Mogador - Breaking Down A Replay Where I Was Accused Of Cheating

Decided to show chat something different, my own incredibly close Mogador game in Ranked, broken down and explained. The Yugumo player later accused me of cheating.
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[@Flamuu]

The message from the Yugumo after the game, a long litany of cheat accusations in russian i.imgur.com/VDWLdug.jpg Did you guys enjoy the breakdown? Should I do it more often? Discord: discord.gg/Flamu Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Insta: instagram.com/flamugram/ Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz

[@kaihoffmann3129]

Yes do this more often, maybe not specifically cheating games.

[@k.b.4057]

Yes, it's very helpful :)

[@jok9342]

Great idea and actually educational for me as a rather bad player. Would like to see more of this, preferably also with mid-tiers for those of us who have no/only a few Tier IX or X ships.

[@user-fw6vc4dv1p]

Lol that yugumo even threatening to start a criminal case

[@_the_wolff_2652]

Very helpful, thx for this video! :)

[@gee.g.3131]

Obviously I dont hit the pause button enough in my ranked games...

[@timotiusxxxful]

We dont have time to think so we can win, lets ask WeGeh to implement pause button to the game so the spreadsheet will say otherwise

[@quangvinh9688]

Play destroyer and be the last one to survive and win a game? Stop cheating Kappa

[@selectthedead]

Yes, yes, dds are supposed to die in the first 3 minutes XD

[@jtojagicc]

this madlad uses more brainpower in one match than the rest of the team in a lifetime

[@macbeth2354]

"I'm using logic and awareness and knowledge about the ships to constantly evaluate my options and take appropriate actions to have the upper hand" 'Okay so that's cheating! Hacker!'

[@Biden_is_demented]

So that´s what they call ´using OP ships´ these days? Sorry, but logic and awareness takes a back seat when a destroyer outguns a cruiser. This isn´t an example of logic, it is an example of pay-to-win and power creep. Winning a game while using an underpowered ship, that is skill, and awareness. Winning the same game with op ship is just math, because you can fuck up every decision you make and still come out on top. The numbers win every time. It´s like a Ferrari driver saying he used knowledge of the track and car mechanics to win a race against a Volkswagen.

[@herrroin6774]

@@Biden_is_demented So, you‘re saying playing Mogador, a techtree-ship, is an example of pay-to-win.

[@belgarath6508]

​@@Biden_is_demented What is your point? Mogador is a tech-tree ship, so not p2w.

[@Biden_is_demented]

@@herrroin6774 Nice of you to only focus on half of what i said. Of course, the rest of the sentence went over your head, eh? And of course, a 54kn destroyer doesn´t bother you, or that it has better guns than most cruisers. Nice to see you are so "balanced" minded. And considering that the average player may never get to unlock these ships, it is also nice of you to conveniently forget that you can buy your way up the tiers, something the average player cannot, which is the definition of pay-to-win. All in all, very nice of you. /whoooosh

[@herrroin6774]

@@Biden_is_demented Well, even a ship like Mogador that has excellent speed and good guns requires skill to play, unlike other ships (FDR f.e.) which require much less if not even none skill and knowledge of gamemechanics to score good results. Furthermore buying up the way to a certain ship doesn’t give you the skill to perform well in it. What you’re saying is that everything that can be achieved with money (not caring if it can be achieved without money) is pay-to-win. And why is the average player incapable of spending money on the game? /quityourbullshit

[@Anacronian]

The amount of calculations that goes through Flamu's head while he reads chat messages about finish reindeer sex is monumental.

[@arrivingagain4691]

I run the RPF on French dds because I cannot acquire that amount of info that Flamu did from minimap, positioning, and the direction they are going to. Learned a lot and make more of this breakdown plz.

[@1mol831]

It still good

[@pegasus.0308]

Imagine being accused of cheating in World of Warships.

[@Serezhinho]

If one always plays FDG or Midway - may be, may be... ;)

[@sukuidoardo]

there used to be some cheats back in beta like you could see where the shells will land the moment they are shot and stuff but those were long ago.

