Modern Society Is Failing Men & Women - Mary Harrington

[@ChrisWillx]

Hello cult members. Here's the timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:24 Challenges of Parenting 04:24 Invasion of Ukraine 09:00 Internet Sub-cultures 19:38 War on Relationships 27:33 Breaking Down Sexual Norms 38:00 Abortions & Shotgun Weddings 42:04 The Anti-sexual Revolution 52:14 Long-term Solutions 1:03:21 Stats on Motherhood 1:08:26 Where to Find Mary

[@mattpotter2148]

Your video description ends abruptly. You might want to finish it.

[@iohannesfactotum]

All hail

[@RKO1988]

Chad Williamson

[@jupiterjunk]

37:48 Had me concerned. By the look on your face, I thought we lost you.

[@deathcrxwn7812]

"@Chris Williamson" that is the best "INTERNET-SATIRE-PODCAST" I´ve ever seen

[@rickaccordion5900]

As a 67 year old I'm actually relived that I'm now at the age where almost none of this affects me. As this madness continues death will become my savior. Can't imagine growing up today in a world which is becoming an insane asylum.

[@fedup1606]

Once you realize that up is down and left is right, it gets pretty easy to NGAF. -35 yo male

[@bigcauc7530]

It is such a sad reality that we have to live in a climate that makes death seem like a release rather than an unfortunate end.

[@harijeevakumar2218]

the world's always been an insane asylum lol....you could pick up a book from 1900 and be like WTF

[@15751Chris]

Wonder how much your generations and those after you contributed to this decline.

[@bigcauc7530]

@@15751Chris wonder how quickly you'll realize it doesn't matter who's fault it is anymore.

[@Leo-mr1qz]

I remember my grandmother, a WWII nurse, tell me a story about working in a facility where they used to take unwed pregnant mothers to have their babies, then be given up for adoption. My grandmother was on the bus one day, on her way home from work, when she made eye contact with a young woman she had recongized from the clinic. My grandmother expressed how much shame this woman had in her eyes and demeaner, when she recognised my grandmother. (She told this story to me as a tween, so I'm sure the dramatics were intentional.) It was unheard of in society to have babies out of wedlock, back then. Nowadays, it's unusual to see children with 2 biological parents in one household. Oh, how the world has changed!

[@CommandoMaster]

The world has changed, but some things like human nature and regimes are still stuck in their old ways.

[@Leo-mr1qz]

@@pigwank8234 I've never read "Lolita," but that does make a lot of sense.

[@Leo-mr1qz]

@@sibyloftexas That is horrifying!! That made me tear up. That's one of the saddest most horrific things I've ever heard. My grandmother told me the story when I was a young girl. It has always stuck in my head. I never knew it had the kind of background that you have described. God Bless those souls that were subjected to such horrible misery and mistreatment.

[@Leo-mr1qz]

@@pigwank8234 So sad!!

[@domomomo2029]

@@sibyloftexas I'm pretty sure you are talking bs.

[@TheIronLiz]

Remember when people used to derive a great sense of belonging and satisfaction from getting married, having children, doing meaningful and stable work, and being able to measurably improve your standard of living from the previous generations? Pepperidge Farm remembers...

[@bigcauc7530]

Nowadays, you are single for the majority of your years, expected to live in a shitty apartment and job opportunities that will lead to something are sparse at best so you're stuck in a depressing loop of lonely existence, arguing on Facebook with ignorant feminists, or whoever really. Maybe the highlight of your day is hopping on a game and drinking.

[@JB-kx9bx]

Jeff Bezos and all the other oligarchs have sucked up all the money that used to end up in the pockets of the middle class.

[@death31313]

@@forgottenfuryan Its almost like they didn't actually hold any traditional beliefs.

[@guitarman0365]

@@bigcauc7530 bruh my life literally minus arguing with feminists.

[@matthewscott4629]

What/why do you think that changed?

[@Nerdvanna98]

It incredibly interesting to see how more conservative values are becoming a sub culture now that the mainstream culture has become so far left in practically every aspect. I'm 24 and I mostly considered my views more liberal but after seeing how far those values have been stretched and distorted I've definitely fallen back into a more conservative set of values as I work to reinvent my value structure to counter all the horrible movements I'm seeing be propped up by corporations, government and media. I've never had a girlfriend but the more destruction I've seen hookup culture do to our society the more intent I've become on finding someone to commit to and I couldn't be more content with that.

[@TheSpicyLeg]

In reality, it is a religious movement, even if people aren’t consciously aware of that. You’re reacting to a set of religious ideas that have supplanted the ideas that our civilization was built upon. The simple truth is that not all civilizations and religious values are equal. The ideas pushed now by progressivism lack purpose, so people are left with a feeling of listlessness and lack of fulfillment. We know that people will do many things to find purpose. Sex, intoxicants, materialism, and concocting radical political positions to champion are all examples. You, like many others, instinctually understand that these things don’t lead to purpose, let alone stability and true contentedness. We now can confirm this instinct with evidence. What you’ll find if you continue to think about this is that there is an actual moral order. Whether you believe this order is a natural occurrence or (as I believe) there is a divine source is a question only you can answer.

[@Nerdvanna98]

@@TheSpicyLeg You've said what I've been thinking about very well. The modern progressive movement is very much a new religion, focused around the worship of self and materialism and as I've come to reject that more and more and accept that there is definitive moral truth it's led me on a greater search for meaning in my life that I lack. I've realized through the works of people like Jordan Peterson just how much western culture is founded on Christian principles and although I've never been very religious, I have found my self exploring Christianity more as of late.

[@TheSpicyLeg]

@@Nerdvanna98 Quite so. While I obviously don’t know you personally, and you may not see it now, you’re quite fortunate (as I was 15 years ago) to be on this path at a young age. I’m nearly 40 and plenty of people my age are finding the truth through pain and anguish. Over the past few years, I’ve more than once sat and listened as someone recounts their regret for the past and fear for the future. Guys that can’t find women without baggage or kids to other men, women past their prime trying desperately to find a good husband and have kids before their waning fertility ends. I was married by age 21, first kiddo at 25, and back then it was nothing but laughter and claims I’d regret “missing out” on casual sex and “freedom”. There’s no schadenfreude for me. I genuinely feel pity for them. It is awful to see a person facing 30, 40, 50 years of loneliness and regret. Not to get into your personal business here too much. You’re young enough and thoughtful, so you can avoid this fate. Good luck.

[@comac2373]

@@Nerdvanna98 Brother I would like to encourage you and say you are on the right track. There is most certainly definitive moral truth. We see good and evil playing out in this world everyday. We see people crying out for justice, and if there is a "next life" or "spirit realm" which there is, then these things should exist there too, which means that there is also some form of a Judge and a judgement. How do we reconcile things like justice, mercy, forgiveness, and love in this crazy world? The moral truths of the Bible can speak for themselves, although some distort them due to one reason or another. It dives into very real and often tough realities in ways that nothing else ever truly can or will because, well, it is indeed the truth. The Bible was not just written by people, it was written as the Holy Spirit moved upon them and they wrote. There lots to say I won't get into it much more now, but I wish the best for my brothers and want to encourage them. I will leave off with some Scriptures: "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." -1 Corinthians 14:4-7 "Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends." -Jesus, John 15:13 "Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us" -Romans 5:7-8

[@rklos11]

Try listening to some punk music?

