Twitch Fixed Everything... Almost.

[@dizzy525]

Twitch taking $25 for not renewing your contract is like my bank charging me a fee because my card declined. It makes no fucking sense

[@wow-sham1300]

I’m pretty sure its illegal because that would be like McDonald’s taking $25 because they now want all employees to wear clown shoes while working and you didn’t want to do that.

[@Zwampify]

I can not see how this is legal. This was not in the partner contract when it was signed, you can not implement new writings and terms in an existing contract without both partner accepting it to my knowledge. But I also think that no one is going to challenge this in court for $25, and twitch knows that.

[@IVIUT3D]

​@@Zwampify such a small amount it would have to be a class action to even be heard

[@petrri323]

It's so illegal. "No we're not gonna give you your full last paycheck (that you have already earned btw) because you've decided to leave our company." This is one of the most cut-and-dry class actions I've seen in a minute. It's like Twitch is a street gang, Blood in Blood out, "you wanna leave? you know we punish for that..."

[@nine9nine9]

Definitely illegal to enforce in existing contracts. However, they'll probably start adding this clause in new contract, and what can people do? Nothing.

[@Meank_King]

Twitch as a company is like a giant game of jenga seeing how little they can give creators without collapsing

[@nychris2258]

Twitch loses massive amounts of money

[@WW_Studios]

He needs to pin this... LOL

[@ArchieZeroOne]

@@nychris2258 Yes because Amazon runs it that way, deliberately. No amount of fucking over creators is going to recoup the massive losses they take by providing twitch primes. Even attempting to use it as a lead in to people spending money makes little sense since it's biggest competition already provides a free service (KZbin).

[@nychris2258]

@@ArchieZeroOne The prime subscriptions are the charity. If it wasnt for Zoomers using their mom's Amazon Prime accounts these streamers would have 1/3 the number of subs.

[@ArchieZeroOne]

@@nychris2258 What does that have to do with what I said? lol

[@shottyjonny3972]

It really is so interesting to see a company that provides something so many people love to be so incapable of being loved

[@gdfyredragan2270]

Nintendo is like this as well

[@sterloin]

Twitch doesn’t provide anything. The creators do

[@Grovic93]

@@sterloin ​ twitch very much provides and hosts a service that allows those creators to create. Without a place to stream many of those creators would just be living in their parents basements working in fast food.

[@AwesomeNuke]

@@sterloin I hate Twitch, but this is just an ignorant comment lol

[@mt2r-music]

Nintendo type beat

[@Phosypha]

Watching Twitch cannibalize itself has been a weird experience

[@arimatthews2906]

Ludwig doubling down on advertising joycon drift is so funny to me

[@haunter64]

Everyone should do, tbh

[@Heightren]

The Mario party speedrun probably fucked his really hard

[@ZoeEvelynHart]

Ayo, girl. I heard you got that good joycon drift!

[@door4281]

lud...wig? weird name unlike this mogul mail guy now HES cool

[@Ridlay_]

Fr

[@MrJethroha]

This is going to be just like Netflix rolling out their ban on password sharing, then backtracking, then going forward with it anyways.

[@lh.5]

Twitch is going to fuck around and find out like Netflix is too. It’s definitely a way to become very hated quickly 😭

[@duhneez2068]

Wait they’re still seriously doing that?? U know when Netflix is going to enforce it?

[@Chris-de2qc]

Netflix is already successful. Their subscription has grown and the stock is up. It's all about testing the market reaction with something extreme, taking it back, then rolling it out again but now it's older news.

[@nicorobin5978]

Twitch is pretty good at squandering their near monopoly on streaming. Doubt they'll be around in ten years.

[@meiaio]

@Моriаh ЕIizаbеth shorts 🅥 says a bot

[@fujster]

bruv is dumb

[@name8329]

​@@meiaio replying to bots. Nice

[@meiaio]

@@name8329 that's the whole point

[@BugCatcherGwen]

@@name8329 It helps show people that it is a bot. Not everyone is as literate with the internet/youtube as others.

[@EddieTheBunny]

Getting noticed on twitch is already the most impossible uphill battle for small streamers. I hope twitch is content with just turning into an OTK and may a few other people website. There is no reason for anyone new to put their time and effort into Twitch. Everything is against them and they are given absolutely zero benefit. Other platforms will likely spark a new livestreaming scene with all new faces. Give it a few years, Twitch will be gone.

