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[@bored_boar]

Ludwig is really underestimating how many of his viewers would show up to a gathering just to prove him wrong

[@ewwpoorpeople5684]

8. 8 people would show up, ludwig, qt, and slime being counted

[@deadboltzz5199]

2 if you include my slong

[@hamchurger4566]

​@@deadboltzz5199would you really go? Be honest its ludwig not worth it tbh

[@grizzlygaming801]

Yeah he definitely underestimates it, makes the same estimation fault kai did😅 Even if Kai has such a huge pull, Ludwig underestimates his

[@darkljs]

He doesn't get the power of the combo of free stuff + getting to meet your favorite streamer

[@Trap_bob]

imagine going to a starbucks to get some coffee, and when you leave starbucks you see your car getting stomped

[@ran160]

That’s you get for getting Starbucks and peeling a car in New York

[@abhinavdoma6638]

@@ran160english isn’t englishing

[@dislexyc]

So basically imagine being French

[@end_musix1636]

@@abhinavdoma6638 maybe this is what he meant to say, "That's what you get for getting Starbucks and peeling a banana in a car in New York."

[@abhinavdoma6638]

@@end_musix1636 but “peeling a banana” what does he mean 😭

[@adleylee4142]

Ludwig's really perfecting his ventriloquism skills

[@KaydenHockey]

You mean mogul mail?

[@gslTM]

Do you mean Mogul Mail? Who is Ludwig?

[@SuperHairyMonkey]

Who is this irrelevant Ludwig guy? This is Mogul Mail

[@rwinkler4321]

He's doing it on purpose at this point

[@sphawesome571]

DONT CLICK ON THESE LINKS

[@airick21]

Ludwig is really playing down how bad this was. You have to know with the kind of numbers Kai pulls that people would show up. Even the people around him were suggesting 10,000 people might show up. You have to be more responsible with your influence in those situations. Fan culture creates a lot of ignorance and stupidity, especially in easily manipulated minds. I hope lots of lessons are learned from this.

[@That_One_Guy...]

Probably not lmao, in murica you gotta give these idiots punishment to make them learn a lesson

[@tyche3576]

I was literally just thinking this. Lud is downplaying the situation hella. People could've died because of poor planning. Doesn't matter how young Kai is, at the very least his team should've known better.

[@sakib_h]

@@tyche3576 ludwig literally said people could have died and its great that it didn't go that far.... and it's not ludwig downplaying, it's media overplaying (You know a black twitch streamer inciting riot with teenagers of colors, they love that)... a lot of murders, rape, gunshoots happen in NYC but they dont get this much coverage anyway I dont mind this much coverage for this as the situation was definitely bad so I do hope this matter teaches the social media stars a lesson of their power

[@tyche3576]

@@sakib_h yeah I get he mentioned that people could’ve died, but the way he said it just didn’t seem like that was an issue. Which makes sense, Lud just content that this didn’t lead to something more serious. I just wish lud used this moment as an example to other influencers to be smarter about this kind of shit. Not saying he didn’t but hopefully you get what I mean.

[@sinnwalker]

All true except "it creates ignorance and stupidity", it doesn't, it just brings it out more, the majority of people on earth are inherently ignorant and stupid.

[@haphapp7282]

1.) This was scarily close to being the Astroworld of the streaming community 2.) Ludwig seems to have the same misunderstanding that Kai did, saying if he did something like this that not many people would show up

[@jamimakinen3751]

People just assume that Kai is in a van and cling to it, not caring if it could be just anyone. These people are deranged.

[@StonkeyKong]

Bro even if Kai was in there why tf they tryna kill him he just doing a giveaway. 😭

[@mannyballs5751]

Nah don’t worry bro. Hassan said they’re just teenagers dancing they’re totally mentally sane people.😊😊

[@Peanutnibbler]

​@@mannyballs5751💀

[@Randomperson-if4hy]

@@mannyballs5751Teens are the most destructive people, if anything it would’ve been better if it was adults.

[@chikinlikin6947]

They are kids and they are stupid

[@Kerran_Lionward]

Jesus Christ, this is a prime example of legit brainrot within a streamer's community. Also Kai is lucky shit didn't escalate any further than it already did cos man, imagine someone getting killed because of this clown fiesta.

[@TenaciousDealer]

Yeah there were so many moments that could have gone more wrong, at some points they were in massive danger of a crowd crush.

[@blakeog2034]

Coulda been astroworld 2

[@blakeog2034]

@@ratecyanstop replying.. feeds their algorithm

[@lamosos]

It's not just the streamer community. It's the entire generation.

[@JessssssssJesssss]

Yeah it was idiotic of him he’s lucky no psychos saw it and pulled up to go kill his ass

[@klausmana9512]

while Ludwig got upset and kept denying the Fred from Scooby Doo allegations on stream, Mogul Mail embraced them, showing that he is the better and more perceptive man. Truly a legend.

[@williamhenderson5549]

Is Mogul Mail actually.... Ludwin?

[@Personwtcats]

@@williamhenderson5549 We’ve never seen them at the same time… 🤔

[@hunterchewning6725]

He isn't truly Fred til he gets the ascot.

[@kori3e]

Fr! Faith in humanity restored by mogul mail 😋

[@ticherlp]

Calling inciting a riot ""Twitch Drama" is insane

[@YT7mc]

Yeah that shit had me dead

[@AngelsVoid]

Good way to get engagement

[@mickeyway326]

@@AngelsVoidif you have to use clickbait to get viewed, your content probably isn’t that great to begin with

[@swasome5821]

​@@mickeyway326must not know this streamer. This isn't even his main channel and he has this many views and subscribers. Not only that but obviously by his direction and dialogue throughout the video he is doing an excellent job. Click bait is just a part of his business that you and I do not understand. It's not like it's hurting anyone.

