Gridlife South 2018 - GT-R vs. SRT4 incident

[@neillee4406]

To me it looks like GTR got target fixation and was focused on lining up for a pass on the front straight. He did not react in time for slowing traffic in front. It looks like there were large pieces of Corvette debris spanning the entire width of the track. You can see that the GTR hits some of them after the impact. There wasn't much open space for the evo and SRT to drive to with the amount of debris in front to not slow considerably and retain control. The GTR driver was in full commit and simply didn't react in time. Unfortunate, but I agree that the blame mostly lies with the GTR.

[@BboyMobster]

glad you're ok. You kept your composure! i would of been cussing up a storm lol

[@datfacegamer5403]

I remember seeing you out on the track for a little while! Then we went in the pits and saw that you had both the cars pitted up and saw the damage,I was wondering what had happened

[@ryangraf6222]

Man i'm really sorry to hear. GT-R driver really should have been paying more attention.

[@v2lab]

wow man... glad you're alright!

[@njshift]

Is there posted in-car footage from the GT-R driver? Glad everyone walked away unscathed.

[@ModernSRT4]

vimeo.com/286914419

[@ModernSRT4]

I am told the lower right hand "gauge" in the display is the TPS.

[@njshift]

Thanks man. That confirmed my suspicion. Glad you’re ok. Hope to see the car back on the track soon.

[@njshift]

Found another perspective of the incident. Just terrible. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKCWgWCOgNxlh9U

[@streetfighternissan7476]

i saw this hit it looked pretty narly. gald to hear your alright. cars can be replace or fixed you cant. you got it next year. you looked pretty hot out on grid. keep up the good work

[@WheelPowerRacing]

Good job avoiding the Evo when you got rammed. Glad you are ok. Looks like you entered a demolition derby in progress when you exited 12

[@ModernSRT4]

It was a bit hectic at the moment that's for sure.

[@sarahdell4042]

Yikes. Guy in the GTR wasn’t paying attention. I would be livid.

[@KnightDriveTV]

Seems like the GTR got into the grass a bit and lost braking ability but...definitely lacked some awareness. Glad to see your car didn't take too much damage...GTR driver at least minimized it I suppose.

[@mikeosborn1742]

GTR was forced into the grass to brake since the EVo and SRT left him zero room. Not sure why the SRT didn't keep rolling because there was hardly any debris in front of him. Maybe he was rubber necking at the Z06. The SRT driver could have rolled through the grass to get off the race line instead of staying on track and blocking any avenue for the GTR. Experienced drivers know how to use their mirrors to avoid being hit in the rear. Lessoned learned to use your mirrors and give space to the car behind you. good lesson for the track and street.

[@x1wangchung2nite]

@@mikeosborn1742 seems like you're the GTR driver. If you are then it was your fault. Stay out the grass

[@mikeosborn1742]

@@x1wangchung2nite, I wasn't the driver. Were you there? Do you drive? The GTR driver was forced into the grass since the Neon left him zero room stopping on the raceline. Rookie mistake. Watch the Evo do the right thing and move to the right. If the Neon moved to the right as well then we wouldn't be discussing this. It is easy to Monday morning quarterback. The Neon driver said he didn't realize where he was on the track and assumed the GTR would slow down. That says it all. As a racecar driver you need to be aware of your surroundings and use your mirrors. I hope lessons have been learned by all drivers watching this video.

[@MichaelSmith-pb4yl]

Mike Osborn rooky mistake? Talking about a driver with multiple records under his belt, gtr driver can’t drive period he fucked up.

[@mikeosborn1742]

@@MichaelSmith-pb4yl, just because he has a few records doesn't mean he didn't make a rookie mistake. If he would have been aware of where he was on the track and what cars were around him then the accident could have been possibly avoided. Neon driver even admitted he wasn't aware where his car was on the track and assumed the GTR would slow when he gave him less than a second to react and brake. You should always move off the raceline if you have to brake hard or have a mechanical issue with your car. Rookies are taught that. Not sure why the Neon driver didnt know to do that. The Evo driver certainly did. He moved over allowing the Neon to have more braking room.

