Mods In Beat Saber

[@nvme1n1]

The mods breaking is just a side effect of you developing the game further. Its not your fault. However, it would be nice if you'd release a custom song creator, that allows people to create custom songs that don't break with every update. I realize that that could lead to copyright problems on your end, but you don't actually have to host the songs that people create. People are already using unlicensed songs in your game, its just harder to keep them working currently. I don't see how making modding easier for the community would change the situation for you as a developer. You WOULD have to actually make a custom song creator that is easy to understand and to use for many people, which is probably a pretty big undertaking for a smaller game, but I think it would make the game way more appealing long term. I do think its ridiculous of people to assume that you break mods on purpose though. Modding is an integral part of beatsaber for many players and you seem like you're in no way opposed to anyone modifying your game. Anyway, you seem to be doing great and the quest port looks great. The Monstercat pack was also very nice and I wish you only the best for whatever you intend to do with the game going forward ^^

[@Maxsparrow]

Their early access page on Steam actually says they would love to add a custom song creator. I'm eager to hear from them when they plan on doing that, and if they are not, they should at least tell us that plainly and remove it from the Steam page.

[@buniboi2163]

Yeah but for some reason my mods do not work anymore. Ever since I added some songs from the BeatSaver site (I think that's what it's called) my mods got deleted. And I got the mods back but they're not showing up. I did say this in the discord server but ...

[@buniboi2163]

@That Poo Head Modsaber doesn't work anymore either for now.

[@Lysanders]

@@buniboi2163 the person who made mod saber quit for health reasons. There's a new mod manager now. Check the discord.

[@buniboi2163]

@@Lysanders Ok, I downloaded it. Hopefully this time it will work.Though the plugins aren't in the plugins folder, i'm just gonna prey it still works. (I also installed my mods back so-)

[@skeezixmccat]

Anyone who is mad or surprised about mods breaking with updates clearly is new to modding games in the first place and doesn't understand how they work.

[@mickeilkeil]

first i wanna say, beat saber is clearly one of the best game in Vr. (and i am not english sorry for mistake) but, so this upgrade make 2 hudge mistake. one break mod ... rythme game on PC is base on modding, beat saber have to deal with it. but, i can accept this mistake. but ... DLC in early acces !! ?? what ? when i buy a game, it for a game not for a demo. exepte totaly breack the game, i am not sure they can make bigger mistake.

[@Jono997]

@Charlie McDaniel one thing you have to consider is that for a decent chunk of players, this *is* their first time getting into mods since the official setlist is tiny (for now) and modding is the only way to add more.

[@CrazyCold]

i guess so, but them bs devs really dont like the people who make there game popular without custom songs its nothing :(

[@Jono997]

@@CrazyCold you have it so ass backwards it hurts. The devs don't hate modding, they just prioritise improving the vanilla experience over ensuring mod compatibility.

[@MemeMan42069]

or I am just annoyed because a shitty update permanently broke mods for me.

[@FirriApril]

I am a bit sad that you have to explain this to your players. I don't know how stupid people have to be to not realize that mods are third party modifications you are not responsible for and that they WILL break when the code gets changed. And anyone familiar with copyright should realize the challenges custom songs bring.

[@Rjean-paul]

Yea when i saw the video i was like ppl actually complain its like 10 minutes of work for 1 update. But im asking myself how peppy (dev from osu) is doing it bc his game is literally made out of copyrighted music and as far he hasn't got into any trouble

[@encrypt3d587]

@@Rjean-paul my guess is because the game is open source and he's just making money off of donations.

[@Rjean-paul]

@@encrypt3d587 hmmm.. That could actually be true. It would be cool if they took non copyrighted music and asked us the community if we would map it for them

[@monkeysrcrazy1]

But at the same time, this game border line requires mods to remain fun. They should find a way to not totally break mods each update.

[@Flourish38]

@@monkeysrcrazy1 The only real way to solve that problem is to pre-release the updates to the modders, and that puts a lot of pressure on the modders to update their mod before the release.

[@hopefaul9490]

At first I was like "Why does this guy have Jaroslav Beck name tag WAIT IT'S HIM". Thank you for all those moments, 100$ is in my playlist

[@MrThat0neperson]

The mods are an integral part of the game for me, but I would never blame you for what you do to improve it, which invariably breaks them. Just keep doing what you do, because you do it very well!