[@PandaFan2443]

How is "Twitch Drama" more clickbait than "inciting a riot"

[@ajx4]

The problem with just anyone becoming a streamer is that they will hit legitimate celebrity status and there's no one to advise them on decision making like this, like when was the last time an actor said "hey meet me *here* on said date" ever.

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

I cant believe Mogul Mail has figured out how to talk without moving his face, wait till Ludwig hears.

[@SouravSengupta93]

I thought it's my net connecton. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5aZf2eae5KZotE

[@onyx3019]

who tf is ludwig

[@doku367]

Mogul Mail is Ludwig u dumba**

[@sensei_zozo]

Wait till he move his face without talking

[@surfacta]

learned from gothamchess indeed

[@sydney7701]

I work in the news in NYC. Basically every person we interviewed compared it to Astroworld and I think Kai needs to realize that sobering reality that we're just really lucky no one was seriously hurt or died. Crowd surges are a real thing, and lack of security is a real thing -- we're very lucky no one brought a weapon. I do truly believe he wants to connect with his audience and give them free shit which is awesome but precautions always need to be taken for this reason.

[@haywoodjablome7822]

"in the news" huh? Which news station?

[@hastyscorpion]

@@haywoodjablome7822 why is that unbelievable?

[@Sebbir]

@@haywoodjablome7822would you tell randoms on the internet where you work?

[@joshd2925]

@@haywoodjablome7822 most massive media companies (and any high value enterprise such as a football club) have swarms of 1000-10,000+ reporters, administrators managers specialists make up designers all sort of employees that live and exist in the 'real world'. Welcome kiddo!

[@sebbiesydenham3077]

@@hastyscorpionsurprised because they’re used to the media being dominated by liberals. They’re not used to a news outlet having a different opinion to them.

[@saga685]

I think this is a good example why content creators need basic media/PR training, or at least employ someone to do a sense check on their choices *and actually listen to them* These young streamers are being elevated way too young and way too fast. They're clearly unable to reckon with the power and influence that affords them, let alone the consequences of either.

[@taahasiddiqui1071]

watch this guy be one of the uncivilized rioting and then turns around and blames kai

[@several.]

@@haywoodjablome7822 Teenagers?

[@WanderTheNomad]

Perhaps when they're past a certain popular level

[@theonethathungers5552]

Trust me, when you get older streamers with any sort of clout, their fan base is infinitely more rabid and dangerous than any younger content creators. It has nothing to do with his age, just his complete ignorance of his own abilities. That’s something that she doesn’t fix or make go away

[@aizenmorningstar]

@@theonethathungers5552 trust me bro, I got no evidence, just an opinion, but trust me !

[@johnsullivan1298]

One thing you have to consider as well is the unique capacity for people in New York to mobilize for an event like this. The public transportation system enables many people to attend, particularly minors, who wouldn’t otherwise have the ability to reach the meet up location. If Kai had the same theoretical viewer base in LA as he does in New York and scheduled a giveaway there, I doubt you would see nearly as many people show up.

[@glitchedReaper333]

uh... LA still has busses and a metro? It might be worse, idk, but it would HARDLY make a difference. You sound like a redditor

[@ayvidyan]

This is why things should be planned and organized and not just thrown out there on a whim. He knows how big he is, ofcourse people will show up. He has the responsibility to make sure this kind of give aways happens accordingly. People want free stuff, but what really makes me sad is how this whole thing became like animals who got out from zoo and started to get wild with no remorse with all the properties they destroyed. This should not be taken lightly. These people are ceazy.

[@jellycatfish]

This is how crowd crushing happen. Kai is very lucky that it didn't end in a tragedy with someone's death. When people all started to run away because of police, it could have turned out really bad. Heck, it did turn out bad because now people will associate his viewers with breaking cars, stealing stuff from shops and throwing stuff at police officers.

[@williamfranklin5152]

"people will now associate his viewers with breaking cars stealing stuff from shops and throwing stuff at police officers" Kai cenat is a very lowclass low intelligence individual it goes to show that his viewers would be likeminded because people who are not like that don't watch that type of trash content when you make trash content you attract trashy people and what do trashy people do? this this is what they do.

[@FelixHelix]

A single death associated with this situation, regardless of whether it was legitimately Kai's fault or not, would have had him in prison. It wasn't necessarily his fault, but I hope people who incited violence and mob mentality are charged. Additionally, however, crowd crushing isn't incited by the size of a crowd. He could had have 50,000 people show up, and no crushing occur, because a crowd crush is dependent on the density of people and usually not the amount. Considering there was lots of room, and people weren't packed liked sardines, this was really never a worry.

[@JessssssssJesssss]

@@FelixHelixit 100% was his fault

[@JStack]

There's tens of videos of plenty of people who just showed up hoping to get electronics and then were caught in group fights and people throwing shit from roofs and windows

[@Lauwit]

​@@JessssssssJesssssnope i know you have no logic in your brain but they even attacked kai Kais fault was a unsere giveaway he has nothing to do with riot

[@JJBeauregard1]

Whenever big streamers or influencers or whatever pull shit like this it just shows how detached from reality they really are because they don't even stop for a second to think about what could happen when they try to rally their millions of followers to one single spot without any planning whatsoever...

[@sayomom]

He cant act like he did not know this would happen. He has a mass following. He should have been more strategic in planning rather than saying show up. He will most likely receive heavy fines for the damages and disturbance caused

[@piemaniaco3]

It's hard to say because it's difficult to guess fan turnout. After the pandemic ppl like Rae became safety hazards at conventions just because of how many people wanted a photo. On the flip side some tiktokers with millions of followers had empty panels. Not saying this is the case here, but sometimes it's unexpected just how many people actually want to meet you

[@4purs]

Bro cut him some slack he just became famous, he probably didn’t know his real level of fame he didn’t even think 1000 people would show up . I don’t think anyone would expect a riot would ensue just from a meet up. I’ve seen A list actors do meet ups and this doesn’t happen. Edit: for the record he still definitely deserves to get charged and fined and all the consequences. I’m sure he’ll learn from this for next time.

