MODERNIZED Chinese Carrier Strike vs US West Coast At San Diego (WarGames 79b) | DCS

Original Battle: • Could A Chinese Naval ...
Our second simulation of a Chinese Carrier Group striking the ships in the USN port at San Diego. This time we bring the latest strata of weaponry on both sides. The Chinese add Type 055 Destroyer with Hypersonic YJ-21 and Supersonic YJ-18 and YJ-12 Missiles. The US use Flight III Arleigh Burke Destroyers with SM-6, SM-3, SM-2 and ESSM missiles, with F-35 5th Gen support.
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11:46 Battle
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[@Jordanpgates1]

One thing that I appreciate about the Grim Reapers is that they (Cap) takes the time to provide chapters to its valued viewers so they can decide which parts of the video they watch. This takes a lot of time and really helps so thank you!

[@MWSin1]

It definitely makes the viewer feel valued.

[@videomaniac108]

One thing to consider in real life is that NAS North Island and the 32nd Street Naval Station are both shielded to the West by the high ridge of coastline called Point Loma. This is a barrier that missiles would have to surmount in order for their radars to track targets in the bay. This high ground would also allow the Navy's ground-based search and tracking radars to detect intruders from the West to a greater distance.

[@anthonyb5279]

I counted no less that 12 Patriot batteries there on the inside of the ridge. You are absolutely right.

[@anguscalnon942]

Realistically USA would have had a force 10x that large if China ever got that close, plus they would have submarines

[@rgloria40]

At this point, Fire fighting culture import is non existent and needs to be fixed by the US NAVY. It going to take years so we need to adjust our analysis...

[@lazyidiotofthemonth]

No, North Island is comepletely flat, the highest elevation is about 50 ft. they would Approach from the South.

[@videomaniac108]

@@lazyidiotofthemonth I know that North Island is flat; I was talking about the Point Loma strip of coastline to the West, which is elevated. In looking at an attack approach from the South, the attackers would probably have to get too close to the coast and would get detected.

[@markbarcellos5500]

How many missles will get fooled by the museum ship "Midway" in port.

[@McAllisterCo]

Cap’s video of US surprise attack on china’s coast: multiple Chinese destroyers in a defensive formation outside harbor fully active and ready for combat. Cap’s video of China’s surprise attack on US coast: multiple US ships inexplicably left derelict at the pier ready to receive Chinese missiles.

[@jeremyjackson8196]

Even though the Brits would be wiped off the map without support from the USA, they all still internally hold a grudge from the revolutionary war

[@aztec0112]

It's a Cap thing. He REALLY likes the PLAF/PLAN equipment.

[@user-ft2zc5or9d]

​@@aztec0112does he tho? He's always rooting for the US side lol I think he just likes to really test the Western side more to see what it can really do because he knows its better 🤣

[@92HazelMocha]

I mean cap always sends a full CSG+ (and always the only CSG operating F35's) for the US but when China attacks its literally 3 boats and 90's airplanes lol

[@user-ft2zc5or9d]

@@92HazelMocha the carrier group didn't need a bunch of ships because it wasn't going to be attacked lol and the J-35 isn't in DCS yet so they have to use what is available.

[@ArchAngel-FJB]

The F35 is so stealthy that even we have a hard time finding one here in the USA 😂

[@Just_A_Random_Desk]

Isn't that a good thing though? That means all that money spent on R&D actually paid off.

[@ArchAngel-FJB]

​@@Just_A_Random_Deskabsolutely

[@timbaskett6299]

"I got that reference!!"

[@LewisB3217]

@@Just_A_Random_Desksuffering from success, yes

[@Subhuman1342]

LMAO

[@golumrat9479]

Great video, 2 small remarks: 1. As far as I know the USMC has been refitting their legacy hornets with the AN APG 79 from the Super Hornet, so using f18f in the simulation was pretty valid. 2. Just like in Pearl Harbor, after the 1st 15min probably at least one ship in the harbor would be manned and at least its air defense would come online.

[@avroarchitect1793]

at least the CIWS would be live, possibly missiles too depending who is nearby

[@STEEEZplaysgames]

Almost all the armaments on naval ships in port at san diego are non existent. They are not allowed to port while armed like that, any time a ship goes out they stop off coast farther north and load the munitions on via helicopter, and any time they wish to port again they unload them before hand. If this hypothetical pearl harbor were to happen the usa would be soley reliant on aircraft to defend. Not that this would ever happen the reason we can do that is because there is no way like Grim said a fleet would cross like this, theyd be picked up the moment they left china

[@firefly9838]

@@STEEEZplaysgames left China? No. They leave Chinese ports all the time. They'd have to get way closer.

[@TanksForTheMammeries]

@@STEEEZplaysgames This is incorrect. Missile cells require port-side loading and unloading. We're JUST NOW testing open water missile cell reloading. Regardless of that, any of the ships in the harbor could energize EW countermeasures and stand up their CWIS and SAM systems. Within 10 mins of detection, a good portion of the ships in harbor would be ready to defend, if not sail.

