Modern Entertainment Has No Cultural Impact

[@hellowell3743]

My _normie_ parents said the other day they can't remember a single good movie in years and have gone back to watching "the classics" and their old DVD collection from when movies were actually good. That's how you know the industry has completely lost the plot. They lost the interest of casual viewers who used to enjoy going to the movies every week.

[@Adelina-293]

I'm doing the same, my parents and I basically are rewatching 30s and 40s films.

[@fattiger6957]

People don't need modern entertainment since we have 100 years of entertainment to look back on and explore. I hardly watch any new movies or shows. I can count on two fingers how many times I go to the movie theater a year nowadays. I just watch old stuff now. I've been on a 80s and 90s anime kick for a few years now. I discover great series all the time and I don't think I'm going to run out of things to watch any time soon.

[@davelowe1977]

My cutoff is 1999.

[@Level_Eleven]

@@davelowe1977 You must give the Lord of the Rings trilogy a chance if you haven’t seen it

[@jamad-y7m]

It’s gonna get worse with AI. Just wait until we have Fortnite type movies that are just mash ups of Peter Griffin, Gandalf and Batman or whatever

[@sole__doubt]

When "artists" prioritize not offending anyone they wind up pleasing no one.

[@mymangodfrey]

I actually get the impression that corporate filmmakers are eager to offend certain audiences.

[@sole__doubt]

@@mymangodfrey Fair enough, everyone except straight white men.

[@glennross85]

Everyone except SWM

[@philyeary8809]

​@@mymangodfreyyes. But won't let anything offend them....strange days..

[@sole__doubt]

@@glennross85 I tried to say that but my comment was deleted. I guess I shouldve abbreviated it.

[@Iron-Bridge]

Completely agree with " can't build the house but only willing to rearrange the furniture ".

[@umwha]

Imagine todays teens. Raised on the Rey trilogy, Avatar (the blue people), ghostbusters, and Rings of Power. Imaige how shallow their imaginations are. Imagine how these influences will effect the art that the young generation will create later. Imagine what seeing this standard of media as normal will do to our culture and politics.

[@tigrafrog]

Smart ones can separate grain from chaff if they know that grain exist. Don't imagine, help them with a good book (I mean a book from numbers of great authors, not "good book"). If they can grind through all Tolkien / all Glen Cook, they will be fine. Books 500% more important than any serials. Without good books I'll be average glued-to-TV-golem/zombie.

[@EJ_Red]

IMO I think Avatar can serve as a decent guide for aspiring Sci-Fi writers who are trying to worldbuild their story, I remember picking up a book when the first film came out about the world of Pandora, the tech the RDA used, etc and being enamored with what I was reading. It is really the only reason why I wasn't bothered by the fact the Hallelujah Mountains were floating because I knew it was via magnetism while my friend never read it and still questioned it until I explained it to him.

[@inendlesspain4724]

Most young people don't even watch modern films, because even they can tell they're trash and have far better alternatives at their disposal anyway. Modern "mainstream" entertainment is so culturally irrelevant it can't even negatively influence the youth.

[@fattiger6957]

There's also the problem that much of modern film is based on Millennial and Gen X nostalgia. Gen Z and Alpha don't have any emotional connection to things from the 80s or 90s. They didn't grow up with Ghostbusters or Terminator. They only know Star Wars as bad Disney movies some people pretend to like. The lack of original content has surely turned off at least a couple generations.

[@GerardMenvussa]

Agreed, kids have better things to do. I can't think of a single youngling around me who cares about modern cinema. They have plenty to keep themselves occupied with games, social media and more.

[@MrPmcMcMental]

It’s the celebrities I just cannot stomach anymore, they live lives full of absolute privilege…. But make it their part time job to lecture us about everything, politics, climate change, social justice, morality and everything else they can think of …. But if you shine a little spotlight on them behind closed doors….. at best they are absolute hypocrites or worse, they engage or remain silent about literal atrocities committed by insiders to their cult ! I have so many on my personal boycott list, it’s hard to watch anything new or old now that’s mainstream!

[@SeasideDetective2]

So even what they created when they were younger is retroactively tainted for you?

[@MrPmcMcMental]

@ Sometimes, really depends on who .

[@datprawn4850]

Ironic, because actors were usually frowned upon in society during ancient and medieval times because of their notorious streak of swindling to make a living.

[@JoshuaCunningham-c6p]

Someone ought to tell liberals to check their privilege.

[@NeuroHead]

That comparison you did with the crappy modern dance music versions of old songs is perfect. This is exactly how i feel about modern entertaiment.

[@pilouuuu]

Modern Hollywood feels like Ray Gun's breakdance performance.

[@Sidera17]

Yes I felt that analogy viscerally!

[@gabrielamontiel2828]

I think this may be the reason why Nick Cage has shifted to more odd films-he knows in the echo chamber of Hollywood where nothing will make cultural impact, his performance in these odd type of films will make a cultural footprint

[@JamesScottSelfDefense19]

Willy's Wonderland is such a great film.

[@motherplayer]

That and he gets to be choosy on what he works on again now that he's no longer tied down with debt, so the quality stands out a little better against his performances again. Just the last couple of years alone, he's been solid in "Sympathy For The Devil", "Longlegs" and "Dream Scenario", in my opinion, of course. They go beyond watchability for wacky meme Cage, they are interesting in their own rights too.

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT ECHO CHAMBERLAIN WORK.

[@RealRoknRollr3108]

Could be the fact hes a very odd dude himself and is totally aware and fine with this. I want to see him do Shakespeare though

[@ryucartel351]

Color Out of Space and Mandy 👍🏻

[@eyerollthereforeiam1709]

I saw the original Star Wars as a kid in the 70's. To this day, I remember every sight and sound, the smell of the popcorn, and the the stickiness of the floor. Very few movies in last ten years or so leave any real impression on me.

[@mattwuk]

I was going to write this almost word for word myself, you beat me to it by 5 minutes 😄

[@gripper85]

Holy shit,as an 80s kid i had the same experience

[@BleachDemon707]

Sure ya did 🙄​@@mattwuk

[@davelowe1977]

I can't think of a film made this century that's any good. What holds a candle to Matrix, Pulp Fiction, Trainspotting etc?

[@mattwuk]

@@BleachDemon707 did you make this comment out of jealousy or something? Or are you just a bellend? 😂

[@inadisguise9824]

Modern entertainment is failing because they are no longer making entertainment just to entertain, to tell a good story. Modern entertainment is now trying to change people minds on political and ideology ideas through entertainment. People want something to entertain them, distract them from the real world just for a little while, but thats no longer what entertainment is doing.