[@benharding5591]

They're crafting a whole generation of morons

[@4purs]

@@piemaniaco3 exactly it’s his first meet up ever he definitely had no idea of his level of fame since the entire time has just been online and not seen anything in real life

[@SoloK_1]

The lack of organization is %100 on him. What a mess.

[@obsabeshir9979]

he has management that's supposed to stop dumb stuff like this as well

[@lordgrim-wn5fh]

​@obsabeshir9979 Yeah, but he's not a little child. Not being a idiot shouldn't be that hatd

[@ezper_]

I mean the fans should also have brains?

[@HiImBeans]

​@lordgrim-wn5fh Imagine being called an idiot for trying to give a small bit back tk the community that made you rich. Comments like this are why so many rich people just don't fk with the general public anymore.

[@syd5178]

@@HiImBeans hes not an idoit for trying to give back, hes an idoit for the way he went about giving back. it doesn't take a genius to understand that giving people 2 days notice and incentivizing people to show up with pcs and meeting him in the general public is a bad idea

[@tyler.walker]

He openly stated he wanted this to happen during stream. I like Kai alright, but I gotta say I do hope this ends with at least a few months of jail time. This was incredibly irresponsible, and he needs to face consequences that reflect the seriousness of the issue.

[@bandedski2550]

He expected 500 people lmao, you're reaching.

[@dre7147]

Jail time for what ? He can't control those people the most he deserves is a fine and that's all.

[@tyler.walker]

@@dre7147 He's already been charged with 2 counts of inciting a riot, along with 2 other charges. NY Law: "Section 240.08 - Inciting to riot A person is guilty of inciting to riot when he urges ten or more persons to engage in tumultuous and violent conduct of a kind likely to create public alarm. Inciting to riot is a class A misdemeanor." Kai thought he could get 500 people there. The law states 10 or more people is a riot. There were 7,000+ people there. That certainly fits within the definition of the law. So he could be convicted of a class A misdemeanor, what does that mean?

Here are the sentencing guidelines for a class A misdemeanor: "The sentences for a conviction to an “A” misdemeanor offense can include community service, a fine, mandatory state surcharges, issuance of an order of protection, two, three or more years of probation, up to one year in the county or city jail, such as Rikers Island, or a split sentence which includes a shorter period of incarceration for a period of time, such as 60 days, and then a longer period of probation following release from the jail." Personally, I think that a doing 6 months of jail time out of a maximum of 12 months for literally inciting a riot and causing a danger to the public is more than reasonable. He's a pseudo-celebrity, there are lots of people watching this, and streamers need to know that this kind of thing can't and won't be tolerated. It's not safe for anybody involved, or uninvolved, you know? Like, the people inside the SUV that the people were holding onto could’ve been hurt, or been afraid and then drove through a crowd of people or something. In my opinion, they need to set a precedent from this for the safety of others.

[@kylehahn4410]

I'm going to go out on a limb without having full context to say... I think he was participating in hyperbole to hype the event up. I'd call it an unfortunate choice of words given some retrospect on the situation, but I wouldn't call it "planned" without further evidence. It'd be like me getting charged with murder after offering a peanut cookie to someone allergic to peanuts after saying "This cookie is to die for".

[@Glade4]

@@bandedski2550 a new york streamer expected 500 people while talking to his audience of tens of thousands from the area by offering to give things away for FREE, even if he wasnt famous he would have people there, pull your head out of your ass, its time for jail

[@padenbang7375]

Imagine downplaying destruction of peoples property, physical assault and theft. Streamer culture is a joke

[@gasad01374]

people were running into stores, stealing things, attacking employees and running away. throwing fireworks like explosives, destroying innocent peoples property. it perfectly fits the very definition of "riot"

[@yourealittlebitfat4344]

peaceful but fiery!!!!!

[@shanemahon7627]

@@absbabs6153 the crowd were cheering on when they were dancing on cars and destroying property. Hardly just a few bad apples.

[@Dvniele]

Ofc they HAD to steal

[@rnajdbdheje2641]

@@DvnieleYk how those people are!

[@yaesfather7353]

@@rnajdbdheje2641 your color is showing, put the hood back on buddy

[@duckkvro]

those people swarming his hotel and breaking cars/jumping and following cars actually need to get a life.

[@Quintessence4444]

The people cheering for them are just as bad.

[@halloweenfan158]

It’s pretty awesome

[@impduuh8505]

they are a bunch of apes

[@apple-de8tx]

​@@halloweenfan158I'm sure ur mind would be changed if you ever have to pay off a car in the future, random bystanders are just getting their cars destroyed and for what? I would be so pissed

[@casheycashey3614]

@@halloweenfan158ur actually like 12 huh

[@dezenaamvergeetiknie]

I feel like this way too light of a take. What happened is dangerous and the affected people will most likely only be partially compensated for the damages (if they had insurance). Streamers absolutely should be held more accountable for negligent and reckless actions like this.

[@yololoyo7379]

Typical Democrats citizen, people like him don't even understand how hard life actually is for some normal folks. Fucking out of touch take

[@Outwardpd]

People walk on eggshells when it comes to Kai cause if you criticize him or his fans in any way you get called a racist.

[@yololoyo7379]

@@Outwardpd US, UK an Canada are so fucked

[@jordannewman177]

@@yololoyo7379have your civilization be destroyed and be happy about it. Trying to maintain your nation and live in a civil manner is “racist” didn’t you know?

[@a.w_.]

@@Outwardpdthis shouldn’t be a problem. People throwing around terms like racist for little reason other than that they’re offended on behalf of their favorite streamer isn’t something that needs to be taken seriously. It’s like walking on eggshells because you’re worried someone is going to say the sky is green.