[@uhhello173]

you serious clark?@@firefly9838

[@kamikariad]

Mexico north of USA is a bit strange. Love your videos, thanks for the content.

[@Gonsolin19]

North isn't up.

[@paulharrison2325]

@@Gonsolin19it is by convention.

[@onyx6847]

i was thinking why is it upside down

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

They're inverted, just like Maverick was.

[@Phelper99]

Hmm, at 46:26 it's actually the Mediterranean. I kept wondering "what's that island" and it's Cyprus.

[@Jeffrey.1978]

@Grim Reapers - Yayy, another battle scenario, these are my favorite. I know this scenario is not really about realism, however, the DDGs would not be that close together and that close to shore when defending such a target area. Other than that, another entertaining scenario - thank you again. Please make more! :)

[@xenaguy01]

They weren't assigned to defend the area,they were merely leaving port.

[@Jeffrey.1978]

@@xenaguy01 - Yeah true, true.

[@lenn55]

The USN has been developing and testing the latest Patriot Pac3 with the Aegis system. Looks like they might eventually equip some ships with this missile.

[@ChristopherMallonMusic]

And counterpoint to that, they are also experimenting with land-based VLS tubes, originally as part of the missile defence system with SM-3s, but also with mobile launchers - mainly Tomahawks but they could also carry other VLS missiles... To me, I know America likes relying on its air power, but if I had two or three really significant naval ports I'd probably have a permanent defensive site covering each of them, perhaps something like 100 or 200 VLS tubes, mostly ESSMs but a few SM-3s for ballistic protection, plus a radar installation as backup in case something happens to the AWACS.

[@Gabriel_McMillan]

If only America had invested in a few submarines... :)

[@user-up7ui3ti7e]

Agree. About 5 seconds after the first weapon is released there would be torpedoes in the water. Half that fleet would disappear within about 10 min.

[@hugeinjapan4635]

Yea, there might me a sub or 2 there 🤣

[@Gabriel_McMillan]

@@user-up7ui3ti7e They'd never make it halfway across the Pacific, I would wager.

[@user-up7ui3ti7e]

@@Gabriel_McMillanI was assuming that this is a preemptive strike to start a war. Either way those ships would have been shadowed before they made it half way across the Pacific. Additional once it was confirmed that they were headed to the mainland, the ships in port would have had crews recalled and been spun up and ready to respond. In the end the Chinese carrier would cease to exist very quickly, and the data link would go away. And I doubt the other warships would be able to fire more then half their stores before they start taking torpedo hits.

[@Western_1]

It's too bad the US Navy doesn't have, like, 70 submarines. Ah man if only! We could name most of them after cities and states!

[@falkensakurai1488]

YJ21 maneuvers **drastically** in their mid and terminal trajectory. The 'yj21' in dcs is basically a faster Skud.

[@shadowguy1112]

Which is why he should've used CMO, in that simulation the US wins.

[@Nealetony]

So i imagine the duty section are able to activate defense based off a quick read of the duties of a duty section. At the end of the workday, these war ships are manned by what is known as a duty section. When Sailor’s head home at the end of the workday, a portion of the crew stay behind to maintain security and conduct maintenance and training. To supplement the ship’s crew, the Navy utilizes a harbor patrol security division to protect the ships, piers, and personnel at the base’s waterfront. The Naval Base San Diego (NBSD) harbor patrol unit is responsible for guarding the largest congregation of U.S. Navy ships on the west coast. NBSD has a pier line that is almost two miles long and is homeport to between 50 to 60 ships, depending on homeport shifts, commissionings and decommissionings. But NBSD harbor patrol’s area of responsibility does not stop there. “The mission of harbor patrol is to secure the waterfront for all three installations in the metro area, Naval Base Coronado, Naval Base Point Loma, and Naval Base San Diego,” said Senior Chief Master-at-Arms Bernard Hyppolite, the leading chief petty officer for NBSD’s harbor patrol unit. “We are very unique; we are the only harbor security that does that.”

[@superflyguy4488]

Its a game

[@ADR1fley]

Yeah none of that is gonna do anything about hypersonic missiles. I can't speak to the state of weapon status in dock, but if there's no FC rated sailors, the ships aren't going to be defending themselves. And uh, yeah I'd question the recall speed of duty section.

[@wolfmaster0579]

@@ADR1fley No, if the ships are linked up to a datalink, which they probably are, then they would be fired offsite by another ship. One of the cool things about Aegis is the ability for one ship to fire the munitions of another. Every carrier has a linked system like this, and I belive the cruisers have one as well.

[@Nealetony]

@ADR1fley The Navy is full of traditions-shared experiences that bond sailors. If there is one tradition that is constant throughout a seagoing career, whether on deployment or back home, it is in-port “duty.” To meet the requirements for force protection, damage control, and other tasks, ship crews have always been divided into daily rotating duty sections. So i am taking all these large snips straight from the navy. It sounds like their would be fire controlman or people to do that duty in rotation in each duty section.

[@anthonyb5279]

@@ADR1fley You are an idiot.

