Modern Polygamy | Our America with Lisa Ling | Full Episode | OWN

[@Mpirefilms]

Lisa Ling is a fantastic journalist. Her empathy and understanding is so peaceful.

[@skumsters2323]

to bad she works for cruella

[@tracywest2065]

I've been watching her since she did school news as a kid! She's fantastic

[@debbiebasche5337]

She is one of the greats...very personable....

[@sarahoop5859]

Agreed ❤

[@wildewildestrawberries]

​@skumsters2323 the show actually left OWN after a few seasons and went to CNN. So cruella was only it's first broadcaster.

[@Ji_un_park]

Wait, this guy is a teacher but at age 18 he drew a picture that looks like a two year old drew it?! Love Lisa Ling and her informative, compassionate and authentic documentaries ❤

[@itsinesantonio]

Hahahahaha 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@LauraYoung-b2r]

Way to diminish another human being. So a drawing made up your mind to what judge?

[@LadyWolfeRyder]

SO? Not everyone is an artist. Why does it matter?

[@catherinethemba]

​@@LauraYoung-b2r it shows their education system is deeply flawed. It's a pre school drawing.

[@oldonetwoable]

He gives me the creeps.

[@robinnewman4018]

Why wouldn’t a journalist ask how a man supports three wives and 15 kids on a teacher’s salary?

[@dianehansma1725]

Exactly! As long as government isn’t giving them hardworking taxpayers money each month for child benefits! Makes you wonder…laws don’t matter that’s for sure! Unreal! Muslims are doing the same! Lawlessness!

[@lindataylor8302]

Welfare and food stamps

[@lindataylor8302]

Your tax dollars at work 😊

[@lindadenneypu6315]

That's what I wondered as well

[@xPat99]

Exactly what I thought: how?!

[@staciehahn9175]

I love Lisa Ling! She can take an awkward conversation and make it seem totally comfortable. The husband talk when she says “I get that” 😂😂😂

[@jamiekewl2361]

SADLY T HAT LADY SEEMS ANGRY AND DEPRESSED. AFTER 7 YEARS THERY BOTH WERE SICK OF EACH OTHER LOL

[@CMP6111]

This is just wrong! These women are jealous of the other wives. Plain and simple. Just because you can bear children, There is no way I could live this lifestyle.

[@LighthouseLover1989]

She says the problems started over a loaf of bread, but their problems actually started way before that. Bread isn't even the biggest issue here. 🥺💔♀️💪

[@Rebecca-hc5ju]

💯💯

[@jenniemorris4520]

Absolutely, and I don't suppose her decision to go back had anything to do with the fact that she was about to give birth to another child? Perhaps her pregnancy was part of the issue.

[@Agforever12]

That was probably the last straw, the slightest thing can set an already angry person over the edge

[@LX-kt90rx]

Yeah, 2nd wife was jealous that he married again, and she’s not “allowed” to be, so she attacks 3rd over a loaf of bread. Polygamy is inherently abusive, and these women are brainwashed to believe they can’t get to heaven if they don’t participate in this. His first wife seems like she may be ace/aro, so was relieved when the 2nd could take on the physical “responsibilities” of marriage. She seemed she didn’t even care about the other two being there. The husband was creepy. The whole thing is dysfunctional, at best.

[@mariec3527]

Bread might of been the final straw

[@sarac3325]

Lisa: "....you were actually relieved to have another woman take care of those needs.....I get that". 😂

[@kimmickal]

One woman can't take care of one man's needs?! Seriously?! I am fortunate that I don't understand.

[@joeyree22]

Me too!

[@AllThingsSoul]

@@kimmickal Me three! Tells me he's a bad lover and she has no idea how to teach him to be better.

[@patricksobb]

Dude must be a dud under the sheets

[@MariaCaso-h4o]

But then the new wife instead of help added another six kid to the pack.

[@Alesya81]

I am trying to understand..: but just can’t… the idea of my man making love to another woman under the same room is way too painful…

[@McCarthy0000]

It’s almost like an agreement/job to these women….I highly doubt any of these women really REALLY love their husbands, or they would be in shambles thinking about him with another woman. They just do it because it’s what they were taught and raised to believe. That they need a husband. Maybe a choice few have actually really loved the man, but it’s doubtful they all are madly in love with him without jealousy or complications.

[@karrieclinton7245]

I would love to see an update on all these women and families. I wonder how they’re doing today

[@pinoyboysandme7251]

I agree

[@Isisda]

That’s the only thing wrong with a lot of these reports they do not ever give us an update five or 10 years after the fact

[@debraspegnetto6904]

I’d like to see a update also , these women probably have 800 kids by now 😜

[@Stephanie-kk4oh]

The second guy literally made the hair on my arms stand up🫣😬😵‍💫

[@tonitwitty9529]

His voice is creeping me out!

[@maganalia]

My skin crawled

[@AJ-ps2bw]

Same.

[@beautifulplaces2703]

me too.

[@vicval5226]

Same

[@WineSaladFrenchFries]

The second guy with 15 kids is 42?!?! 😱 I'm 39 and he looks like he could be my dad!

[@juliecurtis5122]

I think he's gonna wait a long time to get wife num 4, not confident he's gonna reach his goal of 8....lol

[@lashandaallenredmon2109]

They all look old! 😩🫣

[@kelsyhainline]

I was thinking the same thing. He’s 6 years older than me. Then I start thinking, am I just blind to how old I look? Because I don’t think I look that old. Lol

[@Flourish_today]

The stress of having so many kids is not easy.