[@leppaman2719]

The craziest part of this is that "Huge Twitch Streamer Drama" isn't a title that has been used on this channel already.

[@nadirbaitsaleem7270]

1:51 The Fred cosplay is recognized 😂

[@doctorgears9358]

I definitely feel like Kai should be, at the very least, fined for this. This was a disaster he himself directly caused. It's not a matter of "I can't control my fans from sending death threats to a person on twitter i'm beefing with", this is "I had a stupid idea and decided to go through with it". He is directly responsible for amassing these people here and should be paying for all the damages his negligence caused. With that said, it's fairly obvious he's never doing something like this again. Dude recognizes that it was asinine.

[@FierceDeity35]

Are you kidding? This was planned. He knew atleast 1000+ people would show. He had no permits. Intent to combat law enforcement by his own admission. He's a terrorist. And Alvin Bragg will let him go free...

[@CorpusFisty]

Heartbreaking: Wealthy Streamer Fined Inconsequential Amount of Money For Crime Which Garnered Him Huge Attention, Growth, and Revenue

[@goldsage4722]

​@RegularFun its amazing that some people genuinely believe that he didn't do it on purpose as if this isnt a win win for him in every possible way

[@MICHEALDESANTAS]

​@@goldsage4722why would he do it on purpose

[@Fahrenheit1407]

​@MICHEALDESANTAS this is the best advertisement he could hope for. Name plastered over international news

[@thatverseguy]

It's not surprising his fans are this dumb, but it's also sad that they would take advantage and be so uncivilised. Basic human decency is now suddenly a gift.

[@Scoobay]

Mob mentality. Sometimes regular people turn into penises that don’t know how to act when they’re in large groups.

[@fate4471]

As a Kai Cenat viewer I can say this is his stupidest idea yet, no planning, didn’t account for any wild ass mfs who might bring guns, didn’t account for security and how to keep people in check and didn’t communicate with any sort of venues or the nypd. He should’ve rented out a warehouse or a building for a day just to have this meetup with sufficient security.

[@donquaviousdigglebottom652]

Generalizing is a sign of unintelligence

[@cookster69]

I wonder why you used those words

[@nyxx7813]

is there a particular reason you think its not suprising?

[@Chapdog-vs9qp]

That was an extremely generous take towards Kai and the rioting lol

[@stephenmason9527]

He was more concerned with stanning how famous Kai was (mentioned like a dozen times) than people who lost their businesses or property (half heartedly covered once briefly at the end)

[@ecodes8498]

Seriously I watched every big streamer covered the news like this. Very eye opening on how quick they are to defend him and do damage control

[@djbobby224]

​@@ecodes8498it's a reporting not a take

[@fluffypillow21]

@@djbobby224 it would be reporting if he wasnt biased but yet he is

[@ejp507]

@@ecodes8498because they’re not dumb and realize he had no malicious intent. He was just dumb executing this idea.

[@MillyKKitty]

Not gonna lie, this would make a pretty sick episode of Boondocks. The absurdity of this entire thing is up their valley.

[@grapookado5834]

This says a lot for the type of people he attracts

[@jamimakinen3751]

I really hope most of the ones who showed up to start chaos get charged with everything they did.

[@valen5188]

and hopefully those police get charged for smashing that one dudes head through the windshield wtf jesus

[@itsgonnabeanaurfromme]

@@valen5188any other country, that dude would have been shot. Deserved it

[@dusk2308]

@@valen5188 oh yea where this is my first time saying and meaning it but god damn ACAB

[@V01DIORE]

@@dusk2308 Well in America there's defo a prevalent ego problem but ain't all bad else it'd just be lawless about.

[@obviouslyanonymous]

@itsgonnabeanaurfromme deserved it for what? He was standing in a street causing no resistance.

[@lazra4321]

I hope they are finding the people who were on videos breaking stuff and causing chaos. Sure Kai should be held responsible for the gathering but there is no excuse for those other individuals to be being acting the way they were. I can’t even imagine the fear of those who were in the area who didn’t know what was going on, must’ve been genuinely scared for their lives.

[@sssspider]

lol, lmao. You think even if they could do that, the police would bother doing anything? You think even if the police actually arrested anyone, the DA wouldn’t immediately let them back on the streets?

[@goldsage4722]

​@@sssspiderhuh? This is America dude people get arrested constantly. Its how America maintains its slavery

[@citanon4355]

@@sssspider Kai's viewers are predominantly black so I'm sure the police Are rushing to find them to see how many they can gun down.

[@Timmy-mi2ef]

​@@citanon4355You do know some of the police are black right?

[@citanon4355]

@@Timmy-mi2ef doesn't matter. Read up on tyre nichols. All of them were black, and they still killed a guy for no reason.

[@bnichoo]

I like how we are casually calling crimes drama now

[@stephenmason9527]

Depends on the perpetrator for these clowns

[@logan_page]

He absolutely bears responsibility for this. He needs to learn that he has to do literally ANY PLANNING. He’s young, and he can easily learn from this, but he has to do better.

[@nutthomp2040]

Influencers need to ask themselves before they do this kind of shit "am I doing this in a way Mr beast would?"

[@Maria_745]

He is WAY too big to do something like this without involving the city and absolutely should have known better. They're gonna throw the book at him to set an example that it's not acceptable behavior and a totally preventable situation

[@mad_lipz5731]

They won't do anything.

[@KillOnS]

Kai is so stupid.. This is yet another big incident where shit went wront just cuz he's stupid af. And the stupidest people seem to have the most followers nowadays. What a sad world we live in

[@xxdaredevilxx7731]

@@itzame2127bro what?

[@antlerbraum2881]

@@itzame2127lmao what? 😂 Black people get unjustly arrested more than white people on average

[@s0uzi37]

@@itzame2127 It is very clearly the opposite if this was any white streamer NYPD definitley wouldnt try to charge them

[@the_real_logan]

XQC could have that kind of pull if his viewers ever left their houses.