[@stratosphere2323]

Without the pandemic, Twitch would very likely have been shutdown years ago

[@HIIMROSS777]

FR, it's almost impossible for small streamers to grow on twitch which is why most small streamers use YT and TikTok to advertise, many of said streamers would also simulcast to many platforms in order to build as large of an audience as possible. No clue why Twitch feels the need to kick people who don't even make money on Twitch off there platform but its definitely not gonna work out for them seeing as how its significantly easier to grow as a CC on a website like YT where you can have all your content in 1 place.

[@TheGuiltsOfUs]

lol good one

[@davidmdertu1267]

I mean I can see where the thinking is for twitch. Small streamers with their main base elsewhere take viewers off twitch and towards their main base on another site. Thereby costing twitch site traffic. But the streamers are so small I highly doubt it makes a difference to twitch anyway.

[@AJvsEverything]

There was a LOT of Affiliates that filed to cancel their contracts yesterday and today...as of 9am this morning I'm no longer a Twitch Affiliate, because their policy was going to require me to stream AND meet the minimum payout threshold, or my account would be terminated and I'd be charged $25...they tried to put a gun to our heads and we just took the bullets out and told them to go mug someone else...

[@jabbawookeez01]

like half the people i follow all are saying they probably moving exclusively to youtube streaming. 🤣

[@Yohahn]

Yeah.. if I were streaming I would switch also. No discoverability on twitch and they are by far the worst streaming company to partner up with. They act like KZbin did before KZbin realized that creators don't like their money taken away from them.

[@Pwnopolis]

@@Arceve their bots my guy

[@CatWith-AHat]

​@@Arceve it's a bot they aren't reading your reply.

[@LyraPyxisVT]

@@jabbawookeez01 only one streamer i know said he was gonna stop using twitch yesterday, everyone else i know which is ethan nestor, entoan, wade, sweet anita, danny, boze, reekid, shyliliy, lance, codee, ironmouse, f1nn, and connor as far to my knowledge havent said they were going to leave, but they also post youtube videos and can take that hit and not phase them, the only one that i watch leaving is kenji cause he is a small streamer still, so it'll hurt him alot so im assuming he is moving solely onto kick only

[@--_DJ_--]

Those first few lines are even more maddening than them putting in the restrictions in the first place. "We know how important it is, but were willing to take it away from you until it became apparent that might backfire in a spectacular way"

[@RoboRebellionStudios]

The problem is that people know Twitch's true motives. Sure a lot of people already knew, but damage seems to already to be done. You can't unshoot streamers in the foot

[@Freezone7]

they are after the sponsorship money from streamers

[@the_fenix_3247]

I would say, It's hard to make someone forget that you pointed a gun at them, since in this case the update wasn't released so twitch didn't "shoot" someone in the foot but the creators did see the inside of the barrel.

[@Apple_Beshy]

It's a trick that company uses announced a super bad changes and after the backlash they will have achieve their true goal and announced a lesser bad changes, so people will think that that's not so bad compared to the first one.

[@nychris2258]

Whats thier motivation? To actually turn a profit? God forbid. Twitch loses massive amounts of money. Its basically a charity for Zoomers sponsored by Amazon.

[@_holy__ghost]

@@nychris2258 sucks to be them. maybe they should have multiple ways of acquiring money instead of just subs and donations (which arent even that appealing from a customer standpoint) instead of trying to bleed their own content creators dry

[@Hunter_Kennedy1]

I swear twitch just needs a TOS for streamers and then a separate one for agencies and sponsors so this shit is clear as day and not misinterpreted

[@Sevem7m]

Never forget that Twitch still WANTED to implement those rules, they just would lose too much talent doing so and reverted just to third party automatic ads or whatever. They prob still want to and will prob try again in the future to implement all these in smaller segments or something. What they posted yesterday IS what they want - they just aren't able to do it currently

[@nychris2258]

Twitch loses money. Its basically a charity for Zoomers pretending to have jobs.

[@Firsona]

They did still implement those rules. Just in a quieter way that alludes to them not applying them evenly across the platform

[@iKSmurf]

I think the goal was to implement it, say they removed it and keep them there.

[@Sevem7m]

@@Firsona I meant in regards to no banner ads, 3% screen space logos, etc. They wanted to do those it wasn't a mistake and wasn't misconstrued. If they could have, they would have stayed with all of that.

[@diox8tony]

"Contract" where they can demand you agree to a new contract, and if you say no, they can delete the contract and charge you $25....That's not a Contract, that's a user agreement. One Side has the power.

[@carrieullrich5059]

That's what I was wondering about. In normal contracts you can't change the terms mid contract, and demand more than what was originally agreed to... Definitely a consult your lawyer moment.