[@happyfacedleaf7349]

her statement about parenting at the very beginning of the podcast, was spot on. thats how i raised my son and he turned out amazing. while others around me thought i was too hard on him.

[@nichtsistkostenlos6565]

Right, it is absolutely imperative that you impart a strong sense of morality to your children. There are right and wrong ways to do this, but WAY too many parents I meet are all too willing to let their children become tyrants that rule their household. Parenting is not a negotiation between you and your child. It is a respectful, loving, long-term training class on becoming a real, functional human being. More parents need to take their responsibility here far more seriously than they do.

[@Kat22Kit]

Yep, it’s how my mom did it too. Bath, book, prayers, rock me to sleep and I was asleep before 6pm every night. Then she had the whole rest of the night to herself & I slept like a rock till 6am.

[@ModernLady]

And now some people are saying you need to ask your child’s consent before changing their diaper 🤦‍♀️

[@zalamael]

Weak parents will always criticise strong parents, insulting them as being too harsh etc, because it makes them feel ashamed because they lack the strength to raise their children with discipline. They spoil their kids, and delude themselves that they are the good parents, and anyone who doesn't feed their kids junk food, let them stay up late, have whatever they want etc, is being too hard. As always, there is no value in caring about what weak losers think of you.

[@carolyna.869]

The no teenage subcultures is REAL. I passed my old high school, which used to have preppy kids, stoners, skaters, hip hop people, theater people, jocks, guidos (this is New Jersey), of the male and female variety-- now every single kid looks exactly the same. Giant boxy sweatshirt, oversized pants, charmless, depressed, neutered. I saw one kid in moccasins, I wanted to stop my car an hug him! He was the only deviant from the norm at the school I know call Depression Academy. I just assume the kids have no personality or gender. Maybe it should be called New World Order High?

[@Elizabeth-kn4jh]

@@thereisnosanctuary6184 I’m 19 and I agree with this.

[@Martin-88]

I think a lot of this is down to social media and bullying. Kids don't want to stand out anymore because they'll get shamed online.

[@martynspooner5822]

Very strange phenomenon I always thought teenagers rebelling as part of nature and just an unavoidable part of passing through those years. But as was said whichever way they go will be commercialised within 48 hours and that is a certain death.

[@Brothaman]

(Haven’t watched the whole vid yet) I don’t think modern teenagers are as monolithic as you think lol, but I do get where you’re coming from at quick glance. Also modern teenagers look a lot alike dress wise (maybe more so than they used to in past generations) because of social media. A large % of social media feels like high school. Social media is now a giant high school. High school dynamics continue past high school into social media. So being a teen in and of itself is the subculture. There’s no need for them to look all that different from one another - they’re simply trying to look different than the late 20s and 30+ year old kids.

[@tonycatman]

Fact check : true. The subcultures used to follow music - back when it cost almost nothing to go see a band, and it was the defacto group outing. There used to be punks, goths, rastas, baggies, mods, rockers, new romantics, teddy boys, hair metal fans, heavy metal fans, indie, hippies, country and folk fans....

[@noahbodie3075]

Too many parents want to be friends with their children. The parent's job is to raise an adult that will be ready to take care of themselves and others by the time they are 18.

[@bwake]

You can be friends with your children, once they are grown and independent.

[@randacnam7321]

Old Scottish saying: "Ye can be friends wi' yer we'ens when they're young, or friends when they're old."

[@christravisedgar]

@@shadowfax333what’s the other option, to allow the wheel to grind to a halt on your watch? Raise your kids to be better than you, evolution is a long game and we should be cautious trying to intervene too radically. Just succumb to the wheel and lay another brick.

[@noahbodie3075]

@@shadowfax333 of course life and parenthood are more than that. You have to find your way to your best self, be an example, and help your children develop skills so that they can find their best selves.

[@newtonia-uo4889]

They have confused tolerance and love, to tolerate children's bad behavior has been drilled into the parents as them loving their child when in truth, to love your child is to be intolerant of the bad behavior of the child because you love him/her.

[@fatgeekuk]

I think systemic sadness arises when a classification of people are together experiencing some iniquity but don't understand or appreciate it. When members DO realise what is happening that is making them sad, that sadness transforms to anger.

[@JJ-wi2uw]

This is more a feature of the "system" than a bug.

[@independentinstallations8419]

I think its simply overstimulation on all fronts at all times. As a drug addict loses their natural regulation of the Dopamine system pretty much any overstimulation causes the same issue. This is the exact phenomenon causing urologists today to be being herds of young men in early twenties some in teens with E.D. that is very difficult to correct as they have rewired their system through the 24/7 availability of porn and the overall awkwardness of young people to interact socially its set up in a way to lure them in to simply writing off relationships as they fall short of having such options and categories they can choose from their fav porn site and at no cost or risk least not that they are told about until they finally meet a woman and learn they cant function with just a simple human being that only has one category which bores them as they are accustomed to the equivalent of a morphine drip of dopamine they receive from the comfort of their room and without even worrying about if they've showered yet that week. This has been studied now for years yet still kept silent for the most part

[@manfrombritain6816]

Chris is a chad so the current 'game' benefits him, yet he discusses this stuff often. Hero.

[@danielbezjak1479]

It does and it doesn't. The current situation may benefit 'chads' if their intention is to simply sleep with lots of different girls. That gets old, and by the time you realize how shallow an existence that is, you are too damaged and jaded to really be able to form a healthy relationship. Not saying it's completely impossible, but after witnessing female's devious behavior first hand over two decades (lying, cheating and down right disgusting things they're willing to do) it becomes very difficult not to view them all the same way or at the very least be highly skeptical of any girl presenting herself to be a 'good girl'. I've been there, done that and got the t-shirt and honestly I'm sometimes a bit envious of the guys who were never good with women, who found that one homely looking girl when they were younger and built a life together.

[@billsimms2511]

@@danielbezjak1479 yep, guys on here act like the life of a ‘Chad’ is a very rewarding and fantastic life. Quick and easy sex is really not the best path forwards happiness for numerous reasons lol. Then again it is better than getting no sex so there’s that

[@angelcandelaria6728]

This is has been the absolute best female speaker I have listened to in these times. Well said! Thank you!

[@boondoggle4820]

Feminism intentionally set out to destroy relationships between men and women. It turned organically approaching women into a form of attack and abuse and said that relationships are oppression for women. Now people are extremely shallow and have no idea what joy is, which I believe is the real reason there’s so much depression in this society now. People’s need to prove that they’re shallow and cool and don’t need anyone is the reason for a lot of people’s depression I believe.

[@nikolairose2739]

Yeah no one wants to be abused/betrayed/manipulated/gaslighted/hurt. All cowards afraid to face life head on, discomfort and all. My ex. Female friend has the issue in which she thinks being with a man will dissolve her personality and she will lose a part of herself in conforming to him. She fears this and is wary of men for this reason. These unjustified fears are what cripple us as a society today.