[@bored_boar]

Or if his viewers were old enough to travel to wherever he'd be

[@maurits4845]

X needs to leave his house first before his viewers have a place to riot at

[@kajamatousek247]

If XQC pulled this shit he wouldve been charged in like 5 seconds

[@jordannewman177]

Your viewers have to be old enough to walk in order to leave the house on their own.

[@wayothefro3249]

I seriously have no idea how Kai thought this event was going to go down. Did he really think that people were just going to get in a straight line on their own when he’s giving away a ton of expensive stuff? The people there shouldn’t have acted like that but Kai is also responsible for what happened.

[@Cybertech134]

You can tell by the way he talks that he doesn't think

[@ninjanarutonightman]

No bro, he probably thought there were going to be less people showing up in his event.

[@SierraMysteria]

It was a publicity stunt. Promising PS5s and PCs for free added greed to the mix, he knew exactly what he was doing.

[@jen-jl5dn]

all he had to do was get event organizers. he has the money to make this a safe event, he should be held responsible for sure

[@ejp507]

@@SierraMysteriait was just meant to be a giveaway, their was a video of the truck with all the things they were going to giveaway. It did go viral for the outcome but it was never the intent.

[@greenfacewitheyeplayz8663]

Lud is getting good at ventriloquism

[@taintedtango2737]

Look at me recognizing patterns again.

[@elliottmcleandeboer]

Wild that some people think lying on top of someone's SUV while in motion would make them *more* likely to give you a free computer

[@spencergiddings8228]

This isn't drama, this is a crime.

[@kyleselby3196]

Cry harder

[@scientia.veritas]

​@@kyleselby3196good, found atleast one of the brain-dead rioters.

[@phantasy8921]

@@kyleselby3196 ? cope harder

[@TheHugeDwarf]

@@kyleselby3196 it is a crime and Kai is a moron who shouldn't have much of anything he has BEEN GIVEN

[@ashenblood]

@@kyleselby3196 dude outed himself as brain dead

[@safoan231]

Me and my frnd were actually there 4 hours before and the crowd was actually so massive even then, looked like new years eve at times square but everyone was pushing each other, and we thought it was because of a protest or something so we walked all the way around grand central. I could have never guessed that a streamer could've made that big of a crowd.

[@noahnewman480]

“Ninjas tried to do a gathering before but there wasn’t as much movement” 🤣

[@RaghavChandraNaveen]

ludwig is improving his ventriloquism at alarming rates

[@brown8094]

Just because you're friends with Kai doesn't mean you should downplay what happened. People were hurt, property was damaged and charges were filed. This is clear incompetence on Kai's part and he should be held fully responsible.

[@yrreberry1092]

🤓

[@juliosantiago5908]

He already said that 😂 didn’t you listen?

[@shavierlastname]

who cares

[@kingchicken8232]

@@shavierlastnamewouldn’t you care if some assholes kicked in your windshield lol

[@deadboltzz5199]

​@@juliosantiago5908He has to be trolling 😅

[@EricSp33r]

I hope he at least gets fined but he probably should get charged too. These social media riots should not be the norm

[@Heelzy]

wow

[@kylealexander7024]

Charged for what exactly? Please do explain the law he broke.

[@MoltenUranium]

@@kylealexander7024well, he’s being charged with inciting a riot right now

[@yololoyo7379]

@@kylealexander7024 he didn't organize the event. He even predicted what could happen on stream, but he said fuck it jut do it anyway

[@kylealexander7024]

@@MoltenUranium and how did he do that specifically? Being charged and not even arrested is a simple tactic to calm down a large crowd. Dude didnt incite a riot.

[@max1999_]

This was such a weak take from ludwig. Responsibility HAS to be taken. This wasn’t a ‘let’s give this a go and see what happens’ kind of situation. He knew exactly what he was doing and what the result was going to be. I’m so sick of these influencers getting a pass like they’re children. He’s 21, not 15.

[@THE1stBRAINinTOWN]

Honestly kinda expected Ludwig to infantalize Kai like he always does.

[@sere971]

21 year olds basically are children. You think they're not, either because you're close to that age or because they're legally adults, but people do stupid shit when they're in their early 20s all the time. I agree that responsibility does need to be taken, but I don't really understand the problem people have with Ludwigs takes here.

[@heyxndei]

@@sere971 its bc hes taking the responsibility off of kai...

[@Justpassingby204]

Kai never got a permit to have people meet up, that’s the biggest issue. He didn’t check with the police first

[@CallEmOut-b]

Ludwig literally self roasting calling himself Fred from Scooby-Doo lol

[@apple-de8tx]

Can't believe nobody with Kai or Kai thought to bring something like a megaphone, bro was literally screaming into the void asking them to be chill Even if it was only 500 people it would still be insane to bring zero equipment, how could they have possibly given away enough for a crowd of 500 people anyways?

[@marlinazul7786]

Can’t believe there was a video of Ludwig breaking a windshield with a baseball bat, glad to know mogul mail would never do that

[@novadrewtheworld5031]

Lud, bud, I have to break it to you. You have, in no hyperbolic terms, immense pull from your status as a youtuber. Content creators online do NOT understand the power they have unless they built their base on that purpose. I'd wager that the top 1% of streamers might could have minor sway on an election even. In the US kids have been content-brained; the effects of the internet and instant communication on the human collective conscious are only just beginning.

[@ErikPelyukhno]

Valid points

[@no-bk4zx]

Yes, because a random guy understands Ludwig's fanbase more than himself especially when he has done multiple events where his fans gathered.

[@TheCodeTurtle]

Remember that most of Lud’s viewers are closer to his age. Kai obviously had a bunch of people who weren’t adults and kids are more out of control generally. Lud doesn’t make high energy yelling content that would attract people who would trash the streets. I imagine if you got 7000 of Lud’s viewers in NY it would be a lot more chill than what happened with Kai. The content that a streamer makes determines who their viewers are obviously.

