliz Navidad y próspero año nuevo felicidad, Everyone!

[@Bluecho4]

I read somewhere that people theorized Scrooge could have lived through the Long Depression. While that seems unlikely - the Long Depression started in 1879, years after A Christmas Carol's writing and Dickens's death - it's a theory that I like the sentiment of, at the very least. Had Scrooge lived through one of the harshest economic downturns of his age, it would justify his having developed into the cold-hearted miser that he was. He would have needed to become frugal, emotionally detached, and focused on his own self-interest, just to _survive_ . The tragedy, then, came from him not later unlearning that behavior, but rather doubly down on it. A pattern of selfishness and misanthropy further compounded by his desire to avoid being emotionally hurt again, due to his lonely childhood, the death of his baby sister, and the failure of his relationship with his fiance. He'd pinned his survival and avoidance of pain onto money for so long - and done so much to alienate nearly everyone in his life - that the acquisition and retaining of money became the only occupant of his heart. That, and the decades of regrets he worked very hard to NOT think about.

[@jasonmartin4775]

You know, you could make a version like that, set a few decades in our future, about an old embittered millenial.

[@brigidtheirish]

Considering the misers who died with few possessions and mattresses stuffed with money because they lived through the Great Depression, I can believe that. Heck, my own paternal grandparents had some rather odd, excessively frugal habits from growing up in that decade. The one that nearly gave me a heart attack on several occasions was Grandpa's habit of trying to ride the back-draft of semis to save a few miles per gallon. Like, he'd be almost bumper-to-bumper with those things and then wonder why the semi driver was speeding up.

[@TheEmperorInferno]

Red actually managed to sync the Ghost of Christmas Present talking with her saying "nope" for him

[@IliyaMoroumetz]

Charles Dickens, a child born into poverty, writing socially progressive literature that advocates for the betterment of all that still stands to this day and improved by actually not being a dick when his stuff was justly critiqued?! WHAT SJW CONSPIRACY IS THIS?!?!

[@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901]

I thought he was born rich

[@sars910]

"And Tiny Tim manages not to die" "And everything turns out happy and awesome"

[@cartoonydoodles97]

Muppet Christmas Carol is the best movie version of A Christmas Carol and you can't change my mind

[@tabletaussendienst2721]

Yes

[@teamcybr8375]

Have you see the 2009 (I think) animated one? It's not necessarily better, but it is really good. Easily the closest adaptation of the book.

[@cartoonydoodles97]

@@teamcybr8375I've seen it, it was okay. I just have a soft spot in my heart for the Muppet version lol

[@jaylawrence8673]

The Muppet one is my favorite too.

[@jessicajayes8326]

Agreed!

[@firerulezz116]

I love how, in the end, he truly does change and becomes so belovedly nice.

[@michaellynes3540]

3:36 “Last Christmas” - Wham! 5:52 “Have a Holly Jolly Christmas” - Burt Ives 8:03 “Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 12/24” - Trans-Siberian Orchestra

[@7slavok]

"A Muppet Christmas Carol is the best cinematic version." THANK YOU! When I get the chance, I watch it every year.

[@wrlrdqueek]

It's a terrible thing to say, but "decrease the surplus population" is a really good line.

[@SpaceCase132]

I’m just waiting for someone to say something regarding Thanos.

[@poe_slaw]

_hahaha XDXD purple man, too many people, snap, mr stark i dont feel so good_ you mean like that?

[@nathangonzalez9710]

2 things 1 Muppet Christmas Carol is one of my favorite Christmas movies. My son and I watch it every year (he's 8 turning 9 in Nov) 2. Said son thought you have a pretty voice.

[@lorekeeperoblivious1557]

Do not think for a moment i did not recognize that epic version of Carol Of The Bells: you have excellent music taste!

[@zoculus2669]

I recently saw Trans-Siberian Orchastra live!!! It was amazing AND they did carol of the bells TWICE SQUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@jamesgunasegaram352]

Does anyone know what the song that plays during the Christmas Future part of the video? I love it but I can't find any source for it.

[@CSLucasEpic]

One version of this story I remember as a kid was the one on The Real Ghostbusters cartoon. The Ghostbusters travel back in time by accident and capture the three Christmas ghost spirits not knowing what they were. When they go back to the present it turns out that Christmas doesn't exist anymore and they have to go back in time again to fix everything.

[@vicboss6400]

I like how this story implies that scrooge is single-handedly responsible for the perpetuation of Christmas

[@thehopeofeden597]

Oh yes! The progenitor to some great Disney movies, one kind of creepy Disney movie, a Muppet movie, and the best Doctor Who Christmas special. I'm excited.

[@odistabettor]

Muppet Christmas Carol was such a pivotal part of Christmas every year growing up, and hearing that song at the end nearly had me in tears. Gonzo would be proud of your telling of it.

[@Bidmartinlo]

The personification of Death never has time to visit me on Christmas. Sigh...

[@Rerem113]

HO. HO. HO.

[@akechijubeimitsuhide]

@@Rerem113 I expected exactly that comment

[@Smeghead76]

@@akechijubeimitsuhide Nᴏᴡ ᴏɴʟʏ ᴏɴᴇ ǫᴜᴇsᴛɪᴏɴ ʀᴇᴍᴀɪɴs... ʜᴀᴠᴇ ʏᴏᴜ ʙᴇᴇɴ ɴᴀᴜɢʜᴛʏ, ᴏʀ ɴɪᴄᴇ? Hᴏ. Hᴏ. Hᴏ.

[@JCLegendary]

He'll stop by, eventually. But only the once.