[@SeasideDetective2]

The worst part is that so many people are looking to Donald Trump as some sort of cultural savior, even though his second presidential term is not going to help redeem our culture. In fact, I believe that most creative types today - including people I know personally - consider Trump to be the modern-day embodiment of both Joseph McCarthy and the Hays Production Code, and are only going to continue to double down on defying him as he grows more popular. Entertainment became more countercultural after Ronald Reagan was elected, and a similar phenomenon is happening today. We all need to remember that, at least in a democratic society, politics and culture are different things, and the president cannot control the culture. We must fix each of those two worlds one at a time, and not necessarily with the same strategies.

[@phillipwarner4062]

100% agree but it's worse than just that. Even if they got away from the messaging, main stream writers are just bad. I've seen a few movies and shows without it and they are still terrible.

[@rokasdobrovolskis]

Social engineering. Cultural subversion. Jewllywood is trying to bring authoritarianism. They are destroyers of everything good and beautiful.

[@project9701]

No, most cosplayers would show so much more respect and effort in their creation than what these people are doing.

[@jmace2424]

The absolutely unbelievable decadence of these studios wastes so many resources that talented people could use to make the next Star Wars.

[@jamad-y7m]

Why the f do we need ANY more Star Wars?

[@mxtoastytoad]

@@jamad-y7m That's just it! Think about why you're saying (typing) that. Before episode 8, you'd've probably been ecstatic at the prospect of any more Star Wars! -Yo'ster

[@jaywo527]

​@jamad-y7m I read this as making a new film with the impact and cultural relevance of Star Wars rather than another instalment in the series.

[@oranjpeel]

What Disney did to Star Wars is unforgivable. It used to be one of my favorite things growing up, now I really couldn’t care less. As soon as Andor Season 2 is over I’m completely done with Star Wars.

[@gd515051]

People still discuss the shining the thing Blade Runner terminator, predator aliens, no one talks about avatar. No one even knows the characters names and yet it’s one of the highest grossing films of all time. The only thing discusses about it is how much money it made.

[@ahmataevo]

The only thing anyone remembers is blue sav-natives good, white humans bad.

[@bullymaguire71352]

Puss in Boots: The Last Wish is my favourite movie of this current decade so far. Genuinely hope that one sticks around for more to see

[@AudioEpics]

Yeah! I really liked that one too!

[@purr_purr_meow_meow]

Very based. Just saw it 1 months ago and it was outstanding ❤

[@gripper85]

@@bullymaguire71352 puss in boots was actualy kl

[@oranjpeel]

The Last Wish is a phenomenal film that completely blew away my expectations. Best movie of 2022 (and perhaps my favorite of the decade) hands down.

[@hugovandyk9918]

It is definitely an all time favorite of mine since I first saw it. That whole movie was woven like an intricate tapestry, with meaning and symbolism all interwoven within the writing, the visuals, the audio and the character arcs, all then coming together at the end to a satisfying conclusion. The comic art style looks odd at first but quickly grows on you and then you notice the attention to detail on split second scenes... Beautiful, you could watch the movie five times and pick up a detail you missed the first four times. It is layer upon layer of detail. The characters had personality beyond the 'stereotype' or role they filled in the movie and dealt with issues as people do, not as characters are 'expected' to. This movie used the subversion of expectation right. E. G. The 'comic relief' character who in one scene actually got serious and helped their friend when they truly needed it. There was no joke made to break the tention of the scene... It feels like it has been years since I last saw movie of this calibre of writing. I never expected that I'd genuinely be excited to see what comes next for this side character from Shrek 2.

[@svjim1]

The trouble is young people live too much in the bubble of today and don't realize how lame their current entertainment is because they don't check out what's gone before. Wokeness sameness bleakness nothingness. It's like everything these days is created using the same template that requires it to be made in the same way.

[@Rob-uv6fb]

When you said Cosplay that really hit home with how these modern productions felt, all visual, no substance.

[@ShemPayne]

When did every man in Star Wars turn into C-3PO?

[@riffmondo9733]

The same reason so many industries are failing: ESG Scores and the DEI that comes with it. Look at Budweiser, Target, the entire auto industry (except the savvy Japanese).

[@zhouenlai2569]

What's "Target"?

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

​@@zhouenlai2569A chain of retail stores in the US.

[@RogerCaplan]

@@zhouenlai2569 It's a US retail chain.

[@warhorrorspondent]

When the creative handlers of a new adaptation of an old IP start said adaptation with a default dismissiveness towards the longstanding substance of the IP, all that is left for the "audience" to do is be dismissive towards the new non adaptation

[@Gametester110-qf8vs]

You're NOT supposed to have your own views and opinions. This is wrong. You're SUPPOSED to believe and spend money on, what THEY SAY you need too.

[@mabusestestament]

I’m a movie buff, I watch movies all the way back from the silent era to current movies. I have developed a good intuition of movies that I’ll probably like or love, so since we are living in an age in which movies from all over the world and from pretty much the beginning of cinema are relatively easy to get a hold of, current movies need to really pique my interest if they want to compete with the vast amount of great works of movie history. That’s not easy.

[@christopherkelley1664]

Pique, not peak

[@mabusestestament]

@@christopherkelley1664 Okay thanks bro🍻

[@louyou6614]

@mabusestestament tbr isn't the bad old movies even from like 2000 going to fall into mediocrity oblivion leaving the cool or interesting stuff While now we don't have rime curating

[@dfordiligence2398]

"get a hold of", not "get a hold off"

[@mabusestestament]

@@dfordiligence2398 Thanks sweetheart

[@TheSkepticalPanda]

It's a good thing none of these horrible messages and bizarre, antisocial ideologies promoted by Hollywood are gaining traction among the wider culture.

[@Notaripoffbruh]

What specific ideaologies are you mentioning?

[@TheSkepticalPanda]

@Notaripoffbruh oh a KZbin reply guy in 2024. How interesting.... 🕵️‍♂️ Here he'll pretend he has no idea what's going on in the world and needs you to spell it out for him like he's a grade school student.

[@Notaripoffbruh]

@@TheSkepticalPanda nigga all I did was ask 😭

[@Notaripoffbruh]

@ how is it that Libs can get offended at every single occurrence and question? How are you Snowflakes even able to take yourselves seriously?

[@SammEater]

​​@@TheSkepticalPandaFunny how there is always a "define what is woke" or a "what specific thing" posts always appearing when someone says this stuff. It is almost like the clowns want you to answer just so that they can go "nuh uh. That is not what X thing is, it is 'insert something else here' ". A very stupid tactic to derail anyone throwing a spotlight to the problem.

[@kenstrumpf909]

Films like Airplane, The Princess Bride and Office Space are regularly quoted. What film from the past 10 years has dialogue anyone quotes?