[@MikeEM1]

GTR at fault. No excuses. He should have been looking ahead on that last corner and saw there was an issue ahead and slowed down right away. If you guys saw it and slowed down, he should have too.

[@mcarp22]

So wait, dude then drives the WRONG WAY down the pit exit on 3 wheels while oiling down the straightaway?

[@ModernSRT4]

Sadly, Yes!

[@wertmanbob]

Hope they bar ed his ass.

[@mikeosborn1742]

Funny Doug. You didn't feel this way on Friday. Man up!

[@MichaelSmith-pb4yl]

Mike Osborn gtr owner sure seems like a jackass and your not helping.

[@mikeosborn1742]

@@MichaelSmith-pb4yl, you make zero sense ^

[@Johnman5757]

This is very unfortunate. Hard to imagine car to car contact at a time attack event.

[@sccemo]

That sucks... glad you're ok. RATL is taking some seriously casualties this weekend at gridlife. 😰

[@KingMrBigE]

That sucks dude! Well a speedy recovery and getting back out there to you!

[@funtdrv]

Pretty intense. Glad you are OK, Doug. For how violent that looked, the damage to your car really doesn't look to bad. Certainly won't put you out of contention. Guy in the GT-R had way more car than ability.

[@mikeosborn1742]

Damage done to the GTR is 4 times the cost of the Neon. GTR driver should be the one upset.

[@funtdrv]

@@mikeosborn1742 Probably so, but he was also clearly at fault.

[@mikeosborn1742]

You can't expect to stop on the race line with less than a second between you and the car behind you and not get hit. Doug made a rookie mistake. Use your mirrors and move off line. Good lesson that 16 year olds are taught in driving school. Look behind you before braking and move over to allow cars more room to stop and not hit you.

[@funtdrv]

@@mikeosborn1742 Not really. Guy behind him tried to use track that wasn't there. Way too target fixated on making the pass, and lost situational awareness. Car tends to not stop well once you're on the green stuff. Unsure how much seat time you have, but from almost any perspective, I can't see this one being anyone's fault, other than the GTR. You are right, with less than a second, there's few options. When debris is on the track, it's your responsibility to avoid. Unfortunately, not everyone did. Also, note that the GTR drove all the way to the put with three wheels and fluids leaking. Easy to lose one's head in a high pressure event like that one.

[@mikeosborn1742]

@@funtdrv hopefully you have looked at the in car video of the GTR. Clearly shows Jason tried to put it into the grass to avoid Doug who was almost stopped on the raceline. Racers with experience understand that in the event of a crash you need to drive around it even if it means through some debris and move off the raceline if you slam on your brakes. I know Doug realizes this and wishes he would have moved over like the Evo driver did to give room for other drivers trying to stop. If the Evo hadn't moved off the raceline then Doug would have slammed into him. Good thinking by the Evo driver. I wish Doug would have done the same. Must use your mirrors and can't be so fixed on the wrecked Z06. Rubber necking causes wrecks. Doug left no room on the track for Jason to stop. The majority of the racing community that has views all videos and were there understand this. Hopefully doug has learned a valuable lesson as Jason has as well. Hopefully Doug will retract some of his statements after he cools off. He agreed at the trailer after seeing the videos that Jason had zero room to stop and it was unavoidable. Funny how his tune changed the next day.

[@ЕвгенийАлкеев-ч4ц]

so sad :( do you plan to repair the car? I really like how your SRT drives, the best I've ever seen. A very balanced car. Can you write a list of modifications on the car?

[@jayr5331]

Glad your are okay. Wow you did some serious racing. Car sounded great and handled the course perfectly. GT-R ruined the party.

[@ModernSRT4]

Thanks man! Unfortunately this was the end of my ONLY lap of the event. Only reason he was even behind me was he was late to grid and they made him start in the back.