[@ambeegaming76]

As a 32 year old female were men ever worth being in a relationship with? The only 'happy' ones I know are people in their late 40 early 50s that got hitched in their 20s.

[@juliantheapostate8295]

@@ambeegaming76 No they weren't. Stay away from them

[@manfrombritain6816]

I literally had a 'situationship' for a year and a half with a girl who was too obsessed with proving how she didn't need anyone. There were glimpses of what it could have been... But she was too scared. She insisted she hated kids, yet one time in the park these 3 little ones were playing a game with us and I'd never seen her so happy and excited. It's fucking sad

[@robbenvanpersie1562]

@@manfrombritain6816 anti natalism is increasing everywhere

[@hmk7063]

Mary Harrington is such a gem (and always a delight to read). So pleased you interviewed her.

[@BraedenTheG]

“What lies behind you and what lies in front of you, pales in comparison to what lies inside of you.” - Ralph Waldo Emerson

[@Macheako]

BBC?

[@BraedenTheG]

@@Macheako 💀💀💀💀

[@lordofthered1257]

@@Macheako What does the British Broadcast Company have to do with anything?

[@Macheako]

@@lordofthered1257 I’m a man of many cultures 😘✌️

[@ishmael_03]

"I think attacking chivalry as a set of social codes has been one of the most savage self owns that feminism has possibly come up with." - Marry Harrington

[@secteurh2]

She's wrong. The shortcut made between reduced chivalry (as a consequence of increased equality and feminist action) that counter intuitively led to more violent male behaviour sounds like non-sense to me.

[@xraceboyex]

@@secteurh2 Who said anything about violence? Your comment seems completely unrelated to the original post, to me

[@SethTurnerPrinting]

You’re all wrong, because chivalry has almost nothing to do with women and every thing to do with warfare rules for nobility.

[@ishmael_03]

@@SethTurnerPrinting Chivalry is a code of ethics created by the Christian church to help curve the violence tendencies within men and as society advanced technologically chivalry was the used as a way for men to treat women who are like the Bible says "the weaker vessel."

[@secteurh2]

@@xraceboyex Did you listen to the podcast or only the first introduction quote that is headlined here?

[@charlesstanford1310]

This woman has my trust! I'm glad to hear someone else make that point about the effects of contraception around 37. Agency is not the same as license. If you claim agency to act in an arena, that includes accepting and preparing for the consequences of your actions, and so agency behooves you to know about and prepare for consequences. The sexual revolution put swords in the hands of too many who couldn't dance yet. When you reduce something as powerful as human sexuality (founded on layers of evolutionary mating strategies and the resultant complexes of emotional and social meaning built up over countless generations) to a trivial pleasure like "a cup of tea" then you're stupid not to expect big problems. There's been a lot of hand-wringing among my faith group (LDS) about the damaging oppressive effects of "purity culture" on our sexual agency (particularly the sexual agency of women) but the more I hear commentary like this, the more I appreciate the moral codes of conservative religious traditions. Alain de Botton wrote about this: religions get maligned for repressing sexuality, but they do so precisely because they understand how wonderful it can be.

[@guitarman0365]

Hiding back sex allows you to fully unleash when married. Every thing becomes new and exciting. Then there is actually somewhere to go with it. To explore. To experiment. You know, what everyone already has done before they get to you these days and now compare your abilities to everyone else's. Thus women get easily bored and already know everything you could possibly do to her. Religion was never about looking down on sex....just keeping it within the confines of a husband and wife.

[@manfrombritain6816]

@@guitarman0365 nicely put yeah. It totally loses how special it is to share and develop these things now with people banging lots of others.

[@hiotsobo]

Until they fix the court systems that incentivize me and other guys to never get married, to me, this won’t end. If a woman can have my pension and half my assets after we split when she expended 0 energy to acquiring those assets and security, marriage will always be a risk that I’m not willing to gamble with. The stakes are too high

[@rootcanal7188]

Correct. That's why the marriage rate is the lowest in American history.

[@Nah_Bohdi]

Thats by design, tbe government profits off of criminals and delinquent adults. The west is Anti-Family, Anti-Man, Anti-Law and Order.

[@peacehunter26]

The courts took these actions out of short sighted response to a few women complaining they were cheated during a divorce. Look at Netfix and the tinder movie. The same engagement is happening again. On line dating has cheated men for years, but men do not complain. A few women fall pray to their on desires and then loose and laws must change to ensure this never happens again. Is this really a good idea?

[@heyhoe168]

@@rootcanal7188 sad part is, the trend is pretty much international.

[@juliantheapostate8295]

You'd be better off putting half of what you own on black or red. Then you might win

[@ShahabAhmad1398]

"Through an existential apocalypse where Tik Tok girl bosses and men going their own way are battling it out for nihilistic supremacy" what a description. Quite the writer you are Chris.

[@Cybertech134]

@@easter_sunday That's a very good way of putting it. I haven't thought about it in that way

[@sallyhemings2295]

@@forgottenfuryan 🙌🏽👌🏽

[@Wheres-my-toes-bro]

@@Winterascent I watched a video about that experiment a few years ago, and I couldn't help but think a similar model was being applied in some capacity on humanity.

[@stonemarten1400]

MGTOWs will win, as relationships are far more central to the essence of being a female than a male, both in biology and human society. A man can be relatively happy single, as long as he can find a sexual outlet when his hormones are raging in his youth.

[@newtonia-uo4889]

​@@easter_sunday if that is the best option they are chasing, then this society is dead and should not be applauded as a model, run away from the american model in all of its aspects but most of all, its culture in the modern era.

[@TheNelsonsd]

As a 32 year old recovering emo, I have a deep desire to see the pictures of Chris’ time as an emo - fringe and all…

[@ScareTooth]

Holy shit ive never seen an emo reach 32 yrs of age before.

[@bongwatercrocodile315]

@@ScareTooth savage lmao

[@chaucerianfraud6767]

"Chivalry is dead, And women killed it" -Dave Chappelle.

[@chaucerianfraud6767]

@ettiya Nice generalization.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Who is it required by? No one

[@chaucerianfraud6767]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 Who required your inane response to a joke?

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

@@chaucerianfraud6767 Having autonomy I can do whatever I want

[@chaucerianfraud6767]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 Until SCOTUS rules. Then you will cry.

[@vauhner81]

As a 41 year old man who raised two kids by himself I can tell you it is all about parenting. My kids, as toddlers would come and get me to take them to bed. It was just a part of our lives. They are both grown now and both continue to entertain good sleep habits. Parent your kids. They will thank you for it.

[@lobodk]

She’s talking about young men like me turning 30 & rewiring the way I view sex & relationships. Studying more about culture, & forming a set of philosophies or lived experiences to address it.

[@lobodk]

@@CreativesSecrets thank you feels beautiful too🙏🏾

[@MrJimmyboi12345]

Spot on my man. This is me too

[@noleenole8254]

I’m a 37 year old tattoo artist. I pretty much make people have this conversation everyday lol. This woman is spot on

[@ishmael_03]

These conversations must be had.

[@RKO1988]

Can you tattoo my tootsie roll

[@ryanvacation7319]

Hehe my barber for 20 years told me the same thing the other day.

