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Modular Synth Basics #15: The cheap way into Eurorack (Modular Synths on a Budget)

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THE TUESDAY NIGHT MACHINES

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@RudefoodArchive
@RudefoodArchive 9 жыл бұрын
YOU ARE MY BEST PERSON ON KZbin RIGHT NOW I THANK YOU WITH MY HEART
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
Haha! Thanks ;) Enjoy the awesome world of modular synths!
@RudefoodArchive
@RudefoodArchive 9 жыл бұрын
:) I have a question for you. I am just about to start a modular system. I was thinking about getting the TipTopAudio 909Hats Module. I am a big fan of the 909 hihats. Do you think this is a good idea or would I be able to make similar sounds myself using other modules?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the biggest question in Eurorack-Land: "Will this module do, or are there others?" :-P Simple answer: There are always others (well, almost always). But if you want 909 Hats in your modular, then get the module. It's what it is meant to do :) Other modules might be similar or maybe even more versatile, but the TipTop drum modules sound great and do what they should do.
@RudefoodArchive
@RudefoodArchive 9 жыл бұрын
hehe ok thanks- I thought maybe I could design it in some clever way using wires going into a combinations these clever sounding 3 letter word modules :) . it seems there are not so many hats modules out there - i much prefer it to the mutant 808 sound. Its selling on eBay so I think I'm gonna go for it! Thanks for your willingness to help- really great :) And all the videos are so clear and well made- you are a great teacher!
@rmanpojo8485
@rmanpojo8485 5 жыл бұрын
My way- 1-behringer neutron 2- buy used basic units (Doepfer) (vca.mixer, enveloppe gate, vca, vco) 3- make -patch cables, (power supply), power bus-board, some patch-cables 4- buy kits (vcf and vco) 5- make some basic units,, like attenuators, mixers, multipliers
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 5 жыл бұрын
That's a great way to start and also a smooth way to get into Synth DIY (which is awesome)! Enjoy :)
@GuitarsAndSynths
@GuitarsAndSynths 4 жыл бұрын
@@tuesdaynightmachines or buy the basic Doepfer A100 system for under 2k that comes with the core modules, case/power and expansion for more.
@TheLokiBiz
@TheLokiBiz 4 жыл бұрын
Just got myself an Arturia Minibrute 2 - Am looking forward to starting this journey.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 4 жыл бұрын
Nice! Enjoy the ride =)
@mCKENIC
@mCKENIC 9 жыл бұрын
Great advice mate! One thing I would add - a nice characterful filter! Something like the Doepfer Wasp filter is very expressive and super cheap. You can use the Micro or the LFO to have some fun with cutoff & resonance!
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
Good tip! I somehow neglected to talk about filters in this video, but they are very good modules to add to a semi-modular indeed!
@vincentdanopoulos
@vincentdanopoulos 4 жыл бұрын
I have a Behringer Crave. Is that a good way to start? Great Video.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Crave would work well as a starting point too :)
@DueWhatThouWilt
@DueWhatThouWilt 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! The crave is an amazing piece especially for the price!
@caseyjholmes
@caseyjholmes 8 жыл бұрын
Have the MicroBrute already. Knew that was going to be a good purchase. Time to buy a case, baby!!
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 8 жыл бұрын
Good purchase indeed! Even since there's been a lot of new stuff since the MicroBrute was released, I still enjoy mine too! Enjoy the world of modulars then :)
@caseyjholmes
@caseyjholmes 8 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for The tips and will enjoy for sure. This hobby has been waiting for me to come along lol. I'll be referencing your videos many more times. Thanks again. Very helpful. Very glad I found these. Explained everything I was wondering no problem.
@thechannelkarkas
@thechannelkarkas 7 жыл бұрын
I would like to add there are tons of amazing DIY modules which are easy to build and can save us of money... to buy more modules ofc :))
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 7 жыл бұрын
That's true. If you have basic soldering skill you can definitely save some money, although you'll invest quite some time then. It can be lots of fun though!
@linusrastegar8482
@linusrastegar8482 9 жыл бұрын
Danke! Der Modular Synthesizer fangt bei mir schon an!
@griefytrolly
@griefytrolly 7 жыл бұрын
In german you would refer to this as a "Einstiegsdroge" :)
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 7 жыл бұрын
Indeed! :D
@austinmcrawford
@austinmcrawford 9 жыл бұрын
I knew that was what you were going to say! How about the Pittsburgh 48 case?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
I think it's too small and shallow. When you're starting out, you shouldn't limit yourself like that. Get 6U @ 84hp, with proper depth (at least 8cm) so that all kinds of modules will fit inside.