[@egjr2722]

To me it seemed like the evo’s fault for pretty much stopping in the middle of the race line. Either way it really sucks! Hope you all can recover and get back out there.

[@ModernSRT4]

@@egjr2722 there was a Corvette in front of the Evo that spontaneously disintegrated upon multiple wall impacts. Check out the debris field in front of the Evo.

[@egjr2722]

ModernSRT4 aaah!!! I was wondering where that other. body panel came from. Wow that sucks. Just carnage everywhere. I guess it was unavoidable but i do agree the GTR was not paying attention.

[@mikeosborn1742]

Really need to see video from the GTR point of view. No way he could have seen the wreck from his angle and because thew SRT slammed on his brakes and didn't move off the race line caused this to be so much worse.

[@rcghalohell]

i think i saw that gtr before at znationals back in 17. that red and black looks familiar

[@asian-ugrclab2367]

Glad you're okay Doug. Looks like GTR driver wasn't paying attention of his surroundings. Lack of driver mod. Just my opinion.

[@SpectroRacingChannel]

Glad everyone is OK!

[@steveruss3654]

GTR: Kinda hard to react to stopping when you're 1 or 2 wheels off at the corner exit...and looking at your phone or otherwise not paying attention. Really...doesn't belong on the track. SRT sorry about your luck here...too bad the GTR wasn't paying attention. This would have been a nothing had he reacted.

[@mikeosborn1742]

You need to see the in car video from the GTR. Less than a second to react when idiots stop on the race line. This is what happens when you allow slow cars on the track with high horsepower track cars.

[@ModernSRT4]

I've run a 1:31 in that car, on that track, with the same set-up... Care to make an more stupid comments? You seem to have an abundance of them!

[@steveruss3654]

Another keyboard hero...this is racing, the situation is dynamic and can change in a split second. If you're not comfortable with that fact don't play with the big boys. Clearly you lack any level of experience or you wouldn't say DF comments about speed differentials. . MordernSRT4 had no choice and safely stopped on track without hitting anyone. Racer boy in the GTR was at least 1 wheel off at corner exit and in way too deep to have any control in this situation and ran out of talent.

[@mikeosborn1742]

@@ModernSRT4 hahaha! That car has never run a 1:31 at Road Atlanta. Maybe 1:37 or 1:38.

[@garytsuikk]

Nothing the guy in the GTR could do. The car drives itself right?

[@YoSuey]

The real question is how the vette crashed halfway down the front strech, well before the braking point for anyone.

[@ModernSRT4]

I believe he got wide at track-out (by starters stand) and got into the dirt. While attempting to correct, the car hooked right and he went across track and impacted the inside wall. His momentum carried him down the straight away along the wall.

[@YoSuey]

ModernSRT4 just relooked, and tire marks pretty much lead to this.

[@brian6speed]

Holy crap. I have thought about attending and participating in these events, but after seeing this I've changed my mind. I don't want to be on track with that GTR driver. Then after the fact him and his buddies blame you when he slams into rear of you. Less carnage at spec miata weekend.

[@mikeosborn1742]

Brian, Trust me we don't want your slow car holding us up. Leave the racing to the professionals.

[@Hole_Motorsports]

Mike Osborn you’ll find better drivers in spec Miata than this gtr driver. Situational awareness is #1 in wheel to wheel racing and he obviously was lacking

[@alanlozano6535]

hi guys, do you or a friend have images or videos of a orange dodge viper TA 2014 with the number 888 that crashed that day? is for be passed to goonzquad, tey are rebuilding that vehicule

[@ModernSRT4]

I do not. I watched some of their videos about it yesterday. My car and the viper were parked side by side after the wrecks so I will check with some friends and see if they got any.

[@alanlozano6535]

@@ModernSRT4 thanks mate, it would be so nice if it is some material to share with then, they was asking on the 1st video for info of that car and how it crashed, that could be useful to look for deeper damages if necessary

[@ModernSRT4]

If I find one... I'll reach out to them, I have a few more friends to ask.