[@motherplayer]

Whiplash-"Not Quite My Tempo...."

[@louyou6614]

@kenstrumpf909 tbr I see some people quoting dune succession games of thrones , and I have the high ground from idk what star wars movie , some quote from marvel Tbr depend of the circles you run in , the internet tiktok insta is full of reference Like Winter arc winter is coming was huge this yeat

[@louyou6614]

@kenstrumpf909 also hunger games I volunteer as a tribute Maybe it's an age thing I see people quoting stuff all the time Dune also

[@Crime_Mime]

Somehow, Palpatine returned

[@louyou6614]

@@kenstrumpf909 I have the high ground I am groot

[@fojisan2398]

You know how movies from the 80s had such iconic scenes and were so quotable (Star Wars, Terminator, Evil Dead, etc.)? We quote them because they were badass, cold, and just the right amount of snarky. Now we quote movies ironically cuz their dialogue is so awful that we laugh at it.

[@Guigley]

One of the biggest problems is that there is simply too much of everything. Standing out from the endless river of films, TV shows, and streaming platforms is extremely difficult.

[@therokku7393]

Yeah, it doesnt matter if you make an extremely good product, the month the season ends you already have people forgeting it or over analyzing it, its hard to keep momentum when in every instance there is competition, to youtube and instagram for example in different kinds of content, today i see series that are called masterpieces in just three chapters, and people throw under the bus in the third chapter too bcs "it is to slow", everyone has a voice now and that makes really hard to appreciate and distinguish.

[@nordicnostalgia8106]

It feels like quantity is king now, not quality

[@Winterclaw42]

Part of me wants to say Godzilla Minus One may have had at least a little footprint. No one was expecting a human element in a giant stompy monster movie.

[@seregrian5675]

I agree! So many people I've watched reactions to "Minus One" said it was a great story that happened to have a monster in it. It's the storytelling that's died out from the world

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

Godzilla movies have always had a human element but most of the time that part of the movie is pretty mediocre. Minus One pulled off the trick of having both the human element and the monster be equally good.

[@gripper85]

@@Winterclaw42 youve got the coolest name

[@MrLuckytrucker21]

I'm tired of girl-boss movies, there, I said it!

[@NessunDorma732]

Agree 100%

[@curtiszilla9192]

Wow so sigma

[@theUnknown-oz9dh]

So am I!

[@bullymaguire71352]

​@@curtiszilla9192 I'm tired of THAT shit too

[@KnightEclipser]

You act like movies with female protagonists or action heroines are inherently bad.

[@HarryPrimate]

In any of these universes, Star Wars, Star Trek, or Tolkien, they could have created new characters and written stories. Instead they decided that they needed to “ fix “ the original.

[@A7XKoRnRocks1]

Agreed to everything except for Dune. Dune has done so much for recent Space Fantasy that Star Wars has not done in the last 12 years.

[@jameslough6329]

FACTS

[@Ozz-kv5wr]

Same Dune especially part 2 were amazing flicks maybe Oppenheimer in there too but overall its plain sad that modern cinema is so forgettable

[@Richforce1]

Sorry but gender swapping Liet Kynes, dealbreaker.

[@thomriley1036]

It would be an interesting social experiment to go back in a time machine and abduct Frank Herbert from the early 1960's, then come back and see if Star Wars and much of what followed it even existed.

[@marekkapusta9597]

​​@@thomriley1036 Please no! Herbert's books were a source of inspiration for people who made the Rouge Trader, which later spawned Warhammer franchise. I need my plastic armies!

[@tmrezzek5728]

Spot-on for every point! A friend of mine recently watched Once Upon A Time In The West (1968) for the first time and loved everything about it: the real sets, the deliberate pace with well-placed action, and especially Ennio Morricone's operatic score. If you made this film today, the woke crowd would shit barbed wire and trip over themselves to get it canceled, claiming it either gave them PTSD or Henry Fonda's cold-blooded killer should've been a Strong Gay Female Lead ("Put a chick in it and make her gay!" - South Park)

[@AkamoriArt]

I can't think of a single western movie of the modern era that will be remembered or written about in 20-30 years.

[@jameslough6329]

Dune Part 2

[@KnightEclipser]

Oppenheimer and Top Gun: Maverick

[@SamuraiShampoo77]

Blade runner 2049, The Lighthouse, The Revenant. There’s not many

[@magicjohnson3121]

Bone Tomahawk

[@louyou6614]

@@AkamoriArt the vvitch tho , hereditary , midsommar Whiplash, , dune., oppeinheimer There was ahunger game revival too

[@onionhat745]

Comparing it to a mass with no faith is a perfect analogy. It's a perfunctory acknowledgement of something better than itself.

[@nyariimani7281]

Modern entertainment shows how bigotry-pretending-to-be-against-bigotry controlled culture for a surprisingly long time.

[@jlovebirch]

Only those of a certain age will fully understand this, but each decade, from the '20s to the '80s, had a distinct cultural identity that vanished in the early '90s. For me, the past 3 decades has been a shapeless, same-looking block of time with very little cultural change and only political events, wars, disasters, and technology (the internet, etc.) to separate the years instead of the markers of cultural progress. (For example, an obscure movie from the '90s could be released today and more or less pass for a new film.)

[@ByTorSnowDog65098]

There certainly hasn’t been any change in pop music for decades now. There is no difference in pop from 2000 and 2024.

[@mxmxpr]

If one made an "American Graffiti" today, and set it as far back in the past as that film was when it was made, it would be set in 2013. A "Stand By Me" equivalent would be set in 1998. "Back to the Future" made today would go back in time to 1994.

[@jlovebirch]

@@mxmxpr Good observation. Imagine a remake of the "Happy Days" series set in that carefree, nostalgic era of 2013 -- the good old days when life was...er...different?

[@g_rec_attempt6782]

Modern movies truely are like sludge that is jsut tasteless, bland, forgetful. Designed to just eat away the time rather than leave a last impact.

[@lexvstee]

I would argue that this is just what they want. Consume product, then get excited for next product. Soul-less, but intentionally so. As long as the plebs keep paying.

[@bcal8118]

Your entire vocabulary consists of meme talking points and internet slang,go read a book

[@ahmataevo]

@@bcal8118 - Books are no good either. Radical misandrists have taken over publishing across the board.

[@Mr_Mistah]

​@@bcal8118 You should follow your own advice

[@GenralOrder24]

I think I was watching a Nerdrotic stream when they talked about Disney making a Star Wars and Marvel 24hr channel for Disney+. They wanted it to be second monitor content. That’s the problem, they don’t have the same goal as they used to. They figure no one will really pay attention anyway, it just has to look pretty. Also I take issue with the insult to Ford Escort engines. They try their best.