[@kcb8130]

@@RKO1988 sure, do you have the optics available to help see and locate your aforementioned roll? Haha

[@CYellowan]

The hero we all spire to be.

[@Aquamentii]

RE: Teenage subcultures, I went to a high school that had a huge focus on fine arts and I think it helped a lot. We had subcultures develop for all of the different departments: Guitar (my own), orchestra, band, choir, theater, film/AV, even piano was its own little clique. It provided an extra identity for you to rely on. When my friend group collapsed sophomore year, I started spending lunch in our guitar room practicing and helping other students. Made new friends that way, and it was great.

[@maxjohnson1758]

OooO, she gets real circumspect at about the 50 minute mark. That's when she was basically trying to say feminism and MGTOW are the same thing, but she is so genuine and intelligent in general she could barely get it out. She knows the truth and it is truly frightening her. Interesting.

[@yungacid1]

What Mary said about the disappearance of teen subcultures really hit me deep. I've thought the same for a long time.

[@nikolairose2739]

I really clicked with me in speech class in college. I realized most speakers had no kind of personality or confidence in their delivery. We had all grown too uniform in our being. I thought back to old videos of high school kids in the 80s or 90s. I thought of their uniquely developed voices. Their faces were more animated and diverse. They each had style and lingo which reflected who they were. There were much more variations in tonality and loudness. I myself sounded very lifeless and robotic and even when I try and add emotion I sound disingenuous. I asked my older professor about it as he still had the the personality of a properly developed individual. He agreed that the youth of today were indeed much less animated than before. It's really crazy when you think about it.

[@samuelreiter6412]

Perhaps because they spend more time texting than talking, they haven’t developed their communication skills.

[@yungacid1]

It very well could be. The same thing occurred in my speech class. I think it comes down to several factors. I think the trope of textual communication preference is only a symptom of a much deeper issue. The problem mostly stems from social ineptitude induced by excessive simulated experiences. Thinking back to my own childhood, it was rare that we were ever left completely to ourselves long enough for us to let our guards down and explore the full range of our "exploratory circuits". We were regimented in school 8 hours a day, where everything we learned seemed so disconnected from our real lives, and no adult could explain sufficiently why this has to be the case. Not even a rudimentary sophist non-answer. In a way it's consistent; no one else can really tell you your fate. However, the nature of the exercise...study all semester, take some test, then poof, no mention of that stuff anymore. Subconsciously your mind will inevitably ask you, "wtf was all that for, precisely?" And when your conscience mind can't keep up with rationalizations, that's when the trouble starts. When everything is a performance, you learn to distance yourself from your own true emotions, which would explain the development of lackluster personalities. You cannot persuade without conviction, and conviction cannot be manufactured by the threat of a failing grade. Not just school, but this dynamic extends to other relationships with authority figures; and the denial of opportunity to negotiate the precession of these exchanges (even slightly) further compounds the issue. I'm probably missing something else but hey, it's the internet, not rhetorics, and it's also 1:28 am

[@ambeegaming76]

I was a goth until emo became a thing then it was the cool thing to make fun of all the goths for being emo. I miss Goth, Emo, & Scene they had style.

[@steveb9713]

I wonder what is the American graffiti, fast times, breakfast club, dazed and confused, American pie, or Superbad of today? High school movies don’t seem to capture that cult status anymore

[@samuelreiter6412]

“Women are their own boss when they’re stay-at-home mothers.” Profound truth. Feminism messed up a good thing.

[@tinamenon1593]

Who pays the mother to stay at home and support accommodation, life and food if the father leaves/dies/can't work? That never happens..... Short term platitude put forward by a middle class person who clearly has never known poverty.

[@stonemarten1400]

@@tinamenon1593 A woman might not be able to control if her man dies, or becomes disabled and can’t work, but she can chose a good man and keep him happy, so that he will support the family and won’t leave her and the children. This is actually most men, but women aren’t particularly attracted to these normal decent guys, preferring the excitement of the bad boys.

[@juliantheapostate8295]

'A woman might not be able to control if her man dies, or becomes disabled and can’t work' She could however, buy insurance/assurance

[@GabrielleTollerson]

facts!!

[@tinamenon1593]

@@juliantheapostate8295 well she can't afford it, if he's got the salary and she doesn't. He could put the equivalent of a 30 Yr career for her plus a decent over inflation compound interest amount in escrow for her, if he should leave/die/get incapacitated to work. Then she can call on that to protect her... but who wants to do that? Or else, what do women who don't rely on the fairytale that their spouses promise at the start do? They work and try to maintain careers throughout their lives....you simply can't guarantee the endurance of marriage at 50% odds, the worst odds in history.

[@blackmanops3749]

Spot on about the need for male-only spaces/outlets.

[@JimmyMFP]

It is terrifying to see 'women' collectively striding towards 'more equality' in lifestyle, basing their 'collectively idealised' lifestyle on the male paradigm. And, in turn, doing so without considering, at state level, as well as at basic community level, how this will actually impact society as a whole. It's unfortunate, tragic even. Women really ought to be striving for a new female paradigm of life, rather than relentlessly pursuing a course of destroying gender roles, norms, traditions, and gender itself, in order to achieve 'equal footing'; men and women are different, and that's actually absolutely fine, dare I say it. I would say at the same time it's also on men to direct themselves at re-introducing chivalry - which is a losing game for every man that does it currently, as those so-called 'alpha' men that don't are already succeeding and outcompeting 'decent' men in mating, due to hypergamy, the ratio of accessable relationships matters. It's not surprising when you reduce or nulify the standards of behaviour to hedonism in society, that that's how people will behave, and emphasise the importance of sexual status and appearance. A very interesting video.

[@ishmael_03]

It is Marxists who have ingeniously manipulated the ever changing liberals into their pawns for undermining the foundations of America: God, family and country.

[@tonycatman]

I heard a great meme this week. - For the last 100 years, women have been mistaking the pursuit of equality for "copying what men do"

[@ishmael_03]

@@tonycatman That quote is very true. If you notice the portrayal of women in modern film and TV shows you will see that they all act masculine.

[@GudieveNing]

Spot on. Go see my local paper, The Worthing Herald today, March 7 2022. Three different headlines moaning that only 1/3 or so of the town council are women. So what?? (It's women's day tomorrow apparently. Is there a man's day?) All unethical unecessary nonsense.

[@-Gorbi-]

Why should men reintroduce chivalry? Why is it on them to do that? If I have a partner and he chooses to act chivalrous, that’s fine, because we know eachother. Why should a man assume he owes special politeness to a society which has spent so much time rejecting it?

[@matmac888]

Changing family law in regards to marriage would get men more excited about marriage, at the moment most men lose 70% of their assets in divorce.

[@feels6233]

Became aware of this on college when learning about the dark side of commodifying literally EVERYTHING. Nothing is off limits in a capitalist economy. thanks for hosting this .

[@ScareTooth]

Exactly, capitalism is evil. Vote Joe Biden

[@Secretname951]

I’m impressed at the conversational chemistry between these two! Please have her back more often Chris!