[@custommotor]

@@sukuidoardo Back in the beta though you also had a aim point that told you where to shot to hit the enemy if they continues straight.

[@thebarris7516]

@@Serezhinho pretty sure you mean FDR, but even then, even if you think CVs are broken, OP etc. how is that cheating when its "only" game mechanics

[@sukuidoardo]

@@custommotor that was a "feature" :D

[@276tank]

The amount of information you learn in this video , even as a veteran player, is astounding. Little details for strategy or pure gameplay (i.e. accelerate consumable to dodge torps)

[@FederalDechart]

Just saying that speed boost to dodge torps is a pretty normal thing and not that astounding lol. I still agree with your point tho

[@destawaits]

Agreed, incredible display of Flamu taking advantage of his knowledge on DD matchups at the beginning, though I don't play French DDs myself, as well as the speed at which he processes information and acting upon them.

[@CesarinPillinGaming]

*uses engine boost to ram as many torpedos as he can* works as intended!

[@PhantomShadow99]

To be fair for the teammate Yugumo, pinging "Get Back" to him while expecting him to just keep on going straight into the enemy's spawn and firing his back gun is pretty confusing and hilarious at the same time. Anw, an amazing win and very informational video.

[@atomicbetrayal1]

same here, he honestly should just have written in chat, that he wants him to kite until Flamu can help, he had the time to do so

[@wbfchicago]

@@atomicbetrayal1 If Flamu can write Russian ...

[@benden4235]

Same, Flamu confused him more than anything else. Too bad

[@Peniili]

Love this 'pause-and-explain' style.

[@_NguyenGiaHuy-np3ho]

Veteran: *use brain Potatoes: HACK

[@Redhead1510]

"I told him to get back, which of course means I want him to sail in a straight line" xD

[@brianj.841]

Why are there more smart players on the enemy team? RNG in real life? :)

[@vaayu5441]

Obviously the teammate follows your instruction literally when you assume they'd apply a flavour of common senset to it. When i say "i need Intel data" to my radar teammates ..they are like ..dude i am not Concealment built.

[@Korovkin_Pavel]

@@vaayu5441 Once I asked mogami to torp the smoke, he torped the smoke with our z52, not the smoke with enemy harugumo.

[@AKUJIVALDO]

@@Korovkin_Pavel damn...

[@rlidwka]

​@@vaayu5441 The common sense here is: Yugumo would be normally kiting away and shooting back guns. But since Flamu asked to "get back", it's reasonable to assume he wants something else. So Yugumo player guessed that Flamu wanted him to turn back, so they can 2v1 faster (killing enemy Yugumo faster than friendly one dies). (this is why I never react to built-in commands, even good players can issue a stupid orders that will get you killed)

[@Schmidt54]

Sun Tsu says: If you engage enemy DD and you are not targeted, there will be torpedoes.

[@gabbygr7]

"Frustrated by their inability to basically do anything right on any part of the map." Basically Flamu, they would fail even by being crash test dummies and thats the 80% of the player base in any mode

[@Korovkin_Pavel]

I have seen the bot that got kraken.

[@zzirSnipzz1]

Being accused of cheating is a huge compliment in a shit boring game like warships

[@tunemaki_izlasitrlv6835]

More this, please! There are a lot of casual players that can learn so much from these. Back when I played I used to break down my own replays and I learned a lot from them, but this style of commentary with an explanation of thought process during battle is fascinating to watch!

[@leviphillips7163]

I really enjoyed this video!! I'd love to see more of these fine detail play by plays. Explaining your logic for each step and how you were thinking helped me immensely. I was struggling with the tier seven french DD (didn't understand the play-style), but I applied what I just learned here and instantly improved my performance in that ship. I'd really love to see more videos like this. :) That was super cool. :)

[@fiesty161]

You know game mechanics others like me do not. Like when a DD smokes up to look for puffs that might indicate where the enemy DD is and may be going that is the first I have heard of that.

[@TheGrandexeno]

It's okay, after a few months of playing you take notice of it

[@xxHELLCAT32xxx]

This really was a truly excellent video. I remember you used to do a series like this and it would be really cool to see it return, especially if the quality can be kept this high.