[@sapinballwizard]

I think they absolutely planned on walking things back, waiting for the furor to die down, then do it anyway in the future. Normal websites do the same thing, a scummy site like Twitch absolutely would.

[@TheFreeBro]

Why do you want streamers to play more ads?

[@rasmachris94]

Yep, either this was a horrendously played out business tactic where you make an absurd offer and then haggle down to a reasonable one so that the offer your presenting that you actually wanted is more palatable. Or, they're gonna try boiling the frog and add things over time to get there anyways.

[@Noseihtam266]

​@@TheFreeBrobecause streamers being able to afford to make cool content for me for free is worth a couple 30 second hello fresh adverts

[@YoStYtOaStY100]

​@@TheFreeBro Because its better than tha garbage ads every 2.30 minutes in any other mainstream media.

[@TheSylveonSurfer]

@@TheFreeBro No one wants more ads. They want the streamer to be able to actually have the freedom to use their own sponsors, so that they can make a living, so they can continue to make more content. Twitch's proposed ToS changes would cripple their ability to do so massively.

[@qugo8158]

It's typical corporate. Announce something very drastic, get lots of hate, fall back on it and apologize, get the good pr from all the idiots who suddenly regard the company much better now, and slowly work it in with that good favor. Seriously, we need to stop falling for it. This shit happens all the damn time. This was Twitch testing the waters, now with this and the praises for making a good turnaround, they'll do something else or retry at a different time.

[@mag_vii]

anyone who is saying that this is a W is giving twitch too much credit, this is literally a "we told you so" moment

[@FabricateFrog]

yeah there is no W here its still a massive L. These streamers have stockholm syndrome and its sad. No backbones

[@xClarky_]

This is a massive L from Twitch again, people need to boycott them

[@goon009]

Fun fact they still haven't changed the TOs on the website

[@Leviatiemily]

Still starts with a w 😂😂

[@Leviatiemily]

​@@xClarky_yeeeeah. I don't think I'm going back. But I've been too agro with my beliefs on here so prolly can't/won't start streaming through KZbin.

[@treektheneet]

The fact that it got to the point of people having to actually consider leaving at all is a good enough reason to pack up and find another platform like KZbin or Rumble. Staying only really invites more abuse later down the line.

[@gamedude412]

The fact that twitch is a blind man in a minefield and cant seem to stop walking for years now is incredible

[@sebas31415]

I love that analogy

[@gigitrix]

Grabbing the 25 bucks while slamming the door in your face is certainly a decision

[@blissfulhydra4399]

This is why you cash out and stop streaming, once it's gone there's nothing for them to take.

[@Patrick-oz6or]

for the people who made the graphic I think the graphic looks so good

[@Boggin_]

Twitch community should try doing what Reddit is doing in response to changes, everyone blacks out for a few days. It'd be really hard to get every big streamer to do that though

[@An_Average_Idiot]

It would be hard to get enough small streamers to do that as well....

[@ratterkin]

is this the protest against 3rd party thingy? cuz r/incrementalgames also support this movement

[@Boggin_]

@@ratterkin yeah basically all of Reddit is doing it, a ton of people use 3rd Party apps since the native one sucks

[@Boggin_]

@Cumdripper I knew they existed, but I've always used the native one

[@bobhurren7381]

Twitch has the opportunity to do the funniest stream of all time

[@IAmWarden.]

Bots on something today!

[@Numbskulli]

Oh my god 5 bots

[@omard1073]

I'm a little slow, what stream is that exactly?

[@manly.mcbeefington]

@@ChrisShafferOfficial die

[@robobo1726]

NL reference?

[@lciav]

I don’t trust twitch after this. They’ll probably just get smarter about implementing these changes in more subtle ways.

[@stevie1da_]

About the cannabis thing, in the United States, cannabis isn't federally regulated (yet), so the laws vary from state to state. That may change if we get federal regulation. Also, since Twitch is available globally, cannabis is illegal in many countries, so allowing cannabis promotion may get twitch banned/fined/or regulated in those countries.

[@KingMephisto9514]

Also lud is wrong on it being about advertising in that space. It’s saying you can do drunk streams but not sponsored alcohol streams. And you straight up can’t wave guns or drugs or weed.

[@TheFreckelz]

This whole situation is very similar to the Dungeons & Dragons drama a few months back. WotC backpedaled but still tried to get away with their money-hungry schemes on the low key. Thankfully the community there wasn't having it and eventually they fully backed down... for now. These companies are so greedy.