[@Moshm4n]

"You really made me feel like a boomer there." "Clearly I need to go out and touch grass." Hilarious exchange 😆🤣

[@natedoherty3462]

I want jordan peterson and Mary Harrington podcast asap. I would pay to listen to that podcast

[@robertabrahamsen9076]

I want to listen to her talk to Camile Paglia, Heather Heying, and/or Karen Straughan.

[@Ryan-Horgan]

I always enjoy it when Chris drops a full podcast. Unfortunately I don't have much time atm due to having a second baby, so I get in 20 mins here and there. But you know what, I've found the ideas discussed in those 20 mins makes more of an impression on me. Every silver lining

[@UltraVioletFlight]

If you have Spotify you can find him there so you don't always need to rely on KZbin, you can also download it to save on data when on the move, hope this helps!

[@ChrisJenkinsOfficial]

Listening to podcasts at 2x speed is a game changer

[@Saveg36]

Baby?

[@arthurw8054]

Mary Harrington is I think the most brilliant contemporary critical thinker I've ever encountered. So if she recommends a movie called Withnail & I, then, by God, I am going to watch it.

[@ThisAutomaton]

"meme first, ask questions later" Hahaa! This lady is a treasure.

[@elcolin_]

Excellent, another underrated podcast. Almost wish Chris could do more podcasts in person in real life / real time, but this is still good. I'm thrilled to see him engage in the so called "red pill" stuff, or a better more broadly described problems with modern dating, the relationship between modern men and women, and social media. I fully believe the advent of hormonal birth control will have a bigger impact on humanity than the invention of the nuclear bomb.

[@JJ-wi2uw]

Never in the history of humanity have women been more entitled and never have they demanded more enablement and validation. If you understand this, the rest starts to make sense.

[@GGg-sr3ph]

Mgtow isn’t a direct cause. It’s just a response. People wanna pretend men and women are equally at fault. Lol. Talk about gynocentric. It’s not like women are primarily to blame for the current culture because they learn their behavior from the culture, but their learned behavior is what keeps this culture going.

[@tinamenon1593]

Who exactly is going to care for you in your old folks home when you are old and cannot support yourself. It will happen sooner than you think. Your son? or your do you expect your daughter to do it? If you have a daughter, were you a good father who respected and cherished her mother or thought her mother was a person who felt entitled and to demand more and more validation? And then you expect that entitled daughter to care for you? If you don't have children or you decided to leave your "entitled and demanding" wife, I suspect its an "entitled and demanding" woman who isnt related to you will be feeding you and wiping your backside. I hope for your sake she is good natured and kind and doesn't think all old men are disgusting, demanding constant validation and entitled Life goes full circle

[@juliantheapostate8295]

@@tinamenon1593 'Who exactly is going to care for you in your old folks home when you are old and cannot support yourself.' Either your kids who can't be arsed or someone else who can't be arsed. Either way, it's the same

[@billsimms2511]

Yes and the kicker is they seem to be unhappier now than they have been in decades. It’s strange

[@JJ-wi2uw]

@@billsimms2511 That's what happens when you go contrary to hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and biology.

[@TheRexTera]

“Blockchain of consent…” We are now pushing for making consent into an NFT😖

[@Nah_Bohdi]

A LEDGER FOR EVERYONE'S SAFETY!

[@natedoherty3462]

Mary is , as I've said about tim dillon, an absolute national treasure even though she's not American. She's a treasure

[@mowerds33]

The prawn spiral into dark stuff is real. I've experienced it myself so many times, then you have to take a few weeks off to reset so you quit going down the drain into the sewer.

[@mbolduc]

I have lost pretty much all of my chivalry, or at least the kind that puts me at physical risk. I did it without thinking for 50+ years. About four or five years ago I heard Karen Straughan talking about the value of men in society and it was the first time in decades I'd heard anyone speaking positively about what males provide to the larger society. Realizing this made me feel like the worst thing you can be these days: a sucker. I'd do anything to protect and serve the ones I love, but I have nothing for strangers these days.

[@marchess7420]

rather pathetic. i doubt you were ever very chivalrous.

[@mbolduc]

@@marchess7420 You sound vaccinated

[@MrFrank107]

Eventually, people will understand that when they do degenerate things, life, in general, gets hellish. Go back to standing on the shoulders of giants (Tradition is the new Rebellion).

[@Angelenergy123]

Thank you, Chris and Mary! What a gem of a discussion!

[@lakemnster9495]

"We're going to meme ourselves into international nuclear war. And that is fucking terrifying." Indeed, Ms. Harrington, indeed.

[@sit-insforsithis1568]

Good thing it didn’t happen then

[@martynspooner5822]

I really agree with so much of what she is saying here. She says things that I have not questioned or even thought about in some cases.

[@umeng2002]

It's also the expense of relationships and meeting people in real life. Especially over the past two years, but trending the same over the past 10 or 15 years, just commuting to a social gathering, going for a night out, or even just renting/ buying a small place has increased in price way beyond wages and the official inflation numbers.

[@cedricbethea358]

Chivalry is definitely over and done with in 2022. Most young men under 20yrs old think that men and women are exactly the same even physically. For example, in dangerous and emergency situations most believe from now on it should be children first, not women and children first. Most young men even think that women should be drafted to fight on the front lines too. A lot of younger men want 50/50 romantic relationships as well. Is this good for society 🤔

[@JB-kx9bx]

The US hasnt had the draft men or women since the 70s.

[@TheSimonG]

@@JB-kx9bxUS women have never been drafted and US men today have to sign up for selective service in order to vote or get access to federal funding, failure to do so can get 250K fine. Even though the supreme court has ruled it unconstituional. Ukraine gets invaded and it's only women and children out and all men 18/60 obliged to stay and fight.

[@oblivion_2852]

To put marriage back on a pedestal requires there being ZERO benefit to divorce. Which there's too much money against that happening for it to happen until the demographic collapse

[@sallyhemings2295]

Marriage is just a choice it shouldn’t be pedestalized

[@GGg-sr3ph]

@@sallyhemings2295 ....yes it should. It is the foundation of family. Unless you wanna be some cutesy bitch single mother who complains about men all day

[@Scrubermensch]

@@sallyhemings2295 Strongly disagree, without a societal pressure to keep people married, a lot of kids grow with divorced parents and society fractures itself under the guidance of inept human beings.

[@8Maduce50]

@MaryCatherine yes if there is an even 50/50 split. Also alimony needs to be done away with

[@8Maduce50]

@MaryCatherine to bad so sad, she is apart of the marriage and let it go to hell aswell. Sell the house split the assets move on. You're not entitled to relationship benefits after it ends. Be like the man saying he needs a monthly bj because he's used to it. Now imagine Being the guy being destroyed in divorce because chances are its the women initiating it. Now he has to lose his house, still pay her alimony, plus child support, and still not get to see his kids. No wonder men refuse to pay. You just keep screwing them for money and only see them as what they can provide you. Plus we don't live in thag world anymore. 2 working parents is the norm.

[@randr302]

Thank you so much for introducing her to me!! I am eagerly waiting for her book!