[@happylife7542]

Lmao I am a 42 year old woman. All I have to say is that hell noooooooo

[@beautifulplaces2703]

That creepy Math teacher guy wants to become a god by marrying a lot of wives and having a lot of kids but he doesn't seem to be concerned if he can provide love to his kids.

[@coldhibiscustea]

As soon as I saw his face directly as he spoke, red flags were going off and I thought "whoa he's creepy AF"

[@ruchashinde9735]

n he is teacher😂😂😂😂😂

[@Thedrisin155]

Give these women more options. They think this is the only way to live because it’s all they’ve ever known. Do they really have choices?

[@harley8680]

Did you listen to them and even watch this the whole way through!?

[@meredithbesabe1571]

​@@harley8680 they're literally brainwashed from birth to believe this is the only good way to live. Do you not understand how cults rob their members of agency? Child marriage and rape are rampant in these communities.

[@huntnusa659]

Not only do they have choices, but they have organizations reaching out and trying to get them to leave. They are not ignorant. They are extremely smart women. They know what they can do with their lives inside the community and outside. They choose family. They choose peace. Would it be better if they were some of the women in the big cities who are single mothers with two or three baby daddies and getting by with the government being the big daddy and supporting their lives? Is that what you would see is better? Because that is becoming the new normal in regular monogamous society. Multiple partners multiple baby daddies and multiple poverty levels. I would say these people have something going very very good.

[@LauraYoung-b2r]

And for those children raised in strict Catholic families? Catholic schools, catholic social clubs, Catholic friends only.

[@LadyWolfeRyder]

Did you have an issue comprehending this?

[@JulieReade]

Lisa Ling, you are a talented journalist! Most documentaries such as this have an obvious distaste for people’s beliefs and lifestyles. You weighed the pros and cons and left the viewers to think for themselves. Bravo to you for showing the world what real journalism is!!

[@carmelgraham-williams1338]

I've read a book about a woman who was forced to marry who lived in this community. Just because it looks pretty on the outside does not mean women are not subjugated and abused.

[@oneperson5760]

So they are forced? They said it was the woman's choice and she had to be 19. I guess they lied.

[@carmelgraham-williams1338]

⁠@@oneperson5760it’s called indoctrination.

[@EriksAngel15]

There’s bad people in every group.

[@natalieb.1454]

@@carmelgraham-williams1338 what was the book's name?

[@carmelgraham-williams1338]

@@natalieb.1454 There are so many. Stolen Innocence is by Elissa Wall and Escape by Carolyn Jessop.

[@kimberlyterenzoni8451]

I was not comfortable with Michael. Seems his first wife, Rose, is just so sad.

[@louise9422]

She said monogamy was too hard because she 'needed help'. To take care of *his* needs. I thought she meant taking care of kids, but she meant *his* fysical needs. How afwul if a wife has to say this. His needs are the only thing that counts.

[@gloriaoppen8412]

I agree! How about the needs of a woman? Michael's first wife was probably tired of him. Although I don't agree with this lifestyle, women should be equal and not less. If men are allowed to have many wives, then women should be allowed to take on other husbands. How do they support such large families? Are they living off of the government?

[@erikaannabosnyak9307]

To be honest none of his wives looks happy.

[@songoku8235]

He is super creepy....

[@JG-po3ip]

Yeah, Michael is creepy in my opinion. None of his wives look happy at all.

[@mariacasella6474]

She said “this is the way God lives?!?!wow these women and kids are brainwashed

[@Jenny-ls7hf]

Right! It doesn’t even make common sense, because this lifestyle would leave tons of single men! The world is half and half, we should be ONE TO ONE

[@NotAnotherFucking]

How do you know you’re not the one who’s brainwashed?

[@PatrickThreewit]

Is this any different that how people are brainwashed with Bible stories like a man walking on water?

[@TheKim369]

@@NotAnotherFucking Math, it leaves a lot of younger men without the chance to marry. Math, it doesn't provide enough time for each child, more math, it would be nearly impossible to support these families without non mormon, non polygamous taxpayers.

[@NotAnotherFucking]

@@TheKim369 Mormons are very community oriented. They aren’t on benefits lol.

[@catherinecox8921]

How are all these large families financially supported? These homes are large with many mouths to feed and dad is a school teacher? That’s all I kept thinking throughout this documentary.

[@Kinikkanak]

They get government aid. Because the women are technically single mothers. They are applicable for medicaid and food stamps, all that stuff. They call it bleeding the beast. Talk about entitled

[@beachygurls6]

Does make you wonder if the women work outside the home or if the 2nd, 3rd wife get gov’t assistance.

[@mariec3527]

And they will always live in perpetual poverty because they keep adding to their ever growing families when they already are struggling

[@karinland8533]

The houses are built by the community. Like in the Amish they are big in contracting. Usually some of the wifes work out side. The not legal wifes get child support by having a wrong fatheres name on the birth certificate

[@Hamster7766]

My good friend is one of 10 children. Dad was a public school teacher in So Cal, mom was a homemaker. 1100sf house. They’re Catholic. Never wealthy, but they are happy.

[@peonypower7094]

Amazing how easy it is to make people believe a variety of absolutely crazy things.

[@IAmRetiredSoon]

So rah rah rah gay gay gay is the only thing that is acceptable? What does gay produce?

[@pamwiththebadhair5118]

Us or them?

