Modern Horizons 3 Tier List | Commander Clash Podcast 150

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Sorry for the re-upload, the last version lost a few tracks during export, hence the random unintentional blanks. It should be fixed now with card images and all. Now back to our totally non-controversial opinions on Modern Horizons 3 😅.

[@dyne313]

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought you were gaslighting me. I swear youtube autoplayed a video where one of you said "This is the list for the 99". I turned it off intending to listen later. Later, the video was gone.

[@nomeacuerdo]

And here I was hoping that the fix was for Richard finally delivering some good takes

[@dyne313]

@@nomeacuerdo That will never happen. I think that's why Richard is somehow always smiling while speaking. He knows how bad his takes are so he can't help but laugh at himself.

[@PitLord]

I kinda want an entire podcast dedicated to Richard's deck building and game play philosophy. we keep getting it in chunks across multiple videos but to have it all in 1 cohesive podcast would be sick. and it would be funny to see the looks of horror from Tomer, Crim and Seth as they hear the ramblings of a mad man

[@bruisedfrog]

An episode dedicated to each member of the cast would be fun

[@burningpapersun1]

I think we need a peek behind the curtains of Richard's brain.

[@milkmonger6931]

Hell yes

[@Blacklodge_Willy]

I'd be so down for each member to get their own episode for that.

[@josephmarler859]

He did in the University of Jank episode they did a year ago. The whole crew explains their game philosophies.

[@PalPlays]

Richard on Six: "I don't know if I'll ever have lands in-hand." Also Richard: runs as many bouncelands as he possibly can.

[@dragonmaster47]

It's like Richard believes in Santa Claus but doesn't celebrate Christmas.

[@spacelizbian]

richard hating a card is the clearest indication that it's probably great

[@Suavek69]

Yeah, but he keeps getting away with it

[@CrimsonQueso]

average players hating a richard take is the clearest indication that it's probably right

[@2strokemopedlife459]

​@Suavek69 that implies the other members of the clash is good at the game...also he is the mr boss man

[@thomkrax]

Flare of cultivation

[@andyspendlove1019]

1:21:40 re-commenting that they made Tomer go full on Courage the Cowardly Dog, cause I want everyone to appreciate that

[@DieJG]

That was my reaction to Richard. I like him, but sometimes i believe he is trolling us! Trolling us!!!

[@BingbongRecto]

A commander clash moment

[@EveHawthorne]

I may disagree with Richard on a lot of his assessments, but at the very least he abides by what he says

[@brendanpulsford]

The Codfather abides.

[@rough111]

Well he said Archdruid’s Charm was castable and said Cultivation was uncastable. Now he changed his mind on Charm 😂

[@EveHawthorne]

@@rough111 I mean.. no? If you listen to what he said specifically, he said that Cultivate is the better turn 3 ramp play because you're not guaranteed to have the second green source while you're ramping initially. He didn't say anything about the mid to late game, which is around the time Archdruid's Charm is at its best. Unless you're mono green, you aren't casting the charm that early

[@rough111]

@@EveHawthorne I was looking at Richard posting on the unfixed vid saying he changed his mine on Charm

[@pilcrowe]

@@rough111 exactly what I was thinking. Crim: {G}{G}{G} for a spell outside of mono? Uncastable. Everybody else: It’s green. Every ramp opportunity ramps you at least a forest. And now {G}{G}{1} seems uncastable.

[@Shotgungunshot1]

I’m normally okay with Tomer’s takes… But I can not, for the life of me, understand how Shifting Woodland is somehow “Worse than a Basic Forest”. In Mono-Green it comes into play untapped 99.9% of the time. In any competently built 2-color deck it’ll come into play untapped 99.9% of the time. Even in 3 colors it’ll come into play untapped more often than not. Even with all the green ramp, you can go from 15 forests to 14 and Shifting Woodland and the opportunity cost is just straight up 0.

[@narvuntien]

The fact that they all have such different play and deck building philosophies is what makes this video so entertaining.