[@devindykstra]

I can only imagine what that feels like, you update a game out of passion and love for the project, to improve it, even in the most minor ways, and then your fans get mad at you. All that I can say is that we all love your work, even those who get mad at you for updating it, they are mad because they care about beatsaber and they love playing it. They just don't understand. That being said, I hope this video gets to many people and educates them.

[@Kolezan]

People need to realize that mods (Modifications) are not supported by the developers and that Mods aren't like Plugins for other software where the developers have support for custom features or content. Mods will break when the changed or dependent parts of the game change in an update, simple as that. And Beat Saber is still in Early Access, don't forget that. This means will things will constantly change and be updated, both in minor or major ways.

[@_BLUU_]

It’s not even just for beat saber, it’s for other games too

[@llllvllll2297]

I just wanna say that Beat Saber is probably one of my favorites VR games, it's addictive, fun... Not to hard but not to easy and really cool. Well played :)

[@mariopokemon955]

Oreki dependent on what song, modifiers and difficulty are used I'd say it can be too hard

[@freddy3238]

Playlists please! I want to be able to play songs one after the other on my order of choosing.

[@dragonwithak]

I dont have a vr set but I would want this when I get one agreed absolutely agreed

[@AzureD2]

pls ppl dont be rude to them. They did amazing job. They work hard af for us, for players. Be gentle, tolerant and respectful, thank you

[@MemeMan42069]

idk man making my game literally unplayable with or without mods for some systems is a pretty shitty update.

[@pkilljoy5797]

Its so easy to break software, adding mods and then updating the base game is a recipe for game breaking issues. for VR enthusiasts who are complaining, you really know very little about software. My suggestion is to use a mod manager app, and set it to not allow beatsaber to auto-update. That way, you are in control and whenever you do decide to update, you can uninstall the mods first

[@sqeepo]

Thank you for being here! Feel free to let me know what should be the next topic for next vlog!

[@ramonvelarde4432]

Future songs? Love the new addition of the Monster Cat Pack but I'm now craving more! Keep doing what you do and hope for the best of your game!

[@srenskammelsen4184]

Can you make custom songs on psvr maybe via a usb?

[@Saddened_Editor]

Is there any way that there can be a mode made for custom songs? I know that modders are working hard to keep up with your updates, but I think it would be an awesome way to connect with the overall community of Beat Saber to make a custom song mode. I remember how fun it was to do this with other beat related games. I hope you can figure out how to make this a reality.

[@miroslavbulldosex]

@@Saddened_Editor they won't ever do that, because it's not profitable. (and because there could be some copyright issue, but I'm sure that could be avoided)

[@JamanWerSonst]

Can you maybe talk about your process of getting new songs into the game? Could there maybe be a community vote about which games will be added next? Also, can the leaderboards in party mode be expanded past 10 entries? I play party mode with friends a lot and its always sad to see the ones who aren't that good yet not getting onto the leaderboards at all because its already full with 10 entries.

[@sokrboy1]

I'd be interested in learning how often all the employees actually play beat saber and at what difficulty level. Also what challenges you are facing as you continue to develop the game, as well as difficulties in acquiring licensing for other songs?

[@kurekureci]

Good work guys! Unless you dont deliberately disable mods we will be happy :D

[@eTreyu27]

Please try not to listen to all the negativity, you made a kick ass game that is pushing VR forward in a big way. It is an amazing experience, and a good workout, in a medium where people sit too much. You are changing the landscape! Keep going please, and know for every annoying complainer there are 1000 fans who love your game. The Quest launch is going to be insane for BS, hold on tight! I wish I could invest...

[@stirrcrazy2704]

thanks for addressing the community on mods, voices of reason were getting rarer and rarer out in the wilderness of steam reviews.

[@SVAFnemesis]

He’s basically saying it takes tremendous amount of manpower to build a mod compatible API component into the game and in the comment people are saying “how stupid for people not to know that” well first of all, people shouldn’t know because not everyone’s a game dev, second, I do VR dev and I hold my second opinion on what he said. No disrespect its a superb VR game, but still.