[@Trades46]

Flamu's head has more information being processed than a modern AEGIS guided missile destroyer CIC room.

[@reyhan5324]

i absolutely love these videos. It really feels like a horsekick to my face saying "you are a massive potato". I loved the game and i had much fun with the strategy gameplay. After seeing this however, i realise that compared to Flamu, i am what a toddler is to an adult. edit: It's like Flamu is playing 5D chess while most plebs are playing Tic Tac Toe

[@vermasid14]

Genius gameplay. Your on the fly information deciphering & logical decision making is mind-blowing.

[@yulu803]

Ranked in a nutshell: everyone try their best to lose the game while expecting others to carry them

[@linkinpark12349]

This isn't stat shaming, it's animal research

[@mywinmychoice7840]

definitely make more! The breakdown was superb! Thanks for the time and effort that you put into it 🙏🙏🙏

[@williammorris584]

Teaching Flamu best Flamu. Probably the best analytical insight and most succinct commentary of any streamer/Tuber.

[@steve-wu7jp]

Flamu playing chess when everyone else playing checkers

[@IceyJones]

all your thoughts put into securing this win is just unimaginable for the casual potatoe. so using brain IS actually chating in the view of this playerbase

[@Raptor747]

In this vid: Flamu goes 1v13 in a destroyer in Ranked and wins with less than 250 health remaining while under fire from three ships.

[@marcingrzybek8516]

That is why I don't even bother myself with ranked play. I value my sanity over some pixel rewards.

[@vtr0104]

I gave up Ranked and even Randoms in favor of Co-Op. I just like the ships and the maps and don't think I should pay the price in my nerves just to get to admire them.

[@onemileperhour]

26:06 I like how when you pause the cap counter still ticks down. never change, weegee

[@Tanc-yi8rc]

Flamu thank you so much for the tips in tricks as well as very thorough explanations to your decision making it really helps.

[@Omegawerewolfx]

This is a really good breakdown video. Awesome work!

[@beachcomber2008]

Evading those torpedoes. . . there are no words. . . Thanks, anyway.

[@sambalzone94]

Accused of cheating? Ahhh this reminds me 2 years a go when I got reported for dev strike smolensk in a smoke.

[@molbar1057]

LMAO

[@thepurplesmurf]

This was the thought process of a good player. Thought process of the average WoWs potato: _wow, when i push down my index finger it goes boom in my headphones. woohoohahaha BOOM hahaha BOOM wohooo_

[@davidandmartinealbon3155]

As an average player I can 100% confirm that this is my exact thought process

[@lstierney]

We need more of this sort of "educational" content; you do it better than anyone else imo (when you're in the mood)

[@nailed2ax_126]

Should do more breakdown videos, this is great I loved it. And Kleber plus Marceau are my favorite Dads to play, absolutely great boats and smoke is for cowards, speed boost for pros 🤣❤️

[@agoogleuseranonymous2658]

Geez Flamu at 11:07 ... that was some crazy ninja viking reflex you got there.

[@siriusczech]

Well, the next yugumo torps was way to closer.

[@danh7411]

World of Warships, the thinking man's action game

[@terraformers9033]

Great video I learnt more in this than in almost all your other videos combined.

[@ASB117]

I love your detailed breakdown, you just taught me more in 30 mins than I have worked out for myself in 5 years!

[@clefsan]

it's damn impressive to me that you can analyze/keep track of/consider so many different things at once even while engaged in combat. I can see situations developing on the minimap while watching replays, I can understand the thoughts behind your decisions as you explain them, but I don't think I could do all of what you've been doing here nearly as well as you do in the heat of the moment while actually playing myself. maybe it's the severe difference in level of experience between someone who has been playing this game for hours per day for years and players who either don't have the time or the inclination to play more than a couple of hours per week (or even less).

[@guymckinnon7582]

Watching that potato fest unfold around you was hilarious

[@_ovo7577]

Awesome game!!!! I really love this kind of video.It can tell us why he/she did that action in the situation ,and I will learn about the skill and use it in the same situation future. Thank you,Flamu.Clicking''like''is the least I can do

[@_ovo7577]

I'm sorry for my worse English can't express about all what I wanna tell.Please forgive me.