[@surfinggarchomp2820]

I love how each member has a different role: tomer is probably the closest to the average player, crim is the control guy, Richard is wierd and Seth is Richard but an optimist

[@interzoa]

Tomers budget restrictions keep him grounded

[@surfinggarchomp2820]

@@interzoa I'm pretty sure he's also the person who plays the most commander outside of clash.

[@Todesnuss]

Ye Richards arguments seem a bit detached at times. Like the "Urza's Cave can get Cradle" argument. As if that's the type of card the average player is worried about. Most decks don't have the budget for a single land worth fetching with that probably.

[@josephmarler859]

​@@Todesnussbut glacial chasm is under $10

[@Dragon_Fyre]

@@TodesnussThey’re not taking budget into account when they review these.

[@joefjunior]

Richard: 4 mana is too much for talon gates. Also Richard: 4 mana for Urza Cave is UNSTOPABLE. Tomer: 4 Mana for urza cave is SO TOO MUCH! Also Tomer: 4 Mana for Talon Gate? CUTTING BASICS Reality: Urza cave can find Talon Gate. The Richard-Tomer land Kaldra is complete.

[@winter945]

Notably talon gate has value the turn it enters play even if you don't pay the 4 mana for it, while urza's cave needs to have 4 total mana spent into it and has its target etb tapped. Cave is still good though if you have really strong lands you want to find

[@Phearzmeh1]

The thing is that richard views every land with the perspective that he has lands that tap for 2 or 3 mana already on the battlefield since he plays so many bouncelands and lotus lands

[@joefjunior]

@@winter945 I'm fully on board with Talon Gate - S tier. It's giving a lot of colors access to phasing based protection that didn't have it before, providing counter play to even the strongest board wipes (farwell, sunfall, final showdown). It allows decks to deploy relevant threats early with some expectation that they can protect them by the time the big wipes can be cast.

[@joefjunior]

@@Phearzmeh1 I can't wait for Tomer to come back and bring a reckoning to Richard's manabase greed. We already saw a taste of it when Richard's mono-black mana base got wrecked by ruination.

[@SilvyAP]

It pains me so much to hear Richard of spiritted companion fame not talk how green has a bunch of low cost etb dorks like Rec Sage, Elvish Visionary (literally a spirited companion in green), wood elves, the other wood elves, the other other wood elves, wall of roots (literally a wall of omens), satyr wayfinder, the dudes that explore on etb. Like the gren flare is a build around card in the sense that you want to lean green (ie play the wall of roots over the wall of omens) but the options to sacrifice are ample. Also I would totally sac a manadork if you run those. Two basics is better than a llanowar elves every single time.

[@Dext3rM0rg4n]

Richard is out of his mind, the phasing in talon gate is super relevant. Especially for commander like Lucea Kane that have no protection and need you to untap with them on the board to go off. With this land you play Lucea then you play talon gate as your land of the turn and you're sure to untap with her next turn. And you can use it to phase out your opponent stuff, or as a 4 mana instant protection or a 4 mana ramp. It's such an easy S.

[@thesamuraiman]

Re-commenting: I don't see why you wouldn't just sac' a Llanowar Elves to Flare of Cult. You're turning it into a land and "drawing a card" before it gets wrath'd or pinged. If it has tapped for mana a few times, it seems worth giving it up a little later.

[@gesjiosyncesta6251]

especially hilarious because RIchard is the one saying Mana dorks are bad because they die to a board wipe. it basically turns your Dork into a land and replaces itself with another land.

[@cloudroth6]

Do you really want to build your deck around a "free" ramp spell. Yes you can sac a dork but his point is dorks are not worth it to run unless you have a specific synergy in the deck. so to just add bad dorks to your deck to turn one card on seems.bad

[@thesamuraiman]

​@@cloudroth6 I run mana dorks in my Pantlaza deck and have no issue with them. Sure, it's not cEDH, but they're not useless. This is also the guy that doesn't like Path/Swords.

[@gesjiosyncesta6251]

​@@cloudroth6 I run dorks in every green deck since my playgroup is way faster than the usual edh group. so Im not building my deck around 1 card. It turns cards like rec sage into destroying something+ramping and fixing. turns on earthcraft if multi colored. Sac Fanatic of Rhonas and Eternalize it next turn.