[@McFly.Productions]

The whole thing about unlicensed music is that audio surf has been allowing custom songs for years and there is no issue cause it’s not them hosting them. You adding support but not supplying the music would not implicate you in anyway to the deeds of other people cause there is free music and there is the fact someone could own a copy of the song and just download the map and inject there already owned music. And adding a camera mod would be much appreciated to streamers as the game is big for streamers lately. You guys are doing a great job but I really don’t see much of an issue with the mods. Bring these people that but in time helping progress the game with mods and have them help add these features officially.

[@archive321]

This is what I want to wake up to!

[@ChrisJohnsonCJs-Kitchen]

It's fun to peek behind the scenes, thanks for this video. It's totally understandable that updating the game would affect the mods, thanks for all the work you are putting into making this a great game for us!

[@Kylon99]

I wrote a small mod for Beat Saber and while it's sad that the mods break, I'm glad that the game continues to improve. And I will keep working to fix the mods as you update!

[@craigo8938]

Thanks guys, love your game, it's the reason I bought my quest! But I did search and search to make sure it would be able to handle custom maps, before giving up on knowing and just buying with my fingers crossed (and searching every day after getting it) And yay for the mod community for figuring it out so quickly and so smoothly, it's a perfect combo, having you guys releasing features, and the mod community keeping the custom maps and mods working. Just please ignore the negativity, and please, never try to intentionally artificially block or disable mods (like like mentioned at 5m02s). That said, it would be great if you were careful to leave a hook open somewhere so that custom song mods at least didn't break. I wouldn't have bought my quest, and would hardly play beat saber at all if it wasn't for custom songs. The built in ones are OK, but not my style and definitely not my favourite ones to play (love Spitfire by The Prodigy, play it almost every day). Really looking forward to 360 mode, particularly what the mod community does with it! Lets treat you guys like a team! You guys made the wonderful app, and they make it SO much better, win win :)

[@idkbubbz8871]

If they can’t add mods I’m cool with it. The songs on already are sick and the amount of replay ability is class.

[@ArcticuKitsu]

No need to apologize about mods breaking for your game, or any other game. It's not your fault there are pampered fake gamers out there wanting to be treated as royalty. When an update releases it changes line of code, something mods depend on, so mods have to update to handle the new coding. That's common knowledge, or should be. If people whine about mods breaking then they're simply not gamers.

[@bejited6932]

thank you for acknowledging this topic

[@davidwestwood1459]

One possible idea for custom songs is to look at the community and every month or patch select like 10 songs that the community likes and buy the proper permissions to use those songs and integrate them into your game. (I think this would allow for a mix of both worlds and could make your life easier)

[@_samograj]

You totally have my support, it's natural, what you're saying.

[@Vulas_Rs]

It's a shame about the whole review bomb situation that happened. I personally understand that a game needs to be updated and I support all of you guys over at beat games that work on BS and the other titles. Hope to see more great content for Beat Saber :D

[@Dietahvr]

Updates and more content: Yes Paying additional money for it: No The game has to deliver way more content for FREE to be worth the initial price of 20€

[@wonkyjon]

The sad thing is the people that complain about mods breaking aren't the people that are likely to see this. Perhaps getting the message to them in game is the way to go. Maybe along the lines of the health warning, a single screen that shows a brief message to explain.

[@VirtualTurtleGames]

People can be harsh.. It's crazy to see all the negative reviews. I mean, beat saber is amazing, and there should be no doubt about that!

[@zoetropik]

Hi and thanks for making Beat Saber! As someone who bought your game soon after it came out (and who plays it literally every day), there's one small bug fix I'd be very grateful to see in a future update: accented character support. My Steam username is "zoëtropik", but every time I appear at the top of one of the global leaderboards, it shows as "zo tropik"... or, since 0.13.2, "zo?tropik". I'm sure there are tonnes of European players who would love it if characters like ö, é, and å would display properly in your game. Alternatively, if making Beat Saber support those characters is too difficult, could you make the game simply convert them to their unaccented variants? Because even seeing "zoetropik" on the leaderboards would be an improvement over what I have now. ;-) Many thanks in advance!