[@EM-bp5zv]

Tension between young men and women is the most complicated interaction in humans. With values imposed or counter imposed we will have productive or counter productive results. My own life experience of catholic mother and tradesman father with 7 siblings leading to divorce and disfunction. I did not want children. My wife raised by an executive class father and independent mother 3 sibling also ended in divorce then her parents remarrying. Each finding a more agreeable spouse. My now wife also not wanting children. Wife hits forty wants children so much that she is willing to divorce if I do not. We then have two children and I hate that I am 65 when the two girls are 20. My wife has impressed on my daughters the feminist view of oppression (her sister and mother) and no matter how agreeable I am I remain the oppressor in her eyes, my daughters, and her friends. I try to impress upon my family that the culture is not the sum of its faults but your personal ability to admit your desires to your mate and community. The age gap and popular culture make it a losing battle.

[@Dylan-ko2gj]

Damn, thank you for sharing this. Just goes to show that people change. Would you recommend marriage in general?

[@geoffreyokrongly916]

You are a father, and you aren’t taken seriously. You were coerced into parenthood, and then you actually betrayed yourself when you complied. She betrayed you when she threatened you with divorce, and you betrayed yourself when you agreed to have the children. That was the day she lost respect for you, and she will never regret poisoning your daughters against you. She continues to do it in front of your face because those children’s existences are proof that you’ll put up with anything. Now there are two more brainwashed girls riding the carousel. But hind sight is a bitch. Just remind your daughters to plan for their families. Someone has to. You will catch Hell. But someone has to say it to them. Out loud. In the same room. With eye contact. It isn’t a lecture, it is a single sentence. “Please remember to plan for your family.” The more upset they are about it, the longer they will think on it. The longer the better. So the more pissed they are, the better you should feel.

[@AtheismF7W]

@@geoffreyokrongly916 damn.. well said. Made me think hard.

[@sundancekid2539]

Pickup artistry is not an adversarial weaponising of men's ability to obtain women's most valuable commodity, their body. It's an attempt to climb the social hierarchy and satisfy the innate drive for survival and reproduction by maximising one's appeal to the opposite sex by learning the universal laws of attraction for female selection. The reason they churn multiple women is because abundance maintains frame which in turns generates more attraction as women want men desired by other women (preselection). Most pickup artists have genuine connections with their partners and are not driven by a malevolent or adversarial motif.

[@AtheismF7W]

Easy there, you are talking too much sense.

[@sundancekid2539]

@@AtheismF7W Yeah I know… risky… but Chris seems like he can handle it… though others may not.

[@Cotictimmy]

The contagious 'Influencer Ticks' were foreshadowed by Kazuo Ishiguru when he described Ruth copying her speech from the television in 'Never Let Me Go'. Mary is a rather excellent guest. 🙂

[@evaphillips2102]

I think I love you

[@Vgallo]

They’re called unintended consequences , economists have been talking about these effects for decades, now everyone is finally catching up.

[@desireegreen653]

I have been looking for this feminism. I'm a former '90s Riot Girl and I feel like we invented so much of the sexuality- for me largely influenced by my mother's and Aunt's feminism. And I'm fucking horrified by the millennial women's reality that we have ushered in. Thank you for risking being cancelled.

[@sdws17]

Maybe we've grown excessively comfortable and coddled that we have been given room to have decadent beliefs about, well, everything. Maybe the inconvenience of limited technology forced us to meet people organically, in ways that we naturally are meant to. Maybe the harshness of older times needing men to be the warrior role and women the support role was important in some ways to our dynamics more hidden than meets the eye. Maybe we need inconvenience and trying times to really be human.

[@motokid413]

As a young man who has struggled with porn addiction on and off for my entire adult life, getting busy with work and hobbies has corrected it for short periods of time. But I am finally starting to feel a real shift in how my brain is wired sexually and emotionally... with the help of Jesus Christ.

[@cedricbethea358]

Most young men would somehow get themselves off in some sexual way with or without online porn. In the old days it was called a high sex drive. Most young men naturally have that in them. If it wasn't porn addiction, it would be something else like chasing girls 24/7. You are a normal man who has needs like all living creatures.

[@motokid413]

@@cedricbethea358 it is the weak, sinful man who falls victim to his temptations. Nor do I strive to be a normal man.

[@traumatizedgermansoldier3856]

@@motokid413 👍

[@scionofdorn9101]

Mary is a gem. Her mind is fascinating to listen to, she's very insightful and well-spoken. She's like a softer-around-the-edges Jordan Peterson. I was a goth as well. :)

[@718EngrCo]

Japan is ahead of the curve and we are trying hard to catch up!

[@gs536]

Men need to understand and accept this FACT. She isn't yours. Wait your turn.

[@JJ-wi2uw]

Yep.... It's just your turn.

[@hopefull61256]

That's disgusting, you see women as disposable.

[@kamalvipul9213]

@@hopefull61256 He meant it the other way around. Some men believe women see men as disposable. It's the man the one who waits, and the women who chooses. Then disposes and chooses another. At least that's what's promoted to our young girls....check out Ariana Grande ''Thank you, next'' and the many other songs that promote that approach to inter-relationship and dating. Men are just following what women lead. Food for thought....Women were always the selector....women always had the upper hand. Weird that many do not see it. Check the stats....most young men are virgins and staying virgins for a longer time than past history. It's not the same as for women. A few men (top 10-15%) are being selected and 'passed around' by the women. Passed around is a bad term....best would be 'those men do not want to commit'....and why would we blame them. They have all the options and more. The remaining 85-90% just need to wake up & smell reality and not focus so much on women and relationships. It suck, but that's how nature intended things to be (best genes and high-level of resourcefulness wins the game). If not, work on yourself and improve yourself to become the type of guy girls respect and enjoy being around. There is no reason to point fingers, modern time is asking us to adapt...but at a faster pace that before.

[@hopefull61256]

@@kamalvipul9213 I don't follow Ariana Grande nor do I take my life advice from shallow celebrities who live in a bubble and are insulated from the realities of life. Most men today seem very comfortable to lie and pretend they love and care for a woman, only to get sex . If that is their intention they should be up front about it and be clear that they they want casual sex. Women on the whole are not wired for casual sex and tend to want a relationship. The fact is we are living in a shallow age with narcissistic people who no longer want meaningful relationships and to find a partner in life. As a result relationships are broken and the children who are the eventual products of these relationships suffer.

[@Mint-kj9kw]

@@JJ-wi2uw Why do stupid, insecure Redpill losers keep using this quote? My mom and dad were married for 42 years before my mom passed. They were virgins when they got married. As were my grandparents. The girls that I went to highschool with all married their college sweethearts....no adultery....still happily married. I'm sorry you don't have any examples of healthy, long term marriages in your life.

[@mrs.garcia6978]

My 5 go right to bed after their nightly routine, no drama required, gotta train them early.

[@Matthew8473]

I'm in complete awe of this. I read a book with a similar message, and it was astonishing. "The Art of Meaningful Relationships in the 21st Century" by Leo Flint

[@geoffbuss3699]

Bloody superb conversation. Thank you both.

[@ignoranceisstrengthpodcast3294]

Fascinating points. Excellent guest chris. Thank you both!