@jupitermenace9920
@jupitermenace9920 9 жыл бұрын
Great videos. You have inspired me to move in the direction of building an effects Eurorack around my MicroBrute. Now with the news of the release Minilogue and MatrixBrute I'm not so sure, being I'm very interested both of these new synths. Do you have any opinions? Thanks.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
Well, if you already have the MicroBrute then I'd just try Eurorack. A Modular will always be more flexible and customized to your needs than a prebuilt synth, although the Matrixbrute and Minilogue seem really cool too. It's just two different kinds of things and Modulars are (obviously ;-) an amazing world of gear.
@jupitermenace9920
@jupitermenace9920 9 жыл бұрын
+The Tuesday Night Machines Thanks for your input. I appreciate it!!
@jupitermenace9920
@jupitermenace9920 8 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I have another question for you. Do you think that the Pittsburgh Modular Synthesizer Box would be redundant as a starting module since I already have a MicroBrute? Just looking at all my options.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, in fact I don't like semi-modular Eurorack modules like the PM Synthbox. They're just not modular enough. Get an external Semi instead (like the MB) and then just get individual modules for VCO, VCA, Etc in your Eurorack case.
@jupitermenace9920
@jupitermenace9920 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Thank you. Clears that up for me.
@tutatis96
@tutatis96 9 жыл бұрын
i didn't get a thing: how can I listen to a modular synth? Taking the audio signal form a vca or at any point in the machine and put it in a audio interface feeding monitors/headphones is enough? Or do I need some special modules? How is the standard way to listen the audio coming from it?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
You can really just take the audio signal from anywhere you want. VCA, Mixer, VCO, Filter, etc. The audio signal can be really loud though, so having an attenuator or mixer module with a volume knob at the end of the chain is usually a good idea.
@tutatis96
@tutatis96 9 жыл бұрын
+The Tuesday Night Machines okay. thank you very much.
@rossddx
@rossddx 6 жыл бұрын
Hi! Thanks you so much for your very useful videos (and sorry for my bad english). Please, i'm very newbie: does it be a good option buying an Arturia Rack Brute as Eurorack case? Thanks in advance.
@VolcaRock
@VolcaRock 9 жыл бұрын
wow, sehr ansprechend didaktisch aufbereitet! Da bekommt man /unglücklicherweise;-) das Verlangen, ein 6 HE-Rack mit LFO's und OSC zu erwerben, zum Erweitern der Soundmöglichkeiten der vorhandenen Synths!
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
Hehe ... ja, ich kenne das Gefühl ;-)
@jenniferw8963
@jenniferw8963 8 жыл бұрын
Is the TipTIp Happy Ending compatible with Doepfer? Are they both the same bus and -12v / +12v? I have seen some that are -15v / +15v and this confuses me.. why two different voltages? I am interested in Ardcore working with Doepfer.. but the Ardcore wants +-15v not +-12v right? I am new to all this and don't own anything yet. Thinking of starting with MicroBrute and go from there.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 8 жыл бұрын
+Jennifer Gwinn Doepfer is Eurorack, as is the TipTop HE Kit. Everything "Eurorack" should be compatible and should also be 12V. I'm not aware that there are modules requiring 15V.
@marike1100
@marike1100 8 жыл бұрын
Moog Mother-32, rather than a Microbrute. Of course it's double the price, but more flexible as the Moog can be mounted into a Eurorack case or Moog sells decent sized single Eurorack cases ($99 for 60 HP, $109 for 104 HP) for adding modules to.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 8 жыл бұрын
+Markus Arike sure, while this video is about getting in there for "cheap", there are obviously lots of other options out there. The Dreadbox Erebus is also really cool, for example. I'm not sure if I'd want the Mother32 taking up space in my rack though :D
@saocir
@saocir 9 жыл бұрын
sorry for the noob question lol but what is the main difference between a vca, attenuator and mixer module.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
No worries :) ask away! A VCA is voltage controlled. A regular attenuator has to be adjusted manually with a knob. A mixer is just a bunch of attenuators which mix all their signals in the end.
@NateBelascoAKASCIF
@NateBelascoAKASCIF 9 жыл бұрын
wait so you can use a belkin headphone splitter as a multiple? there's no difference?