[@Abyssionknight]

Didn't they also add in a part where you have to consistently engage with your twitch chat audience / stream regularly or they'll revoke your partnership/affiliate status (and take that $25 from you). And the messed up part is that they don't ever specify what consistent content or audience interaction is.

[@JeffJK000]

Twitch: Punches you in the face full force, leaving a scar. Also Twitch: "It was only a joke".

[@FA_C0N]

Also Also Twitch: that will be 25$ for the bandage

[@kajamatousek247]

"The twitch staff cries out in pain as they strike you"

[@aschles503]

Goddamnit Twitch. So close. The new rule on Simulcasting you talk about it is so, so scummy. The conspiratorial part of me wants to believe that they planned on walking back their original goals because they wanted to sneak in this new rule about Simulcasting. But that's my tinfoil hat.

[@pianopiano3037]

It makes sense for twitch to not want people pulling viewers away from their website.

[@Gravyandtatoes]

They also changed payment times to every 45 days I think it was. Perhaps sneaking that in too.

[@theneekofficial8829]

@@pianopiano3037Except it’s not really. the people watching on other platforms likely aren’t watching twitch for a reason. What they’re really doing is losing ad views, from people who wanna watch that streamer on twitch but can’t be assed to go elsewhere to watch them, or just found them on twitch and so wanna keep following them there or whatever, but since now the streamer likely isn’t gonna pick twitch to stream their shit because twitch is so terrible to grow on, they won’t watch the ads that they would’ve otherwise watched

[@KGUYDOG]

Mogul Mail doing this video while that one hair constantly jabbed him in the eyeball shows his level of commitment and professionalism.

[@bigus_brainus]

There is no reality where Twitch will fix everything or anything at all, just the harsh truth

[@ChrisShafferOfficial]

Tʜɪs ᴠɪᴅᴇᴏ ɪs ɢᴀʀʙᴀɢᴇ! Sᴜᴘᴏʀᴛ ᴍᴀᴘ ᴘʀɪᴅᴇ ᴀɴᴅ ᴀʙᴜsᴇ ᴀɴɪᴍᴀʟs ʙᴇᴄᴀᴜsᴇ ɪ ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ʙᴇᴛᴛᴇʀ ᴄᴏɴᴛᴇɴᴛ 🎉..,.,.,. ..

[@TheFreeBro]

Yeah they won’t let streamers give us more ads. BOOOO!

[@fnutek3720]

​@@TheFreeBro bro dont even know what this is about.

[@ErrorOfRutoYT]

The hit on multi-streaming also significantly hit the dragon quest community. Most of the DQ streamers are in japan and primarily stream on Nico, but would also stream to twitch so that they could actually have a western audience.

[@Rhapsdos]

Anyone who is streaming on Twitch should definitely be considering alternatives. I don't see Twitch stopping to push for worse and worse contracts for streamers anytime soon.

[@tonjolley6422]

Companies are doing this more often. Do the worst thing possible, and then back peddle, but not fully. So the end goal is they take some heat, but some people that would have been upset with the initial change are placated enough to not stir up trouble. I don't want KZbin to be a streaming monopoly, but twitch has been anti-streamer for a long time now.

[@metsfanalex]

Twitch is very carefully trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes by giving a bit and taking a lot.

[@Bauldi]

This whole situation made me jump ship because I felt I couldn't trust the company. This right here confirmed it. What a show what a shoooow.

[@dxaisy]

Mogul mail gives us content Ludwig could never dream of creating

[@shoes4clues955]

i'd guess the reason why cannibis sponsors aren't allowed is because it's still illegal in some states

[@azemoth8122]

And in most countries since twitch isn't only for america

[@boggersegg6237]

twitch deserves a Guinness world record and a noble peace prize for almost fixing something. This is a once in a lifetime moment

[@Pwnopolis]

Did you watch the whole video?

[@highdefinition450]

we shouldn't reward the bare minimum lol, this is bad for their profits

[@AwesomeNuke]

They literally didn't change anything compared to last night.. They just moved the news to a different place.. where people don't really look lol The exact same things are still going to happen July 1st

[@hasssan88]

They honestly deserve nothing without the backlash they received this will still be there. They are just trying to save themselves

[@noisepollution4473]

"Hey you signed a contract with us because a contract means that the conditions won't change? Well we're changing the conditions and if you don't like it you owe us 25$" insane

[@fernandolemus5965]

Twitch really pulled an Onlyfans 💀💀

[@AgentAngus]

If they wanted to allow cannabis ads they would have to ban streams with those ads in countries where advertising illegal drugs is not allowed, it's much easier to just ban the ads on their platform all together.