[@alexlukas2817]

When i watch this i feel like it should be mandatory to watch Flamu Vids when u start playing

[@930hyde]

Love your explanation of the battles. Great vid!

[@ayylmao5416]

Me literally saying bruh to myself every couple of seconds at how much Flamu is analyzing the situation. Greatful for the insight!

[@jerryli4092]

thanks for teaching me how to strategically predict and win a game :)

[@jerryli4092]

i subbed cos of this vid XD

[@limarismenos]

Flamu: So this is an example of how you carry in a Mogador and how much thought goes into planning your moves. 99% of player base: UBLA UGGA UBLA UGGA UBLA UGGA look mommy i shoot gunz!

[@orellh.1836]

The angry Russian said this: "FOR THE USE OF FORBIDDEN MODIFICATIONS YOUR ACCOUNT AND REGULATION WILL BE BLOCKED A PROPOSAL TO INITIATE A CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS ON YOU WILL BE CONSIDERED - ON THE FACT OF FRAUD, NOT A LEGAL OFFER BY AN APPOINTMENT -GAME MASTER"

[@diegoviniciomejiaquesada4754]

As IJN DD player, I hate french DDs... I am swift, sneaky, and I have a big punch with torpedoes... But they are bold, have a lot of guns and they hit hard. I have never been able to kill a Mogador (Full HP) with Yuugumo/Akizuki/The Shiratsuyuus. (Full HP).

[@lost4356]

As IJN DD especially torpedo your purpose is spot and hunt bigger ship like Cruiser and BB not fighting with other DD also all ship you mention will never beat mogador in fair fight.

[@eiresby2344]

The reason is because French DD has something special to tanking HE (if you gunboating them with HE)

[@diegoviniciomejiaquesada4754]

@@eiresby2344 Damn... You are right. I have defeated Mogados (less than half HP) but by AP-shelling them on the broadsides, now that I remember.

[@thelvadam2884]

killing french DDs with ships from the Akizuki and higher is easy u outspot them and u get smoke so u can bait them to open fire smoke up and now u can farm them.

[@diegoviniciomejiaquesada4754]

@@thelvadam2884 WIth My Aki normally is burning them from afar because I have the skill to shoot from far away. And with the Pois is to surprise Mofo and top them from close. Like coming out from an island or torping them inside their smoke with the barrage of 16 torpedoes.

[@raw7576]

I make bad decisions sometimes because I have that stupid faith that my teammates will do the logical and smart thing.... like help a little. For instance If I was in the yugomo position I would expect you (mogodar) to help with the enemy yugomo. In reality my teammate (mogador) wouldn't do jack but try and torp the yugomo or something. I can't tell you how many times a DD could be gunned down but my teammates decide firing torps is more important.

[@amrraafat5765]

That is amaaaazing Wish there were more like buttons to hit Please, make more of that 🤩🤩

[@billymays4110]

That torpedo dodge was sick.

[@GrasshopperKelly]

To be fair to the Östergotland, he's only faster than the Alsace when she has no Philipe, or engine boost, in a straight line aware from her. Unfortunately, he needed to go South , then South East, not South West.

[@damiandorhoff719]

do not worry Flamu. I got called a cheater as well in Port after I hit the Broadside of a Stalingrad repeatedly with Citadels in a Granf Battle. Who knew that a Shikishima could citadel a Stalingrad at 15 Kilometers.

[@Rakee007SL]

Please do these more, its really interesting

[@cmdrshima504]

Thank you Flamu! Your toutorial is great for the most players... I hope all of them see your video...thank you!!!

[@ofi1238]

8:08 Schrodinger's Udaloi

[@northernzeus768]

Whenever Flamu says anything like… our Massachusetts is pushing for no reason and getting focused by 3 enemies… I immediately assume it’s me. Wtf… I’m such a potato.

[@Spitsz01]

That was simply bloody amazing!!! What a fight, what a calculation. Brilliant.

