Modern cycling is faster all around | Tour De France 2024 Stage 14 | JB2

Johan discusses the fact that some people say Tadej Pogacar and Jonas Vingegaard are "Not Normal". What does that mean? Also, Remco Evenepoel has a very legitimate podium shot if he can continue as he has been riding.
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[@iminc5498]

Free Johan! If he was SD of UAE, Pogacar would now be 4x champion

[@onkelpo7460]

Ayuso out, no difference? I saw a big one. UAE team was far better!

[@user-cc6wn6rl3j]

UAE finally got their tactics right on a climb that suits Pogi. About time.

[@33samogo]

What a day, what a Tadej! UAE was clearly confident in the strength of the team today, otherwise they wouldn't expose their riders like that, who spent a lot of energy to control the race. This means that the team performance log data are very good. The tactic was to win the stage attacking in the last kilometer or 500m, but Tadej decided differently and changed the plan on the fly. It was an old school tactic that was always prepared in advance, this time was different, Tadej changed tactics spontaneously. Adam was surprised when Tadaj told him to attack, who me, wtf?! There are very few riders who would have the courage to change the set tactics and send a teammate to attack so far from the finish, Valverde comes to mind, but even him would not involve teammates in important personal tactic decisions.This means that Tadej has complete control over what he does in the race and not the sports director. Kopo dol Tadej, this was a amazing performance that shows a new dimension of Tadej today, MasterPog™ 💪 EDIT: now I listened to Andrej Hauptman, sports director of UEA, who told how the tactical preparations are going inside the team. In this case they predicted this scenario with Adam, so it was only up to Tadej to decide which scenario he would choose regarding on situation in last 10-5 kilometers. For now, directors still have something to say in decision-making 😂 Jonas arrived at the finish line exhausted, this is not the same exhaustion that Pogačar showed a couple of days ago, as he arrived at the finish line without the fuel. Jonas showed today where his limits are at this TDF, today will be even worse for Jonas and he has no teammates to help him. One more thing to consider is the temperature, Tadej felt great at yesterday's cool temperature, and today the condition will be similar. I really like Jonas, I could even love him one day, but if UAE will have legs today like tomorrow, then it is a great opportunity for K.O. The strong pace is essential to tire Jonas even more than he is already before the last climb. One thing is clear, Pog will not ride on the back wheel of Jonas for a long time, and he would like to finish the TDF with a K.O.! Remco is surprisingly strong, but he can not do more than this, he is waiting for TT. Third place in Nice will be a great result for the first time in TDF for him, but if we take in perspective that Tadej won his first and second TDF and he will race for next 10 years on top level, then Remco is in Geraint Thomas category. Ben Healy, what a rider, he needs a team built around him, and better management, because now he wastes a lot of energy with reckless racing. His riding style and position on the bike is changing, he looks very good also in the TT. I can see him as a grand tour winner one day, he is a complete rider. I wrote that Pog can't dominate the TDF like he did at the Giro, but the gaps are already very similar to those set to his rivals at the end of the Giro, if we exclude Jonas and Remco, of course. The tour started yesterday and will end today!

[@curtvaughan2836]

Great analysis of today's stage!

[@hallockstuart7899]

The tires and drive chains have also gotten much better

[@mikeoc217]

Great insight as always. Tadej has the cards in his favor this year. He's not racing a team for once. 👍🏻🚵🏽‍♀️🇸🇮💯🇨🇵

[@adamcurpier]

Great stuff as always!

[@paulsolon6229]

Pogacar has improved in high mtns. My error, I didn’t think he cd keep up w vingegaard much less beat him Kuss is missed! Absence has cost v approx 40-60 sec

[@buzzman4860]

People are forgetting Tadej raced the Giro.

[@J-cz7yv]

Don’t forget Jonas raced to be ready for tour

[@user-iw8mp1oe3e]

Bini is doing good too. He still has the green jersey.

[@loveelroi4453]

Yea he got 7 point today

[@Chris-xv2gm]

Africans all dope.

[@GraniteQuarrier]

What an illustrious group of posters:)

[@kieranbarry8193]

Unchained season 3 scriptwriters will have an easy winter: Bardet in yellow, the Bini story, Cav's 35th, and now this....job done! :)

[@headofmyself5663]

I hate to say this but i think Jonas will crack this week. The limited prep time will hit badly now, like for Pogi last year in the 3rd week. Jonas face looked hollow yesterday and you could just see the suffering in it. Pogi is on the form of his life and his face yesterday looked as if he was just out with the dog. I really hope i am wrong though. Greetings from Germany

[@geckokoomoa579]

The TT in Nice will be explosive

[@edermetalctba]

Thanks for your great analysis. At 21:00+-, you told something very very important. Maybe Pogy realized that he's not able to drop Vingengard alone. In HEAD TO HEAD Pogy will loose. But with Adam help him to get a breath, it's possible to win the TDF. Unfortunately Vingengard it's alone in this fight.