[@FitzyS]

So true!! I’m often amazed at how easy it is to get people to believe in nonsense 😂

[@Zu-Noma]

I find the concept of religion to be a crazy concept altogether🙃but to each their own.

[@carter_1]

It takes the first group wanting to be, just that, a group (with similar wants in life). Pre TV, internet, minds really being able to connect info... and Manifest Destiny on the minds, they wanted to believe & belong. Birthing soo many kids definitely helped it grow in numbers. (oh and men allowed to have multiple wives & older tired wives not wanting to "bedroom" all of the time) in an age when women couldn't say No!

[@sandygrant5956]

OMG...read the Scripture, in heaven there will be no marrying ...Matthew 22:30 for in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage!! Lord have mercy.

[@Agforever12]

A lot of the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible

[@rodagrail3231]

True words

[@hollyyoung649]

A lot of the new testament contradicts the old.

[@erikaannabosnyak9307]

At least there is a logical reason behind it. Jesus fulfilled the old law therefore there is a new one. This but somehow skipped their attention. ​@@hollyyoung649

[@PatrickThreewit]

You had better read the Abraham--Sarah story in the Bible.

[@1927su]

Lisa Ling sets the example of how to get along with your fellow Countrymen no matter how different they may be. Heres to Lisa!

[@livingdreadgurl8252]

I don’t think Americans can’t accept polygamy, it’s the underage children/brides we took issue with.

[@LauraYoung-b2r]

In NYS until last year a man could marry his under age lover who he had abused as a child basically. If charges of pedophilia were issued the much older man could marry a girl 15 and up to avoid prison. Know that.

[@huntnusa659]

I dont think thats an issue. Dont they have shows on TLC called seeking sister wife? I think 20% of America already accepts it sista.

[@stillhasitall2010]

@@huntnusa659 …..reading is fundamental.

[@huntnusa659]

@@stillhasitall2010 these groups don’t struggle with that anymore, sweetheart

[@sarahbell3038]

That's true. Polygamous couples are becoming more common, who cares what people do, BUT don't hurt kids

[@DogsnCakeHooray]

“This is the way God lives” Girl, how do you KNOW how God lives?! 🤦‍♀️

[@tokelomphahlele1544]

😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@Chasee445]

Only an offshoot of Christianity or another form of idolatry could produce people who can think of God in human terms like spouses and marriages

[@kcm7134]

God is not married. He created marriage for us. He made ONE woman for Adam, not multiple.

[@wannamlwithu]

That’s what i was thinking 😂

[@marynastanishevska8164]

She has been taught this since her childhood, that's the main reason

[@ninez2698]

For God’s sake, you can’t even share a loaf of bread with your sister wife when you share your husband with her?!☹️

[@barbaraminton4522]

They're programmed not to complain or show jealousy in marriage so you can see little things erupt into big things when you can't have an honest dialog about what really matters

[@lovelyletter7460]

Look at the husband they have! I’d be more angry about the loaf of bread too! 😂

[@jeannerountree952]

michael’s talking in a Michelle Dugger voice. He’s taking time to make sure of his words and he’s very soft with them. I don’t believe he talks like that every day .

[@ChildofGod-g8f]

Chad Daybell vibes

[@levicawley]

I know him, I live here :) surprising he does, he also makes amazing hamburgers, don’t forget we are still ppl, we still enjoy Christmas morning and we hang out with our friends, no limits. You want coffee ok drink coffee it’s up to you :)

[@nanwright2366]

Lisa Ling = QUALITY reporting

[@massiahgrom]

Outstanding. She's the best .

[@robinh7267]

This is the way God lives? This is what happens when men reduce God to his level 😢

[@IAmRetiredSoon]

You have never read the bible and it shows.

[@LaBlueBird]

Got that right

[@LaBlueBird]

@@IAmRetiredSoon- the bible is an ancient text full of fictional stories and also told men to stone a woman to death when another man looked at her. Get real, you are living a lie.

[@jackychela4638]

I know right 🤷the hell!

[@joeyree22]

This feels so delusional! You can live a moral, respectful, spiritual and full life without extreme or in fact any religious beliefs.

[@egeyermusic]

Lisa is a most compassionate and intelligent empathetic reporter

[@katiempojer]

Lisa Ling is a fantastic journalist the topics that she covers are amazing, diverse in a non judgemental style

[@brianal7143]

She wanted to marry her 6th grade math teacher...how disturbing

[@karenbeee4568]

If she were next to me at a party I’d think she was adorable!

[@peaches79]

She was groomed no doubt

[@Hbk-gc7st]

She gad a school crush on a teacher. That is normal in itself, but I think she misinterpreted those feelings.

[@roseyposey893]

@@karenbeee4568 what?

[@louisecampbell2628]

YEP!!

[@shannonleigh72]

Lisa needs to do an updated version of this. Since 2011 things have really changed in "The Creek". Centennial Park, Colorado City and Hildale are very different in 2024.

[@amandakidwell1740]

How so? It been a few since we heard about them....

[@larissatom6910]

@@amandakidwell1740the leader of the Colorado city and Hilldale group, Warren Jeffs, is in prison for life but still placing demands on his followers. This group seems less fundamental but I don’t know how what happened to Jeffs has impacted them, if at all.

[@mariejiminez1733]

​@@larissatom6910ths is true friends they are collaspibg within their community

[@workoutmom2b1g]

I don’t think Centennial Park followed Warren Jeffs. Just Hildale and Colorado City. Centennial Park is an offshoot.