[@danwalters182]

wow that was hairy glad you got out unscathed and the GTR didn't hit the wrecked car

[@TamakiRocks]

As they teach us at motorcycle track days- you're responsible for NOT hitting the rider in front of you. They're responsible for not hitting the one in front of them. You managed to avoiding hitting anyone EVEN when you got ran into the back of. GT-R is at fault, as you can see in this and their videos, and his friend being a loudmouth in the comments isn't really helping mine, if anyone's, opinion in changing. Target fixation can get you, but this is on the same level of "couldn't be avoided" as people who say they had to lay down their bike to avoid impacting a car that pulls out in front of them- brakes work best when your tires are on pavement, instead of on the grass or in the air. Glad you're alright, cars can be fixed if you throw money at them, but injuries screw you up for life.

[@mikeosborn1742]

Falequeen, Yes I am being loud to point out the inaccuracies of the video comments and all the Monday morning quarterbacks on here. Never stop on the raceline! Move over like the Evo to give other cars room to brake. No where you are on the track and no where the other cars are. Never assume someone behind you is going to stop when you give them less than a second to react to your brake lights at 120 mph. Would love to see someone else do better.

[@TamakiRocks]

Wow, I'm soooo shocked you're still butthurt. Like I said, you're responsible for the person in front of you on the track. Everyone else managed to not crash into anyone else except the GT-R in this incident, so there's actually several examples of other people doing better right there.

[@mikeosborn1742]

@@TamakiRocks Actually you are also responsible for knowing where your car is on track and moving off the race line if stopping. You are responsible for giving cars behind you enough time to stop. The Evo did the right thing allowing enough room for the Neon to brake. The Neon did not give that same curiosity to the GTR. Not butt hurt at all. Just want people to take accountability for their actions. Funny, were you there? If you were not then I think you need to hold your judgement.

[@mikeosborn1742]

@@TamakiRocks I have heard from a couple professional drivers who feel the same as I. Lessons should be learned. Blame is should be equally distributed for the cause of this accident. The Z06 owner who wrecked starting this chain reaction has taken responsibility and apologized. The GTR owner realizes he should have looked further ahead on the track and should always anticipate a wreck. The Evo driver slowed and moved over but could have kept driving through the small debris even around the Z06 front bumper that was on the track. The Neon driver should have moved off raceline anticipating cars coming from behind and kept moving forward. Know one expects cars to stop on a front stretch where they should be accelerating. I have been racing since I was 18 years old and have always been taught that if you need to brake or slow down you must move off the race line.

[@mikeosborn1742]

@@TamakiRocks, The real problem was allowing slower cars like the Neon to be in the A group where he didnt belong. He was 4 seconds slower than the GTR and only quicker than 2 cars in the group of 17. Gridlife officials should have had him in a slower class. Not saying that was Doug's fault. I also think the first session out all drivers shouldn't have been going for record times but should have been warming up their cars and focusing on who was on the track with them.

[@andydhillon1977]

So unfortunate. I saw the footage from the Evo behind the GT-R. I've been tracking for 20 years now. I cant stand it when drivers come to almost complete stops on a hot track when.a car wrecks. I blame the Evo in front of you. Absolutely no reason to decrease speed that much for an incident thats not on the pavement.

[@JordonMusser]

why the hugee rate of closure? did you lift in t11?

[@SuperGlacierGirl]

A Corvette had bounced off the walls in front of this crash, cars slowing to avoid the debris and Corvette.

[@b.bishop]

Do you know what’s worse than not keeping right to avoid considerable debris... smacking into the back of another car. Funny how everyone else managed to stop without plowing into one another except for the GT-R driver trying to blame everyone else.

[@jasonhyde4673]

So, how does it work when someone else hits your car like this? Do they pay for it? Are you screwed because you are on a track and now you have to pay for all the repairs yourself? I often wondered this for even just a simple HPDE event.