[@TopgunB]

A large part of the fast speeds is nutrition. Riders are today being trained to quickly switch between fat burning and sugar burning. Before it was all about carbs and more carbs and riders hormones could not quickly switch to ketones and free fatty acids. That plus equipment plus aero studies.

[@conorgallagher6171]

Apparently Pogi did 6.85 W/Kg for 27:50 mins on the last climb.

[@cooldude.1811]

Stage 15 in theory should favour Vingegaard more...hotter, steeper, harder. But does he have the team to set him up?

[@buzzman4860]

MVP is just training for sure

[@markvonwisco7369]

When I was 15, I rode a Schwinn Continental, and didn't know that bike racing existed.

[@canaldoprotoplasma-pabaj.5384]

Great insight and interaccion between both JBs.......as communicators i would appreciate you guys try to avoid the use of "I mean; you know" before almost every comment. Just for the beauty of language use. Thank for sharing your knowlwdge!😊

[@kristofrookx8452]

I have this feeling Will go nuts

[@gillesd9347]

These guys are athletes!

[@TheMrbrookster]

Currently UAE have the strongest team and strongest rider and they have Pogacar.

[@brucegelman5582]

Yates deserves 50% of the credit for Tadej win.Fact.

[@andrekather9596]

BS. Politt Sivakov Soler almeida are pulling many many km. Yates pulls for 500 meters. Most important meters for sure, but Pogacer performance was the most important at least 50 and the other 4 guys should get 30 and Yates 20

[@MeesterJ]

Yates pulled him 10 seconds 😂

[@rof8200]

Pogacar is 25 years old. He's at peak vo2 max, peak recovery abilities and peak strength

[@systemicchaos3921]

For all those saying the tour is over, there are 3 mountain stages left, all harder than today's, as well as a mountain TT - which if you remember last year, JV put 1:40 into Pog. The tour is far from over. Loving it.

[@shadowsun33]

Of course it is not over. Not over for various reasons not just the mountains. Anything can happen.

[@markmartin4793]

Jv had the better team plus pogi over attacked plus his injury if you give them both top teams pogi wins every time

[@markmartin4793]

Yonas is a skeleton you put him behind a strong team he's getting way more draft than anybody else

[@tolstoyed]

only way pog doesn’t win is if something goes terribly wrong for him. if he’s himself vinge ain’t beating him

[@shadowsun33]

@@tolstoyed 2 mins seems a lot but it takes only 1 not a great day in the steep mountains and it's all lost. Or mechanical.

[@MrJaycobsen]

Don't get me wrong I'm under no illusion the sports are completely clean, but what you forget to mention that has gotten much better is the tires and this helps everywhere not just on the flats.

[@WerdnaLiten]

Everything is better, so times will improve.

[@barkingspider2007]

The equipment, the recovery protocol, like comparing formula 1 racing to the Ford model T.

[@kevincockburn7805]

The disc brake bikes of today are not faster than the rim brake bikes of say 2010. The pros dont want the heavy rim brake bikes. Tadeji was the last man forced onto the disc brake bikes. Sports medicine / doping and the incredible carb loading are the 2 changes.

[@kevincockburn7805]

That should say the heavy disc brake bikes. No pro wants them on a mountain stage.

[@adhanomtsaeda4427]

can you mention why biniam was punished 10 points on stage 15?

[@teague2582]

Visma, Visma, Visma, is it a good idea to have the identical twin of Pogacars lead out man for Vingegaard??? Isn't there some kind of invisible bond and one can read the other? :) It is so fascinating like the golf identical twins Rasmus and Nicolai Højgaard. Really is on the next level when you have to beat at copy of yourself.