[@sticlavoda5632]

Audiences, oftentimes, are spread across multiple nations and are not, for the most part, this concentrated. A person with an active dedicated and permanent viewer base of 50k people that would show up at any event, usually has this audience split across the entire Anglosphere and the European Union, where English based media is primarily consumed. Kai is an exception, his audience seems very highly concentrated in a specific subculture of the USA.

[@apple-de8tx]

​@@TheCodeTurtleludbuds are theater kids 😂

[@TryZaWarudo]

I thought for the first 4 seconds in, I be watching a still image of Ludwig giving us the news of the week.

[@mathiash6525]

Obviously this would happen, Kai's stream isnt about anything in general, mostly just being hype, setting fireworks off inside, fighting with his bodyguards. Do you really think his audience would be any different? It was very apperant that they would destroy anything in their way because that's what Kai seem to like doing on stream.

[@playtimeplay4518]

i legitimately have never even heard the name kai cenat before this

[@greedxvii3698]

I didn’t know who he was until like a few months ago n all I know is he has an extremely massive following on twitch

[@inkadots]

this event is like taylor swift being like "meet me in times square for free concert tickets!" and then thousands of people showing up except in the streamer world.

[@TehWhiteTiger]

It boggles my mind how he ever expected this to go well. EDIT: Never mind, he openly admitted he wanted this to happen. Hope he gets charged properly. Make an example of him.

[@abhinavdoma6638]

exactly he stated that he wanted it to go wild he should be charged

[@epimetheus8243]

Well, I don't understand 50% of what he says, but I believe he's just naively hyping it up. Now in retrospect his statements obviously look even worse, but I think it was rather stupidity than evil intent. Nonetheless making an example of him is probably the way to go.

[@Shabkaz]

Nah he didnt. I m sure he was exaggerating. People say this shit because they think it cant happen. Why would he want to be mobbed ? I m sure he does whenever he goes out cause hes already famous

[@Cybertech134]

@@Shabkaz You got proof, or are you talking out of your ass?

[@nonpondo_]

​@@Shabkazthe giveaway thing I could see happening from a mile away but, the clip of the people at the hotel is what surprised me the most, I think he has genuinely gotten much bigger than he even realizes because of how fast it happened, it kind of shifted my perspective cause I think his idea was to have a medium sized group of people he could just fuck around with at do some minor shenanigans with, but he has inadvertently gotten to like, Justin Bieber levels of fame to the point that he would have needed to hide the hotel he was staying at, which he didn't

[@BentArrowni]

This situation makes me respect QT for focusing on security so much on her évents

[@TheHuckeberrie]

common qt W

[@arkain1]

Mogul Money Live had even more security than the Streamer Awards. They instantly hogtied that mofo who tried to rush the stage and threw him out on the parking lot outside the SoFi Stadium.

[@h.t.8812]

right!

[@Plasmacat1]

You and a bunch of other big creators are so afraid of being called racist that you're downplaying so hard how bad, dangerous this was and still is. It's kinda ridiculous to call this "twitch drama".

[@PJboy443]

Can’t blame him, I also would fear the woke mob. They are clearly violent and mindless

[@naukumaija7056]

"It needs to be responsled." -Ludwig Ahgren

[@PerfectSense77]

Kai deserved to get charged. He knew this was going to be ugly, as the clip with him talking about it shows, and did it anyway as a stunt to try and put his name out. If he wanted to do a giveaway he could have had fans sign up for it on a website or something. Instead he did this. I hope the people smashing cars get the book thrown at them.

[@requiemforameme1]

If he’s from NY, I really doubt he didn’t know the potential for this to go ugly. He was straight up negligent. Shit gets messy on hot weekends, and Union Square’s already a circus half the time.

[@abhinavdoma6638]

@@requiemforameme1either way he deserves to get charged he was irresponsible and just downright stupid when planning this

[@kaniac_]

He literally said he thought it would only be 500 people and when he did show up he was clearly concerned with how big the crowd was and how unsafe it was. Yes it was a mistake and his charges won't go away but I feel like yall are being really harsh on him, hes still a human at the end of the day.

[@requiemforameme1]

@@abhinavdoma6638Agree 100%. There’s already hundreds of people around Union Sq normally. Hearing someone’s giving away free shit is gonna start a mob even if you don’t know him.

[@mannyballs5751]

@@kaniac_and? My guy, 500 people still warrant proper planning, proper security, proper decorum. Literally no excuse for this man, he’s a moron who decided to do something like this when he easily could’ve prevented it.

[@letti4285]

6:05; Kai Cenat posted multiple stories on Snapchat about the giveaway hyping it up, it wasn't just something he briefly mentioned. I knew from his snap this was gonna happen way before the actual event

[@roop94]

Internet “influencers” pretending that they don’t know how much..ahem..INFLUENCE!!! they have is getting tired and disingenuous. Insane to think that an influencer can sit back on millions they make from literal fans and then act like those fans won’t be rabid when told that there’s an unorganized public event happening in a large metropolitan area

[@maurits4845]

Don't forget that they're also handing out free stuff. People go crazy over free stuff, especially if it's that expensive

[@RuthlessNoise]

People can gather all they want but what fucks me up the most is the destroying others peoples property in the progress like why? I seriously don't get it

[@MCheiron]

3:19 Look at him. So proud of that joke! Good one Mr Mail!

[@Lynkah]

I think Kai doesn't care enough. I think he's going to keep repeating mistakes like this because it brings him more fame (or infamy, rather).