[@darthkarl99]

It's been mentioned allready in the comment, (and was mentioned last time), that a number of the ships in the harbour would be in a state where the defences could be brought online in minutes and slaved to the systems of the two ships outside. Not sure if DCS has the ability to model that now, (i know an older video specified they didn't then), but might be worth trying to simulate it by putting a few more ships out of the harbour if it doesn't. Someone also mentioned a nearby naval air station, (North, wherever that is), that apparently has patriot systems visible on public satellite images.

[@1949crewchief]

Not only would the USAF get in on the action but with the carrier tied up the carrier air wing would be at Miramar as well

[@warbuzzard7167]

I love these provocative “America asleep at the switch” type videos. It’s a lot of grist for the mill!

[@douglasarthur2673]

Chortle, chortle 😂. More than a few salty Americans in the comments.

[@mrbfox1775]

Absolutely when stateside, armament is locked up tight. Military bases are the largest gun free zones in the US. They would absolutely be unprepared if some way some how an attack force manages to get within 250 miles. It would be total destruction.

[@the_beef4762]

Any video with the Reapers and my city in it is a good day! There are also multiple bases within 100 miles to the North and East of us as well. Southern California has an insane amount of Navy, Marine and Air Force bases.

[@Ishawn.Ramaaj]

Awesome video thank you cap!

[@vintagepairdisplayteam910]

Love these videos! More please 😃

[@Tuck-Shop]

Wait? That means I've been watching this channel for a year? Time flies when you are having fun.

[@crispyhoover8880]

Reminds me of World in Conflict. One of the greatest achievements in my life was being in top 750, worldwide 👑😀. Great scenario. Well played.

[@trevorday7923]

I'm not sure about USN operations, but are ships in dock completely cold-shutdown, ie. engines cold, weapons shutdown, radars and sensors completely offline? If they're not is it possible ships in port could act as fire support/CIWS pickets for the carriers or larger ships?

[@gamersgrubs2952]

Thinking same. Idk the full answer but i would think the Carrier is never completely shut down. CiWS and her own defensive measures would handle what made it threw

[@delmccormack7001]

Nuclear powered vessels only disengage the drive clutch to the props when static. Can move vessel within 5 minutes.

[@benbiddiss336]

Surely after pearl harbour American navy wouldn’t be so,stupid (or arrogant enough) to leave a fleet that size in cold shutdown… I agree even if they are being re supplied and such the basics like CWIS would at least be available and more than 2 destroyers would have AA capability …I’d also think if the runaway space is limited, you surely switch your air wing launches to the lightings over the hornets no? Get your best planes up first then move in with hornets….

[@gamersgrubs2952]

The flight wing will be land based at that time but agree the 35's would take priority over the 18's. The 18's would be given anti ship capability to attack the carrier group and force invaders to defend or have no where to land themselves. Also no mentioned the USMC carrier with 35B's

[@benbiddiss336]

@@gamersgrubs2952 in short, the Chinese, assuming they break through with a small fleet, never get their anti ship missiles near the carrier , while the us spanks their fleet back to China and they lose the resources

[@B-uk8eo]

New favourite site, keep up the great work.

[@rileymoutier2056]

Curious to see how adding the USN air wings at North Island would affect this battle.

[@anthonyb5279]

Yep Raven does not have a clue how well the West Coast is defended. The USAF also has a presence at North Island. Then Vandenberg is also packed with F-15.

[@mpeugeot]

Hell, March AFB has F-15's on alert at March AFB just a stones throw away from Miramar.

[@richardperry4105]

I agree the west coast is heavily defended and I 100% agree that the entirety of US military should be brought to bear in defending this area. USN, USAF, USM, USCG et all would be in response and complete annihilation of the aggressors with overwhelming force.

[@anthonyb5279]

@@richardperry4105 I just looked on Google maps and found 12 patriot batteries at Vandenberg Just as many at North Island then all the fighters at Miramar and North Island + 2 Agis Ashore facilities plus the USAF (about 800 fighter planes), the reality of a Nimitz always just off the coast at all times with its flotilla of Destroyers not just 2 that happen to be leaving for patrol. It is suicide to attack San Diego. The only more heavily defended spot on the Earth is Pearl.

[@colinerdman]

F-15s out of Fresno as well.

[@stefonschmidt4576]

The biggest mistake I see is in saying that the ships in port would not be able to shoot. As Nealetony stated, there is a duty section that remains on the ship overnight to provide security and fire party. This duty section consists of sailors from every job description on the ship. Also, the ships are not cold. The carrier's reactor is operating to provide electrical power. The cruisers and destroyers have shore power. These ships are also gas turbine powered and it doesn't take very long to get the engines running. Which isn't necessary unless they're getting underway. With shore power they would be able to power up the Aegis system (Spy radar and vertical launching systems) and be able to fire relatively quickly. They probably would not have been able to respond before the carrier was hit, they would have been able to long before the Arleigh Burke was hit. So that would NOT have been hit. Also, if you give the other ships a relatively long 15 minutes to bring the weapons systems online, they would be firing at about the same time the F-35's took off. At that point, only 14 F-18's had been shot down. You may have lost another 2 or 3 before all the chinese aircraft started getting blown out of the sky by SAM's. None of the F-35's would have even had the chance to participate. So I think, worse case is the carrier takes a hit and we lose maybe 20 F-18's. And within a couple of hours, the entire chinese fleet would be at the bottom of the sea.