[@ShawnStradamus520]

Today Pogi GOTCHA!! 🤙🤙🇸🇮💛🇫🇷

[@silverarrowslk]

Around 35 minutes in the guys discuss the evolution of bike racing and all aspects that contribute to higher performance in both amateur and professional events. The single and most important contribution to this, is that of riding to the numbers (power). I can see at amateur level the big influence of online traning platforms such as Zwift too. It’s all about the numbers. No guess work or relying on feel or perceived effort. The numbers don’t lie and now riders are training to achieve the power necessary for them to go faster. I feel this is the most significant contributor for the rapid increase in pace in both amateur and pro races. Also the use of gels to keep carbohydrate levels high, so less of a reliance on burning fat as a fuel source for they are constantly topping up glycogen stores.

[@geckokoomoa579]

Third week in the Alps will be the test for all the GC contenders

[@user-oj1me3vo5l]

Don’t don’t forget in the past TP had to fight Jumbo on his own.

[@christopheralix8554]

25:11 this is exactly what UAE planned for. He can’t attack because UAE is too strong overall in the mountains. Yates, solair, TP etc. best case for Visma is Jonas stays up front, but UAE is gonna attack him to death. But Jonas will still do good because he doesn’t take the bait and he is hard.

[@brucegelman5582]

I predict Remco will beat out Vingo for 2nd.

[@mickelkobeck7376]

FINI...despite what Jonah says.

[@n.heroep2786]

I’m still waiting on “lack of preparation = lack of preparation.” Every ;ogic tells that in a race of attrition, less prepaparation = less base. Either, today is what Jonas can do, but he’ll dose those effort for the rest of mountain stage (being consistent), or eventually Giro fatique fnaly knocking Pogacar’s door = fading. So tomorrow will be a telling if Jonas can drop or not. Tomorrow will be hot (favor Jonas), and multiple longer mountain that suit Jonas. If he is, then VL will become the cycling most genius team for figureing out how to prepare a guy with a hole in his lung to beat the best rider in the world in 6 weeks.

[@paulsolon6229]

Johan vingegaard told you prob w terrain today, you didn’t hear Downhill helped pogacar, v said. Tomorrow, v said, no downhill last climb

[@renzob1387]

I am convinced that no one wants to talk about it and that significant progress has been made also in medicine and doping. Too many are closely tied to the honey pot, just like this podcast.

[@Vlad88822]

Haha..., Modern cycling is fast my ass. Wonder why ??

[@luisfer14240]

👍🏻

[@josecabrera-he1xb]

Wait for mañana

[@J-cz7yv]

What happens tomorrow?

[@paulsolon6229]

Vingegaard has to be ready for more of Yates going up road. When pogacar goes to meet up w Yates this move only helps p if v loses the wheel of p. If v stays on the wheel, p gets no advantage from Yates. Stay on that wheel v. Have p pull you to Yates. Stay on the wheel, to Yates.

[@timliscum2861]

WVA wont make it to the valley with the Peloton

[@5508Vanderdekken]

lol why not

[@timliscum2861]

@@5508Vanderdekken 2 really steep climbs and hes been dropping like a rock unless he thinks he can sprint for a win

[@n.heroep2786]

WVA goal is Road Race Olympic and world champion. His prep of the Tour aren’t best, so he wasn’t going to be flying in the mountain like he used to be. So I don’t see WVA will be climbing help tomorrow to help Jonas. His form isn’t there for climbing. But for sprint and classic type stages.

[@SuperNoname17]

Win the Tour at the end of the 2nd week ?? Dream on ,however the líder now "only" was to follow the wheel, those who want to win the Tour must attack and try to get some time !! POGI also needs to keep some reserves to the last stages, if he doesn't want to go to the ITT with 2 minutes gap ,a puncture, a mechanical issue or even a small crash and his to minutes might not be enough!! For now he "only"has to follow try to keep his shape!!

[@Calidastas]

So these guys are breaking records set by EPO doped riders but they’re all clean. 🤣 😂 🤣

[@thart6103]

It’s the nutrition 😂

[@mitjaosterman3534]

Nobady talks about the essential, but we all know what it is. Of course it's hard to speculate, but who else but Jochan could talk about this..?

[@cgtnetwork]

😅

[@DittersGustav]

Yeah, the first 13 are not normal, enhancements have evolved in 23 years

[@Tyson19882]

Modern cycling is faster. Equipment is better. Nutrition is better. And the doping is still there. No point looking at times and speeds, it’s power data you want to look at

[@michaelwolfganglassalle1435]

Nowadays, it is not called doping, they optimize nutrition. Everything what is not illegal is nutrition, for example Ketone. Too much Ketone, you will have a physiological problem, like Tadej in the last Tour, loosing feeling in the muscles. All use Nutrition, Visma openly admit that they are in forefront of Nutrition. Jonas power values at the last Tour during the Time Trial, never achieved before and after, are certainly related too some legal juice, call it Nutrition . Of course, mechanical doping, the modern bicycles are insane…

[@annaak7849]

What's your take on Jonas looking so malnourished? To me this year he looks like a concentration camp survivor and it's scary his team seems to maybe even push this? Not sure what's going on

[@annaak7849]

I wonder if he deals with anorexia?