[@LakeBodomsReaper]

Being called a hacker in a competitive game is the biggest complement possible.

[@arlenn729]

This guy is legit. He just played this game wayyy to much that he knows this game so well just like how well he knows his hands. Good video as always

[@Mcbreezy_ii]

Yugumo is probably punching the air after seeing that one shell from him would have gotten you low enough for the alsace to kill you

[@guantanamoe5568]

More thought process in one game than me in my entire life.

[@TheCredibleMink]

It'd also be nice to have an option to watch the game without the pauses to watch it continuously unfold after hearing the explanation.

[@eze8970]

Thanks Flamu, great play. Sometimes I just think my team are all bots by how they play.

[@colmcorbec7031]

He's obviously cheating. He uses his brain for the entire amount of the match.

[@kaalen24]

Imagine expecting your teammates to not feed in a ranked battle. I think they are mostly shark enthusiasts.

[@professorhaaland6210]

I've seen a guy just go guns blazing on a Mogador in the first minute, enter the cap and die. No skill and just let his own team down and we overun their flank because our dd run rampant on their flank.

[@HailHydrate2]

Pretty sure the only reason the Yugumo would've accused you of cheating isn't because they thought you were aimbotting or something like that. They probably just saw that your health was effectively zero at the end of the match and assumed that was due to some kind of invunerability rather than getting lucky with the Alsace's secondaries. Really solid breakdown of how your thought process works during a match though, would appreciate something like this for Light/Heavy Cruiser and Battleship matches to help people realise if they're doing things wrong.

[@tragedyofwind]

after a year, this is still relevant, i was in a similar game, in a DD in ranked, becailly won the early game and get a lot of cap point, and then all my teammate died, and the cap points is very close nd they are flipping caps, it was 1 vs 3 too. and we lose by pts with only 12 pts different, and my last team mate is a avaition BB, I told him to use his plane to spot for our second cap, so i can reset the cap over the island cover, but he yolo in do some dmg and i can't reset the cap, if I could delay the second cap for like 10s, which i totally could, we would won that game. But wows players, and hybrid BB on top of that.

[@salmanthebestful]

this would have been so much easier if the rest of the team used like half of their non-existent brain cells

[@Grimmwoldds]

Can't be blamed for not using them if you don't have them. #RollSafe

[@masafarmi7709]

Fuck me that was better than Tokio olympics.

[@jarrodhroberson]

"saving a star" is what makes RANKED toxic. Everyone decides fuck winning, I need to save a star for myself and decides that now they need to start playing and doing damage all of a sudden.

[@DerultimateKeks]

What does saving a star mean? Don't you lose one with a defeat?

[@siriusczech]

@@DerultimateKeks not when you are first in the team

[@siriusczech]

saving a star is justifyable. TBH I would change it to 1st in losing team saves a star 2nd in losing team saves a star also if his xp are at least 85% of 1st one. last (7th) in losing team loses 2 stars instead of 1 is his base xps value is less than 60% of the 6th one. last in winning team doesn´t gain a star is his xp value is less than 50% of 6th winning player. Some justice could be done ;)

[@arrcadedus2293]

Dam got 1.3km away from the Alsace and the secondaries still kept missing

[@Poctyk]

If the last Alsace volley was AP he would've killed. But that requires -advanced haxx- mechanic knowledge in wows.

[@TheTBW1]

A perfect pattern about the ranked players...

[@Ultrakillerism]

Being accused of cheating is the best compliment one can get

[@RandomPerson-yq1qk]

In both of these scenarios "Get back" was a very ambiguous command. The first friendly Yugumo was already kiting away when you gave the order to "Get back" which he probably interpreted as "Get back in this fight with me to 2vs1 the other DD". The though process in his head was probably "I am already kiting back, why else would he tell me to "Get back"?" especially considering that he was kiting towards the enemy spawn. The second time was a similar scenario. They probably interpreted the "Get back" as a "Turn around and defend the capture point" because they were already kiting back and you spammed the command. Spamming gives a sense of urgendcy like they are doing something wrong at the moment. Your team was not great, but honestly your quick chat commands did not help at all. Especially the second time you had the time to type a better command. You have to work with the teammates that you have.