[@Augustp08]

Twitch is training for Olympic backpedaling

[@that0nebiscit324]

Cannabis one still makes sense seeing as its not legal in all of America while you can drink anywhere when over 21

[@Kikokiki_tt]

"Simulcasting is a method of transmission that saves broadcasters time and money by allowing them to share audio and video through multiple channels simultaneously. Originally, this helped broadcasters air programs on television and radio concurrently, but today it applies to online streaming media as well". So content is simultaneously broadcast on more than one medium.

[@spoodermun1722]

Twitch wanted advertisers to go through the ad process with them instead of directly to the content creator to make money on it

[@mgen278]

I think Charlie’s theory is the one to look for. He thinks Twitch is doing this so streamers will have to get their sponsorship’s through Twitch’s marketing so they get a cut. It’s forcing streamers to do everything in the Twitch ecosystem, according to Charlie. Sounds plausible

[@goateeguy11221122]

What it seems like they've incentivized is for creators to continue simulcasting anyway up until the point that Twitch starts enforcing TOS, at which point those users will just leave Twitch. What leverage does Twitch have over streamers that aren't on their payroll anyway? The rule they're trying to enforce is effectively banning the user from using their platform anyway, and banning the user is the most they can possibly do to enforce the rule.

[@Duck_side]

The reason twitch doesn't want you streaming to other services even if you're not making money on twitch is because if you are not affiliated or partnered, they can't play ads on your stream which means no money for them. But it still costs them money to host your stream, so if your streams entire purpose is to drive viewership to a rival platform and its at Twitch's expense, it makes perfect sense why they don't want people doing it.

[@carrieullrich5059]

Then they shouldn't have forbid people from earning revenue on their site in order to multi stream... By attempting to block all other services by punishing creators, they're driving creators away.

[@Duckman1616]

The multistreaming restriction may not actually be legal, though I doubt anyone would be willing to challenge Amazon on it.

[@blairbird8022]

Lud's a pro salesperson. Now I want a Nintendo Joycon with Drift.

[@eppielicious]

it doesn't matter whether they plan to enforce it or not, we shouldn't allow these types of things in terms of service that they can just spring out whenever they want

[@ragnr5761]

i can just imagine the people who made the art being like, "this is the most ridiculous thing people are going to be upset. lets make graphics so painfully obvious twitch's raw greed will be right out in the open." and it fucking worked!

[@lyoozero]

I think the TOS update is actually 100% clear to target the type of ad services that was mentioned. It literally says "you may not, nor may you allow a THIRD PARTY". It's clearly trying to target external ad services and not sponsorships. If the streamers themselves purposely insert any form of ads it would not be considered a violation.

[@Minizemful]

That is literally what third party means.

[@javanrowe3579]

At some point the instability of Twitch’s decision making is gonna be enough for people to leave

[@CharlesFreck]

1:33 international audience and laws. Twitch operates offices in countries where cannabis is illegal. Those countries will not allow them to operate if they allow it

[@beristainbear3924]

Thanking twitch for not doing something absolutely stupid just shows how low we think it is 😂, it’s like catching a guy cheating but then thanking him for not going all the way.

[@christiankoppang8296]

The alcohol sponsorship is because it is legal across the US, but weed is illegal in the US and is only allowed if it’s done within a state, as long as it stays within a state it’s okay but if it crosses state lines that’s a huge issue and probably is not a can of worms that twitch wants to deal with

[@Sybato]

I think the only other similar way to cultivate a multi-platform audience (as with simulcasting) is to stream on Twitch and then upload the Vod (edited or raw) to KZbin, then you hit the stream audience and the Vod watchers who can't catch streams due to other obligations or preference. But the payout probably isn't as much and it requires more work to edit or set aside an upload schedule.

[@NocMemes]

I do this and it takes up a lot of time I have to spend a day not streaming just for the KZbin bc I don't have all day to do both

[@cephalonwolf8422]

Tomato Gaming does this with a friend that takes care of editing and uploading the Vods to KZbin for a cut of the revenue.

[@Brian-dd2df]

It’s one of those zits that you pop but didn’t get enough out so it scabs over and still hurts until you’re brave enough to pick off the scab and try again.