[@AnaFerreira-kt8to]

Of course she's relieved that her husband has a new wife. After she gave him 6 children and is exausted.

[@mariec3527]

Exactly and probably gets Zero help from him . So to have another Maid in the house will be a relief

[@sabrinabyrd5826]

The little girls basketball team 🥲 hats off to the coach for pushing for this opportunity for them and encouraging confidence within them, so beautiful to see ❤

[@stillhasitall2010]

I don’t believe for a minute that the 6th grade story went down like that.

[@thecharlottean]

Did the darting eyes give it away? She looks like a liar.

[@jconlon3110]

He led her on..at? Minimum

[@LifeOfCandice]

@@thecharlotteanI wouldn’t say a liar but more of a defense mechanism.

[@OfGodandDairyCows]

Id rather spend my life single than share my husband with another woman.

[@itsinesantonio]

Me too!!!

[@ellerichardson1094]

Same 😂 I don't even want one of these sickos so y'all can have them ALLLLLLL 🤢 this whole life an the LDS is just sick once you look into it.

[@farnazg9057]

Not just one other woman, probably 6 other!

[@mamadoom9724]

The thought of my husband with another woman makes me absolutely crazy. No way I’d ever share him.

[@richardprice5978]

Id rather spend my life single than share my husband with another woman. im not particularly part of there religious ( the one's that follows B-young's 1880's/racism im not for but it's still under freedom of religion and church and government separation etc, kkl isn't protected by church and or there acting-out/violence ) branches/sect, my family is atheists and Christians and X-Jewish+atheist's, but there valid church just as santin-church something i might not like but at long as there not exploiting others and or kill/sacrifices-mess etc aka crime as far as being single and ( net worth under 5k usd and or temp-job@7usd-hourly and or vary close to homeless etc ) poverty's vs have 2 bi and or religious-Christian/atheist wife's and or sharing SO and millionaire-networth and dealing with ( 1-4~ ) kids, id rather not being ( partially pushed my family members away, partiality to her not doing anything for her Irish and or letting her physical-health go ) cursing myself again , so be careful what you ask for it might happen either way there correct/video/FLDS-release a socialite/woman-memberships about linked licensing 5max as a compromises and governmental job isn't to tell me how to practice my marriage/relationship or religion/weddings 👰👰🎩 but it's there as a instausion/government-license for making sure that HIPPA/heath-care and final-will and for housing+employment equality etc enforcement etc

[@leilagross1060]

Ok then if the man can marry multiple women, then conversely, a woman should be allowed to marry 3 men 😊

[@cyndieperez6267]

I'd love to see this with the rolls reversed ! One man rarely pleases a woman . How Can he possibly properly please multiple lol

[@POLYLIVING]

Polyandry😉

[@LilyBecca]

I'm like to see this, too. I know I could not handle multiple husbands. They are so naggy and needy. It would drive me crazy. Men say women are nags, but in my experience, it's the opposite!

[@teresawilson3893]

The whole point is that the more wives the more kids! It really doesn’t work the other way!

[@CynthiaJani-h8r]

How can one man afford to feed all these kids and wives?

[@mamacitabella1759]

I think Claude is adorable. I really do. I love elderly people and I appreciate his candor and his willingness to take the risk he did to share his perspective

[@here2laff397]

“This is how I believe God lives” LMFAO DELULU

[@Peac198]

😂😂😂😂 crazy thing is how the first prophecy the Joseph guy got was plural marriage.

[@brianal7143]

@@Peac198it is pretty convenient right 😂

[@TruthDefender-oq4gt]

No 19:00

[@ElleMS-14]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@salzissalz]

​😂😂😂😂

[@momwifenurselife]

I wish Lisa would have asked about the fact that there would be an abundance of unmarried men… because the math ain’t mathing.

[@baileyb123bb]

They find reasons to excommunicate extra young men. Look into the lost boys of flds

[@matthewtuttle1272]

You are right. In my heart, I believe that many young men are encouraged to leave the park. Also, they might be thrown out for the slightest infraction of their rules. You didn't see many young men in this film.

[@chernille4916]

@@matthewtuttle1272I think so too

[@benahinkur7132]

@@matthewtuttle1272 They are. A lot of them end up homeless, commit suicide or just struggle to survive. It's sad.

[@latinaalma1947]

They get PUSHED out there have been many interviews with them cruel...thee people are not really family oriented if they do such a terrible thing....there are many victims and those young men push out make up many of them.

[@asian1kong]

Man they got these girls trained

[@catherinethemba]

Yup. The males are free and have plenty woman.

[@user-ub5zn9on2v]

Maybe it’s in our nature 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@LindaWilliams-f9d]

They say we as woman make all the choices, but no one’s talking about how they’ve been brainwashed since birth… so really what choices are they making

[@AJ-ps2bw]

100%!!

[@kygal]

🎯

[@itsinesantonio]

Sad life

[@ChildofGod-g8f]

And the children are not benefitting. Too may children. You can't give them enough attention and can they afford them all? It's sad.

[@saythankyou111]

And the daughters growing up knowing their going to marry an old man……devastating and selfish old pervs 🇺🇸

[@Med_Zeb]

Since this is from 2011, it would be interesting to see how they're doing now.

[@aj8203]

I love when the basketball coach encouraged those girls to not be concerned with those ppl in the stands heckling them. When he told them...."Don't be intimidated by anybody on this PLANET!" I just cheered 🎉!