[@SuperGlacierGirl]

It's racing, doo doo happens, and unless you have track insurance, it's on your dime to repair your car. You should have seen the Corvette that started all this.

[@ModernSRT4]

Brad is correct. OCCASIONALLY when someone messes up another persons car, they offer to help, but that is the exception... not the rule. We accept the risk when we go on track... it just sucks when you are a bystander in someone else's accident.

[@mikeosborn1742]

You need to accept you caused the wreck. If you would have moved over and allowed room on the track then you wouldn't have been hit. You should pay the $30K to fix the GTR

[@ModernSRT4]

You are delusional dude!

[@jasonhyde4673]

ModernSRT4 thanks for the reply. I guess I tend to forget the competitive nature of Grid Life and was thinking more of a normal HPDE or open track day.

[@integrafreak1]

Who pays for the damage of both cars?

[@ModernSRT4]

Each car is repaired by the owner.

[@lawrenceaiello8191]

As an owner of a high hp car... he was in full abs and had no chance to stop, regardless of if he was paying attention or not. Add it’s a gt-r that’s a little porky, it was pretty unavoidable. It’s a lot easier to slow down a momentum car compared to a gt-r. Glad everyone was ok.

[@ModernSRT4]

Larry, there are no momentum cars in this accident. I don't know anything about this particular GT-R but there is a high probability that my SRT4 has the highest whp of all the cars seen in this video.

[@ModernSRT4]

My main advantage to slowing is probably the 900 less pounds of mass...

[@tuurbow]

stop making excuses for the gtr and driver. The driver of the GTR is an absolute tool. He wasnt paying attention and was going to try and pass on the outside.

[@mikeosborn1742]

@@tuurbow Dude, I bet you don't even own a car. You are a joke.

[@mikeosborn1742]

@@ModernSRT4Wonder if you would have hit the rear of the Evo if he hadn't moved to the right to allow you more room to brake? When the Evo hit his brakes he moved off the raceline allowing you room to move up and more room to slow. Hard to believe your Neon has more HP than that GTR. Post your dyno graph.

[@imspud]

didn't look like 11 was waving a yellow flag

[@ModernSRT4]

Nah... The flagger was holding a passing flag for the Evo and the Corvette went off on his own right before we apexed Turn 12. Timing just didn't allow fast enough flag change

[@mikeosborn1742]

No flag at the the bridge or start finish line.

[@ReaperXTC]

Glad you're ok buddy. This is just another example of the shit show that is Gridlife. Never will I participate in one of their events again. Too many cars on wreckers all weekend long.

[@RetemVictor]

too much HP not enough XP.

[@mikeosborn1742]

Very experienced GTR driver. Cant slam on your brakes on the race line with less than a second gap from the car behind you and not expect to get hit. Stupid!

[@ModernSRT4]

Evo did it, and didn't get hit... JS

[@mikeosborn1742]

@@ModernSRT4 , Evo moved over. Gave room. SRT driver didn't. Stayed on race line. Rookie mistake.

[@thudtheace]

GTR slipped up, 2 tires in the grass before the evo and srt hit the brakes.. Rookie mistake.

[@mikeosborn1742]

@@thudtheace, if you watch the video the GTR makes turn 12 on the raceline and once he straightens out sees the Neon's brake lights come on. Then he drops 2 wheels into the grass trying to make room to go around the Neon which is blocking the raceline and only leaving the grass and wall as an option. GTR driver realizes he wont brake in time and turns at the last fraction of a second saving the Neon owner and himself from horrific damage and possible death. Thankful for his split second reaction or both drivers may not be here to play Monday morning quarterback on social media.