[@GothamChess]

I like your facial hair

[@Firestxr]

A fan of the stache I see

[@cowfreezy]

It's okay to have an alcohol sponsor because it is approved in all 50 states. Cannabis however is legalize on the state level, but even then, it is not federally legal, such a weird situation. Then on top of that, if they were to federally legalize cannabis, government employees, 1st responders and jobs of the sort would still not allow their employees to partake in it, but they sure could drink alcohol. So for sponsor sake, they would want people having sponsors that would qualify the masses, not having any legality issues in states that don't have it legalized yet.

[@markittystuff]

Ludwig asking the real questions with "Why is it okay to have an alcohol sponsor but not a cannabis sponsor?"

[@WorldEaterZero]

That pimple analogy was perfect. Also the sneaky joycon drift shade

[@jameslawson1952]

Your voice of reason is so needed in the world right now, big respect for what you do 👍

[@TheElectricRaichu]

I got 3 notifications 2 days ago when this all happened and it was an update to the affiliate program (maybe the same as the partner contract?), the branded content stuff, and the TOS stuff (probably the simulcast stuff when I checked twitter after getting the notification). I mentioned it on the last video, but I noticed the Simulcasting via a small tweet with someone pointing it out. Very worrying for smaller streamers. This whole Twitch fiasco makes becoming a Partner much less appealing to other streamers.

[@MVIVN]

It would be SO easy for Twitch to kill most of their competitors overnight if they just made a few very good decisions (like fix the revenue split and completely walk back a lot of these recent changes they are making). They can make their competitors irrelevant very quickly, but they seem incapable of making good decisions.

[@raiguard]

Because making those decisions wouldn't be as short-term profitable. Unfortunately, the job of companies is to make money, not make their users happy.

[@pyramear5414]

At this point they have burned a lot of bridges. It will take a lot (other other platforms getting even worse) to bring people back anytime soon.

[@leeboonkang2]

Its impossible for twitch to kill off their competitors, mainly due to those competitors(mainly youtube and facebook) are doing streaming as a side thing, its never their main service. So even if it flops or have negative profit, their main service(youtube being a video platform and facebook being a social media) will keep them in the game regardless. But thats not the case for twitch. Twitch main thing IS streaming, if they flops on that, they are probably dead. Also, the last few years, youtube streaming has been growing immensely, either from within or from poaching other streamers from twitch but twitch doesnt seems to be doing any better, maybe even doing worst since the covid situation has die down.

[@JadeRavenn]

if youtube just gave streaming some of the basic features that twitch has (and maybe a form of monetization for smaller creators akin to affiliate) I think so many would swap, and pretty much everyone just starting would start with YT. But as it stands, no I don't really want to be associated with kick or rumble, other options are miniscule jokes atm. Twitch doesn't have to be better right now because it's competition sucks

[@MVIVN]

@@JadeRavenn I feel you, and I agree completely. Even without adding a huge amount of features, if they can at least make it easy to browse live streams that would be a good start. Right now there's no straightforward way to browse live streams without basically having to drill down into several menus, which makes discoverability very hard if your KZbin channel doesn't already have a lot of subs.

[@nick.100]

I feel like twitch should say they will go after advertisers who are deliberately trying to cut twitch out of the deal meaning companies can sponsor a couple streamers for direct demographics but if they attempt to throw a vast net of streamers to save money by cutting them out they will then take action

[@gigachad2177]

Always relied on you for information on media, thank you Ludwig

[@BltEnthusiast]

Just from the intro you can tell he hasn’t forgotten about sniper get down

[@Owlly477]

Ludwig is doing so much for the Nintendo Joycons with draft community right now

[@nimeesha4388]

“book closed but maybe keep the bookmark there” is such a good quote

[@Adurite]

if twitch fixes all of its problems, streaming platforms like kick and rumble would fall off so fast 😭

[@davii_ms]

0:00 WTF was that comparison... on point

[@IAmFromTheYear]

It's only a matter of time. *ALL* sponsorships on Twitch and KZbin will be subject to the platform and they will take a cut. Because of course they will.

[@fedweezy4976]

I don't think so. There's a reason these sponsorships don't involve KZbin or twitch and that's because it makes no logistical sense for anyone at all. Sponsored segments usually require the video to be passed back and forth between the creator and the sponsor until they both like the ad read and the video it is placed in. This amount of communication is good when it's done between many different individuals talking to each other. However, there is no feasible (and more importantly, profitable) way for a middleman like KZbin to handle that kind of complex communication between the sponsors and creators. Even if they could, there would be no incentive for advertisers to pay more for less control over their sponsorship campaign. It just doesn't make any sense to do something like that when you could just pay creators less (by reducing the amount of ad revenue they get) and let sponsorships essentially subsidize their salaries instead (which is what KZbin is currently doing)

[@Real.eKolin]

@@fedweezy4976 Not really the point. If advertisers wish to put an ad on specific youtube channels - they can. KZbins end goal is to completely kill adblock. The reason why twitch wants to control twitch sponsors is because their current ad system has no targeting features while youtube aka google is the best in the world which lets them to charge much more per identical ad spot than what twitch could ever ask for.