[@memesaber1883]

Mods make the game more fun, but when the dev for modsaber quit i'm surprised that some players blamed that on the devs of the original game. Without the devs the game wouldn't be here in the first place, and without the effort put into it the game wouldn't be as polished as it now is. Sure mods bring a second life to the game, but while mods are down why not try out some of the original songs?(still not impressed by the dlc tho) The devs worked hard on it and every single one of them are easy to play/hard to master. They also gave us modifiers and training mode so we can speed the song up to 200%, and i bet barely any of you can do ex+ beat saber with a 150% speed and gn :P The dlc update might be trash, but that shouldn't stop us from seeing the effort the devs are giving. Thanks for making the game and giving us a hell of a experience.

[@mickon7404]

Mám na čo byť hrdý 💙! Ak je Vlado zo Slovenska of course 😅 Ste mojím vzorom chalani 🇸🇰🇨🇿

[@mariopokemon955]

I understand there might not be custom songs, but I hope there's gonna be the chance to get Duel of Fates + Other Star Wars songs, because those are in my opinion, songs made for Beat Saber

[@staffy35]

I don’t know if you will be able to answer this question (probably not, either should be answered by oculus or modders), but will mods be possible on the quest? This will depend mostly on if the quest can enable file management of the game. I’ve heard that you can side-load games on, so there is probably gonna be a way to do that, but do you know for sure if it will be possible, or not confirmed yet/probably better wait till release?

[@reaxt]

welcome in San Fransisco

[@OhTanoshi]

I wouldn't say song licensing is a huge issue. Osu is a huge rhythm beat map game that has thousands and thousands of songs and even has champion ships with prizes. and as far as i know there has been 0 issues with beat maps made from the community using licensed songs since it is the community project to make maps and at that point the songs are technically fair use as they are not used for profit but entertainment etc. But other then that Beat saber has been great game. never had any issues with and without mods not even a single crash so far. so all has been great for me.

[@zimtheailen1919]

Is there more music packs Comming?

[@PaulKellieMusic]

I really love your game, and I will continute to support you. But it makes me sad we were promised a custom level editor, and we still don't have it. But that's okay, I'm sure you are working on it. But maybe it's too tricky with copyright issues? And if so, just let us know, it's all about communication. Thanks for everything and your game is amazing!

[@nolbyceeb669]

Honestly i think i rather beatsaber without mods. On psvr i get to be excited for new songs. And am hyped when new music comes. But on pc with mods there is just an unlimited supply of music which is great for replayability but then again there is nothing to be excited about.

[@Milanv0908]

Dlc pack 2 when??? I cant wait

[@itslilac5806]

If your game doesn’t launch with the new game launcher... Delete faceit from your computer. The facit anti cheat interferes with the new beat saber mod manager. This issue affected me, and I hope it will fix the mods for you! Like so others can see

[@Dezy623]

Hey, have you guys heard of non copyrighted music? @Jaroslav Beck Maybe it's easier to get it than copyrighted material....

[@xaphok2173]

yep, like in geometry dash that uses newgrounds

[@markus1529]

Can you make a star wars song for beatsaber? That would be really cool because you are also having lightsaber with which you slice the cubes.

[@Jono997]

Are there any songs in star wars that would make for good maps? If so, there's probably a fanmade map for it already. Look on Beat Saver for it. If not, get some mapping tools, grab an mp3 and try your hand at making one yourself. Regardless, I hope you enjoy!

[@markus1529]

@@Jono997 I can't use beat saver because I play on the psvr.

[@Jono997]

@@markus1529 oh. Well, you're kinda out in the cold sorry to say.

[@OdiN-vx6sc]

just an idea but if you guys created a beat map for scattered faith that isn't fan made

[@i4u_yt458]

Beat music maker!

[@HorizonsVR]

Hi Jaroslav Beck can you please add custom songs to beat saber, so we don't have to wait for the mod to update to the latest version? Thanks

[@coolisasome1076]

The problem with mods is that they are what is considered beat saber. On KZbin I discovered the game with reality check through the skull and that causes problems.