[@pendotxl822]

i feel like their ignoring stuff quite a bit. They say they rate it for general useage, but basically only looked at it from a 4-5 color Deck pov. Most of the decks played are 2-3 colors tho, which means they usually contain more than enough basic lands and you have less issues with 2 pips. Manadork turn 1? you can either play it like a normal cultivate turn 2, or you sack it and can probably cast any 3 mana spell turn 2 while at the same time getting a cultivate trigger to set up perfect mana for turn 3+. Golgari and Sultai are eating the shit out of this. sure it aint great for 4-5 color decks most of the time, but just being able to let you play that 1 or 2 mana hand

[@peewee0224]

The issue is most of the podcast completely underrates the words island plains mountain swamp forest. So many powerful card references these types of

[@insanekidakaneil]

Isn’t Six absolutely insane? To put it in MTG goldfish terms, giving all your spells retrace basically turns every land you draw into an MDFC with an untapped land on the front and ANY spell in your graveyard on the back? LIKE, WHAT???

[@CrimsonQueso]

it's only permanents and the best late-game spells are usually sorceries? At least at my tables

[@josephpayton7522]

Nyxbloom Ancient is usually what's in my graveyard so I think six is super busted. And shifting woodlands is crazy busted. Lol.

[@Beam_on_team]

1:11:02 urza's cave makes the land you grab enter tapped. so I wouldn't recommend grabbing mystic sanctuary (most of the time)

[@winter945]

Yeah 3 mana and tap a land so grab an etb tapped mystic sanctuary isn't the best when you can instead use a fetchland for 0 total mana

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

I love how, on Flare of Fortitude, everyone’s rankings just spell out “ASSS” 😂 That is all.

[@Jethro_Wilkins]

Saw the first video in my feed, thought I'd watch it later. I come back, it's gone. Thought I was delusional until the reupload. Glad to have you back!

[@MakeVarahHappen]

As the person who introduced them to the "it's so good it's bad" bit, I actually think it's applicable for Soultrader. I don't super agree, but it is a specific brand of card with a reputation of combo that precedes it.

[@bennettpalmer1741]

Yeah, the thing with "so good it's bad" cards is that normally, they're actually good enough to somewhat offset the aggro. Like, Sea Gate Restoration for 7 will probably make you archenemy, but you just drew 7 so it's probably fine. But if you're playing a notorious combo piece for middling value, you're drawing all the aggro with almost none of the payoff.

[@dannyhightower2712]

I think a big word on Sunken Palace was skipped over and that it also copy's abilities as well as spells. Not sure how many activated abilities we're looking to copy but it is there.

[@Swellchild]

1:10:56 Urza's Cave doesnt work with Mystic Sanctuary bc MS needs to come in untapped to get a card back, and cave makes it enter tapped. Edited: Also, it's way easier to grab MS with any of the blue fetchlands. 1 life vs 4 mana.

[@AdaWongMistress]

A re upload is an opportunity for Richard to be wrong once again

[@paulszki]

I hope richard knows that we still love him.

[@LunarWingCloud]

We do love Richard even when he's wrong, at least he's funny

[@alexandrelima2766]

Yes please this needs to be the comment of the week

[@drocka36]

Richard is amazing! If we all had a dollar for every time we were wrong, id have almost as many dollars as richard! ❤ he right about the green land though

[@khemintiri]

The king decides and the pawns follows

[@STS-qi1qy]

Ok it was hilarious to watch the Shifting Woodland debate where for once Richard was the one facing Richard-style arguments.

[@Bongus_Bubogus]

Don’t play cards that are good because they will make you lose -> loses because you didn’t play cards that are good while everyone else was (you got one Farewell per deck btw)

[@barrychan3722]

Agree with Richard, Sunken Palace is great. I checked all my blue (dimir) deck, basically all of them will be benefit from this card. Grey Merchants, Exsanguinate, Breach the multiverse, etc.

[@PaulissVegan]

I'd test it in Nymris, but I have a hard time seeing this beating dig through time. I'd rather dig further through my deck than copy something but yeah another commander will care much more for this card

[@JM-zi9ou]

Richard is truly a man of culture with the MvC2 cabinet behind him.