[@EJ_Red]

I am not defending Disney's decision for this but to be fair, there are times "second monitor content" makes what you are doing on your primary monitor better and easier to deal with. At least for me as I enjoy watching old films and history videos and video game analysis stuff on my second monitor. I have done it many times in college when writing papers or doing assignments, and I was even doing it when playing through the story of the latest WoW expansion cause it was that boring to me. I just wanted to say that "second monitor content" is always a bad/brainrot thing, it is just there to provide (Sometimes additional) entertainment to what you are doing.

[@GenralOrder24]

@ Yeah, I like second monitor content. Most of what I watch on KZbin is like that. I’m not trying to put it down. I’m just saying that Hollywood thinks since people aren’t really watching it intently, it doesn’t matter if it’s good. Star Wars (or anything) should not be made with that attitude.

[@EJ_Red]

@@GenralOrder24 Alright then yeah, I agree with you with that kind of context. And it does not surprise me Disney would consider switching to that kind of "content" to give to customers, I read somewhere that Crunchyroll was thinking of switching to anime that had short episodes (4-5 minutes).

[@Adelina-293]

Old Star Wars memes: The X is strong with this one, You don't know the power of the dark side, boring conversation anyway, I'm altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further. New Stars Wars memes:

[@Matt-vh2ci]

REEEEEY

[@Veylon]

Luke drinking blue milk Luke tossing the lightsaber "They fly now!?"

[@Amadourrr]

SOMEHOW X HAS RETURNED *Crowd laughing loudly*

[@anonmouse956]

I’ve been thinking about this for a year now. After every movie, I can barely remember it even an hour later, even the ones I enjoyed watching.

[@ramons8908]

They don't understand the idea of a target audience any more, it's just making a show or movie for "the largest possible audience" or even worse, the audience that reflects the people making the show, very rich old women trying to make sci-fi. There is no imagination in any of it, it's all just taking old stories and trying to make them super woke, like anyone, but the people making it wants this. Streaming services gave us the promise of watching what we wanted, when we wanted, instead what we got was endless new subscriptions with nothing worth watching.

[@markmunroe-hz8rf]

The problem with modern mainstream entertainment is that it is too safe. Writers are no longer creative nor take risks. That is why I prefer indie comics and shows and movie, as well as fan stories of franchises. They break the mold to be different. It is any wonder folks prefer old school music, TV, movies and games?

[@superspicysoysauce8231]

Irony that modern liberal writers achieve what the old conservative censors wanted.

[@louyou6614]

@markmunroe-hz8rf creative do create daring stuff.... that don't get green lit because the executives rather have something appealing to the left and the right ? At the same time ? So it feel disingenuous

[@thefilthyrhombus3856]

It's a far cry from the 00s, that's for sure. The 00s were probably the last great decade for cultural impact. You had the Prequels, the LOTR trilogy, the Harry Potter films, Elf, Tropic Thunder, Pirates of the Caribbean, Passion of the Christ, nearly every Pixar film, Kill Bill, Inglorious Basterds, V for Vendetta, 300, the emerging superhero genre with the X-Men movies, Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy, Batman Begins and the Dark Knight, and of course Ironman. Moving into the 10s really the superhero genre became the overwhelmingly dominant presence in terms of cinematic cultural impact. Both very positive with the MCU and fairly negative with the DCEU. Then, of course, there's Disney Star Wars, which was very impactful but in an immensely negative way. As it is given that younger generations didn't care about Disney Star Wars and older generations prefer it didn't exist, it's very likely that any cultural relevance for Star Wars will end with the Prequels. Aside from that, really, you had Game of Thrones. Although it does seem like people have largely discarded it, I mean HotD isn't exactly a flop, but it's also nowhere near the juggernaut that GoT season 1-4 were. Lastly, the only one I can really think of is Stranger Things, which has definitely made an impact. Of course, the real test will be where it's at 5 years after its last season. Other than that, the only type of impact most things had ranged from slightly to severely negative and were forgotten very quickly, so what impact or influence it had on culture in general was fleeting. When you look at it, the two decades really are one of glaring contrast. The 00s being one of progress while the 10s being one of regress, and it's to point now where we're in a virtual wasteland. Ah well this has happened before and hopefully this wasteland will end soon and giveway to green pastures once more.

[@andrewbrennan2891]

I still recall the feeling of sheer apathy after the first Avatar film and I think back then going to the cinema was still a bit of an occaision. The last time I was as excited walking out of the cinema as I was going in, was all the LOTR trilogy.

[@michalsavatar7]

Maybe you're just a jaded person who's lost their inner child wonder.

[@andrewbrennan2891]

@@michalsavatar7 Yep maybe or maybe I just haven't seen a really good film in a long time. But don't let my views jaded and as lacking inner child as they may be keep you awake at night.

[@comyxcon4gaming860]

@@michalsavatar7 I hate that.

[@DmitriVanderbilt]

You think Hans Zimmer is mid?? Sit down and listen all the way through the Inception and Interstellar soundtracks and tell me with a straight face that his music is mid.

[@Sidera17]

I agree with you-- I think Hans Zimmer has always adapted to what movies want in the current moment, which is why his stuff now seems less memorable, because many scores seems to be minimal/repetitive or synthy/sound effect/rhythmically-driven. I forget he scored Gladiator, The Lion King, The Prince of Egypt, The Last Samurai. Fucking fantastic stuff but the movies were also *better* and required a different type of score. I miss the TYPE of scoring like this, orchestral with melody, rhythm, harmony, clear motifs, when appropriate to a movie. Also I miss real instruments, not just synths. I'm assuming it is too expensive to produce scores this way and the types of movies being made are not suited for them.

[@tasamolic]

​@@Sidera17Definitely, he's a professional after all, so sometimes a job is just a job. But even his recent work has some gems! Dunkirk, Sherlock Holmes, Man of Steel, Interstellar, Blade Runner 2049, Dune...

[@Sidera17]

@@tasamolic Admittedly, I'm not deeply into what I consider "true sci-fi," (I'm a Star Wars girl which is epic fantasy in space, Star Trek and The Expanse, etc, are sci-fi for me lol), so I haven't heard a lot of these newer scores. I've heard parts of the Interstellar score, which seems to have that modern minimalism vibe which really grabs you given the subject matter. There's that additive hint of a Phillip Glass/Arvo Pärt feel to it. It's kind of haunting in an unearthly but also "inorganic"/technological way.

[@tailfin6595]

Yes. And I’m tired of pretending he isn’t.

