Mary Harrington: How To Live Embodied Lives in a Post-Human World || THE WAY BACK

Mary E. Harrington, contributing editor at UnHerd, is interviewed by Glen Scrivener about her latest book 'Feminism Against Progress'.
The Way Back is a series of interviews lighting the path back to faith. Christian author and filmmaker Glen Scrivener is speaking to a range of Christians and non-Christians about the current meaning crisis, and what we have lost in walking away from the Jesus story. In a post-Christian age, is there a way back?
Presented by Glen Scrivener
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[@nsoper19]

Mary has been hitting the podcast scene hard in the last couple weeks and it's been wonderful

[@mickcunningham7786]

I find her very engaging. There’s a depth of thought that I hadn’t got to yet… layers I had yet to peel.

[@manaloola2018]

I’m pretty sure that Mary Harrington will take her place among the great philosophers in history

[@kbeetles]

Philosopher?

[@nourishflourishflow]

What a great conversation! Progress, to me, could only mean an elevation of Consciousness. Not to overcome or conquer our humanity, but to align it more deeply with God or Nature...which in my own exploration, is the same thing.

[@thekalezelden]

Best of her book launch appearances. Thanks Glen.

[@zgobermn6895]

This woman! Her 'reactionary feminism' is spot on. I find myself in agreement with her articulation of the issues.

[@PaulVanderKlay]

Wow, really starting off great!

[@SpeakLifeMedia]

Thanks Paul. Mary is amazing. “The Cyborg Theocracy of Meat Lego Gnosticism…!” Talk about drinking from a fire hose!

[@thekalezelden]

The last 1/4 is incredible.

[@paulgoodfellow6313]

A wonderful conversation. Thank you very much to both of you.

[@ribeirojorge5064]

❤️💚💜Thaaannnk Yooouuu ❤️ 💚 💜 Stay Awake Not Woke !!!

[@worldnotworld]

Harrington reminds me so much of G K Chesterton: it _just so happens_ that her criticism culminates in a position strikingly, if not perfectly, consonant with traditional Catholic teaching, as GKC describes his own experience.

[@duncanhollands5218]

Great interview guys. Good questions probing areas that others have missed and whipping those Lewis Abolition of Man quotes out at 43:00 was *chef's kiss*. I felt like they were so good they deserved a bit more discussion (!) but perhaps for another time.

[@maggen_me7790]

We are our body...body's got attributes and attributes demands responsibility💗

[@marchess286]

Great interview. I did not realize that Mary was a Christian believer. It would be interesting hear her discuss that part of her life journey.

[@JasonSilverMusic]

Wow, love this interviewer! And a Christian! Subscribed, thank you!

[@Grace17893]

God bless you

[@clementinetufts3454]

“Occupy ourselves! We are our bodies.” Marrrrrrry!!!! Mama. Yes 🙌 Mary, You are so smart that I am embarrassed to use emojis when I comment on your videos. All the proper feminists have drilled into me that only dumb women use emojis and internet speak, but I want these ideas to be memed and go viral. And instinctually i just blurt, “yaasss Kween!” 😂 These ideas are not to be performed. These ideas deserve to be shared and expressed unashamedly, not afraid of the woke internet mob and not afraid of the intellectual feminist elite who would have us all writing like we want our internet comments to hold up to academic scrutiny.

[@troymcg]

To not believe in progress in this sense, I suppose is to assume there is a finite range of what people can be. It can be made better, but when it finally gets good, that is where it stays. It is not an infinite path, and to believe in it as an infinite path distracts one from that which is needed.

[@Lichnaya_pravda]

People's bliss and interests does not matter. Progress must go on. Development of technology and power of iver-system is a goal of itself.

[@jimmieoakland3843]

Some philosopher whose name I forgot believed that the proportions of good and evil in the world always remains the same. Unprovable, of course, but it seems right to me.

[@Grace17893]

God bless you guys great work both of you

[@KerrieFoleyBates]

"We are our Bodies. We are our Bodies." ~MH

[@captainfatfoot2176]

I would love to see a conversation between Mary and John Micheal Greer

[@betterdaysahead3746]

Great conversation, thank you both. As an important aside, technology originated through Cain in the Biblical account. Something to think about. God be with you both and your families.

[@ThomasDoubting5]

This is what real feminism sounds like . supremely intelligent ,with regards to the question posed on the thumbnail , we don't really know what we are where we are or what we're doing or why we just think we do 😂

[@marty9011]

I wish people would stop talking about women's " careers ". Most women do a job, often a dull job. Definitely a job that is no where near as worthwhile as motherhood. Also, women working have upped the prices that are complained about such as housing costs.