[@Rjean-paul]

I really dont know how peppy is doing it with osu but his game is based on community maps and copyrighted music idk how hes not getting into trouble but if he can do this im sure you guys can do it too

[@VRGamingRoom]

en kısa zamanda bu işe bir sonuç getirin biz hızlandık sizler yavaş kaldınız. Bizim hızımıza uygun şarkılar gelmezse binlerce insan bu oyunu bırakacak! artık online modu devreye sokmanız ve 1 yıl oluyor artık yarışmanızı yapmanız lazım. Bu bir sporsa eğer bunun bir karşılığı olmalı. Binlerce insan multiplayer özelliğini bekliyor.

[@kiarni6105]

I just want custom games on psvr 🥺

[@Milanv0908]

My mods are breaking on my quest after ost 3... solutions?

[@Smerrkz1]

Mods on psvr maybe :)

[@Vortechtral]

People crying when a new patch comes out, cause their mods "broke" don't understand anything. Giving hate to a company for coming out with updates, even if its not a content update is even worse. Don't go crying or give negative reviews simply cause an update made your favorite mod stop working. The author of that mod will come out with a new version for their mod if they are active to make it work with the game. Stop and think rather then simply pointing fingers and blaming.

[@MemeMan42069]

I gave a negative review because their update permanently broke my game as well as my old mods because the game is literally unplayable with or without them.

[@Rawkers]

I LOVE TO SEE MY MODS OUTDATED SO MUCH

[@Kreesty]

Just integrate mod support and use the frickin Steam Workshop for custom maps, sabers, avatars etc...

[@finlaybruh]

Btw is Beat Saber for the quest have Custom songs??

[@_BLUU_]

No

[@miroslavbulldosex]

Of course not

[@CubyChrisAnimations]

Beat Saber devs have no say in that. It's a matter of whether or not it works like a pc, and if you can download stuff from browsers rather than dedicated Oculus Quest stores

[@_BLUU_]

Cuby Chris

[@supagai4700]

I WANT MEGALOVANIA IN BEAT SABER ON PLAYSTATION!!!

[@dknighter2]

I don't agree with all the negative reviews about the mods breaking but there are actual reasons to give negative reviews such as all the false promises that were made like the custom song creator and online multiplayer which is clearly being sidelined while you port the game to every platform possible.

[@Airbee]

While this is true, its a little more complicated. In another video they said for example, that the custom map creator was finished a long time ago, but the third party mod was way better than what they made already. And they didn't want to release something officially, that is worse than a third party software. I think it is important for the game to be ready at the start of other platforms, and also its a really good thing that Beat Saber is available at almost every VR Headset. It's true, those were false promises and i can understand the anger about it, but it has reasonable reasons in my opinion ^^

[@miroslavbulldosex]

I think that the bad reviews are just a consequence of the team not understanding that the mods are what this game is all about (on pc). The ranking system and the custom songs are want makes people play the game, and it's really frustrating to go back to a very poor version of the game for no reason, even if it's not their fault. Another thing is the song packs. This pack is full of overpriced bad maps, and can be interpreted as a way for the developers to make a lot of money without making a lot of efforts.

[@Jono997]

I think they do get how important mods are. That's why they added the old version back as a beta stream. It's just that these are the unfortunate consequences of early access. Code changes a lot over the course of development and this, in most cases, breaks mods and the devs have to make a choice: fix the game and let the mod developers fix their mods or leave their game with massive issues, but let the mods keep working. The devs chose the former option, then left an avenue for the mods to still work by keeping the old version up in a beta stream. Granted they only did this after recieving backlash over the mods breaking, but no doubt they've learned that they should keep legacy versions up in the future.

[@VrmastermindOffical]

Speaking of song pack #2 where is it? I heard that it was suppoes to becoming *A LOT SOONER* THAN THE FIRST ONE.

[@gabrielblackwell3432]

I want to see an AI that maps songs automatically

[@Jono997]

Translation: I don't care if maps are shit, I just care if they exist. Auto generated charts in any rhythm game is a recipe for disaster. They almost always lead to boring, generic charts that rely on the song being generically structured to create charts that fit with the song to begin with.

[@Jono997]

Yeah, for players of Eastern rhythm games, this can be a bit of a sore spot. Sorry.

[@Jono997]

I see.