[@williamwhitney7395]

OK... I was on the USS-Nimitz CVN-68. We were stationed out of Bremerton Washington at the time. We would take on our air wing in San Diego and make port for a few days for supplies before going on Westpac's. Can't wait to watch this as I knew the base as it was until I got out in 97'

[@anthonytheodoros727]

Why not lead with the F35C followed by F18? Wouldn’t there be less US losses? F18 scramble quicker? Love the content!

[@Mr.LightsOut]

Great channel Cap, I love it. Next time please include NAS North Island, w/c is right by 32nd Naval Base thanks. I spent 10 years there in different S-3 squadrons(retired) and h-60 squadron there thank SUPER Channel!

[@lancervance8294]

Is it possible to activate the ships that are inactive in the middle of a fight in DCS? I am just curious because once the Burke's fire, they would have sent out a mayday to the port, and the port would awaken, albeit slowly. Yeah, there wouldn't be crews on board initially, but at least a few additional ships would probably be able to get automated defenses up and running within 10-15 minutes. And I doubt that the super carrier would just be unmanned entirely. There would be a skeleton crew on board at least wouldn't there?

[@alanblumenstock7863]

Simba is the Artful Dodger

[@HzC77]

A bit gruesome imo, tough to speculate on how fast dendritic conflict spread and to what extent- lots of possibilities and lots of players. Great watch within your parameters as-is though, thanks for putting this out :) An inverse perspective might be to investigate if a single B1B Lancer could have stopped Hannibal from crossing the alps..

[@Thewhitetile]

Need to convince Cap to get the B1B out again!

[@AlexMartinez-hc5kz]

San Diego is home port to a number of ships all of which can be assumed to have minimal manning that would allow cwiz to be fully operational and at a bare minimum missile batteries would be online within 15 -30 min of an attack. This scenario assumes nobody in the hundreds of personal attached to the off duty boats showed up for work.

[@AlexMartinez-hc5kz]

This assumes a pearl harbor style scenario which is just not possible with today's radar systems

[@jabroni6199]

In addition to MCAS Miramar, we also have NAS North Island and Camp Pendleton

[@Blazemore1776]

fairly certain all those ships that u have disabled skeleton crews could still launch defensive missiles

[@justafish-bd8kw]

Great video cap, would love to see the American follow up to a strike like this, i imagine it would be a true mobilise everything, fire everything moment to make sure the Chinese strike group never make it home. Would be interesting to see the chinese defences tested to destruction and think it would be a fun video for the carnage.

[@VyarkX]

Hey cap! Your pronunciation of “Fujian” is actually pretty accurate haha. Great vid.

[@dannileigh6426]

I'm loving the dark grey skins and gold canopy Charly Lightnings

[@miisterE123]

Realistically speaking, would the docked Burkes/Ticos be able to be brought online and have ordnance available to help in the SAM defense?

[@FunnyQuailMan]

Mk 70 PDS (Payload Delivery System), the 40-foot shipping container-equivelant 4-cell launchers that are capable of firing all the same missile loadouts as the Mk 41, would be very interesting in this sort of scenario. The US Army ground-launched version, the *"Typhon",* just had its first battery declared operational this past June, and the US Navy is testing them now from helicopter decks, like from the Independence-class LCS a few weeks ago, and other flattop vessels, like the Lewis B. Puller-class ESBs. The Marine Corps may look into them as well, but regardless of the service operating them, one potential use case for the Typhon is airbase defense using ESSM & Standard Missiles (SM-6 in particular, at least initially, as it's now being procured in large numbers by the US Army).

[@hughmungus2760]

the Russians/Chinese have containerised missiles long before the US did, what should have happened is a bunch of civilian freighters flagged under a neutral country fire off 500 or so kamikazi drones mixed in with another 50 or so cruise missiles. No air defense would be able to cope with that.

[@ObiWanShinobi917]

​@@hughmungus2760great thought project, but wildly unrealistic. Russia has so little of it's navy currently operational that trying to send an attack at a U.S. carrier group under the cover of a civilian freighter is folly. They need every missile they can get. They're (crate systems) also not in main use, as the situations which they would be useful was thought to be niche, until the U.S. recently revolutionized the idea by putting it on flat top ships. China does have a few of the systems, but they're not designed to launch the YJ-21s and YJ-18s. They're designed for short to medium range, low speed, low yield missiles. They are made to SUPPLEMENT an attacking force of missiles, not be the main barrage. As for the swarm of drones, yeah the U.S. has thought of that. We have both SHORAD and LRAD systems equipped with lasers and EW warfare suites that specifically designed to counter drone swarms. So good luck with that... Also, no civilian liner would never be allowed to get within range of a target without getting boarded by the U.S. Navy or Coastguard.