[@quags759]

My first exposure to Mary… Thank you, she’s awesome.

[@freyahopcroft]

Leaving a comment here to express my gratitude for Mary.

[@battenberg7111]

Mary is always interesting to listen to. 👏

[@guruprasadf07]

I'm thankful to *FEMINISM* that it has brought out that the true face of *WOMEN*

[@matthewscott4629]

You know I was actually thinking that this woman had some sense until 37 minutes and when she started saying how the pill made it harder for women to say no to having sex with men and somehow they turned that into men being to blame. What a crock... I hope no one is letting delusional ideas like that influence them because at some point as an adult you have to take responsibility for your own actions and be accountable for the decisions you made especially if you are claiming to be strong and independent. Here's an idea, if you don't want to engage in sex with a man do not put yourself in a position with that man where sex can be had like being alone in a home with him etc

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Victim blaming women again? Men can't control themselves in situations where they are alone with women? Has nothing to do with the pill.

[@matthewscott4629]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 this isn't about rape victims. A woman is not a victim when she chooses to have sex. My God, what frequency are you people on?

[@matthewscott4629]

@@xanbra what fact?

[@matthewscott4629]

@@xanbra no I absolutely do not think the pill only had positive consequences

[@Opal5674]

Being a woman all the bc does is lessen the potential consequences of sleeping with him but I don't wanna sleep with him I certainly wouldn't allow him to manipulate me into it. I do believe women have to take responsibility for what they consent to. No days the Gen z folks think anything but I signed contract is assault

[@katwaugh1686]

As a 28 year old physically strong woman and pretty, I am in love with this woman. She is amazing. Truth speaker.

[@brazwen]

So, you're a narcissist, are you?

[@mellowyellow532]

As a woman, the part where you described yourself was just cringey lol sorry

[@f2004-d8q]

@@mellowyellow532 she is a cringe as hell

[@jupiterjunk]

55:47 Large scale war's are the perfect example for this. When a population looses a lot of young (read: disposable) males, and the women now need to fight harder to find a mate, they do settle. Look at the post reconstruction/integration efforts post WWII, or any other similar event where young men are lost, on a large scale.

[@GGg-sr3ph]

@@JeffCaplan313 you need to get rid of feminism and somehow backtrack the last 200 years of feminist development, a near Sisyphean task. A war will stall feminism, and then it’ll pick up steam again. There aren’t actually waves of feminism. It’s all the same, just broken up by wars hear near and there. A war is a temporary solution. There’s only one real solution and there’s a good probability it’s quite literally impossible.

[@AtheismF7W]

@@GGg-sr3ph feminism only takes root in comfy, safe, liberal societies. But there is no putting the genie back in the bottle short of some catastrophic event that fundamentally alters society... not a pretty or desirable outcome..

[@vladimir.putinn_007]

​@@AtheismF7Wabsolutely

[@amandawalker6190]

I fucking love this women - She blows my mind every time I hear her talk.

[@MartialistKS]

I've been enthralled by this topic of the death of relationships lately as well. I don't see a way out that isn't something resembling a cultural movement on the same scale as the sexual revolution that caused many of these problems. Think kids and young adults radically rejecting their parents and society pushing sex on them and instead swearing abstinence until marriage.

[@rileyzandol3150]

Good fucking luck. I’m fairly certain that children and young adults world experience is designed to bring out animalistic traits and suppress rationality

[@AtheismF7W]

They are sold to from an early age in America, so probably not gonna happen. America (and Canada) are a business.

[@oak8891]

Our 2.5 year old is actually in the best mood after his bath when we're getting him ready for bed, the key is just sticking to a routine and never breaking it, for my wife and I routine was key for getting our lives back a little bit as parents and as spouses, we get them down for the night routinely at the same time and we have time for ourselves, it's been smooth overall

[@laura44135]

Mary is a real gem. ❤

[@PsychologywithDrJessica]

Great podcast, but wow am I even more worried for my pre-teen/teen sons 🥺

[@jayfromct5164]

Very scary

[@cedricbethea358]

Most young pre teen boys need to be given something physically productive to do. Idle teenage boys can wreck havoc on a community. Keep them busy during the day, no sitting around the house doing nothing. They will thank you later in life.

[@Naturestheway]

Tell them the truth about your gender...

[@Brothaman]

If you made the right decision in choosing their dad they should be 100% fine. Wouldn’t even worry about it. Especially if you’re raising them to truly be quality men. Life rewards quality men. Also yes teach them that women are also human and unfortunately some humans (a good amount of them) are terrible people. Maybe don’t teach them that right now now, but soon. And I guess you can use nicer words lol. Anyway, they will highly appreciate that lesson later in life. They’ll be fine.

[@vklnew9824]

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[@myrondyal6117]

MY MOTHERS FAMILY WAS 14 BROTHER AND SISTERS, AND MY DAD HAD 10 .....THEY WORKED IT OUT!!

[@BKroyals6]

Another excellent guest and interview Chris! Saw you on the Boys Cast which I also love, albeit for different reasons lol.

[@ChrisWillx]

And oddly enough we spoke about fapping on both episodes. I see why you're here.

[@sarahhhh775]

Amazingly good conversation and insights. Thankyou. Best thing I've heard since the last time I heard either of you. Top stuff. Riding point and horizon scanning.

[@thor9418]

If I, as a man, have no say in the outcome of a pregnancy I caused, why man up? Just cannot see the moral obligation when society puts men in this no win situation. Men need a better deal. Time to renegotiate or walk away from women.

[@filthycasual9381]

Physical abortions for women? YES. Financial abortions for men? NO, YOU NEED TO MAN UP. This, despite women being legally allowed to grape and pregnancy entrap men.

[@seeyanexttuesday23]

Thank the Heavens for intelligent women like Mary Harrington and Louise Perry. Their voices should be the mainstream narrative, not the millennial Instaho attitude like Corinne Fisher and Kerryn Feehan are shoving down throats online. We need more women like Mary speaking in podcasts. Great interview. Many thanks

[@AstroBlack143]

A brilliant mind! Thanks for having her as a guest!

[@jamesnewport4752]

Interesting hearing how the pill and abortion correlation blew the hosts mind. I suppose it's my economics training that may help me identify externalities to an idea or worldview but this is basic logic and incentive structures to me.

[@trinacorbett4827]

Bedtime is best when you all can lay down together and dim the lights really low. I love reading outloud and boring all into deep sleep ... including my exhausted self.

[@BigD4Real.]

The institute of marriage nowadays has been undermined to such an extent that there is no benefit to a man to be married. The divorce court overwhelmingly favor the women and deplete the man’s resources to such an extent that it’s nearly unrecoverable.

[@carlwide6594]

Agreed. Marriage is a religious institution. It's an unbreakable vow between a man and a woman and God to live together, look after each other and love each other. It requires submission to God and constant work. Hopefully joyful work, but work all the same. You're supposed to become inseparable and a family unit. It requires a particular world view, spiritual discipline, social support and a lot of other things. Marriage nowadays has nothing to do with actual Marriage. It's a business contract, one that is heavily biased towards women for the purposes of the State to ensure men pick up the bill, rather than Government. There's no point even discussing marriage or trying to restore it when the modern person doesn't even know what marriage is and is intended to be. I don't know where society can really go from here, apart to a very dystopian, atomised place. The west, through relentless progressive politics, and relentless materialism has separated humans from their own core humanity. We've progressed technologically but regressed spiritually, physically and mentally.