[@jarenagra2804]

this is what bothers me. he should take responsibility and be accountable as he is a public figure. pay for the damages before he starts handing out ps5's

[@creaperreaper6676]

I think Kai does care on a certain level but won’t show it as much. Part of him is surprised by the amount of people who showed up and actually enjoying the fact he’s so popular that this could happen. Half of him knows what happened is wrong and messed up and i don’t think he will do it again. Not to mention that any fame he gains from this will be false fame, because now his image will be centered around being the guy who caused a mass riot that destroyed a city

[@stormlight_0577]

I also think people acted like that because of Kai's type of content, always been something "crazy" has to happen and so much energy. Not that it's his fault but his audience probably expected something insane happening like in his streams. Can't think of another creator where people would expect something like that to happen, probably a much more chill gathering.

[@orinblank2056]

Yeah a Ludwig gathering like that would probably be just a bunch of lonely nerds yelling "BOYS!" at each other

[@garrydimasa1964]

He's nurturing the "hood culture" through his manner on his streams so his fans reacting like this isn't so out of expectations, atleast how i see it.

[@Prodig3yXunleashed]

Not only is Kai beyond brain dead, his entire fan base is too.

[@MajieB]

Average dookie skin IQ on display. Immediatly start looting when they got enough ppl.

[@smartwater598]

Most of them are black lol

[@JessssssssJesssss]

@@smartwater598completely irrelevant. Majority of teenage boys are dumbasses not just the black ones

[@meow2841]

@@smartwater598racist for what

[@ninalimonn9494]

@@smartwater598 o...k?

[@flower_cat.]

Kai cenat's talking sounds like a 2 year old practicing formal speech

[@JeremiahJUX]

"Mystery van with my talking dog" took me a second, but then I saw the shirt and the hair. 🤣🤣

[@goldfish9602]

not to mention, the crowd throwing bottles at the police; and how the crowd stole and disrupted multiple gryro and halal stands who where caught in the crossfire. I feel so bad for everyone who was caught in the crossfire here.

[@lag9762]

Given the cops were shoving innocent bystander's faces *THROUGH* windshields, they really can't be out here bitching about a couple bottles

[@fort809]

@@lag9762 true

[@rxj16]

@@lag9762 people like you are the problem...

[@TwoBs]

@@lag9762 … and why did a cop do that? Why were cops there to begin with? Hmmm. Makes you wonder… Almost as if this all could have easily been avoided if dumbasses weren’t being dumbasses… Nah … let’s instead be mad about something that was the result of another major problem lol.

[@jordannewman177]

@@lag9762he was there and he deserved it. The correct course of action against a riot involves guns and live ammunition but you people are pathetic so this shit keeps happening.

[@vu1tCtrlDefeat]

That's a whole lot more "wow look at how much clout this streamer has, isn't that awesome" and not a whole lot less "This was incredibly stupid and irresponsible" that was deserving of this situation.

[@h.t.8812]

yeah, i just watched charlie's video, and watching ludwig's i really got that vibe, lud's a bit too impressed at the numbers when i think it's not even that surprising, if i told anyone a streamer is giving away free pcs they'd come with me... and this was super dangerous

[@tomshaw5025]

nobody needs to be told that it was ireesponsible, it's plain and obvious already. Ludwig isn't here to lecture people

[@reeevrse4304]

The state of new york should sue. For damages, cops getting injured, not having permit, etc. Make a point out of him

[@garrettcason3692]

seems to me like the only people inquired were injured by the NYPD smashing their face through a window.

[@alexeystarkov7504]

@@garrettcason3692 One guy, plus that window apparently got wrecked by cops hand + they were trying to cuff him for (as they probably thought it was him and not the guy in grey hoody) punching taxis window with a stick

[@garrettcason3692]

@@alexeystarkov7504 no the guys face broke through the window. When they pulled him out his face was pouring blood really graphic shit.

[@alexeystarkov7504]

@@garrettcason3692 Yeah? woah well that's certanly an unfortunate accident, however i personally think that they decided to cuff him agains that car instead of faceflooring him cause that could've and up causing more damage for him due to croud being around them

[@victoriazero8869]

@@alexeystarkov7504 "people" with badges aren't accountable for anything.

[@theworldisquiethere]

This is proof that streamers should be wary of the type of fans they cultivate, you’d never hear about lily pichu fans pulling this kind of shit, this kind of community reflects on Kai personally

[@TheDumplingGecko]

As someone who was there moments before the riot I really think we should’ve saw this coming. There were a few policemen, everyone was croweded together kinda like they were waiting on a line but the line was a blob, everyone there was smoking weed and as soon as you got there you smelled it. And lasty people were very loud and were yelling as well as unintentionally blocking streets.

[@B34RHunter]

What a weak take. It's embarrassing how mildly you assign responsibility to Kai. He is an adult and should be held accountable. From the clips we saw he knew this was gonna be trouble so now he needs to face some repercussions or he's not gonna learn at all.

[@coolnathan09]

He literally said he deserves to learn this lesson on how much his words can do.

[@tge2102]

​@@coolnathan09so he'll be pleading guilty to inciting a riot, committing fraud and reimbursing the already taxed to death new yorkers for all the property damage? If no, then no lessons were learned.

[@heyxndei]

fr!! not to mention this isnt his first time causing a scene in the streets of nyc

[@dre7147]

​@@tge2102 Bruh relax take a chill pill grandpa

[@tomshaw5025]

@@tge2102 inciting a riot and committing fraud are hillariously overblown charges. Some sort of public nuissance charges would be more appropriate. Trust Americans to try and hit people with the most severe charges possible. Also, how does this even amount to fraud??

[@Euvoia]

I honestly didn't expect Kai to pull in those amount of numbers IRL then again, there could've been people just walking by the area, friends who followed another friend, couples, ppl who wanted to check out why there's a gathering, ppl who wanted to just be unlawful citizens and then the actual fans there for the giveaway

[@Jbolo123]

Bro was giving out free shit in an insanely dense city. He knew damn well what he was doing

[@chillin5703]

​@@Jbolo123nah. I mean, he should've known. NY is one of the best cities transit wise and it's summer vacation so a ton of teenagers with literally nothing else to put their time into. But people taking clips of him saying it'll be "wild" and ignoring his own estimates for how many people will be there (1000 tops) are overplaying what he thought would happen. Reckon he thought it'd be loud, maybe excitable but not like this. Whether or not that was reasonable is something else (I don't believe so).