[@louiseparker1915]

I remember going to my female GP and asking her for an alternative method of contraception as I had made the choice to come off the pill. I was treated like a stupid child. She was very rude to me and very angry, almost as if I had insulted her! I guess even 35 years ago I was a heretic.

[@adaptivelearner6162]

Thanks for bringing this to my attention guys.

[@maxpower1337]

Ape meat suit wow amazing discussion very deep and thought provoking Mary is very special .

[@harryaarrestad583]

Insightful intelligent commentator in a sea of nonsense .

[@thomassimmons1950]

Whatta Dame! Vaya con Dios, dear Mary!!!

[@DarrenA783]

My partner was also blessed with not needing to go back to the paid force workforce. She resented me intensely for my ability to meet others (at work!) Articulated that loudly and frequently. And upon arrival at home at say 630/700 she would waltz out of the door to yoga or somesuch. Trilling - the children need feeding and bathing and then you can read them a book. Aren't you lucky that I left these opportunities for you?

[@MichaelaDasteel]

Because the Catholic Church forbids contraception it has supported natural family planning methods for several generations.

[@flintlock4302]

I absoI absolutely love "Meat Lego Gnostics" as a descriptor. 😂

[@kagetsuki23]

The reason why people believe they will become immortal if they upload their mind, is because the mind do not exist when humans sleep and do not dream. And when they wake up the next day, a copy of the mind they had before falling asleep is created with the data of their mind contained in their neurons. Therefore, when you upload your mind in a dreamless sleep state and move it a computer or another body, as long as you never wake up in your original body, no new copy of your mind can be created in your brain. Making the uploaded version the only you that exist. And this you can have a body that never die, as powerful as Goku or of a different gender than you.

[@grahammoffat9752]

Water, it has been observed, does run two ways. Wild Salmon use this to swim back to where they hatched......its a natural process although counter-intuitive.

[@rocinantedante2846]

Are we human, or are we dancers?

[@jjwatson3477]

What's her view on abortion?

[@fedorilitchev5092]

Ok, now I really want to hear her personal story that she didn't want to bore us with...

[@paulheinrichdietrich9518]

Or are we dancers?

[@Rick_Cleland]

👌🏻

[@mikehunt.1609]

Progress isnt linear, its circular, and progress never benifits everyone at the same time or immediately. Mary Harringon is very interesting from the point of view of opening up the middle class psyche, but non of this is particularly news to the rest of us,

[@sabrinashahab795]

How does one define progress. Slavery was once a fruit of progress ? Very primitive society did not have slavery . Confinement of women especially widow burning , foot binding , etc were also fruits of progress

[@ribeirojorge5064]

What kind of Person would call a Ape Brain Meat sac to this Marvellous Brilliant Consciousness Intelligence that Is the Human Body ???

[@AndyJarman]

"We are not our bodies, but they are ours for our aole use" is the contenporary default assumption. René des Cartes made this claim 200 years ago, and it alliwed medical science to indulge in many "transhuman" activities. Starting with human disection and ending with surrogacy. But as Mary points out it is prone to being exploited at the cost of the less well endowed (poor women being her example). It seems the issue is a question of law enforcement isn't it? Mary's case is so easily explained that it makes the sacrisanct status of the individual and their body self evident doesn't it? I don't agree with transhumanism, but I do see that without a concomitant cosmology, a moral structure based upon the values which ynavoidably arise in and between human beings, we have little in our arsenal of udeas to protect the sacred with. Religion, or fairh in principles at the very least is unavoidable.

[@matthewparlato5626]

Do you know that you're referencing 4 e cognitive science every time you mention embedded & embodied?!

[@HowardARoark]

One thing that puzzles me here is that this woman is clearly VERY clever, she is quite clearly a philosopher of the highest calibre. So how could she EVER have been, even at a young impressionable age, a member of some kind of Marxist feminist commune and trying to live out that dehumanizing lifestyle ? I think she would have always been clever, so why would she have found herself in such a farcical lifestyle at ANY point in her life, without immediately realizing its utmost folly ? It just seems puzzling.

[@bobnevels9125]