[@hughmungus2760]

@@ObiWanShinobi917 look up the Club-K system, its literally a calibre missile which has antiship variants. The YJ18 is also based to the calibre as well so its entirely possible to fit them inside such a system. Both have a >500km range so they're by no means short ranged, the shooter could remain perfectly disguised in international waters on a commercial shipping lane until they fire their payload. These systems fit on standard shipping containers which is literally what the US is boasting about, and both were developed over a decade ago.

[@blueberrywilbur315]

@@hughmungus2760Russian navy is in disarray, I doubt that based on what we have seen them capable of to this point. Just not happening realistically is it possible, sure the sun shines on a dogs ass once in a while.

[@ObiWanShinobi917]

@@hughmungus2760 again, good luck getting any kind of freighter within range of U.S. assets without it being tracked. And even if you do, good luck getting past the impenetrable wall of U.S. air defense, it's the best on the planet. Sure, a decade ago. Know what else happened more than a decade ago? Research into Hypersonics by the U.S., but until recently, the U.S. didn't fully develop it because it was seen as a resource sink. It was a project that was out on hold. Until recently. China did the same shit. They don't have anything mass produced.

[@ChristopherMallonMusic]

Kinda silly that the F-35s would wait for legacy Hornets to go first. The mission would probably go WAY better for USA if you just deleted the Hornets entirely. Two questions. Wouldn't the two Burkes move into the line of fire so their point defences might help screen the docked ships? Also, how long would it take for a docked ship to get some minimal defences active - like CIWS, RAM and Sea Sparrow on the carrier?

[@Whatsinanameanyway13]

I agree with your first point, the Burkes have some serious maneuverability & speed for such a big ship, and heading toward the threat axis would be of some benefit. Your second point depends greatly on the ship and what its status is in port. If a ship is in for repairs many of its crew may be on shore leave, not easy to recall in a hurry. The other side of this whole scenario is: even if the Chinese win this engagement, now they're ~200 miles off the American coast with zero resupply and *THOUSANDS* of pissed off aircraft and ships within a few hours range. All out of missiles & aircraft and nowhere to run is a *very bad day* for any naval surface group.

[@GOTOHOBBIES]

As wargamer I found it very good and realistic. Thank you for a fantastic video. You have my subscription

[@agps4418]

it's hilarious that during the battle everything's so serious then when you zoom out, there's cyprus in front of mexico 😂

[@johnpetroschek]

Forgot about NAS North Island, 2 miles from NAVSTA San Diego. There are two AFB's within 200 miles, Edwards north of LA and March which is west of LA, about 80 miles. This is 3 extra air bases, MCAS Miramar makes it 4. If it were fully modeled in this sim, the Chinese would have zero chance.. We're not even talking about any subs that would have been leaving or coming back into port in San Diego either.

[@garykelley9027]

I think the F15's from Fresno is a good call, especially because as dated as they are they are still extremely deadly. They might even have been able to have some with antiship missles scramble, not sure as they'd normally have more time so might not have that config ready but possible.

[@hydrobrent4327]

Yoo i’m from Fresno, it’s nice to have our war birds mentioned

[@everypitchcounts4875]

30 mins south of Fresno you also have the Lemoore Naval Air Station

[@uhhello173]

You grossly underestimate how long it would take a stateside unit to spin up combat airpower when in a training state.

[@thecasper911]

​@everypitchcounts4875 I was thinking the same thing! And this carriers air wing is there, and probably chomping at the bit to defend, and if possible go offensive and sink those enemy vessels!

[@R.Instro]

Ahh, Tijuana, Lebanon. Famous night life hot spot. I remember when you could go without a passport. ~_^

[@kamikariad]

Eat some kebbeh and warak enab with your cerveza and tequila!

[@FunnyQuailMan]

Ahhh, the good ol' days. It was nothing like Juarez, Iraq, though. You could just walk right over from El Paso, Iran, and knew immediately from the smell emanating from those vast cardboard cities just over the border - that enescapable scent of multiple rotting bodies and all the many kinds of liquids & semi-solids oozing out of 'em, left to ferment for Lord knows how long in 99°+ heat. From the time you first breathe in a nose-full of that gas cloud, in not more than 5 minutes, and you can set your watch to it, you'll have had at least one 9 year-old kid throw you a sales pitch, asking if you'd like to buy his younger sister. What memories... Not the kind of thing you forget 🤢🤮

[@R.Instro]

Gracias, Habibi! @@kamikariad 😆

[@Nealetony]

I miss those days for both mexico and Canada.

[@brucewatt1032]

That was one of the best battles so far 👌

[@damiensadventure]

Back in the 90's I lived in San Diego. They did a mock invasion. D-Day style on the Coronado strip which is like a long sand bank. I lived like 5 blocks away. It was insane lol.

[@Ledishka02]

Do you have these models of ships, airplanes in fbx? I want to use them for my diplom project in game development

[@a-fletcher]

I wonder if once the us ships realise the carrier was the target (say by calculation of direction) would they have changed course to get a closer to the cruiser to provide more effective/efficient anti missle protection? Also interested if something like that can actually be done in the editor?