[@DmitriVanderbilt]

@tailfin6595 what's your fav film soundtrack

[@spamfritters1]

What a very eloquent way to say "it sucks". Bravo 👏

[@AudioEpics]

I think you made some great points about why modern movies fail to invoke real emotion. The biggest problem I have with modern movies and series (like RoP) is that I don't care about what happens to the characters, because they are just unlikeable. Not only has modern culture on screen lost its soul, but literature and music has as well, in my opinion. Part of the reason why my husband and I started publishing our own fantasy stories is because we were disappointed with modern entertainment. We want entertainment to be fun and we want fantasy to be escapist and immersive. We don't think that good entertainment needs modern identity (or any other form of) politics in them or needs to lecture people in any way. Hollywood actors and directors seem to think artistic skills come with all the divine knowledge to rule the world and we are all just their naive Padawans feeding on their inexhaustable insights. Also, there is an abundance of stuff nowadays. While all the buzz used to come from just a handful of blockbusters in the theatres, now it's just one Netflix show or film after another leaving the assembly line. People rarely watch the same stuff anymore because there is so much out there. I don't see why traditional storytelling and modern technology couldn't make each other stronger. I'm so tired of the mindless CGI hatred and I actually loved the classic trailers with a narrator, that often started off with "In a world". They gave you an impression of the mood and tone of the movie and triggered your curiosity. Modern trailers are loud and usually spoil every single interesting event or line in the movie, which contributes to the actual movie being disappointing. As for music, I think there are still a lot of great soundtracks, but I don't like the modern trends in film scores. While I dont' dislike Hans Zimmer, it's true that some of his more modern scores almost make you forget he created masterpieces like the scores from The Lion King, The Prince of Egypt and Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End. I laughed out loud seeing that poster with "Women Talking: Inspired by True Events". And I truly believe there are creators out there who still want to create original worlds and tell timeless stories. I know I want to.

[@victorcates9330]

Genres give you a lot of potential. If you looked at the western, or fantasy film, or science fiction, you could write tens of thousands of pages on what they can do (what element of the human experience or soul their cinematic language is for). If you eliminate subversions for a second, you could just execute a genre film. If you're familiar with south park, there's a scene in one episode where they get in various filmmakers. Eventually, they get in Mel Gibson, who is stark raving mad. However, they make an assessment that everything else aside he knows story structure. By modern standards, that's a high compliment. If you assume Gibson is (only) a moderate talent, his films (passion, apocalypto, hacksaw ridge) probably tower over what a lot of what passes for entertainment. On his day, Gibson is decent and competent. That puts him north of JJ Abrams. Reworking old media means that you're potentially exploring the themes and ideas that animated humans for hundreds of years. Modern cinema might be exploring the ideas that emerged in academia or a HR seminar.

[@fattiger6957]

But JJ Abrams has the greatest superpowers in Hollywood, Nepotism and Cronyism!

[@floydffrogfloydffrog7453]

The term "Modern Culture" is an oxymoron.

[@peloi111]

I haven't been to a cinema since before 2016, but I keep discovering and ordering amazing movies from 1950- 1990s. I don't even waste my time with Netflix or any streaming stuff, I watch what I want.

[@danielleclark-zack864]

Art requires variety, there's no variety anymore. No contrasting opinions, just boot licking.

[@MrCroky123]

Timeless ... that's the word! Not the every nowadays that sums up little or even nothing. What matters in entertainment is what lasts and outlasts, what is always truth and a fact. Thank you...

[@mrnobody4125]

This is actually been a comfort to me many times recently. So much junk comes out but I know that it will be swiftly forgotten that's most things are and the truly great will continue to persist through the years. Most people have already forgotten many of the great cinematic crimes of the last ten years.

[@hungchoonghow5857]

This video meant that I have lived through the Golden Age of great Hollywood movies (born 1975- present time). Wow, it's like a wake for myself but I am still alive. (When did it all ended? 2016? Again?)

[@PakoVero]

Kind so, it started about 2012 and it take a rush after 2016

[@Tom_Quixote]

I think a big part of it is just that modern people are so oversaturated with entertainment that nothing really affects or excites them anymore. If the whole Star Wars franchise had not begun in the seventies, but today, would they make much impact?

[@MrPGC137]

OTOH, you have a movie like "Godzilla Minus One" which, almost a whole year later, fans are *_STILL_* talking about how good it was! (Of course, it wasn't an American movie, which explains a lot...)

[@LJW1912]

Also worth noting, to play devil's advocate, is that episodes of Twin Peaks were directed by several people over it's twenty-odd episodes

[@fattiger6957]

I heard that David Lynch's contribution to the second season (of the og series) was minimal at best. Probably why that season sucked.

[@dribblesg2]

@@fattiger6957indeed. Then he came back for the finale which was a banger.

[@clergyman-4281]

"Watching movies when I was a kid was more exciting and sparked my imagination more than the movies do now." Childhood experiences always feel different to adult experiences. "I remember my first several times on a rollercoaster as a 10 year old, but now I'm in my 30s each visit to the amusement park blends into one"

[@fattiger6957]

I think even jaded adults can experience wonder and joy of discovery. I'm almost 40 and I can be pretty damn cynical, but I do feel joy when I discover something remarkable. It's rarer than when I was a kid, but it is still possible.

[@gripper85]

@@clergyman-4281 favourite film?

[@gripper85]

@@clergyman-4281 favourite movie?

[@Rapidcouplescounselling]

I agree with everything in this video with the exception of Hans Zimmer. I think he's awesome and when you listen to Bach and then back to hans zimmer you can see where he gets his inspiration from.

[@jocky300]

Bloody marvelous and bang on the money as usual. Can I just say the way you talked about the process of writing quite recently on a Drinker, or Nerdrotic thing was absolutely inspiring and mesmerising by turns. It displayed a love of craft so deep I felt it should have been extolled from the comfort of a slightly beaten up Parker Knowles, by a crackling fire by someone visibly older than yourself.

[@EchoChamberlain]

Thanks!

[@scopedog9197]

Rebooting a shit IP every 2 years leads to poor sales?!? Wowsers...

[@isamu237]

I'm frequently reminded of Drinker's Why Modern Movies Suck video wherein he points out that the creators of the past lived actual lives while creators today are incredibly shallow, sheltered, and pampered. This is starkly seen in the Wheel of Time series which had to be finished by Brandon Sanderson after the untimely passing of Robert Jordan; and Sanderson is actually one of the better writers of the younger generations. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIqbkpypf998kLM

[@sigmapath1935]

I think 1917 and Waiting for the Barbarians are two great films that should have had a bigger impact than they did.

[@chasehedges6775]

Waiting For The Barbarians was fantastic. Loved Mark Rylance and Johnny Depp in it.