[@wchenful]

In their play group, sacrificing a Veteran Explorer to Flare of Cultivation = 3 land ramp for 1 mana with no downsides since no one plays basics XD

[@PrimeShifter]

Seth, wanting to protect his win, should like the red flare because if someone tries to counter your stuff when you’re trying to win that counters, the counter

[@brettpryor4907]

Tomer is the true budget hero for us poor kids for standing up to the trust fund non-basic land bullies when they make fun of him

[@Jwhiz24]

pretty sure they just rent the decks they play on stream from their sponsors.

[@Woozychu]

I think Seth would put cultivate in a deck with 0 basics 💀

[@Woozychu]

Also, didn’t Crim shit on Abjure when it’s only 1 mana and can use tokens?

[@2LPfan]

He has I don't remember what episode but he has.

[@spawn9892001]

Richard "playing cards like this get you killed" meanwhile, the whole group lets things like bowmasters and esper sentinel go unanswered for multiple turns

[@RiverJohnson-cy5ux]

The fact that toner isn’t hot on Urza’s cave is wild to me, if you believe in talon gates of madara as I do, you want to run Urza’s cave to tutor it in response to a bird wipe or offensively to remove a blocker. If you’re in green you’d also want to run crop rotation as well, getting around the 4 cost “channel” activation.

[@fgsfdsmonkey]

54:23 farewell, notable for exiling things, rarely will turn on delirium

[@ETK_]

Hot take, mana fixing is so good nowadays that a double pip of mana is not hard to meet the condition of, even in 5-color decks

[@Cheesewiz]

Hahaha ya I was wondering if Tomer was trolling us the whole time not showing the pictures of cards or if he just forgot in the first upload of this 😂

[@charlesbickford3151]

Flare of cultivation + 1 drop dork= turn 1 ramp plus still 7 cards in hand including a land drop turn 2. (Crimm it's also deck thinning plus a body in the yard)

[@charlesbickford3151]

Urza's cave note*** recently added cave land package to my deck cosmium Confluence grabbing urza's cave / sunken Citadel / forgotten monument is cracked. Citadel provides 2 mana plus monument to Crack cave and grab any land is s tier broken

[@charlesbickford3151]

Codfather is so far ahead of the rest of you on Sunken Palace... in what world does it just not out value whatever your opponent's are doing, as the graveyard is a resource and for literally 1 mana you double the most busted thing your deck can do. This land and Shifting Woodlands are so cracked you need to be drunk not to see it. (Tomer excluded cause he is stuck on budget mode)

[@hanschristopherson8056]

Flare of cultivation is good seth and Richard are just way too greedy with their mana bases 😂

[@DoctorWhoBlue]

It's very close to a Sol ring imo

[@cloudroth6]

What are you sacing for it? You sac a mana dork. You didn't actually ramp. And you went down a card

[@JabbaDaStabba2]

I think flare of cultivations power doesn’t come in the early game. How many times do you draw cultivate-like cards mid to late game. You would love to get a couple more lands but can’t B/C it would screw up your game plan. Mid to late game this allows you to still ramp when you have some left over etc creatures while not taking half a turn off. It also is great in any aristocrat or grave yard decks which want to sacrifice creatures. Golgari and Abzan both will utilize it to great effect. The two green mana in the beginning is not that hard. A strict upgrade to cultivate.

[@henrye3935]

Arboreal Grazer into Flare of Cultivation will be the new Arbor Elf into Utopia Sprawl for Modern Ponza. Doesn't get got by Orcish Bowmaster either.

[@baconsir1159]

Talon Gates will see a lot of play imo. Definitely going to play it in my Magda CEDH deck

[@ConstructiveCriticHD]

Sunken palace can double trigger Sisay,kennan, thrasios that's something lol not that any of those are hard mill decks.

[@RyanEglitis]

My Sultai Zombie deck is eatin' good with MH3 - you also missed the new 2 mana 'fleshbag' Accursed Marauder, though it probably tops out at B.

[@totakekeslider3835]

I’m adding 10-12 new cards to the Mycotyrant and Muldrotha a piece from this set alone. They went heavy for Golgari this time around and I’m here for it.