[@aliealieee]

god i miss this show so much. lisa ling is amazing

[@Erinlou11]

At 18 minutes is when I really was like whatttt theeee F?????? She was 12 and he was her math teacher I literally feel sick

[@randomthrowaway6669]

It's not outrageous for pubescent students to develop crushes on or be attracted to their teachers or other adults in their world. It's when the adults don't keep healthy boundaries up around their young infatuated charges that problems develop.

[@Erinlou11]

@@randomthrowaway6669 I totally agree it was 1000% his fault it was not her fault whatsoever. She was literally an innocent child but hearing her justify it just blew my mind.

[@Hbk-gc7st]

Eh...what did you hear that I didn't hear? She had a crush, nothibg happened, then when she was nineteen, she told her dad and the elders that she felt that she had to be his wife. Nothing happened before that. Not my cup of tea, but you act like they started a relationship when she was twelve.

[@randomthrowaway6669]

@@Erinlou11 No, it's not 1000% his fault. Based on what was stated in this vidoe, they did NOT have a relationship when she was 12, but that's when she developed a crush on him. She was infatuated with him from the time that she was 12 years old, when she was 19 she pursued him through her communities religious customs. Everything she said in this video was 100% above board.

[@kellyarnette4897]

Ask Kody Brown and his family how this worked out for them.

[@melstarr1864]

Even though they are saying that the girls ultimately make the choice on who they will marry, it seems that they have no other choices beyond marrying and having lots of children. Would they have choices to, say, be doctors?

[@jenfoster128]

Yes Theresa Michael's third wife waited to marry him until after she got her degree in Education. They also have their own nurse practitioners. One could go to medical school but most don't want to just like most regular people don't want to because it is such a long, hard road.

[@melissal3383]

Plus many use state programs so they can FEED their numerous children. Annoying… not worth my peace of mind but as a group they are costing the state more than they are helping the state… seems rather selfish to me

[@melstarr1864]

@@melissal3383 I was wondering how they could feed all those kids.

[@Shalayah2010]

Yeah, it seems like it’s just really an illusion that women makes the choices but at the end of the day it’s really the man that’s calling all the shots with this

[@mariec3527]

Or go on birth control

[@ariavie5413]

This is so sick that they believe this 🤢

[@SouthCoastJMG]

at the end of the day its religion hey/ cult & what they have been raised to believe all their life.

[@Deicide-xi5eo]

That's religion for ya.

[@PatrickThreewit]

But it's not sick when Christians believe some guy lived in the body of a big fish for three days???

[@nancyadams9228]

Documentary journalism that is well produced and sincere.

[@benahinkur7132]

The mental gymnastics these people do is insane. It's a way of life for them. It's not easy to convince them otherwise.

[@dionnedunsmore9996]

I didnt expect the girls to win their first ever outside basketball game lol thats incredibly cool that they did!

[@salzburg18]

Michael's artistic skills are spectacular 😂

[@roselee4445]

Yes. Like a child. A psychiatrist would have a field day

[@yogini3274]

How do these men provide for so many wives and children? Especially knowing what school teachers make.

[@annconforti9294]

They don't. Most of the women are on welfare! They support the men.

[@barbaraminton4522]

Since subsequent wives are not legal, they apply for public assistance as single moms. So we the taxpayers are probably supporting these huge families!

[@GD-oz7uy]

Welfare of course.

[@Kinikkanak]

The term for in utah is bleeding the beast. Yes they actually have words for it. Talk about welfare moms

[@karinland8533]

The not legal wifes file for child support. They gave fake fatheres names on the birth certificate . Some of the not legal wifes work outside

[@cathybassett6432]

What does she mean when she says she believes God lives this way? God has many wives?!! I wasn't aware God had any wives.

[@ChildofGod-g8f]

It feels blasphemous to me.

[@NHarts3]

Maybe they mean Zeus

[@roselee4445]

Nope. God has no wives

[@LifeOfCandice]

I was thinking the same! I do know some people take that one verse in Ephesians about being the bride of Christ and God being the head of Church out context. It means that are to have a close relationship with Christ, even closer than our significant other. But seems some believe that it means that man is to be in charge of multiple wives. Not the case!

[@roselee4445]

@@LifeOfCandice exactly. Bride of Christ not physically

[@dragana2245]

With their beliefs they are closer to Islam than to Christianity.

[@pragawa]

My thoughts exactly!

[@dianebrown8581]

Mormonism is a cult - does not resemble Christianity in the slightest. They say gospel...their gospel couldn't be further from the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

[@roselee4445]

Google the religion closes to Islam. It's mOrman

[@stillhasitall2010]

Each wife should have her own home.

[@mariec3527]

I believe some do

[@Anezandyambo]

It's incredibly sad how people use God's name to justify immorality, polygamy is regarded as sinful in the Bible.

[@arabaemelife7810]

THANK YOU!!🙌🏿

[@kellyalexander7347]

Joseph Smith their God is the devil

[@eurekandavani5089]

I always have this thought that these type of men will convince their daughters that marrying their father is what God wants for them

[@gijanetexas5770]

None of these girls are free to get the education they want, to leave and explore the world, and then come back to see if they actually want this lifestyle.

[@mariec3527]

Oh I don't doubt that , these men are sexual perverts and nothing is off limits to them

[@oneperson5760]

This cult is all about appeasing men's sexual wants, so why not? They can justify anything in the name of their god.