[@garlicgorilla6540]

1917 was anti German revisionist nonsense

[@EJ_Red]

1917 was my favorite film of 2020. Actually, I think it was the only film during that year but that is because films coming out do not interest me anymore. But yeah, 1917 should have made bigger impacts than they did, only explanation I can think of why it didn't was because it was a World War I film or it wasn't a superhero film,

[@newwavepop]

I keep trying to think of the last film that REALLY stuck with me and i keep coming back to "Children Of Men", that almost 20 years ago. I have never really liked kids and i have certainly never wanted kids, but i absolutely FEEL the despair of that world and the hopelessness of children not being born anymore and the end of humanity. and when she reveals her stomach to him my eyes well up and i FEEL his resolve. NOTHING else matters now, i must protect her and get her to safety and nothing is going to stop me. my life now has only one meaning, to ensure the safety of that child. the future of ALL humanity. HOPE. i feel hope.

[@yearight1205]

I'm currently in film school, and it's packed with people who seem more interested in using films to push a message than in crafting great stories. And what’s the message? The same one already saturating the industry. Programs like ESG and DEI have studios eagerly encouraging this trend. My goal, however, is to focus on storytelling-leaving my personal politics out of it. Movies should be an escape from reality, not a reminder of the filmmaker's agenda. Unfortunately, many filmmakers today have forgotten this, and it's part of why so many movies have lost their charm.

[@richardblackmore9351]

Men do not have a problem with strong female characters. I repeat: we do not have a problem with strong female characters. Many of us are dating or married to, the real life embodiment of strong female characters. That is why we were attracted to them. What we want is nuanced characters that we can relate to, and say, "yeah, she is just like my girlfriend and this really reinforces the narrative I saw her live in real life". We want to see reality. And I believe women also want to see this. Don't give me Rue who learns how to master the force in half an hour, and thereby completely defeats the purpose of a female lead. Give us the botanist from Jurassic Park. Attractive, as much for her brain as her face and body. She doesn't talk about being good at her job, she IS good at her job. And we see it in the film. It is saying a lot about an industry when a character from a movie that is more than twenty years old represents women in a better light than films coming out today.

[@halohalo86]

I recently watched "Alita: Battle Angel" for the first time, and I think Alita is the best written strong female character I've seen in a long time. It reminded me that we women can be strong, brave and heroic while at the same time be feminine, caring, nurturing and compassionate.

[@oranjpeel]

@@halohalo86 Love that movie. Wish it’d get a sequel. I think James Cameron said he was going to make another one. I hope it happens.

[@SamSchott1]

Brilliant! Seems like the only cultural footprints from modern entertainment are the ones made by competent reviewers like Echo Chamberlain, Critical Drinker, Nerdrotic, Mauler, and such.

[@oranjpeel]

There are a handful of great movies in the last few years-Puss in Boots: The Last Wish, Godzilla Minus One, Dune: Part Two, etc. Though most modern movies are average AT BEST. I wish we could get awe-inspiring classics again like Back to the Future, The Goonies (my favorite movie), Ferris Bueller’s Day Off, The Breakfast Club, Home Alone, Braveheart, Lord of the Rings, Gladiator, the list goes on and on.

[@fermentedcinema4892]

With this 99% The 1% I differ is Dune… those were great films. The tone matched the style and source material well. They weren’t a huge cultural event because I feel Dune is much more esoteric in interest than something like Star Wars or Indiana Jones.

[@markmcclellan1316]

Hans Zimmer is NOT mid.

[@mambi74]

One my favorite shows of all-time is The Expanse (Seasons 1-3). Also the Chernobyl mini-series is amazing - both massively underrated.

[@llaptoo]

I'm at a point where I'm baffled and confused when a new show or movie is actually fun and entertaining

[@ExtraordinaryJam]

You find anything fun and interesting?

[@tjsogmc]

Can't believe you missed "Puss in Boots 2: The Last Wish" as a modern movie that has heart and soul. It's among the best ever. And "Deadpool vs. Wolverine" is quite a good lightweight action entertainment. But 2 out of 4,000 is a shit ratio.

[@guidoivanmendez2354]

I`m glad i`m not the only one that sees the current costumes in media like expensive coisplay.

[@ashbirk4681]

Are we sure that that pink and purple trans stormtrooper paint is within Galactic Imperial regulations?

[@KnightEclipser]

What's wrong with Sister?

[@ashbirk4681]

@ I’m just saying that could end up in a uniform violation 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@RomanCigić]

An opressive regime that seeks control and coordination in the galaxy likes to show off an individual's sexual preference, apparently.

[@dylanhankinson2697]

2:06 - I've never seen a video sum up Hollywood that perfectly, it's so accurate

[@sgtaveryjohnson3803]

This is why many people gravitate to anime and manga, cause they are objectively good and generally consistent in quality.

[@Evan8787]

Most anime and manga is still crap. The good stuff is very good, but it is overwhelmed by a lot of garbage. Take off the rosy red weeaboo goggles.

[@fattiger6957]

They are also different. Japanese entertainment is made with a completely different cultural background and westerners (who are disillusioned with western entertainment) really enjoy that aspect. It's one of the reasons I am wary of western companies having a bigger influence on anime and manga. I don't want them to lose their soul. It's also why I hate people (usually westerners) trying to muddy the definition of anime. It really seems like it is a justification for cultural colonialism ("If anyone can make anime, then whatever slop me and my American buddies make is anime as long as the characters have big eyes!")

[@narudan]

@@Evan8787 animes and mangas have the problem that they often include too much fanservice that makes them bad really. However truly great mangas come out pretty consistently so it`s hard to really fault them for that. At least there are still some who experiment with new ideas unlike in the west.

[@-lord1754]

​@@narudanYou just dont get it lol. The fan service filters lib DEI types, thats why its still good.

[@narudan]

@@-lord1754 No they are good because they have worthwile stories. The fanservice might filter DEI types but it`s still cringe as hell.

[@VinceLyle2161]

Some KZbinr said modern entertainment is a cargo cult. Like the Pacific Islanders who saw supplies drop out of the sky from airplanes and built wooden replicas of the objects from which the gods dropped their blessing, today's entertainment industry has no idea how great art is made, how a movie can connect with an audience, but they do know how to write words and have them spoken by actors who are being filmed. So they do that, but these replicas of the real thing never work. The money and adulation never come, and they don't understand why not. So they keep trying to please the gods, hoping someday they'll get it right.

[@noneed4me2n7]

hadn’t really put that much thought into it but I feel you hit the nail on the head with your points. Other than a few exceptions most media as of late has zero staying power or lingers in your thoughts long after viewing. looked over your other content. think i’ll subscribe.