[@jamesscott6917]

You need to do an at sea battle with the Chinese trying to cross the Pacific and being intercepted by a naval battle group and any nearby airfields.

[@deanroberts2021]

Great video, only thing I would change is Fire the Hypersonic Missiles last once the defence missiles are worn down.

[@kamikariad]

and maybe the F-35s go out first?

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

That's logical, but there's another logic: if you don't fire your most potent weapon, you're risking it sinking with your ship, which would be a bummer

[@deanroberts2021]

@@BoraHorzaGobuchul I think in a real world attack (although this could never really happen unless the USA allowed it) the attackers would at least attempt to mix in missiles during the attack to try & overwhelm defences. If they were sat close enough to America to launch it would probably make more sense to fire everything they are willing to use & start running away.

[@texas8322]

I'm pretty sure that by the end of that battle, those ships in port would've had enough crew to man some of the weapons to help with missile defense. And I'm pretty sure this would've been the Millennial version of Pearl Harbor, and a declaration of war would be headed to Congress for approval. There would be three naval fleets taking their reactors to full steam to Japan and the Indian ocean. And WW3 will begin. I thuroughly enjoy these war games scenarios. Oh, and the competition carrier landings😂

[@mvam75]

If the US Navy let an enemy fleet get that close w/o scrambling the carrier - then they've completely failed. In my naval experience, that would be very unlikely.

[@dbrownss1480]

Considering the US watched China launch their spy balloon, they're not going to sneak a single ship across the pacific. But hey...good for clicks

[@sdhacking]

For sure, but it's a neat simulation. In reality the US would see the Chinese carrier group 2 days out and the entire 99th airwing from Nellis would have time to stage closer to the coast.

[@anthonyb5279]

There is always a Carrier group patrolling the west coast. You can't scramble a Nimitz.

[@ev17dan]

So you didn't watch the 1st 10 seconds of the video I see

[@kevinutube-gk9mk]

so China can't sail their ships in international waters without america threatening a military response?

[@nekomakhea9440]

Kinda odd that the USN ships are completely unmanned, Navy ships always have a duty section aboard (even during port visits) to stand watches for ship's security, and act as a skeleton crew to sail and fight in case of a surprise attack just like this. The only reason they'd be completely unmanned is if the ship is mothballed in reserves. Maybe they wouldn't fight at full efficiency until the crew could be recalled, but they would still be able to shoot back.

[@MrLmgg]

well the most "odd" one is Isreal got invaded a bit. (i mean recent war event) so theres nothing impossible if "human error" exist.

[@InspectahPatio]

@@MrLmgg Not seeing your enemy build a full scale model of your city when you have the best intelligence in the world is more than "human error".

[@drostapena7029]

carriers arent allowed to run the reactors in port. it takes about 4 days of underway to get the airwing onboard, with ammunition to suppourt it. thats not including reactor startups. cant speak for the DDGs and CGs tho

[@override367]

mach 7 but going in a straight line? SM-2 should be able to handle that, that's basically a slightly faster Scud missile

[@MaxIsStrange1]

Those kinds of hypersonic ballistic missiles seem to be wildly overhyped. Their performance doesn’t seem to be too different from that of the SCUD (which were successfully intercepted by the Patriot in 2003). So yeah, the SM-2 should suffice…

[@LewisB3217]

@@MaxIsStrange1 yeah they’re largely overhyped it seems, even Russias newest kinzel missile lost to the patriot

[@FIREFANG2001]

​@@MaxIsStrange1The game does not show the characteristics of hypersonic weapons at all. The difference between yj21 and scud missiles is like the difference between f22 and f104.

[@craigcarter9513]

Another excellent watch. Mach 10 missle barrages..... I mean salvos. Lol

[@TheSteezyNugget]

I live in San Diego and this was a cool hypothetical scenario

[@vault1515]

Is the superhornet mod that You use avaliable somewhere to download? I tried superbug mod but it don't have correct pylons like Yours.

[@grimreapers]

Link in vid description. Search "super hornet" in the Free Mods playlist, will take you to it.

[@vault1515]

@@grimreapers thanks for the info but I already tested the superbug mod and it don't have correct pylons in the editor. My question should be how to get all correct and functional pylons for the superhornet?

[@brandonmorgan193]

Man that title. you really couldn't come up with a better combination of words.

[@notagooglesimp8722]

So what kind of hardware are you using to run these modded matches? But you also have a server you don't use? whats the specs and what is the story?

[@zingzong5]

Miramar top gun students would be foaming at the mouth for this to happen

[@SWBB1000]

Day 4. Request of the KF-21. There was an article stating America was going to placing air defense units back on the mainland but also at important locations. Would assume a naval base would be part of it.

[@johnsmith-gk4td]

Has the PL-15 capabilities ever been physically confirmed?

[@grimreapers]

Nope

[@crackyflipside]

You should run the simulation in distance of cargo ships parked offshore of a busy port. That's how a fleet amount of various missiles arrive on the western coast functionally undetected.