[@LadyBird-n2t]

The speed and level of his recovery is also just not LEGIT... yeah call it nutrition.. and you're right Visma does brag about it.. remember they used to be Robobank.. one of the biggest dopers around..

[@WerdnaLiten]

All sports progress, why shouldn't pro cycling? Lets be honest, for too long, it was quite amateur, and very traditional.....now it's finally catching up with big money sports.

[@kevincockburn7805]

If it was that amateur then all the sports doctors from cycling would not now be the sports doctors for the top european football teams. Cycling has always been the teat bed for "sports medicine".

[@eltribun]

covid here covid there.... the easiest excuse to pull riders or to just drop out for other reasons... so riduculous...

[@christianmunk-christensen6568]

JB: Pogacar beat Lance's record on Pla d'Adet by 2 minutes. Bruynell: It's evolution. It's better bikes and better clothes. 13 guys beat Lance's record, so are they also not normal? It's just French haters. Me: The human race evolves over 1000s of years, and not from one generation to the next. Bikes look different than what they did at the time of Lance, but they still weigh the same and the riders can choose any gearing they like, so fundamentally bikes have not really changed much in terms of going up the mountains. What has changed about the bikes is the fact that the frames are fat and the rims are fat so it is possible to hide a lot of technology in the bikes now. Aero might have improved from better clothing but as they are going uphill at low speeds aero doesn't matter so much and can in no way explain how it was possible to beat the record of uberdoped Lance in 2001. I am not a hater, but I am highly skeptical of the records which are set. Bruynell must think we are idiots since he tries to explain it by evolution and aerodynamics. I am a big fan of Bruynell but it would look good if he was a bit more realistic in trying to explain what's going on.

[@heidewatzka]

Its not about how strong is Pogacar, its how "weak" is Vingegaard is at the moment. Everybody improved there numbers, only Jonas stayed arround his usual numbers. And he was improving his numbers this year before the crash. Its imossible, that Jonas can win this Tour, if Tadej is on his peak. Only if Jonas can also get to 98-100% he can win, and then he also can make up the 2 Minutes. And I can not stand this hyping of Tadej anymore, that he is so great and so much better. He is great but he is not better then Jonas in a 3 week tour. The opposit is the case. And its clear to see. A Jonas that has only 1,5 month a racing/training in his legs is the secound best guy right now at the tour. Thats impossible, if you are not the best. And i doubt, that he can win it...I even would not wonder, if he would break down. That would be absolut normal. And please Stop that hyping arround Remco and his first our de France. Its his 5´th Grand Tour participation. Do you know how many Tadej needed at his first Tour...One! Jonas...Two (maybe only one, if he would nat had the helper role in his first tour)! But all of a sudden, if th name Remco pops up at The Move, its so great what Remco is doing. Remco is good...a super cyclist. But its not that special what he is doing.

[@zoranvalencic4679]

Calm down...pls.....everyone has his/her own opinion... and by my humble opinion Pogi is by far better rider compered with your favorite....

[@bojandolinar1535]

You are comparing total amount of GT participation for Remco and only Tours for Pogi and Jonas. Compare apples to apples

[@heidewatzka]

@@zoranvalencic4679 He is not my favorite rider :D. So calm down...pls...and you can have your opinion, no problem. Overall by the way I think Tadej is the supirior rider too ;-). But i have no problem to stay objective.

[@heidewatzka]

@@bojandolinar1535 What? Before Tadej won the Tour, he only participate at the vuelta and then won the tour. Same with Jonas, he was on the vuelta as a nobody and did nothing, then at the Tour as a nobody and helper and still got 2´end place in his 2´end GT participation and sofore 2´end on his first participation at the Tour. That shows me, that you did not your homework and only see "Remco here, Remco there".

[@bojandolinar1535]

@@heidewatzka No, I assumed you meant the first Tour as a first participation. You also wrongly assumed I am Remco fan.

[@paulsolon6229]

Pogacar has improved in high mtns. My error, I didn’t think he cd keep up w vingegaard much less beat him Kuss is missed! Absence has cost v approx 40-60 sec