[@resistancepublishing]

There’s extremely very little in modern entertainment that’s made a lasting impact enough to influence the culture. People are still quoting movies from the 80’s and 90’s. Name 4 movies in the past 10 years that’s had that kind of impact

[@Avarn388]

You know what’s are the two films that I argue made an impact even if muted this year. The Wild Robot and Transformers one. The latter I saw this week and it was brilliant. It had no right to be as good as it was. It showed Optimus and Megatron’s rise and fall while also having some jaw dropping moments in terms of writing. For such a basic plot, there was care and effort put into that movie. I can’t say a lot of modern Hollywood has that nowadays. We used to get a handful of good movies amongst meh and bad. Now it’s mostly meh and bad.

[@vicenlorenzocreadoraudiovi9726]

Transformer One is marvel tier slop bro, sorry to break it to you.

[@Avarn388]

How? It’s a better movie than Deadpool and Wolverine in that it isn’t infuriatingly inconsistent from a plot and even character standpoint. Only things you could go after is that there are some contrivances at the beginning to kick off the inciting incident but other than that, it’s a pretty solid film.

[@jameslough6329]

@@vicenlorenzocreadoraudiovi9726 If Transformers One is Marvel Slop then so is Puss in Boots the Last Wish

[@DarrellTurnerJr]

I watched the 40th anniversary of Return of the Jedi in the theater in 2023. It was the best movie I saw in 2023. That about sums it up.

[@JohnDoe-tm9wz]

"Return of the Jedi" has always been a masterpiece 🙌🏻

[@Soundwave1of9]

Have to say, with a 9yo and a 7yo, Wonka was very good and made a big impact, they love all the songs. No, it didn't have the footprint of the original, but sequels rarely do. (yes there are exceptions).

[@drewdonald6260]

Dune (2021) was a bit meh. Dune: Part Two (2024) however, was actually fucking awesome!! Except maybe for Zendaya's lack of acting talent! But it DID have a lot of heart : )

[@lokimanezero]

One aspect not covered would be the multiverse-fication of modern media. Nearly everything is a crossover from different characters and parts of the universe or other IPs. This hardly allows for anything to even grow on it's own without it being supplemented by something established but unrelated.

[@scoobysnacksmax]

It's either zero creative originality or it's being buried into obscurity. I'm fatigued by remakes, trilogy's or other nonsenses. At on point I was subbed to every streaming service but after a while of scrolling through endless rows of garbage entertainment, I've cancelled them all and can't recall the last time I turned on my TV.

[@EJ_Red]

Something I believe to be the biggest flaw and mistake in modern entertainment, or at least opened the floodgates to more mistakes and potential failures, is the concept that everything needs sequels to keep the story dragging on or even needs a cinematic universe to be considered good by today's standards. Now there is nothing wrong with wanting stories continued through sequels, I love the Godfather trilogy; nor is there anything wrong with a "cinematic universe" as long as the creative idea and writing behind it stands strong, I love the original Planet of the Apes film series and the Reboot series. But what I like are just exceptions to the rule, or at least had a team that genuinely cared to provide quality entertainment and stories. I cannot remember who it was but a well known director/writer (I believe he was behind The Godfather actually) but he criticized how Star Wars had the Original trilogy then made Prequels in the early 2000s, and from then on the trend of "cinematic universes" began to take off. Just look at the MCU, even before Endgame it got so bloated that it achieved quantity over quality that only those who watched the films as they came out would enjoy it, now it has gotten worse that they keep pumping out shows and movies on Disney+ and it is barely watched by anyone except the very dedicated fans (And those that manage the wiki). Same thing happened with Star Wars in the past decade and most of its fans, old and new, have become disillusioned and left the IP for greener pastures; it is also thanks to poor management and direction from the top brass. Michael Bay even tried to do the same thing with Transformers by having The Last Knight be full of sequel bait As for sequels, they are being used like how DLCs are used for video games: write a long story then cut it up into separate but connected products and sell them individually. If a film's sequel(s) actually feel like good movies by themselves and feel you missed nothing that is fine, but it is not if you can tell they purposely cut it into parts to keep the hype going. An example on how sequels are good individual films are the Reboot Planet of the Apes films, Rise feels like a great story to tell on how the apes achieved sentience and you can walk away satisfied. Dawn comes along and continues it with said apes developing a civilization then getting embroiled in a war against the humans; despite the war's beginning, you can still walk away completely satisfied. Then War puts the entire trilogy to rest with the war ending, the apes finding a new home away from the humans, and Caesar passing away after knowing his people are safe and sound. But an example on how sequels are just being used to stretch out a story is Avatar: The Way of Water, I walked out of the theater feeling unsatisfied cause I knew it was only part of a story, nothing in that film felt wholly resolved outside of Jake Sully falling back into the fight. The MCU obviously falls under this as well when it comes to the whole Thanos and Infinity Stones arc but at least a good chunk of their earlier and mid films (Before Endgame) can serve as standalone movies for those not really wanting to get into the whole story; I watched Guardians of the Galaxy and it felt it was just another Sci-Fi flick.

[@chrisbfreelance]

I said to someone the other day that there are no 'Classics' anymore. I can watch a film or play a game now and never want to experience it again, there are little to no soulful experiences in entertainment anymore.

[@ExtraordinaryJam]

Yeah but then how should a human being entertain him or herself anymore?

[@Nicksonian]

Sears, K-Mart, Oldsmobile, Borders, Compaq, Kodak, Blockbuster, Toys r Us, etc. etc. are all brands that seemed as if they’d go on forever, yet sputtered and died despite their ubiquitous physical presence and market dominance. Fictional intellectual property brands like Star Wars or Indiana Jones are fragile, tenuous things that are like meteorites that come out of nowhere, burn bright, and quickly fade. Most of these IPs barely replicate the magic generated by their initial offering. While the current studios may seem too big to fail, all, even the god Disney, could crash and burn leaving a vacuum to fill by people with better ideas.

[@skepticalsmurf]

agreed,the only constant is change,for better or worse… l’m so tired of reboots,prequels and sequels,Hollywood nowadays would rather take the safe route than introduce fresh new content(my last two cinema experiences Deadpool & Wolverine IMO was meh,Wild Robot was charming with a great plot and first rate animation)🤔

[@HandSolitude]

I just spent some time doing trade work at a distant relative's home. The whole time I was there, his wife was watching all the Netflix Feminist Propaganda. It does have a cultural impact. It's radicalised them into feminazis. They told me that there's no difference between males and females apart from what society forces on them. They said there's no such thing as sexism against men or racism against whites. I pointed out that there's 3 female uni students for every 2 male students and the first thing they did was deflect to "how many engineering students are there male to female". They do not give a damn. The scary thing is that they work at the Uni, and they didn't even know there was a dearth of male students. They just don't care. I never pointed out that the trade work that I was doing at their house simply wouldn't be done by women. I installed a triple header airconditioning system across two weekends by myself.