[@mpeugeot]

So all the Navy assets at NAS Lemoore and Coronado are just going to sit idly by? I assume that the Alert USAF F-15's stationed at March AFB can't play either?

[@everypitchcounts4875]

Fresno does have a bunch of F-15s but 30 minutes south of Fresno is the Lemoore Naval Air Station that has F-15s, F-18s & F-35C.

[@gordilloedwin]

1 out of 16 hypersonic missiles got thru?!! In reality it would be the other way around.

[@24YOA]

Marines have F-35Cs for carrier ops. F-35Bs are meant for the amphibious assault ships, which do not have catapults nor arresting wires.

[@Just_A_Random_Desk]

Marines are so cool they get 2 variants

[@aidanabregov1412]

Very good video, but it would be cool to see a scale of SD fought over in your videos in the future from someone who sees the blue angels fly over my house from Miramar all the time!

[@badwolftx2139]

I still think a fascinating scenario (or set of scenarios) would be related to the Senkaku Islands north of Taiwan. The area is almost exactly equidistant from Kadena and the Chinese bases on the mainland (approximately 450km). The northern air base in Taiwan is a bit closer but the southern base in Taiwan is again almost exactly the same distance. AND...in the real world, it is ACTUALLY disputed territory between Japan, the PRC, and the RoC (aka Taiwan). It's absolutely conceivable that significantly interesting things could happen in that area that could make multiple countries be motivated to do some interesting things. For example, there are surveys that indicate the possibility of very large oil reserves in that area of the East China Sea in what is relatively shallow water on the continental shelf.

[@seitch1]

They're called Diaoyutai and they are Chinese territory. Even those TS'ese claim them as well.

[@badwolftx2139]

@@seitch1 That's what I'm talking about. It's one of the places that could be the actual tripwire in this part of the world. With the RoC, most people always seem to focus on the main island. Of course, the actual political and military tripwires are other areas in the region. The PRC could "invade" Kinmen County with kayaks and slingshots any day of the week and there is nothing anyone in the world could do about it. However, the more interesting locations are the disputed islands in the South China Sea but ESPECIALLY the Senkaku/Diaoyutai islands. Nobody lives there but multiple countries want to control them and they are actually within the combat radius of multiple countries. It's a perfect location to test the political will of multiple countries without any risk of civilian casualties in the immediate combat area. There has to be something in the DCS Marianas or South Atlantic map that could be a proxy. In the scenario I'm envisioning, something interesting happens in a place that's a proxy for Senaku/Diaoyutai. Two sides immediately launch full combat-loaded assets from similar distances of at least 250km with speed, fuel, etc. modeled to see how it plays out. Who ends up being able to control the area under different versions of the scenario.

[@jwzjwz2003cn]

Anywhere within 600 nautical miles of Chinese coastal line is an automatic Chinese win. 600 to 1000 nautical miles is 50/50, and anything outside of 1000 nautical miles is an automatic US win.

[@badwolftx2139]

@@jwzjwz2003cn That's why this is the only place I have found on the real world map where a conflict could hypothetically ever happen. It's within range of multiple bases and countries but it's also just far enough from everyone to make the logistics and strategy extremely interesting/challenging. Nobody would be covered by any ground based IADS. And, again, it's genuinely disputed territory and nobody lives there. It would trigger all of the global political tripwires without any collateral damage. If there is another actual place on the globe where a hypothetical conflict could actually happen between the US and China (or Russia), I have not found it yet.

[@jwzjwz2003cn]

@@badwolftx2139 I see your points, but in a real world scenario, both China and US/Japan would probably avoid the diaoyu/senkaku island as the theatre for the exact reason you mentioned. It's seating in everyone's gun range that just may be deemed a bit too risky for all parties. China would definitely try to lure the US fleets to its shorelines, whereas US and Japan may do the same trying to get China fleets to the Okinawa. The area surrounding the island is literally going to be an killzone considering all the thousands of missiles in everyone's arsenal that can reach there.

[@rodrigosassi3768]

it is crazy, 15 years ago China had an airforce with outdated aircraft and missiles, and while this scenario is very unlikely, fast foward to 2023 they have capabilties to hit US assets in US territory, the modernization of the PLA is crazy, and they are not stopping.

[@recrof]

@SuperCap, you start to sound like sports commentator.. can you imagine if real air wars were like that, with ads, slow-mo kills and over-excited commentators? live on tv, for common folk to "enjoy". sounds scary.

[@valentinmoerth2279]

In case anyone worries that this is actually a threat: Tactically and strategically a huge loss on china. The US would mobilse at least 50% of their airforce, navy and national guard to sink those ships in the aftermath (which is more than the chinese have in total planes, much more), nothing would get away undamaged or home. Stategically, the pricetag is important but confusing, because the carrier has no airwing. Still, the US has 11 of them. Nobody sane in their minds would ever attempt something like that and like this unless you had a significant supply line and tech and forces to back it up. Thanks for showing that again and again and again GR

[@CelloSocrates]

Why not give the US some anti-shipping capability surely some LRASMs would be a realistic defence against a carrier strike group?