[@Buych778]

If urza's cave tutors up mystic sanctuary, you wouldn't get the effect from it because it would enter tapped...

[@williamlippolis]

Mystic Sanctuary doesn’t work with Urza’s Cave because it enters tapped, no?

[@Swellchild]

Correct. Besides, you could grab Mystic Sanctuary with any blue fetchland for the low cost of 1 life instead 😂

[@damienjohnson3450]

@18:38 I agree with Richard here. I play Elsha Control and if I had the choice of either countering a Torment Of Hailfire or Fury Storming it I would Fury Storm it every time.

[@Medicinalmagic911]

6:27 VETERAN EXPLORER!! Legacy nicfit…, viridian emissary, primal Druid, dies for extra land

[@lobbynotlob]

"Swan Song doesnt require you to 2-for-1 yourself" 2/2 bird token in SHAMBLES

[@ketchumall8243]

22:48 Crim: "my commander is a way to cast free counterspells" as someone who uas cast their commander specifically to hold up Boltbend, Fierce Guardianship, and deflecting swat, i feel that. And as long as you dont mind sac the commander (maybe cause you really only cared about its etb or something), the free spells are pretty good

[@calebtadlock5956]

Respectfully fellas, I'm an hour in and acute brain injury is the only possible explanation for some of these takes.

[@jackl8025]

Doesn't sound very respectful to me

[@aaronmiller1009]

Richard is definitely right about sunken palace, I think everyone else in the group is way too scared of the downside of a tap land. Being slow in commander while not missing land drops isn’t necessarily a downside, it means you’ll be less scary and then you make up for it by popping off late with something like palace

[@johnbarbagallo6011]

Richard: there is nothing in green to sacrifice to Flare of cultivation Veteran Explorer: am I a joke to you?

[@jeffe2267]

You want to spend a card to ramp all players by 2 lands? It's not good in Commander.

[@johnbarbagallo6011]

@jeffe2267 is it though? You are sitting on 5 mana turn 2 with only 2 cards. You are easily buying good will at the table. And lastly if you are playing the explorer then your deck is probably best set up to take advantage of it.

[@rough111]

@@jeffe2267Yeah Sloth would be best to have 3 lands out on turn 1

[@light-chemistry]

I actually feel sorry for Richard because EDH players will be like "hah I counter your take with this one god awful card that in magical christmas land proves you wrong!" You can't argue with people who think that taking two good ramp spells out of their deck so that they can play an average card and a truly awful 1 drop *hoping for the one christmas land game where they have both cards at the same time*. So yes, unironically, Veteran explorer is absolutely a joke and using that as some sort of proof for your argument makes it worse, not better. 9/10 times you have explorer out and people are just trying to hit you so sack it.

[@UmoLoco]

Can we please get Phil on these podcasts because he needs to defend himself!

[@AB-qp2tm]

Necrodominace is nice with Sheoldred apocalypse, pretty much reads draw 75 cards gain 75 life and sculpt the best 5 to win.

[@Dragon_Fyre]

I think Warren Soultrader is one of those cards that can only be played as a combo piece because as Seth said, it’s going to get you killed unless you combo with it. No one is going to believe it’s not part of a combo wincon.

[@Target008]

Alright guys we need to stop weighting everything as it it applies to a 5 color deck. 4+ colors should not be our metric for playability. There are 264,543 5 color decks on edhrec and 137,832 4 color decks for a grand total of 402,375 4+ color decks which at first looks like a lot until you consider there are 1,572,705 2 color decks and 1,332,058 3 color decks for a grand total of 2,904,763 2 and 3 color decks. What this means is 4+ color decks only make up 12.7% of all multi-cloro decks so when evaluating a card we should be looking at how it will play in 2 and 3 color decks more often than not. So if we are looking at flare of cultivation with its 1gg cost and we judge that it will be good in 2 color decks and mono green that 753,609 decks which means its actually quite good. As opposed to saying its bad becuase its hard to cast in 11.72% of decks that can play it.