@devincory9695
@devincory9695 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure as I haven't tried, but I think that since headphones are stereo and eurorack is mono, they aren't compatible.
@Dgeigerd
@Dgeigerd 5 жыл бұрын
@@devincory9695 it is no difference. If the rack were stereo and the splitter mono, it would. This is just simple electronics.
@skanderbenyahia7190
@skanderbenyahia7190 9 жыл бұрын
Hi ! I am trying to get in Eurorack by buying de Moog Mother-32. What do you think about it ? Is it a good choice for a first step ? Should I buy other modules with it like it is mentioned in the video ? Thank you for all your great videos.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
+rednakS Kolleb Hi :) The Mother 32 will work just fine and it's obviously also a great sounding standalone synth. At first I'd just buy the Mother 32 and no Eurorack modules and just play with the Moog for a bit, patching it in crazy ways, etc. Then after a bit of time, think about what other functions you'd like to have on the Mother 32 (e.g. another LFO, an Effect, ...) and then start with those modules in a properly sized Eurorack case.
@skanderbenyahia7190
@skanderbenyahia7190 9 жыл бұрын
Ok, thank you very much ! :D
@rickGPT
@rickGPT 9 жыл бұрын
+The Tuesday Night Machines what great advice. I was going to buy a minilogue, but the clicking envelopes issue made me cancel it, so I looked at it as a sign to step into my other choice the moog as well maybe a pair in that desktop rack. I love the people in this community and the sound of course! Subbed!
@jenniferw8963
@jenniferw8963 8 жыл бұрын
I know how to make my own linear power supply and have made power supply board for amplifier with +- voltages. Can I just make my own power supply? Does it need to be regulated? My amp ps board isn't regulated. HOw do you regulate a negative voltage btw?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 8 жыл бұрын
+Jennifer Gwinn you should really make an account on muffwiggler and talk to the folks in the DIY sub forum there. I'm sure you'll get some good responses there :)
@jenniferw8963
@jenniferw8963 8 жыл бұрын
+The Tuesday Night Machines Yeah I did a few hours ago. :) Thanks.
@wotmate1440
@wotmate1440 9 жыл бұрын
Hello! I just got my microbrute about a month ago, and i'm looking into something else I could start saving up for... i'm thinking maybe a Korg MS20 or a doepfer Dark Energy... But i've also thought about the mother32 as something cool! What are your thoughts? P.S. I also considered getting another microbrute, because apparently there is some potential in using two together! Or a minibrute! Thanks in advance man!
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
The MS20 doesn't use 1V/Oct for pitch, so you'd need a converter from other CV gear. A second Brute is possible, but in my opinion also rather boring. Why not start a small Eurorack system? Although the Mother is definitely cool too.
@wotmate1440
@wotmate1440 9 жыл бұрын
+The Tuesday Night Machines hmmmm... Do all the parameters of the MS-20 need converting? Or does the Hz per Volt only apply to pitch CV of the oscillators/keyboard? Also, in terms of a case, would I need to purchase the full on hard travel case type thing? Or could I make do with just a 6U rack?
@ginelio_
@ginelio_ 4 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on the volca modular to get started?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 4 жыл бұрын
Haven’t really played with it, but it’s small and affordable, so why not :)
@illin1289
@illin1289 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice idea, thanks
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@setphaser
@setphaser 6 жыл бұрын
sorry to ask you for more advice, but if i make a eurorack effects unit, with just Clouds, and a filter... can i bring audio in from synths and back out to my mixer? or do i need a eurorack module just for bringing audio in and out?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 6 жыл бұрын
No problem at all! Ask away :) Yes, you can bring audio in and out straight from the modules. At least I would try that before getting dedicated input/output modules. Eurorack levels are very loud, so incoming audio might be very quiet and outgoing audio very loud. However, depending on your synths' output levels and your mixer's input attenuation it might just work fine.
@setphaser
@setphaser 6 жыл бұрын
The Tuesday Night Machines oh thank you so much. i will buy me a little case now 🙂
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 6 жыл бұрын
But not too little ;-P
@haraldsalvesen567
@haraldsalvesen567 9 жыл бұрын
Would the Arturia Minibrute work as well?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
Not as well as the MicroBrute, as the Mini doesn't have a patchbay and only the Mini SE has the cool CV/Gate sequencer from the Micro.