[@beaverdam1199]

Very nice vid, however those arleigh burkes in port would be online and firing counter missiles at incoming anti ships missiles and the F-35s would've made it to the chinese flattened them then returned

[@Mr.Su-35Flanker-E]

The thing that shocked me, was the HY-21 missile the engine was on but, the speed was doing show. HOW?

[@MWSin1]

The carrier is fine. That's going to buff right out. The Arleigh Burke is going to need some serious duct taping, though.

[@planespottingfargo1174]

Wouldn't all naval personel in the area be called into base when this happens? If so the ships in harbour would eventually be able to fire would they not?

[@jessburgess5523]

what is the range of f35?coz its ran out of fuel..

[@jyralnadreth4442]

Is the port u used Beirut? Looks very similar to what I saw on the news with the explosion

[@ryanlowe6753]

The YJ-12's sound SO MEATY when you're on missile cam

[@grimreapers]

Agreed

[@cheekienterprisebreeki3165]

I am thinking if you can make these missiles reach the target at the same time.For example the sub sonic yj83 fire at the very first,then yj12/18 and yj21 for the final.

[@Jacmac1]

The closest quick reaction base is actually NAS North Island. The US Navy also has powerful detection and other assets on San Clemente Island, which is 60+ miles WNW of San Diego's harbor area. If China was really going to try and attack US military bases, they would be better off attempting to attack Guam, Samoa, or the Aleutian Islands. What would be interesting is to see a Chinese strike group navigate international waters off the US West Coast. It would be completely legal and scare the Hell out of everyone.

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

Of all the wish list items I have for DCS, improving the naval assets and functions, mainly submarines and submarine weapons like Harpoons, antiship Tomahawks, torpedo's and sonar are at the top. And real ASW assets like the Seahawks, dipping sonar, rocket assisted torpedoes and all the other bits and bytes to make it all work. I am probably never going to see that in DCS, it will be another sim that is created, like the game Harpoon and Harpoon II.

[@SmithandWesson22A]

I miss Harpoon 😢 spent many hours playing it

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

@@SmithandWesson22A Same here. Harpoon II was a huge upgrade and III was supposed to follow, but they cancelled it. Then it was sold several times with promises of finishing it, but that was over 12 years ago. Broke my heart!

[@mediamonitor980]

The map is upside down! Love the vid as usual though guys!

[@YeatzeeGuitar]

The largest marine base Camp Pendleton is 45 miles north of SD port.

[@joegoveia6499]

The only reason the sm6/sm3s are missing and the YJ21 got through is because of the altitude difference. Put them at the same 90k altutude where the SM doesnt have to bend to get the YJ and that wouldnt have gotten through. JMO.

[@keefer2424]

March AFB is close (USAF). Plus North Island Air Station Coronado (Navy). Yuma Air Station (Navy) about 120 miles away.

[@Shiittakes]

The SM missiles seem to always take a wildly incorrect trajectory when dealing with the hypersonics, for some reason flying miles over them and then choosing to turn essentially all the way around to hit them.

[@user-og4vk6mc9i]

DCS limitations i think

[@hengcao1129]

055 literally can carry 112 yj-21, it will be nice to give that a try just for fun

[@davidcanoy8579]

You should sim a long range antiship scenario- retaliation strike. B2 and escort?

[@mfreed40k]

Imagine that the reason the Chinese fleet is so small is due to submarines.

[@timbaskett6299]

Virginia Class, and Ohio SSGNs, buddy!!!

[@cassius_eu5970]

That would imply that the US is sinking Chinese ships in international waters.

[@ReddenOrvillebacher-ju4ep]

You know what would be kind of funny? If the US named a new surface to air missile "The Ritalin" to combat Hypersonic missiles.

[@kingbenjamin22]

These are oddly satisfying even knowing that in real life that's a lot of souls not coming home

[@MaddMattsGarage]

Well on the AIM-260 vs The peregrine missile loadouts... F35C loaded with 12 Peregrine missiles makes for a great missile truck @ medium ranges... kinda makes sense unless you are a AWACS hunter.

[@TK199999]

Best estimates are that the first batches of AIM-260's will be entering front line service with the USAF units by December 2023. Then wider deployment to the USN and eventually the Air National Guard/USMC by the end of 2025.

[@chrisvinicombe9947]

Hi Cap just pausing during the briefing. The f35's are showing 7 aim20d and 1 aim9x not 6 and 2 as you said.

[@grimreapers]

My bad, I must have set them up wrong :(

[@user-yh9or1ev8v]

Just fun!

[@FelipeDeCastroCruz]

No Australian has ever said "attending a barbie" lol

[@nathanisjesuschrist1175]

“my patreons going down”😂😂😂

[@cannon3267]

great watch. lots of fun, and some good simulations. but... as cap pointed out, not likely a carrier strike group could cross the pacific without detection and response. also highly unlikely would be 4 marine squadrons fully armed and all pilots in the ready room awaiting a scramble alarm. realistically, it would require at least 4-6 hours to armup and fuel up a full squadron. if that's wrong, someone let me know. great job cap.