[@austinsmith7820]

It looks like they are using github.com/Eusth/IPA for injecting c# dll's. I think the main issue as to why mods keep breaking when the devs modify things is because there is no actual game API instead they are probably giving the modders a reference to the UnityEngine API. This means it would be difficult for the devs to predict what parts of there project might effect what mods... then again creating an API that restricts modders has its own challenges and issues. I do want to note that this is all just a guess, I am not a modder, I just took a peak at github and read what the Illusion Plugin Architecture does.

[@HYDRAKOMIKS]

Team up with Spotify or something I want all kinds of music in the game

[@lilphredd1453]

Touch of Chaos they mentioned they looked into doing it for the psvr, but it’s not possible

[@HYDRAKOMIKS]

@@lilphredd1453 I wonder why

[@Jono997]

Because Spotify doesn't own the music on their platform. It's licensed to them, much like how the songs in the Monstercat song pack were licenced to Beat Saber. The devs don't own the songs, the own a licence to use the songs. Most licenses don't allow you to licence your licence out to other people, therefore, the devs will need to get licences from the actual songwriters and at that point, there's no point reaching an agreement with Spotify.

[@HYDRAKOMIKS]

@@Jono997 ah okay then that's what they need to do

[@Jono997]

@@HYDRAKOMIKS Well, they are doing that. The Monstercat pack exists after all. Also Pop Stars.

[@knexli9625]

I understand the point of you guys, but why don't you let like older versions available so people who want to play with the mods can still do that. Beat Saber is a game which needs the levels of other players to be interesting. If you only play the "standard" ones (including the monstercat ones), you probably get kinda bored after some hours and you want more challengeing things. I totally understand you but as I said it would be cool if there was a way to get older versions of the game or something which would make it possible to still play with mods while waiting for the mod-creators to update their mods.

[@CartaEstem]

How stupid do you have to be to modify an unifinished game and then blame the developers when it crashes or write negative reviews on steam because the mods don't work anymore after an update. Honestly, i am so mad reading these dumb negative reviews from people that have no idea of what they are talking about and ruin the reputation of this amazing game. Also it's really sad that they have to justify their actions now, which shouldn't even be necessary and have to explain that music is not for free and the cannot officially support custom songs. This is common knowledge.

[@mikVR]

Naprosto Vam rozumim, svym zpusobem vam modderi "ukradli" hru .... ale to je holt tim, ze tech songu je malo, coz sami vite. Proto jsem uvital nove a nove songy, music packy, klidne si priplatim za dalsi, cim vic tim lip.

[@Dietahvr]

One big problem with the updates for me is the release of chargeable content. For 20€ the game has way to little content. Releasing more original content for extra money feels very creedy to me. Watching the trends with microtransactions in video games makes me really mad. The only reason the game is so succesfull is the community and the people which spents hours of work on creating mods, free of charge! With such a community you could become the Minecraft of VR, but for the pc version of minecraft i just paid about 24€ and thats all. They have been releasing tons of original content and system updates for FREE during the years. I'm really pissed seeing a paywall in a 20€ game with so little original content. Thats one of the reasons EA is the most hated Publisher of all time, because they try to make extra money out of every shit. That people are mad at you is pretty normal, cause after the latest update you had only acces to the few original songs for more than a week and you see all that time the option to BUY additional songs. The game is great, but to be worth the 20€ you have to add a lot of content for free.

[@runthar2191]

The things is, most songs that will and have been added into the game are made by other people and companies. The dev's have to pay those people to use their song in Beat Saber, they can't just not charge money for those songs that they spent tons of money to license. Every now and then there will be free ones like popstars and crab rave and the other one. If they develop their game and also make new songs themselves like the original soundtrack then it would slow down development.

[@Dietahvr]

Adding Songs that you have to pay for does also slow down the development of the game. As they sad, there has to be done a lot until the game is no more early acces. So why wasting time with dlc's instead of finishing the game in the first place... I think it's a shame to charge people during the time of early acces again for more content. You can't just sell a game for 20bucks with almost no content and then charge again 13bucks for a little more content and all of that during early acces. Time will tell how thats gonna work out for them in the future. But I think that all users of other platforms than pc, that don't have acces to the mods, will very soon be pissed off by the lag of content and the expensive DLC's. And as the Steam reviews looking like, about half of the pc gamers are also really pissed about that. A map editor to create your own maps with your own music should have been something highly prioritised. I wouldn't buy the game again. Game developers main goal should be to make the best possible game they can, not to make the most possible money out of every little thing in the game.