[@JB-kx9bx]

Marriage has alot of value for two upper middle class partners. There's alot of social and economic benefit for two white collar partners to get married. You can afford to raise a family in the safest neighborhoods with the best schools. It's better for building friendships, networking with other working professionals. There's been some good studies on socioeconomic assortative mating. The divorce rate for a married couple where both have a college degree is something like 23% which is lower than self reported evangelical Christians.

[@LadyMarigoldWithers]

I have nihilistic male friends who make sweeping negative statements about relationships and women a lot of the time. Being around these guys has I think affected my own perception of men in general which isn’t a good thing as I’m seeing no evidence in my life that traditional values are something men aspire to now anyway which has made it feel pointless to try dating again. I’m scared of getting hurt and tired of the ‘you just want to take our shit and ruin our fun’ thinking to bother right now.

[@billsimms2511]

Let’s be fair, women in that age group make the same sweeping generalizations about men

[@LadyMarigoldWithers]

@@billsimms2511 yep that’s fair and I’ll think I’ll be joining them in the near future if the next attempt at a genuine connection fails.

[@skinnysnorlax1876]

You honestly may need to take a step away from such folks. Now, I am all for being there for individuals who have been hurt, and letting them express. God knows a lot of men need that, but don't get it. However, many go too far, and rather than express these feelings to release their frustration, and move forward, they fixate on them. Folks who fixate on issues will often enter a spiral of negativity, and that *will* eventually suck in the folks close to them. The best thing for yourself and them in that situation is to set boundaries, or step away. They deserve the feedback that shows that that response is not productive or acceptable. Not saying that that's definitely the case tho. But also, don't let yourself get into a negative spiral. It's normal to be frustrated, and concerned. But this shouldn't make you nhilistic or want to give up. It should inspire you to look for and pursue a better option, whatever that may be. Be patient. Good luck

[@8Maduce50]

Why should we be traditional not like women are? and feminism activly says it's evil and patriarchal to be a traditional man which is now the moral authority of the west. Not your religious gender rolls.

[@LadyMarigoldWithers]

@@8Maduce50 I’m not religious or a feminist and nor are any of my friends, the feminist/patriarchal bs comes from the media, I don’t know one working class person (and therein might lie the problem - that working class people are not the ones writing) that cares about any of that tripe.

[@dr.redphdleasurestudies.5399]

Solutions? What a joke. We are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Interview Ted kaczynski.

[@AtheismF7W]

Lol... rearranging the deck chair on the titanic.. that made me Crack up.

[@_6-6_]

My kids are never using social media until they’re 18

[@galanoftaa6439]

I don't think this is something that can be fixed in our lifetime. This is the cycle of civilization. Golden ages produce decadence and licentiousness. We are currently living in a golden age of golden ages. All we can do is wait for the slow decline until we get back to the point where life is so hard that feminism seems ridiculous and monogamy becomes a matter of survival. Future historians will certainly look back and see this as one of the major causes of the 3rd collapse of wester civilization. Hopefully the 4th generation of wester civilization can learn from our mistakes.

[@magnuscritikaleak5045]

Actually this is an incorrect allegory and misconstrued into a baseless claim. The Golden age has ended roughly thousands years ago. We currently are experiencing the effects of the Darkages where our humanity have sunk to the lowest.

[@rebecca7410]

Can attest to Withnail and I being a great film. Great episode :) Also, I bloody love this woman; erudite, interesting, thought-provoking and swears like a trooper! Hadn't heard of her before but am going to check out her writing.

[@fifthpint4571]

You guys talk about long term solutions and Chris also mentions the disparity in the number of men and women in colleges. You brush against the gist of the subject, but never really go there, so I will. Women are not outperforming men. Men's performance has been intentionally stunted and the path of women's educational / corporate progress has been intentionally smoothed out at men's performance cost. Those performance disparities have not been truly earned, but engineered. So, one of my long-term solutions is that we quit engineering gender-based outcomes and allow natural dynamics to play out. End affirmative action, end forcing women to be 'girl bosses' whilst tying most men's arm behind their backs to make it happen. What's being done to boys to achieve current agenda is criminal and evil, and what is being done to girls is not far behind.

[@chiquitafeldberg8512]

I started a hairdressing trade when I was 16, then travelled all the way around Australia selling art when I was 20 for 2yrs,then got married and me and my artist husband stared an advertising agency while I had my first son we became very successful. 7yrs later we got a devorce as my husband became an alcoholic. Then I did part time camera work for a TV station and had my second child. Then I opened a hair salon and now with both my sons grown up I've become an artist. I did all that without neglecting my boys who have grown up very close to me and we still are. I think women are doing it wrong these days, they seem to put career before everything and wait till they are old before they even have a child and wonder why post natal depression is so huge now. Women are leaving having children as the last thing they want to do, I think it's having a negative effect. I remember school trying to put me on the pill and I went home and told mum I didn't want to go on the pill because I felt I was way too young to have sex, so I didn't. I think I've just had a strong mind that dosnt fall in line easerly and always had a strong sense of self. Haveing my sons was the most fun and rewarding experience that I ever had. I hardly ever felt burdened, I think because I came from a big family I wanted to have mine further apart, which I did. Perfect for me. This woman is one of my kind, I like her very much. Smart lady.

[@TheVagolfer]

In fifty years or so, when historians list the things that were the cause of the downfall of our western culture and what allowed the Chinese, Nigerians and Russians to rise to dominance, they will list the #1 reason as Feminism.

[@emilioalvarez8010]

Russians and chinese arent growing. And nigeria produces nothing of value

[@robbenvanpersie1562]

@@emilioalvarez8010 Chinese will fall aswell

[@magnuscritikaleak5045]

@@robbenvanpersie1562 the whole entire human race will be reduced to less than 6 million edit: according to Eugenicists.

[@yoyman8023]

The conversation is appreciated. Be Well.

[@nateyoboy1]

Do away with alimony and legalize prostitution and let the chips fall where they may. Ppl who want to get married wont be incentivised not to. Ppl who only need the opposite sex strictly for sex get their itches scratched too. Problems solved

[@liammccann8763]

Mary 'charm and disarm' Harrington.

[@theantigynocentrist783]

The gynocentric mindset behind chivalry is how we have gotten into this mess! Feminism grew from the gynocentric traditionalism that enabled it! Pedestalising women and male deference enabled feminism and removed any check to their destructive influence.

[@GJones247]

I'm just going to honest here, This seemed like a very interesting conversation, but i did not understand a word with her accent. Never thought i would need subtitles for an English accent lol.

[@michellelight6257]

lol I turned up the volume and it was fine 😂

[@isaacmijangos]

Yo dude! You always ask really engaging and thought out questions. Keep up the awesome work :D. Anyway you could get on the captain Sinbad podcast and get Tim Dillion on your Pod?!

[@animal79thecat]

who?