[@fedweezy4976]

@@Real.eKolin that still doesn't get to how a service like this would even work. How would a twitch based advertising structure handle sponsored events (like Ludwig's chessboxing stream), the level of control and specificity that advertising agencies want with who they sponsor and how their ad reads are done and many other requirements that both advertisers and creators need from a sponsorship deal. Also, a sponsorship infrastructure like this would cost more for both creators *and* advertisers compared to the current system, so there is no guarantee sponsors would even sign on for it. The reason KZbin and twitch run ad infrastructure instead of letting it be handled by individual creators is bc it is much easier for a large business like twitch to negotiate an advertising contract with a large company than it is for a creator, and ads are generally less targeted than sponsorship segments or banners.

[@IAmFromTheYear]

@@fedweezy4976 Wow okay... let me break it down for you. KZbin and Twitch provide expensive infrastructure. Infrastructure that is *FREE* to everyone. If sponsorship deals are happening that utilise their infrastructure and they don't see a penny of it because certain deals are negotiated independently whilst still using their infrastructure... you don't see how that is problematic? I'll give you an example. Say you own a market. Any kind of market. If lucrative deals are going down in your market and you don't see any of the profit, then you're dumb. It's that simple. If KZbin and Twitch charged for their service then I wouldn't agree, but they don't. KZbin and Twitch are free and they rely on ad revenue. I could literally write an essay on how Twitch and KZbin could and should take a cut. This isn't a case of should I? It's a case of why wouldn't I? There are so many reasons why sponsorship curation should happen and the only reason against it is "No... don't do that because... my money... that I earn from the system you provide... that I don't want you to take a cut from... because reasons..." This isn't exploitation. This isn't microtransactions or NFTs that warrant legitimate criticism. This is a platform providing a service that wants a cut of the business they are facilitating. Every content creator is going to complain (and they are... I've seen so many 'Twitch is destroying themself' videos) but it makes perfect sense for platforms to take control of sponsorships on so many levels. Literally, the only argument on the side of content creators is "hey, let me conduct business independently in your own back yard and give you none of the profits." It's not gonna happen. Eventually, all business will be curated by the platform. It's obvious.

[@fedweezy4976]

@@IAmFromTheYear except neither creators or advertisers would ever agree to that system, and it would cost KZbin more in the long run than the current system. It would essentially be a tax on sponsorships, and no matter who has to pay that fee, the tax burden will fall on both advertisers and creators (if creators have to pay then they will demand higher prices from sponsors, if sponsors have to pay then they will pay creators less). Second, a market can organize all of the purchasing decisions that the hundreds of thousands of individual sponsors and creators make much more efficiently than a KZbin or twitch controlled infrastructure ever could, that's what markets do best. Third, KZbin does make a lot of money from sponsorships indirectly, much more than they could make directly (this is why KZbin is providing sponsorship disclosure tools to creators even though they don't make a dime off of the sponsor money). Sponsorships allow KZbin to pay independent creators less (think copyright strikes) because KZbinrs make money through sponsorships. I'm not saying it would be immoral for KZbin or twitch to take a cut of sponsorships, I'm saying it's a bad business move and an even worse pr move. Also, sponsorship money increases incentives for creators to go full time, taking a cut of that would actually decrease the amount of content that gets produced, like Lud said, many full time creators are just getting by.

[@rayoubsk366]

Twitch release of the new rules the 1st time wasn t a mistake . it s mental manipulation where you present someone with a really bad thing but then you change it to a relatively better thing (which is still not good) and people will start thinking : oh it s not that bad compared to before.

[@Dragonflies2468]

thank you for updating us ludwig, best news youtuber I will ever listen to

[@awensmusings]

They are also saying that affiliates need to have "consistent content" without clarifying what exactly they mean by that. Which is really frustrating for folks who's full time jobs have hours that move around, or are unable to stream for a while, cause now there is a seemingly high chance that twitch will terminate the affiliate status, which then the person has to pay for. Oh, and they want streamers to reply to viewers via twitch chat instead of just out loud. Kinda hard to do while gaming or doing a cooking stream if you ask me.