The pay gap I feel does very well exist, but it's actually a problem for what women do to themselves. That's where male patriarchy had ended in it's reach, but calling it a social problem was justly criticized in it's calculus implications and where interpersonal social skills has to bridge the gap as individuals. Yes, that means the last of group collective willpower as a mobilizing force is in it's death throes. That's why post modernism had blurred the lines of which side ones on. Women would have to give up collectively containing men and just be their own individual selves. The advent of social media is likely a symptom of that truth. People have to learn how to interact with one another. My dad even remarked last night when we were watching Picard that if all a woman offers is pussy, then why would a woman be surprised that's all a man wants from her? Most good men want healthy friendships with women, except for when women just threw shit at men to avoid friendship all together, not just with men but ultimately with women too, as in the absence of men to hate women would just collapse into two-faced back biting and spineless whoring and tragically fail as mothers. Women in my opinion have to give up trying to have power over men and abandon patriarchal and matriarchal societies and just focus on being fathers and mothers. Patriarchies and matriarchies are just dehumanizing glass ceilings with no redeeming value. We need mothers and fathers to be human beings first and to only help each other as individuals and not as mobilized groups incapable of helping anyone or anything. For further research on how this benefits as a feminist analysis, please watch the movie "Hidden Figures" with Kevin Costner about Space Voyage. And I'm aware that the movie has several prominent actors. Kevin Costner is just a supporting role, but I don't want to lose my place in writing this, so please look that up yourself. This might be an example of old white privilege, but it doesn't make me wrong. The only way to turn the corners is to work with the tracks that we already have. The old phoenix program in isolation is a failure, and only individuals sophisticated in social skills can find the right margins now. Another example is in the movie "The Devil Wears Prada." In that matriarchal environment Andy wouldn't have done so well if her father hadn't gently kept her from being at Miranda's beck and call. This is the end of the era of all patriarchy or matriarchy. Social skills would allow the natural limits to reveal itself. The end of patriarchy means that fishing against others would lose its effectiveness and women would devolve into useless jellyfish if they didn't grow past their resentment. The evidence was in the underground use of safe words like Pineapple or blueberries. When I confronted my mom about this issue, she said I wasn't supposed to know that because I'm not a woman. But that doesn't matter. If I'm right it doesn't matter if I'm a man or a woman. I'm a human being with a conscience, and that should be more important than gender. That's where the lack of vision is in any of the rival camps except for two visions. One is letting it all collapse or allowing social skills to take control of itself. The solution in either case is to just mind our own business and see if social skills can evolve by osmosis. Given this truth, it seems that much female philosophy has become efforts to maintain self esteem rather than serious philosophy.

[@bobnevels9125]

Listen. Be Undeniable. Be. Be Ethical. Listen.

[@bobnevels9125]

If I had a positive view of faith, it wouldn't be religious. I've found that in my personal experience in private leadership roles that in times when the stakes seemed extreme and success seemed impossible and failure felt inevitable people I was presumably "leading" would lead me with their faith in the outcome. I've found that the people I've led taught me how to lead by being willing to be taught. Then when I was left alone to do the right thing outside of the view of people who depend on me I can be counted on. Then I learned how to lead by example by taking the lessons I was given and being the best example of all the lessons I'd been taught. Wisdom is being able to stay the same with the best chance of recovery in any circumstance or situation.

[@TheWhitehiker]

I'll stick with human progress, Mary; you need to at least look at recent history--education, general wealth, medicine, longevity, etc. etc. The list is long. Dont get trendy on us.

[@hugojames85]

No, we're not. We're pricks.

[@DenianArcoleo]

Love Mary, but i think she's wrong. We are more than our bodies. Sting puts it more succinctly- we are spirits, in a material world.

[@ag7075]

I think a better description is that humans are embodied spirits. Our body and our spirit are important and should be treated as such.

[@paulwilliamson2882]

Why does a Christian (I thought you were) have this lying title?

[@SpeakLifeMedia]

Where’s the lie?

[@paulwilliamson2882]

@@SpeakLifeMedia You do not see it? You are blinded. I pray you see it in time. Get back to your first love and I am confident you will see it. In Christ Jesus the foundation of all truth and life. His Word is never void.

[@HearGodsWord]

Still looking for the "lying title" Paul...

[@paulwilliamson2882]

@@HearGodsWord It may take a while. It took me 13 years to see through the world's lies. In time the Holy Ghost will reveal more lies to me that have been about for a long time!

[@HearGodsWord]

@Paul Williamson so she doesn't have a lying title then as you claimed she did but then can't show it 🤷

[@ZephaniahL]

This woman is speaking at National *Conservatism* conferences? Dear lord.

[@alexwr]

What's wrong with that?

[@ZephaniahL]

Had she a more soft, pleasant way of speaking her points would be communicated far better. Perhaps recover from that cold before going on any more podcasts, too.

[@anomietoponymie2140]

That's a nasty, mean thing to say and misogynistic to boot. Should she bat her eyelashes as well and blush?

[@ZephaniahL]

@@anomietoponymie2140 Wait, so something negative said about someone who happens to be a woman is ipso facto misogynist? Are you nuts? I’d say the same of a man.

[@aliceduanra7539]

I thought she was perfectly comprehensible and a more “soft, pleasent way of speaking” would have seemed disenginuous due to the serious nature of the subject matter

[@alexwr]

She communicates very clearly and effectively. As far as I'm concerned, her communication is fine. She's talking about very serious issues, so what good would it do by speaking in a more 'soft' and 'pleasant' way?