[@TheKamiAndKami]

Ahhh nice re-uploaded. wanted to watch it before i go to sleep and here it is :) what was wrong with the old upload? Here for the Energy Cards :)

[@winter945]

Card images weren't showing up properly during the discussion

[@Enos666]

There was a problem where for a lot of the time when the crew were talking about some cards they didn't have the card(s) in question on screen. There may be other fixes I didn't catch but thats much better now.

[@colepopovic4659]

Richard making that “what’s the probability” point about rhystic studies like his counterpoint to every card being good isn’t “what if your opponent has the perfect answer in hand” was a wild moment to me

[@krownvekta09]

I desperately want to have an opening in Commander where I have a Veteran Explorer and the Green Flare. Five lands on turn two sounds sweet to me, even at the cost of giving mana to the opponents.

[@Greg501-]

Sac mana dork for land in hand and land on board, in a format where no one removes lands but everyone removes creatures, how is Flare of Cultivation not excellent?

[@grimbeefers]

I think the biggest single factor for the "flare" cycle is how likely is a given color to have a creature sitting around that can be sacrificed. This inherently puts certain ones above others, such as cards where a cheap creature creates an ETB token, like Thraben Inspector, Dockside, etc.. I think the team is severely underestimating the red one, as getting rid of a spent Dockside to then copy a tutor, ramp spell, etc. is going to be very good.

[@inkarozu2309]

For me the flares go Fortitude > Malice > Denial > Duplication > Cultivation. It bothers me greatly that Cultivation is the only sorcery in the cycle, the pieces don't fit together!

[@Case909]

Doesn't Urza's Cave's ETB tapped overrides Mystic Sanctuary's ability, making it entered tapped? Urza's Cave fetching Urza's Saga is an interesting combo at instant speed. Or fetching a Gaea's Cradle on your opponents turn just in time to play some big tings on your turn.

[@aaronwindham6065]

I never knew that my playstyle was so much like Crim's, the decks the colors the everything. I used to totally be on board with Richard but I have realized I have not changed since way back when I used to play standard during Meriden besieged. Got me in touch with my control roots. I seriously think they undervalue control

[@starmanda88]

Richard you’re tripping on the green flare. Straight tripping.

[@Mecal00]

Agreed. Cards like Rec Sage can be sacked, once used, even mana dorks. You can even tap the dork to float the mana then sac it.

[@ConstanceMists]

The card is fine. It’s not a creature so I will literally never play it but its a cute card

[@peewee0224]

It’s a cultivate which is basically an unplayable card outside of pre con power level

[@bennettpalmer1741]

They mentioned it briefly, then glossed over it like it wasn't worth mentioning, but turn one grazer sac grazer to flare is absurdly busted. 3 lands in play and a fourth in hand on turn 1.

[@starmanda88]

@@peewee0224dude you’re getting possibly two lands in play for FREE

[@LunarWingCloud]

Not sure why this needed to be reuploaded bit I still think the Flare cycle is better than they give credit for. It's not overbearing but all 5 are very good in the decks that will want them

[@thatepicwizardguy]

Final Act properly designed would have looked like this: Choose one or more - Players sacrifice all artifacts. Players sacrifice all creatures. Players sacrifice all enchantments. Players sacrifice all planeswalkers. Exile all opponents graveyards. would have been a bomb card like farewell with a little bit of counterplay since there's some anti-sac stuff, plus you do still get death triggers etc happening still so it's weaker than farewell but it'd be a giga-staple in black, especially for artifact & enchantment removal which since colorpies dont matter so much these days WHY NOT put them on a super crazy card honestly lol (enchantment removal & sacrifice exists in black, artifact removal not so much which I'd be okay with removing from the design but everything else should stay) hire me as a consultant WotC ;)

[@WTBliiip]

People HATE lands that filter mana. I wonder how efficient it would have to be to be good. For example, would a land that could tap for colorless or: tap, pay x: get x mana in any combination of colors be good? (Meaning you lose 1 mana as the land itself doesn't produce mana)

[@-homerow-]

I always listen to the podcast more than once 😊

[@totakekeslider3835]

Richard logic: “Don’t play game winning cards like Rise of the Dark Realms or Aminatou’s Augury because they make you the target and you lose the game.” Also Richard logic: “Put Fork in your deck so you can steal Rise of the Dark Realms or Aminatou’s Augury and win the game.”