[@Kitsune113]

Oh yeah baby, mogul mail. Thank you Lud

[@unfairbullet]

whos Lud?

[@nick.100]

Twitches problem is they a set line where they actually want things to be but phrase it in a more broader way to test the community’s reaction because a good reaction means they get more than they were attempting and a bad reaction only puts them back to where they were looking to be. That mindset can only put them in a bad image to the community though. They will scrape every penny from the barrels they have but it will cause friction and spark to the woods that could have been

[@Sw4lley]

Blocking you from using other platforms might be seen as anti-competitive behaviour. I wonder if they can even stand on that in a european court. Especially since they are the market leader, probably depends on how many users in the european union they have, since thats the number that changes everything now with the DMA and DSA.

[@gregothy9190]

??? I don't see it

[@TemphinFD]

I think it is more so people aren't using twitch without trying to make money on and for twitch. I am assuming their intent is to make people think they need twitch more than the other sites and monetize there instead. Although paired with the monetization cuts it doesn't seem to be the best decision.

[@diablotry5154]

​@@gregothy9190 Twitch are forcing people to only use their platform and nothing else when streaming

[@darnarxz]

The simulcast thing makes perfect sense tbh

[@209Diskence]

If I was a streamer, it'd be time to start thinking about moving to a new platform seriously. Yes, they changed and took back what they were going to do, but you already know that they will try again in a few month or just implement these slowly one by one.

[@burbchick7592]

the reason you can have an alcohol sponsor and not a cannabis sponsor is so they don't have to filter streams for countries that don't allow cannabis advertisements. for example here in Australia cannabis isn't legal in certain states and therefor cannot be advertised, so if those sponsors were allowed they would lose viewership from a bunch of countries.

[@jjjdilla]

Watching companies constantly mess up, pander, and/or sellout and then try to half-ass redeem themselves is just a part of american life at this point. It’s sad how predictable the timeline of every company is.

[@GearsDatapacks]

I think this is something you can never fully recover from, even if you revert all you changes. Someone will always remember what twitch did

[@skifzz1]

No

[@skifzz1]

@DMONEYINDUSTRY ratio

[@Nearo92]

I like that twitch atleast got Ninja so worked up that he fixed his hair during his rant

[@urke5895]

It took them getting shit on, by literally everybody, to realize how fucked the idea was. Brilliant 😂

[@1bluebirdz]

Look, The Best Part about Twitch is when the creator upload their streams to KZbin, where I can play them back at 1.5x speed or skip long parts of boring.

[@evanmorrison3232]

Simply because canibus isnt legal everywhere. Thats a problem with being across the nation and/or internstional.

[@BringBackFun]

The part that I don't get is how it's legal for them to tell me what I can and can't do with my internet connection. If I want to stream to multiple platforms, that's my bandwidth. They allow for people to stream on Twitch, that's what they are. I can do that, for free because that's what they are. But only if I'm not doing other things that they specify on my internet connection? For affiliate/partner...sure I get it when it's part of a contract in exchange for money, non competition and such. But it's dangerous territory when you start putting limits on what I can do freely in other places and when. I'd love to hear a lawyer's perspective on that.

[@corruptedcardinal9253]

0:01 This made me make the conscious decision to feel my forehead.

[@CptCheesus]

By the way for the joycon drift, there's a setting for control stick calibration. The dead zones on joycons on the console suck without calibration

[@Cyzs66]

90% of the time it's Nintendo shit hardware that's the problem, not the calibration. Worth mentioning though.

[@wafflebytess]

I'm really curious what LTT will do about the Simulcasting 😢. 5:52

[@tc3d_]

Pretty sure they have this wording to be able to ban people and selectively enforce the TOS for whatever reason they want and not fear being sued in retaliation.

[@Atariese]

I see a lot about the advertisement change and very few talking about the simulcasting change. That is textbook bait and switch tactics.

[@seamus4A]

From my understanding, it seems like the advertisements section of the terms of service is strictly speaking about third party plug-ins for the stream that would gain AdSense off of the viewership, not necessarily monetized deals/short ad cutaway ad segments done by the streamer. Correct me if im wrong.

[@TheRealVitz]

I'm sure this was in the contract in the first place, but Twitch being able to renege on a signed contract while the streamers undoubtedly aren't is a real scummy move.

[@PorkShark]

Alcohol but not weed sounds like they want celebrities like Snoop Dogg or Dan Aykroyd to stream on the platform to promote their own alcohols