[@runthar2191]

@@Dietahvr It doesn't slow down development, they have a separate team they've hired a long time ago to map songs. These are people that used to map modded songs. So the developers can focus on the game.

[@MrZauberwuerfel]

I understand the problem. Wouldnt sending prerelease patches to the big modders be an option to fix this?

[@Username-1289]

does this apply to PSVR???

[@Drragnorr]

ask sony. consoles are walled garden

[@Username-1289]

@@Drragnorr ok

[@JamanWerSonst]

@@Drragnorr Playing copyrighted content without a license is illegal. On PC nobody bothers, because people can get the illegal content from 3rd party sources. But if there is a closed platform like PSN or the Oculus Store, the platform holders would be reliable for any copyright infringement. I am sure Sony would love to offer PSVR players mod support, but they don't want to be sued.

[@TheSnowUse]

The nice way of saying, "We can't gouge you for DLC if you use mods". One of the best games of all time is also over if the most frustrating because the psvr version is so freaking boring now. Long as I can mod it on the quest and block updates I'll gladly buy this game for a fourth time. Charge $40 I don't care.

[@Jono997]

As someone who has developed games in the past, I can comfortably say they're not talking out of their ass about anything they said here. Depending on how much changes from update to update, mods can break. It's the developer's choice if they want to take the responsibility for keeping mod compatibility and most of the time, for good reason, they opt not to. Developing the game itself is already a big enough workload for most teams for them to not have the resources to aid the modding community. I'm with you on the DLC front though. For an early access game, that just feels really scummy, especially when compared with other rhythm games. If a song pack has a cost over $1 per song, it just feels really wrong.

[@jerrynovotnik]

I think you could communicate this better with every update that the game is in development, the code changes and a new update might break your mods until the modder releases update to the mod too. Mods play a bigger role in your game than in most others. You can state that installing non-official mods might crash the game and you have no control over that code. All of this might seem common sense for most, but 50% of population has below average intellect. You have to put disclaimers not to dry animals in microwaves, to not put plastic bags over heads and what not. I think if you communicate these things better in game (at least for duration of EA) you'll get less backlash because more people will realize it. You also make rumors and misinformation harder to spread, so people won't tell that you purposely disable mods so you can sell licensed song packs. However I'd like to see more content added into the base game for the money the game costs before you start selling DLCs - you buy the early access with notion that it's not all you are paying for and stuff will be added as the game is being developed, you expect more. You should finance the song licensing and beat-map creating from the money the game costs until you have amount of content that most people think is fair for the price. Then you will not get backlash for selling additional DLC.

[@MasTommy21]

First!

[@MasTommy21]

So i cant i add my own/custom song?? So sad... Well, i think you have to accelerate the production of music pack..

[@CubyChrisAnimations]

Welp that's how laws work.

[@miroslavbulldosex]

You can add your own custom songs if you're on pc

[@finlaybruh]

First

[@shotak5771]

I hate that I have to explain this, Beat Saber is not the ones that make the mods. Stop asking the devs to make or fix mods, they don’t make them. If you want to fix your mods use the BSMG and get your mods working. but stop complaining your mods don’t work, asking the devs for fixes to them, and review bombing the game because you can’t learn to read for 10 seconds.

[@tomwalsh2002]

Mods have to be on quest otherwise psvr users wont buy it....

[@Jono997]

Unfortunately, there's no way that'll happen because Sony hates this kinda stuff.

[@tomwalsh2002]

@@Jono997 im not saying mods on psvr im saying mods and custom songs 4 oculus quest !

[@Jono997]

"otherwise *psvr* users won't buy it" Can you see were I got the idea? I don't actually know all that much about quest. I just assumed it had something to do with Playstation due to you mentioning PSVR.

[@tomwalsh2002]

@@Jono997 no its a whole new wireless vr system !

[@Jono997]

@@tomwalsh2002 I see. Thanks for clarifying. Why mention psvr then?