[@PatrickThreewit]

Maybe they read about that in the Bible, but you wouldn't know since you don't read that book. do you???

[@eurekandavani5089]

@@PatrickThreewit something is wrong with you.

[@nkengasong5078]

I had a vision and God told me to marry Daniel Craig 😁

[@wannamlwithu]

😂😂😂😂

[@MaxItUpwithMarta]

the problem is that when there is a divorce everyone gets hurt.

[@LighthouseLover1989]

I've got a boyfriend and a beautiful dog. They're enough work as it is. I've decided that I don't want kids, nor do I ever want kids. I feel like I'm making the most wise and mature choice that I possibly can, and I absolutely stand by that choice. Yes, I know that I can always change my mind, but I highly doubt that's going to happen. A 12-year-old little girl has no business thinking about marriage and making babies at that age, and especially not for the sole purpose of pleasing a man. She needs to take care of herself first and foremost. Babies shouldn't be having babies (and I should know because my mom had my sister and I at only 17 and 18-years-old). 🥺💔♀️💪

[@LilyBecca]

She didn't tell anyone about wanting to marry him until she was 19. Then, they were married 3 months later.

[@LighthouseLover1989]

It's still creepy because he was her teacher at one time, regardless of the age. 🤦🤷

[@melissal3383]

You are being mature & honest. My daughter (37) has chosen also to NOT have children. I completely respect her decision. Sure, some children are the most beautiful thing ever, as they grow into beautiful adults. BUT some kids, take a wrong turn, and bring nothing but misery. Even with wonderful parents. So young people should think long & hard. Life can be enjoyable but it’s generally challenging, even when kids are easy. So it’s a decision of how much more challenge do you want to ADD to your life??

[@lovelyletter7460]

Why are so many women getting useless mutts instead of having children? A dog is just an animal that will be dead in 10-15 years. Stop humanizing these things! They’re just animals! They shouldn’t be treated like the children you never had!

[@lallaynb7958]

Men made religion🫤

[@MistymeQueen]

These men are so creepy to me.

[@mailman63155]

And outside modern women who sleep around and have three or four baby daddies who let their kids live on welfare?

[@xxJodelleFerlandxx]

When the guy said that he would see an attractive woman but would have to wait a while to find out if he could marry her - that very much suggests he's ogling literal children. So gross.

[@hippy9309]

​@@mailman63155 these people ALL receive some form of public assistance. Be it food stamps, medicaid, cash assistance or all of the above. These women all desperately need mental health.

[@saltycat662]

@@mailman63155 And no blame on these 4 baby daddies? They helped create that baby too you.

[@LineOfThy]

@@xxJodelleFerlandxx what? how did you reach that conclusion?

[@Deicide-xi5eo]

What consent8ng adults do is one thing, but when there are children involved I'd think it would mess with thier heads.

[@brookelyndilldine6892]

Please do more investigating on this topic! I think closed off religious groups are very very interesting….

[@carter_1]

There's starting to be more docu's. Recently they've tried letting people understand vs. Hiding Peter Santenello has a whole series of different sects of Mormons (not all poly) but his series was interesting

[@CindaM.]

There are many good documentaries on here regarding polygamy if you do a quick search! There is also a channel I believe it’s called cult to consciousness and she personally interviews people who have escaped cults and closed religious groups!

[@JessMcCrossan]

​@@CindaM.Cults to consciousness is one of my face YT channels!

[@mariec3527]

It's considered a cult

[@RhondaRalph]

Thou shall not commit adultery. When he sleeps with any woman other than wife number one, they are adulterers. Christ never married.

[@LaBlueBird]

right!

[@IAmRetiredSoon]

Jesus never existed!

[@RhondaRalph]

@@IAmRetiredSoon even the polygamist spoke of Jesus Christ and only through him can we enter the kingdom of heaven.

[@Scoutbq1l]

@@IAmRetiredSoon yes He did.

[@FitzyS]

@@RhondaRalphjust say you’re in a cult and go

[@AmirahJoy]

I hope things worked out for Robert. He seemed like a good guy, struggling to find his place in the world. I hope he found it, whatever that looks like for him.

[@huntnusa659]

Very well done journalism. Good people just trying to love and live and love.

[@Nn-pb1sm]

Yeah.. lots of love going around for sure

[@missyb15]

I'd love an update of this story. Michael is so creepy.

[@TomHarrison-x8v]

How sad for the children

[@Cynthia2v]

Not all women in the early LDS church believed that a husband could have multiple wives. One of my ancestors left Utah, her husband and home with one child because she didn’t believe Joseph Smith’s doctrine on polygamy. She recognized false teaching because she knew what the Bible said.

[@PatrickThreewit]

But she had probably sustained Smith and the leaders as prophets, seers, and revelators. Did she leave the church ?

[@Cynthia2v]

@@PatrickThreewit yes

[@mariec3527]

Good for her 👏

[@PatrickThreewit]

Are you naive! Most active Mormon women today believe that the doctrine of plural marriage is from God and they know that when they get to the top or Celestial Kingdom, they will be sister wives. If you follow the Bible and its weird, contradictory, impossible teachings, churches and politicians can get you to believe anything.

[@oneperson5760]

I'm happy for her. Glad she escaped. I don't know how these people can ignore what Jesus said about marriage and heaven. And totally ignore the divinity of God, and seek, like Eve with lucifer, to become gods. It's totally against Christianity.