[@xenophon5354]

Agree with the overall trend. It is a cultural Rot. But every now and then something quite good comes along. Andor, despite the flashbacks being ass, was fantastic.

[@45johngalt]

i just had a discussion with a friend yesterday how I havent really enjoyed any movie or TV series since the late 2000's, there's been some good TV series but they are the exception. Like, look at 2007 and how many awesome movies came out that year. Look at the TV series that were airing. Now, something like the fallout TV series, which is mid, it's equivalent to a warm bowl of oatmeal, it's not offensively bad and it's filling, but i wouldn't imagine anyone going to a high end restaurant and ordering a bowl of it. But, because everything released these days is so god awful, people think it's this awesome show.

[@TheEldritchGod]

I have a strange memory. I cab reneber almost every TV show or movie I have ever seen, but I. Ant remember a movie from the past 8 years.

[@ev5749]

In the early to mid 1900's the social strata was - starting with the bottom- lepers, homeless, prostitutes, ethnic gangs, law enforcement (often in the pockets of local politicians), politicians, blacksmiths (and other needed workers), shop keepers, shop and business owners, ultra rich- Teddy Roosevelt's family was horrified of his political aspirations considering politics to be beneath his status. We are merely working on reducing the number of actors and grandly reducing their and their studio's bloated salaries and work opportunities. Many of us see limited value in their craft. They insult customers freely. Who do you think packed the theaters when a new movie was released? The people who aren't there anymore- that's who.

[@shortminute]

This is the best essay on film to hit KZbin. Thanks, you expressed the thoughts I have yet couldn’t muster the words. At the heart of our cultural malaise, is schooling. If you have the time please look into art schools. In there you will find the leviathan jealously guarding the soul of the creative spirit. School sucks.

[@lucascarranco-moss693]

I agree with everything except by DV and Hans Zimmmer. They are not mid and not to loud at all… Blade Runner 2049 is a masterpiece and every frame is wonderfully crafted the same thing for Dune..DV is one of the best filmmakers in our time and Hans Zimmer always create these awesome soundtracks. The reason people can’t handle it is because they need everything fast and furious all the time. Social media gives us everything fast and short our brains can’t handle that much information at the same time. It’s like eating chips every 2 seconds at the end you don’t even know why you are eating the chips your brain is becoming addicted. It’s good watching movies that are long and goes slow so that our brains can actually slow down and get information slower. Dune is slow but it makes us think and use your brains. We need more films like Dune so that our brains can slow down a little..

[@Oaktales64]

I think you introduced the concept of truth and the importance of it to stories too late. That should be in the body of your work and not the closing wrap up of ideas. Well put together and well researched on every other point!

[@gnarwhal7562]

Dune Pt I was lauded by sci-fi fans as a breath of fresh air for the genre, whereas Dune Pt II, was applauded by general audiences as one of the best movies of the 2020s. The difference, and what makes modern cinema seem so stale, is in the characters. In Pt I, everyone is a forgettable archetype with breadcrumb motivations, while in Pt II, the characters are all way more fleshed out. Paul Atreides is a reluctant saviour with an impending god complex. Lady Jessica is a manipulative puppet master who inadvertently loses control over the son she tries to bridle. Chani and Princess Irulan are 2 sides of the same coin: both women who foresee a violent power struggle, and despite warning others about it, are powerless to stop the bloodshed. The Fremen (namely Stilgar) are a race of desert people so desperate for a Messiah to save them from the subjugation of the Emperor and Harkonnens, that they become a fanatical cult once introduced to Paul. Baron Harkonnen is a hedonistic tyrant, hellbent on seizing the Emperor's throne for himself and his house via an elaborate chess game in the shadows. Feyd-Rautha is a sadist with eyes for war and conquest. & the Emperor is an arrogant monarch blind to his slipping grasp of power. Do we get nearly as much of this information in Pt I? No. Sure, it's all hinted at, but most people aren't about to read the books or watch lore dumps prior to viewing the movie, so as a result, it comes across as a bland story in comparison to Dune Pt II (which is far more riveting BECAUSE the characters are more memorable). This brings me back to the point about modern cinema having no bite, due to the lack of interesting characters. Alien: Romulus, Avatar, Prey, Tenet, Shang Chi, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, etc are all examples of fine films to watch, but none of them leave much of a lasting impression on you because their characters are dull as porridge. Say what you will about the MCU, but in its heyday, it was a juggernaut (and that's not owed to its cookie-cutter plotlines, it's thanks to its beloved characters). THAT is what's missing now. No amount of exotic locations, special effects, A-list actors, intriguing concepts, or nostalgia-bait can make up for that crucial element. If you're by yourself in a fancy restaurant, it might be a pleasant experience for awhile, but unless you're there with people you care about, it's just another fancy restaurant

[@Yosefhouser]

It’s a shame when Korea and Japan can deliver such incredible entertainment for a fraction of the cost and fraction of the star power. They are already capturing and entire generation of people while Hollywood is desperately trying to recreate the same old reheated properties many decades later.

[@waynemcmillian5445]

Hollywood is dieing because people realize that Disney is no longer the dominant force of animation and people can make their own animated series on KZbin that rivals Disney and anime is even more popular than ever.

[@Ψυχήμίασμα]

Plenty of folks relished Dune Part 1 and 2. There's definitely cultural impact in terms of successfully conveying such an esoteric setting while managing to make the story exciting. It's not "emotional," Frank Herbert was not writing a sentimental novel set in a heroic romance universe. It's cerebral, not sentimental or romantic. Any faithful adaptation would follow suit. The setting is austere, but it's not sterile at all. I think lumping that franchise in with the rest of the examples is wrong. Additionally, The Acolyte and Rings of Power and Disney things are not the only things representative of current entertainment. Modern popular films and shows that have left cultural footprints include Blade Runner 2049, Oppenheimer, the first Joker movie, Breaking Bad franchise, Parasite, Squid Game, Stranger Things, GoT franchise, to name a few. Exclusively using Disney or Amazon as examples is cherrypicking.

[@tasamolic]

@@Ψυχήμίασμα Hard agree on everything you said. You have to cherry-pick when your content requires you to be negative.

[@Ψυχήμίασμα]

@@tasamolic Thank you. A more appropriate title might have been "the largest corporate streaming platforms don't tend to generate culturally impactful entertainment." Even that is debatable, but, at least it'd be mildly more precise.

[@josemiguelvillaloboscorona4626]

As a late 90s kid I myself grew watching stuff like the star wars prequels, LOTR, matrix, transformers, and a bunch of historical movies. And even as i have enjoyed some of the more modern movies, i have never seen anything like say The rock from 1996.