[@LexAnarchy]

This is sound logic and why Richard is such a great player. If someone casts a Rise it baits out answers from the table and if nobody has one you just Fork it. Let others pay the mana, be scary, draw the attention, and then just win. It's how Richard has been playing for years now and the fact that people still don't see through it is mind blowing to me. He is really just great at politics

[@light-chemistry]

This is actually logical.

[@ammonaustin9081]

​@@LexAnarchy He's great at politics in the Goldfish crew lmao. Richard is getting steamrolled out in the wild

[@TheWoelrat]

@@ammonaustin9081 You might be right about that in their group, but I feel like thats only the case because they do not want to punish greed.

[@CrimsonQueso]

you won't be archnemesis someone else is also archnemesis, and you're in better posiiton for it if you paid 0-2 mana instead of tapped out.

[@CptnHowdy2475]

Venerated Explorer is possibly the best creature to sacrifice to flare of cultivation

[@jeffe2267]

Venerated Explorer isn't a Magic card. Do you mean Veteran Explorer? That's not a good card for you to sac.

[@Sleeqb7]

The frequency in which Richard says something "nobody plays" so confidently that I see literally every week in casual play at my LGS is every single episode. And he is so confident and argumentative about it that it makes me shut off the episode.

[@coryledwitch6492]

I think it bears mentioning that hitting double green mana has different percentages based on the amount of colors in your deck. If you’re at mono or two colors, you are going to have two of a flare’s colors pretty consistently.

[@davidrosenberg9615]

Regarding Charitable Levy, it can legitimately time walk players who come after you in turn order who were hoping to curve into a turn 2 mana rock or ramp spell. That sounds rough.

[@MrFireInTheDisco]

A golden era of 50 lands is coming. The spells are untapped lands now

[@Minervastouch]

Being able to tutor any land being so good is just showing me how they have gone too far with lands. Lands shouldn't behave as or be literal spells. MDFC's were a serious mistake for one.

[@dboeify]

What the hell is richard smoking on flare of cultivation, its at least a tier. Use it to sac veteran explorer, viridian emissary, or primal druid. Not to mention the easiest pick being child of alara as a sac outlet plus ramp. This card is awesome.

[@yggdr9sil]

Come on, no one is playing those creatures unless they're some kind of aristocrats deck. B rank seems fair as far as needing a specific deck archetype to make it shine. Otherwise, its just a harder to cast cultivate.

[@gesjiosyncesta6251]

@@yggdr9sil you can replace the sac creatures with simple etb ones like Reclamation sage. destroying an Enchantment/Artifact+ramping 1 land and getting another land in your hand is pretty good. every green creature with a good etb just turns into free ramp.

[@light-chemistry]

"Use Flare of Cultivation because it allows me to sac awful cards that I've filled my deck with" is really not the argument for it that you think it is.

[@dboeify]

@@light-chemistry turn 1 ramp spell into a bigger ramp spell for little investment. Seems fine to me. But if you must, insert whatever dies trigger or leaves the battlefield trigger creature you feel is appropriate. But even still, turn 1 veteran explorer, sac to cultivation to have 6 mana by turn 2 seems decent to me

[@light-chemistry]

@@dboeify you're describing the magical christmas land where you have a saccable creature and flare of cultivation. Otherwise you're just describing a graveyard/aristocrats deck, which is fine, but makes it a niche card that goes in specific decks. The vast majority of green decks are not graveyard decks.

[@elijahwalker323]

@7:20, I would sack a birds of paradise, or elvish mystic to this almost any time.

[@DDPMonster]

Shifting woodland is GREAT in every deck that can legally run it. Delerium is not hard to turn on at all and it has the upside of winning the game. It is on par with Boseiju. 0 opportunity cost for it too. It is S tier no question and these guys are delusional to think B tier.

[@WarriorFromV4LH4LL4]

People seem to forget how often Richard has turned out to be correct in his philosophy and strategy.