@BlixtenMarlowes
@BlixtenMarlowes 9 жыл бұрын
Herzlichen (Hz) Dank, Herr Synth Dr! :-D
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! When will you start your Eurorack system? ;)
@BlixtenMarlowes
@BlixtenMarlowes 9 жыл бұрын
***** When I get retired and getting bored with my stack of Nords? :-P
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
That's a good plan indeed :)
@pureeschaap
@pureeschaap 2 жыл бұрын
I do think you should all start with VCR Rack to learn and experiment, to fully understand the basics, and, after some MONTHS (patience is key!) you"ll have a far better idea of what you want to buy/create. It will save you A LOT OF MONEY and you'll win in CREATIVITY.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, VCV Rack looks great. It didn’t exist when I produced those videos many years ago and I believe some people still prefer hardware. Software has come a long way though and it great!
@kedamono2562
@kedamono2562 7 жыл бұрын
Noise Reap is good too.
@rguzman92
@rguzman92 9 жыл бұрын
do DIY kits come with transformers?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
Depends on the kit. The Doepfer DIY Kit #2 has everything incl a transformer. Other kits might not, or you might have to get all parts of the kit separately (e.g. rails, bus-system, power plug/transformer).
@rguzman92
@rguzman92 9 жыл бұрын
ahh thank you. Im new at this so i was a bit confused that there wasn't a ring core transformer on the DIY kit #1. so the external transformer would be just fine?
@brunomourao3175
@brunomourao3175 9 жыл бұрын
you forgot this: Learn how to soldering
@Zvark
@Zvark 9 жыл бұрын
I just got my Microbrute a few days ago.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
Sweet! :)
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!! Very useful!!!
@yooo2781
@yooo2781 7 жыл бұрын
How much will this be altogether?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 7 жыл бұрын
All the monies! Or less, if you buy used.
@GuitarsAndSynths
@GuitarsAndSynths 6 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention how important VCAs are!
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 6 жыл бұрын
Well, it really depends on your system and what you already have as a semi-modular synth for example :)
@paullibeskindt6942
@paullibeskindt6942 6 жыл бұрын
Thank god i invested in the microbrute :)
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is still an awesome synth to get started :)
@paullibeskindt6942
@paullibeskindt6942 6 жыл бұрын
@@tuesdaynightmachines yea, that was my intention some time ago. But now wanting to go modular, thsi little synth i a big help!
@suntzu3541
@suntzu3541 7 жыл бұрын
How much $$$ for a setup?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 7 жыл бұрын
All the $$$!!! :D
@slap_my_hand
@slap_my_hand 9 жыл бұрын
why are the cases so expensive? Usually, electric components are extremely cheap. Does the power have to be 100% clean, or does it need to do something else, that requires expensive components? I don't want to buy one, i just want to get some basic knowledge about synthesisers.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the cases aren't really that expensive at all. I built two very simple cases myself and quickly reached 350€ for all materials on the last one, without adding cost for my labor. The power supplies should be clean/stable so that you don't get interferences and stuff, but still, they're not really overly "expensive". Modular synths are also just a niche market, so there isn't a huge volume of stuff being sold, which would probably decrease overall costs.
@sebastiennesp1978
@sebastiennesp1978 8 жыл бұрын
Well, I'm staring at my Microbrute, how can I NOT make it the centre of a modular system..? Here comes years of obsession and debt. Ah, what the Hell!
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 8 жыл бұрын
+ian jones Yay!
@matrixmodulator
@matrixmodulator 9 жыл бұрын
Nice video ! There's also www.modularparts.net/ and www.modulargrid.net/ for used modules
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 9 жыл бұрын
Right! Thanks for reminding me. I keep forgetting about modulargrid's cool wish list feature.
@MrLokass
@MrLokass 8 жыл бұрын
do modules by yourself and it will be cheap ;) you can make a vco and a vcf for 10 dollars if you can harvest components and parts from trash and find good beginner sdiy electronics tutorials ..
@MrLokass
@MrLokass 8 жыл бұрын
+poka loka and wake up your builder and inventor genius ! :)
@MrLokass
@MrLokass 8 жыл бұрын
+poka loka and then, after some months you gonna be able to sell some modules you've made or invented ;) (not my case for prensent day )and make money to do more stuff and buy fantastic and expensive modules ^^
@MrLokass
@MrLokass 8 жыл бұрын
+poka loka I create a fb group for this now , from level zero in electronics to some simple (or more complex) vco, vcf, amp, reverb, drums, sequencers, etc in french and english
@MrLokass
@MrLokass 8 жыл бұрын
+poka loka facebook.com/groups/1592871671032222/
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