[@TheFancyFilmmaker]

You say the games not finished yet u put in DLC 😒

[@MrThat0neperson]

Well yeah, they want us to have more official content. Can you imagine if they onlly left us with the original 10 songs? They can't just rely on the community to do the rest of the workfor them, it's their game and they're just doing what they can to better it. Plus, they did touch on the issues of legaity and song usage. There's only so much they can do, and on top of releasing new beat maps they also have to support the game itself as a program. It's just not that simple.

[@TheFancyFilmmaker]

Those maps should be for free, not paid DLC. If a game is incomplete why would you sell stuff for a game that’s not even done yet. This is stuff that EA or Activison would do. This is the type of stuff that’s ruining the gaming industry. The whole “fix it later let’s try and find a way to make more money.” If they added more songs in game for free more people would buy the game, that’s how you make more money when it comes to making a game. Add some free extra content to increase the popularity and value of the game.

[@MrThat0neperson]

@@TheFancyFilmmaker I don't agree simply because the maps themselves are finished and complete in their own right, not something you're paying for that's incomplete. They aren't making you pay to continue to play the game period, they're just asking you to pay for extra songs that came about later. These songs may not have even been planned to be mapped when they initially thought of, or even released, the base game. It's the same thing other rhythm games do; give you the option for more content that came after the fact for a price. If you paid for the base game before any of the free songs were released, you did so knowing full well that those were officially the only songs it had at the time, and that anything else was mods and unsupported. It would be one thing if the game had a pay wall to continue using it, but this is extra content that came after the fact. Would you rather not have the option to buy now content at all? And besides, this is all irrelevant because they're pretty much even encouraging the modders to keep up their work, which undermines even paying for most, if not all, of the DLC as pretty much every song has a custom map made by someone that you pay absolutely nothing for.

[@runthar2191]

@@TheFancyFilmmaker It costs them quite a bit of money to be allowed to use those songs in their game.

[@77soundwave77]

This comment might get deleted for whatever reason. But you do know this game got big *solely* because of mods right? Let's face it, your base songs are good for 4 hours at least give or take. The DLC pack is not really what we asked for despite it being "made by independent individual" so it's not getting the praise you'd expect. The fact that it has been a year and there is still not mod support, at the very least Steam Workshop. (I reckon they want to be fair to all platform because that's where they think the money is best gambled on) Also the ignorance of said developer to SHIFT THE WORK ONTO THE COMMUNITY WHO WORKS FOR FREE TO MAKE YOUR GAME FUN. The best they can do? They give you your old version back in the beta tab. All said and done, I'm leaving a negative review for now until this mess gets actually fixed and not shifted onto community again.

[@Jono997]

The thing is that leaving the old version up for download *is* the best that they can do. Despite how big the game has become, it is still in early access, therefore, the code can (and most often will) change a LOT. Once the complete version, 1.0, releases, there's a good chance the code will settle to be more stable, or at least not be updated as frequently, lightening the load on mod creators, but for now, big, sweeping changes coming hard and fast are to be expected for any game.

[@calokwolfable]

the music stinks i want my money back for this "game"

[@ur_round_next1216]

This is the problem with mods on rhythm games as far as PC,s go, Its bascicaly theft as your sharing a song you dont own to people..I have the PSVR version and ill keep supporting the Devs and artists by paying them for new packs...Shame on the mod community for this type of game..Please disable them doing this Beat Games if you can, Could you give you a bad name in the end

[@teri.desu.]

this only happens because the songs we want aren't in the game.

[@Jono997]

Well, this is a perspective I didn't expect to see. However, I think you are in the wrong just as much in the wrong as those who think the devs are responsible for keeping mods working. For most games on PC mods add a lot to the game and in the case of Beat Saber it's arguably the lifeblood of the game. If you took mods out of Beat Saber, the game would become stale VERY quickly as there's only a small number of songs are in the game and no matter how polished those songs are, they can only keep you going for so long. People will get bored of anything given enough time. Mods keep them coming back to the game, bolstering the player numbers. Mods actually benefit the devs for that very reason, it keeps people playing their game; gives people more reason to buy it when they realise they can play nearly any song they want. TL;DR, mods do more for the game than you think. Axing mods is going to do much more harm than good for the game.