[@83cat]

Nah, I don't work with teammates, I can take over all enemies myself 90% of the time

[@harriettedaisy2233]

Of course he's cheating, the son of a gun has a Flamu attached to his keyboard.

[@ObscureDraws]

Yeah, if you aren't seethingly furious, you aren't carrying.

[@techytube7764]

Surprised flammu hasn't turned into puddle already

[@Flamuu]

My new place has AC, thank god for that, otherwise I'd straight up have to take a month off or something

[@techytube7764]

@@Flamuu I'm in Ireland atm it's 28c with no Aircon it's unbearable doesn't drop below 18c at night

[@Whalllllllllllly]

@@techytube7764 lol i wish it was 28C in my country it is always 31c in mine

[@-wealuka7367]

@@techytube7764 Honestly 28 is fine

[@myopicautisticmetal9035]

@@Flamuu I always say, it's worth the few extra dollars on the power bill to live in comfort.

[@agoogleuseranonymous2658]

This is what happens when a viking gets cornered people; a bloodbath.

[@ImRandomDude]

And these ape teammates are thinking how well they played, cause they won

[@weirjf]

If you have a 21 point captain, for your last 3 points instead of going priority target and gun-feeder, would superintendent be viable?

[@Marek1022]

:-) One of the best round I have ever seen. Great work.... ;-)

[@DeathsHood]

I don't really play competitively, and I'm *terrible* at this game, overall, but I got accused of hacking in my first match as a CV, and I only did 15k damage the entire match...

[@reftouswarships6731]

you don't push in an azuma regardless unless you have no choice you kite and he spam its azuma bread and butter

[@SillPVGaming]

I was just holding out a glass of water for you, cause you gotta had gotten thirsty at some point :) Pretty nice vid.

[@tomslittlecorner]

flamu: What to choice: Acceleration or turn radion on the equipment?

[@architsingh9861]

That's a lot of horsepower you got in your brain O,o

[@stevepeterson6070]

For me, every game somehow with matchmaker I have ALL idiots on my team, and ALL smart players on the other team. You'd think the law of averages would dictate that sometimes I'd have some of the smart players, I never do. When I kill anything less than 6 enemies myself, I get a loss. WTF is wrong with matchmaker.

[@AKUJIVALDO]

Stop killstealing and focus on shooting enemy ships.

[@Matthew10950]

Matchmaking only half works.

[@stevepeterson6070]

@@Matthew10950 Agreed, matchmaking is biased. It GUARENTEES if you have low win rate you'll never be put on a team with above average players, even if you are a very good player. It also is biased against divs of 2 people, and super biased against newer players learning the game together.

[@benden4235]

Same for me, I have to carry 90 % of my wins, otherwise it's a lose streak. I àm unfortunately not good enough to carry 11 people like Flamu did...

[@raymondperrault5821]

I was recently accused of cheating for blind-firing into smoke.

[@adityachanifindhraputra7824]

Yeah, this is the RANDOM RANKED players that don't really understand what are their ships capabilities. Misplayed and just suicide all the time because the brain stop thinking😥. Especially some people are so LAZY to read & analyze the MAP! For those who set the map in big size and always watch situation anytime. Well I'm really RESPECT! #PotatoesEverywhere By the way, Thankyou Captain Flamu for the breakdown, Well explained!👍😊

[@thomasbernecky2078]

Timer keeps counting down on the cap timer even when you pause the replay @3:51?

[@tumppu1975]

Replay system bugs have existed in this game since time immemorial. You often see guns not turned completely toward a target, but still shooting at it. People used to think that was an indication of cheating.

[@thehumus8688]

Fired CC Cheater weeb Guy :Pepehand:

[@xmlthegreat]

But how the hell did that Soyuz die to a Bismarck?!

[@clefsan]

the Soyuz-player was wearing a t-shirt with an anti-communist slogan, so Comrade Stalin cursed him :D

[@AKUJIVALDO]

@@clefsan Way less chance than potato thinking that because he supports communism he will win in Communism ship...