[@tammicami]

Lisa Ling you are awesome!

[@jameslaskowski2540]

Sad that finances were not discussed. Most family's of 4 or 5 would financially struggle. How can 1 man support 10+ kids???

[@calliecraft5780]

As long as its consenting adults... Who cares. Everyone lives and believes differently.

[@kygal]

I’m usually along those lines of belief, but my thing is them having SOOOO many children. Most of the time the can’t afford that many and it ends up being a pretty substantial burden on the state. I agree that adults can do whatever they want. I just don’t think they should be having that many kids.

[@elenakissin9973]

@@kygal and WE are feeding these kids and wives!

[@deekorbel5259]

I agree as long as the parents are financially responsible for themselves and all those children and everyone is healthy and happy (as one can be) I don't have a problem with it. If the families are relying on public assistance for their lifestyle I have a problem it. I'm not speaking of all polygamists but the majority of the families I've seen on TV/videos seem to hold the US government as "the enemy" and taxes and laws do not apply to them.

[@mariec3527]

​@@deekorbel5259 funny considering they are all up for grabs for the government assistance programs yet the government Is the enemy

[@aprilingram1655]

Don’t put God in this mess!!

[@ideenfee]

This should be the top comment!❤

[@rachelhutchinson8321]

Haha I love it! 👍🏼

[@Raesbudgetingworld]

How can you not put God into this when the bible talks about men having multiple wife. David had multiple wives. Esau had multiple wives. To be honest MONOGAMY is a new concept not polygamy.

[@Cheryl_Lynn1]

God changed that. He shall not multiply wives for himself, or else his heart will turn away . . . (NASB) Deuteronomy 17:17. It's also a commandment. Read the new Testament too. Just because the Bible records an event that occurred does not mean that God approves of it. ​@Raesbudgetingworld

[@samowens9603]

I guess they can as long as they specifically say God of Joseph Smith and their congregation.

[@caroldorsett8170]

I am just thankful my GG grand mother left her husband when he took a second wife just before the wagon train reached C.C. taking her three children with her one being my grandmother!!!!!!

[@meoct-ow7tu]

Wouldn't there be a lot of unmarried men since many of the ladies are married to a single men in the community?? Where do they get the money to support all this kids??

[@effieborchert985]

Look up the "Sons of Perdition."

[@effieborchert985]

And to answer your second question, - the other wives get state aid since they are considered single mothers.

[@ewaj.6260]

​@@effieborchert985that's meant tax paying people like us

[@mariec3527]

Yes they are the " Lost boys " they are thrown out so the older men can have many " YOUNG " wives

[@mariec3527]

​@@effieborchert985 the state should make it Illegal for these Mormons to collect state benefits

[@uigagisa6286]

These people are brainwashed, for real....

[@آزیتاشادکام]

I have so much respect for Lisa and her shows, it's so row and interesting. Great job❤

[@stillhasitall2010]

Theresa don’t want to go back she just doesn’t know anything else to do.

[@thedaileya3786]

I have no problem with polygamy at all...HOWEVER...i have a HUGE problem with an older man marrying a child!!!! Thats where the issues arise! That should never happen.

[@wydopnthrtl]

I agree. IMO a 50+yr old man is going to pass away in 25yrs (avg). He should see His children into at least 20yrs old.

[@FranziskaSZ-t2p]

Can't help it but I find all those guys really creepy, no matter which documentary I watch (not that many...), I am always wondering how on earth could anybody want to be with this guy?

[@AaAa-pf7tj]

Brainwashing

[@mariec3527]

Brainwashing and grooming

[@claudiacarrera9183]

Uh here we go, 12 she already knew Michael was going to be her husband. That is a cycle of abuse.

[@beautifulplaces2703]

Probably he was grooming her.

[@mariec3527]

It's did " SHE" really think that or was she " Told " that 🤔

[@jc7453]

Wrong information here. It is NOT an illegal practice to have lots of 'wives' because none of them are legally married!! They just do simple religious ceremonies that are never recognised by the state. It's not marriage as we know it.

[@brittanylacroix4432]

Maury povich is well known entertainment about many men with children by multiple women, without a legal marriage. Take the religion out how is it different?

[@mariec3527]

Just a bunch of dead beat fathers with his many baby mamas ​@@brittanylacroix4432

[@JMac-27]

Well you are sort of right. In Urah though they have made it a crime a felonious crime to live and call more than one woman your wife. It comes with a 5 year prison sentence. So even if they only do those spiritual unions if they run around saying my wife you can be arrested and serve time. They have had this law before but it was changed but then it came up again and I'm not exactly sure what the final outcome was but it was pretty far along and passed several votes. Currently I'm not sure if this law was put back in play or not but yep the issue was calling more than one woman wife.

[@sandiarthur9082]

What about the boys? The math doesn't work... if each man gets multiple wives, what happens to the "extra" men?

[@Chantililace]

If god meant for this to be the way of life then why so many of those who follow this tradition are met with turmoil and imprisonment

[@theirmom4723]

Think of the Biblical teaching of ....You will be persecuted for My namesake.

[@carter_1]

I don't know if that is the best argument said the Joo's, Christians, & Muslims caught up in religious persecution around the globe & for a millennia

[@RomyHouston-y9v]

Normal marriage has a 50% failure rate? Not supporting this, I am happily single, but to each their own?

[@EriksAngel15]

After watching HBO’s “Big Love”, it showed me a different perspective on polygamy/plural marriage.