[@Euvoia]

@@Jbolo123 That's fair but then again, and I say this as *kinda* a conspiracy theorist, but I don't think Kai would do it purposely even if we're going by the "negative press is still good press" I just don't see a positive outcome if he is genuinely out for the money and fame, cuz this does none of that and he already pulling an avg (if I'm not wrong) of 80k viewers on Twitch

[@Jbolo123]

@@Euvoia it’s definetly working, they even mentioned him during wwe super slam

[@JCurry1123]

The problem is the streamer sets the vibe for their community. Chill people tend to have chill communities. Streamers that do what they want and don't hold themselves to any standards have communities that do the same. I hope Kai now realizes that he needs to make sure his community knows that this type of behavior isn't what he's about. This is a failure of planning, of course you get chaos when you randomly say "in 48 hours be here" with no plan.

[@haphapp7282]

It’s a big stretch to say Kai “doesn’t hold himself to any standards” just because his stream is high energy

[@demichild]

The fact I found out about this on NHK that day says a lot.

[@BIRDSBIRDSBIRDSBIRDSBIRDS]

It isn't the number of people that showed up it's the types of people in his audience. Ludwig is really off base here.

[@alliecase692]

God this infuriates me. This isn’t a time for a light take, this unacceptable all around. How many subscribers does he have???! It’s stupid of him to think this was a good idea, not to mention his fans are the worst kind of brain rot & doing shit to be or look “cool”. All around unacceptable & these kids are the worst fanbase u could possibly have

[@sere971]

Things like this haven't really happened before. I'm not a Kai fan other than passingly having a positive opinion of him from him being mentioned mostly by Ludwig, but how is he supposed to know that hosting a public event could turn into that shitshow?

[@normalname3623]

​@@sere971why do you think whenever a pop star/famous people doing public event they will need planning and security in place ? Because this will happen and it happened before. The only thing that is fair comparing to the outcome here is his intellegence

[@JustLikeYou.]

@@sere971because he didn’t even “host” an event lmao he straight up just said “meet me here for free shit”. Dude didn’t plan a single thing out and this is what happens

[@Eclipse-lw4vf]

Here’s the thing. He got charged. But he is eligible to be sued for those who were injured

[@Meep55412]

I was thinking about that. I would be VERY surprised if he ISN'T sued.

[@liveandletdie138]

@@Meep55412 Business who suffered damages could potentially sue but i doubt any individual will.

[@victoriazero8869]

@@liveandletdie138 Depending on how many the victims are, class action lawsuit is still on the table...

[@Popcorn23]

Ludwins new talent of talking without moving his mouth is very impressive

[@dj07677]

Translate! ကျွန်ုပ်ကို စာရင်းသွင်းပြီး ဤမှတ်ချက်ကို ကြိုက်နှစ်သက်သူတိုင်းကို ကျွန်ုပ် စာရင်းသွင်းပါမည်။…

[@SpinnerRedDragonNano]

Ludwin? I think you mean Mogul Mail.

[@redred7702]

It’s as if the concept of being respectful just, doesn’t exist anymore. Didn’t these people get taught in elementary school to not touch other people’s shit?

[@goodnight2925]

he’s getting super good at the ventriloquist intros. bravo Lud

[@Honerkamp]

That person in the truck only needed to be carrying a firearm and it would've turned out much worse, cause looking at this they must've been in fear of their life

[@gordonramsay8351]

when i saw kai pull off from the crowd my first thought was "people are gonna follow him and find out where he lives" low and behold, they did lol.

[@daybrake2]

Ludwig would never be able to freeze his face like Mogul Mail can

[@coopertaylor4876]

My 93 year old grandma in Brooklyn who leaves her house once every 3 months knows about this… crazy

[@TheKingGrimlock]

You downplayed the situation and gravity of it all.

[@meowtaindewd]

kai is not a good person, no shocker his fans arent either. i prbably wouldnt be so harsh on him abt this whole incidence if he was a good person, but hes clearly not.

[@biffysenpai]

I live in NYC and I was there and saw how people were acting wild and I was just very disappointed, scared and heartbroken I had to leave out of safety for my life 😢

[@redryan20000]

Amazing some people will defend this behavior as though they weren't acting violent and dangerous.

[@abhinavdoma6638]

@@redryan20000exactly bruh it’s no excuse to do this no matter what a guy on the internet says

[@anthonybrkz]

0:01 mogul mail is ai he glitching 😂

[@The15back]

3:16 There was not as much movement, I would argue” lmao

[@24fz]

Never knew Ludwig was a ventriloquist.

[@tash8697]

Union square is a pretty crowded area especially on a weekend in the first place, aggressive crowding in a small and population dense area like that can get dangerous really quickly, I dont think kai they will let him off easily for this especially with the amount of media attention this is getting…

[@frogfortress]

people turning into literal animals when thinking they will be given a free thing is wild

[@a_personperson9785]

Clearly you havent attended black fridays in america

[@Inhale_Burrito]

It's not about how many people showed up, It's about the people who showed up. This is his audience. They act how he acts. You can't tell me the dude setting his house on fire yearly didn't know his fans would set the city on fire. I'm sick of people avoiding accountability and being rescued by money. Fuck em all.

[@Y_VezNan_Y]

I just happend to walk straight into these riots in New York while on holiday, it was actually ridiculous. The police had the highest level of mobilization active

[@FairFeline]

Ludwigs intros have never been more accurate. My mom called me and asked if I'd heard that one of my twitch streamers was on the news. I was confused and when she explained who it was, I told her I didn't watch that one. Edit: I have now explained to her about what happened thanks to this video.