[@2LPfan]

You can also get the gate from your library at instant speed like you would with glacial chasm.

[@ajaxender12]

I think you guys keyed in on the right heuristic for judging the Flare cycle; 1) will you have something you want to sacrifice? Then 2) is it worth sacrificing something you don't otherwise want to sacrifice? I think the answer to 1) is more often than you might think for a lot of Blue decks, to be honest; ETBs in particular. Obviously the answer for many, many Black decks is 1) duh and 2) what do you mean, don't want to sacrifice? So that one is best. You guys judging lands is hilarious. But then, those lands are all interesting because they're potentially so powerful that you might twist your deck building or play strategies around them a little (or a lot) - or maybe, you're not willing to because you don't see the value. They're easy A power with B downside.

[@Death_by_Tech]

1:15:30 there is no freaking way Richard is playing the same commander as everyone else. He is straight up hallucinating here

[@calebspeer8068]

Tomer on dog ranking podcast: " You couldn't sacrifice (insert dog) it's too cute, that text just doesn't exist " Tomer on this podcast: "I mean its good if you have a spirited companion to throw under the bus"

[@Death_by_Tech]

1:20:49 there’s no way the tappedeness is not the dealbreaker. Who would say no to running this if it came in untapped with no drawback

[@seagrave764]

I play Trophy Mage and Malcator's Watcher in almost all my blue decks and it's the perfect target for Flare of Denial for me.

[@XxMechaxWolfxX]

Okay Hear me out on the green flare though, turn 1 we go green source mana dork into turn 2 float a green and freecast the green flare, then we cast actual cultivate/kodamas reach off of the land drop. Now we untap with up to 5 mana on turn 3. There are some great ceilings to this this card if we get around the fact that the sac feels bad. Same downsides as all ramp cards as well and the more restrictive mana cost definitely makes this an A for me

[@douglassmith8069]

Imagine turn 1 land, play llanowar elves. Turn 2 play a land, play regular cultivate/kodamas reach. Then play flare sac-ing the elves then you have 4 lands turn 2 with 2 additional lands in hand. It's insane how often you'll cast it for free

[@jamespatterson5644]

Flare of Malice isn't the strongest card, but its the most staple. It slots into any black deck as one of the first removal options. Many of the other cards are stronger for specific decks, but Flare/malice is good for practically every deck.

[@nheimi99]

Richard makes me feel less insane for having unpopular and correct opinions.

[@polywannakraken8839]

The card that has the cEDH community talking that the casual side has completely overlooked is Volatile Stormdrake. This card is bonkers and could easily be a blue staple, though most people will probably only ever look at it for cEDH or for energy decks. But the card could be thrown into any blue deck and slap. Most commanders these days cost 4 or less, some of the best value creatures cost 4 or less, and, worse case scenario, it becomes a blue removal spell.

[@Dext3rM0rg4n]

No plan for a tier list of the 40 cards exclusive for the commander precon ?

[@NixAK909]

With the Reliquary Tower/Necrodominance interaction would it matter which one was played first? Necro says your maximum hand size is 5 but RT says you have no maximum hand size, so whether that’s 7 or 5 shouldn’t matter?

[@RyanMorgan89]

I went to a MH3 pre release and my first game got emrakuled, countered with a strix serenade and got a little pat on the back that cast triggers always happen unless you counter the ABILITY.

[@vitordonizetti5318]

The white flare had 3 problems: Cyclonic Rift, Toxic Deluge and Farewell

[@linguaphile9415]

I'm going to play Flare of Denial in my merfolk deck. More than 20 blue creatures, barely any one of which is worth keeping when push comes to shove. But I understand the problem of having something sackable in play, so it's certainly not for everyone.

[@adamwarehime6444]

Everyone is way over hyping shifting woodland it's not that good of a land

[@aselbst]

Charitable Levy is a Farseek that cantrips, in white, even without the tax element. This card is a super staple.

[@molicc]

Oh man, i really want Tomer to get the team with a turn 2-3 Back to Basics or Winter Moon in a Commander Clash game.

[@PolGamesOnTwitch]

Flare of Denial for my Marchesa deck it's sublime (Flare of Duplication and Malice too)