[@mabb9205]

I’m an attorney, husband has a good job and we really struggle to buy nutritious food to feed our family of 4. How do you feed 20 mouths 3X daily?

[@doloresl.2150]

There's suspicious stories. Frugal life, to Mafia like to tax deductions to "where are the young men".

[@deekorbel5259]

Public aid.

[@AaAa-pf7tj]

State-aid for single mothers.

[@mariec3527]

They don't, they struggle badly even with all the government assistance they get

[@sjwilloughby-greene8214]

You can have my husband, but not my bread.🤨

[@mariec3527]

Because these men are trash and misogynistic af , can't lift a finger for anything. And they are starving considering having to feed multiple kids and a husband

[@gailbarton3799]

So sad how they have twisted the scriptures. ❤🙏 for them.

[@loriwerkmeister3545]

I enjoyed your interview and interception of what the difference between beliefs . As long as no laws are broken they should have the right to choose., and live free as we all are given rights

[@Adventures-with-Sisters]

This is the way God lives. Girl someone lied to you. Don’t blame your dysfunctional mess on God.

[@hollyyoung649]

No more bizarre than most religious beliefs... There's zero proof of any of our faiths

[@Dustandfuzz]

Joseph Smith wanted more young wives so he concocted the polygamy story. He said God gave him some gold plates which he buried so could never be found. How ridiculous. The man was not of God. Jesus said it was finished. He didn’t need Joseph Smith years and years later to add to anything he said and to destroy marriage.

[@WHAT_THE_F0XX]

How do you know this is the way god lives?

[@PatrickThreewit]

You really need to study your Bible. God commanded polygamy in one instance.

[@WHAT_THE_F0XX]

@@PatrickThreewit I'll pass. I prefer to read non-fiction.

[@marywolters3612]

Do not tell me that their children are happy and well adjusted, especially when they get older.

[@carolzek061]

Rough, who financially supports all these people?

[@Raina-bk1yv]

Honestly, what difference does it make? IF these people enter into this lifestyle, willingly, then leave them alone. IF there are any issues with abuse or domestic violence, then intervene just like for every other couple and relationship

[@KristinHall0918]

Wellll most of the time it's underage girls who are TOLD which 40 year old man they will become the 12th wife of so I hardly call that willing. They are raised to believe it's the only choice they have and if they refuse they are either kidnapped and forced or pushed out and shunned from anyone they know and love. I was watching one the other day where a form of punishment was outcasting the wife to live in solitude for months with no contact with her children. Willing. One thing. Brainwashed for a man's sick power trip is another. Oh or the ones where they marry their wives daughter's from first marriages. That's disgusting.

[@roselee4445]

I don't want them on welfare

[@melissah.robertson3865]

I have 2 kids and a spouse. I’m good. Lol

[@lisaadams1738]

I spent time in Utah and …nvmn…..I was as the only black person I saw first and we talked about the polygamy culture … it’s something I won’t understand. And in case those ask..I was in Provo… and Sundance. ❤❤❤

[@Milaa801]

Provo is literally full of Mormons. It's like a mormon hub 😂

[@JazzParrott]

Would you recommend Utah or certain area's there as a place to live as a biracial family? I've heard it was pretty nice there but never been.

[@lindseymiller8165]

Those aren't polygamous areas. The mainstream Mormon Church does not practice polygamy. Both Sundance and Provo are mostly mainstream Mormon. Also, I live in Orem, 5 minutes from Provo and I know several African Americans and several biracial families.

[@JazzParrott]

@@lindseymiller8165 Thank you !

[@suzystone244]

I've been to Utah many times. LOVE LOVE LOVE moab. St. George. For starters❤

[@robinanna5531]

What about the lost boys.

[@amandabillingsley9436]

Those are from the FLDS and it’s terrible, however this is not FLDS, different sect. Still weird.

[@tracygrist9550]

I have met many lost boys. It is so sad

[@SABBSubmit]

There are still " lost boys" in this sec they may go by a different name but they are there because the numbers don't work. s​@@amandabillingsley9436

[@roselee4445]

​@amandabillingsley9436. THIS is absolutely FLDS

[@mavigonzalezgee]

How do they avoid marrying close relatives with so many siblings in the same geographical area? Are there often genetic defects?

[@rosygreen7]

This community has the world’s largest incidence of a genetic disorder called fumarase deficiency. It’s caused by marrying cousins and close relatives. This has happened for generations. Fumarase deficiency causes severe mental retardation. There are also other genetic disorders emerging from this cohort. It’s no wonder. If you have 50-60 siblings on both sides, how the heck would you even know all your own siblings, let alone cousins. Cousin to cousin marriage from generation to generation from the Pakistani Community is starting to have significant burdens on their health system. Children are being born mentally and physically challenged and blind. I recently viewed a documentary on this topic and it is traumatising to see the poor innocent children inheriting miserable and painful lives due to their selfish ignorant parents.

[@bernaglassman7113]

Many genetic defects!!!!!

[@roselee4445]

They don't avoid

[@coldhibiscustea]

At least one group has actually started doing genetic testing to try to avoid birth defects and some other groups are doing only arranged marriages so the leaders choose people who aren't too closely related

[@mariec3527]

They don't avoid it and they do have alot of genetic issues

[@TheLuvbug2000]

All these men have the same kind of spooky slow low voice, it freaks me out!

[@Hollz811]

Creeps me out too! And none of them are particularly attractive either in my opinion.