[@mikeosborn1742]

I am a bit upset by your comments Doug. When you came to the trailer we reviewed all the videos and you agreed there wasn't much to be done given the GTR was right behind you coming fast and the fact that slamming on your brakes and not moving off the raceline gave the GTR driver less than a second to react to your brake lights and try and brake. You gave the GTR zero room to stop. You never stop on the race line! Even amateur drivers know that. Not sure why you didn't keep moving when the Evo shifted to the right to allow you room to move through. The GTR did everything he could to try and avoid you. The only area you left him was the wall or your car. He tried to move onto the grass to avoid you. you can see he tries braking and moved onto the grass but you left him zero room. You need to learn to look in your mirrors before stopping and never stop on the race line! I hate this wreck happened and I feel horrible for the Z06 driver, you and the GTR driver. Your damage is pennies compared to the Z06 and the GTR. I am happy no one got hurt from this and I hope everyone has learned how to be a safer driver for future races. I truly hope you revise your comments because you did not feel this way on Friday and if you did then I wish you would have spoken up and told us to our faces. That would have been the professional way to handle it. Not this childish way on You Tube and Facebook.

[@ModernSRT4]

As I told Jason, I didn't even know where my car was, much less seen any of my video or data. I knew Jason (or at least a red GT-R) was behind me, but made an assumption that he would be slowing as the Evo and I did... he did, but too late and the grass played a role as well. How was I to know he would drop wheels and lose grip? And for your information, I couldn't see the Vette crash either. All I saw was a dust cloud along the inside wall as I apexed 12 and I was lifting, and braking from shortly after that moment. Dust clouds on a racetrack are bad! After that I matched the pace of the Evo and left myself a path incase he moved of broke harder. I can't make all the adjustments for each car that may or may not be slowing behind me.

[@mikeosborn1742]

@@ModernSRT4 I ask you retract your statements then. You saw the videos in the trailer. You knew it was avoidable. You agreed but now you are upset and want to place blame. I understand the emotions you are feeling but posting your crap on social media is going to bite you in the ass. You are making yourself look really bad amongst the racers out there and loosing our respect. Don't be that guy that no one wants to race with. It sucks the accident happened. The GTR and Z06 suffered horrific damage. Your Neon has damage but no where near the cost the others drives have to deal with. You know you had room to move off into the grass or move forward even if you went over some debris. I warn you though that you should not be threatening to kick a bad ass military guys ass that is half your age. You should apologize to him and then thank him for his continued service to our country.

[@ModernSRT4]

Jason and I have talked and are OK to move forward, and never once did I threaten him. If you misconstrued a comment, that is your problem. Please show me the racers of whom I have lost their respect. I have run over a hundred track events all over the country with never any bent sheetmetal. I have donated my winnings to others who wrecked their cars, and helped many racers fix their cars by handing out anything and everything I have on my truck that might help them. 12,000+ views on this video and you (a close friend of the other driver) seem to be the only person blaming me for this incident.

[@mikeosborn1742]

@@ModernSRT4, I saw your comments about Jason holding his young son and you saying it was a tactic to avoid getting his ass beat. Very unprofessional. I realize you have spoken to Jason. The Z06 driver has also reached out and apologized for the inciddent. I don't care how many track events you have done and not wrecked. You just need to realize that if you would have moved over like the Evo did then the wreck may have been avoided. I dont think any of this is only one persons fault. Lessons should be learned by everyone involved or evening watching the videos. I have avoided numerous wrecks by driving around them or going into the grass. Not once have I slammed on my brakes on the raceline. Yes driving through debris is not desirable as I was forced to do this at Barber and cut my left front tire after a Porsche hit the wall in front of me. I drove around and through debris. I never hit the brakes because I knew I would be hit from behind. My biggest gripe with you is the comments on your video and on social media. You stirred up the shit pot. I will always defend a good friend and can be a tremendous foe to anyone who attacks my friends and family. Trust me you have lost lots of respect. You may not see people posting that to you but trust me you have. I am glad you and Jason have spoken again.

[@mikeosborn1742]

Hope you have watched the video you already saw on Friday and will retract your statements and apologize to the GTR Driver!