News News Yum Yum with Marc Andreessen

Marc Andreessen of Andreessen Horowitz returns to discuss his recent essays on AI, violence, and much more including: San Francisco, mandatory military service, Voegelin, and life extension. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: netsuite.com/zen
Check out our other interviews with Marc:
Moment of Zen E1: on SBF/FTX, Twitter, and Open AI/Chat GPT • Moment of Zen w/ Marc ...
Moment of Zen E2: on Elon Musk, Nietzsche, and America's Thousand-Year Empire • Marc Andreessen on Elo...
TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Episode preview
(01:26) The evolution of human entertainment from epic poetry to NPC Tiktoks
(06:50) Violence is a choice
(11:00) True democracy mandates military service as a virtue
(20:00) Can San Francisco be fixed?
(31:00) Marc's empirical argument for AI
(34:45) Sponsor: NetSuite
(35:45) Where Sam Harris gets it wrong
(39:37) Eric Voegelin's concept of Immanetizing the EschatonWhat happens to religion after AI?
(46:20) What happens to religion after AI
(52:50) What would Nietzsche say?
(54:00) LLMs are already the subject of a religious war
(01:03:30) What comes after liberalism
(01:07:00) Based on Zuck's recent PR success, are alpha males back?
(01:11:20) Men’s tailoring and the stripping of masculinity
(01:13:50) Is Twitter’s influence the real world?
(01:17:20) Is Left vs Right the central conflict of our time?
(01:22:28) Life extension
LINKS:
Marc Andreessen, Fighting pmarca.substack.com/p/fighting
Marc Andreessen, Why AI Will Save The World. pmarca.substack.com/p/why-ai-...
Eric Voegelin, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Vo...
Book: Regime Change by Patrick J. Deneen www.amazon.com/Regime-Change-...
TWITTER:
@pmarca (Marc)
@dwr (Dan)
@antoniogm (Antonio)
@eriktorenberg (Erik)
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[@vivekkunwarpal]

Great Conversation and welcome back marc 🙌🙌

[@GTS00000]

Happy you guys realised that when you invite Andreessen people press play to listen to Andreessen! Good one!

[@shrek22]

Marc brought his A game here. Very insightful actually. Has a bad rap but has rational points.

[@Myhands14]

Since when did Marc have a bad rap? Genuinely curious to hear some terrible takes

[@Nostalgia404]

Has a bad rap? wtf are you talking about

[@kreek22]

@@Myhands14 AI doom dismissalism as an art form does not please all comers.

[@shrek22]

​@@kreek22 @danielbishop5427 It was my understanding A16Z abused their position in crypto projects. As majority token holders, they caused many projects to use infrastructure in their portfolio vs. what the community wanted.

[@mlaprisephysique]

The fact that Pinky doll ended up being the common thread of this “philosophical” episode is pure gold

[@MomentofZenPodcast]

So happy to have Marc guesting again on the show! If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: netsuite.com/zen TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode preview (01:26) The evolution of human entertainment from epic poetry to NPC Tiktoks (06:50) Violence is a choice (11:00) True democracy mandates military service as a virtue (20:00) Can San Francisco be fixed? (31:00) Marc's empirical argument for AI (34:45) Sponsor: NetSuite (35:45) Where Sam Harris gets it wrong (39:37) Eric Vogelin's concept of Immanetizing the EschatonWhat happens to religion after AI? (46:20) What happens to religion after AI (52:50) What would Nietzsche say? (54:00) LLMs are already the subject of a religious war (01:03:30) What comes after liberalism (01:07:00) Based on Zuck's recent PR success, are alpha males back? (01:11:20) Men’s tailoring and the stripping of masculinity (01:13:50) Is Twitter’s influence the real world? (01:17:20) Is Left vs Right the central conflict of our time? (01:22:28) Life extension

[@Iturner72]

Banger title, can't wait to listen :)))

[@rasbperrypi133]

This was genuinely a phenomenal episode

[@mccoyvc]

Great conversation, best yet

[@otis5d]

agree

[@jasonoconner7863]

"The Last Question" was mentioned! Take a drink! Great episode!

[@NicholasBaker]

yes yes yes podcast so good

[@dave_sakamoto]

Mmm ice cream so good

[@alldaywhodie]

best pod, fr fr

[@assemblyofsilence]

One of the most dangerous podcast episodes I’ve ever heard.

[@hectorjelly]

Altered carbon is great and discusses the problems of longevity. The book more than the series.

[@af241]

News news yum yum!

[@lanhuage7209]

“Hes putting his body where his mouth is” - Marc Andreessen

[@shrek22]

I love how Antonio sits in disbelief at wtf he is hearing. He just hangs with deer in the headlight look. The best podcast in terms of bringing opposing points of view and learning how to converse.

[@GrayBlanket]

Or the exact opposite. Antonio agrees and therefore holds his tongue until 1:28:28 when he submits a lone point of contention.

[@alexmarinica5310]

Marc is on 1.5x playback speed by default 😂

[@tomcraver9659]

Not clear why Andreesen says there's no testable hypotheses around AI fears. How about "If given a goal and sufficient means to achieve it, an agentic AI would be 'willing' and capable of deceiving humans in order to acheive that goal." That has certainly been hypothesized, and it was tested and it happened.

[@landonhowell]

Does Marc own any books?

[@DD-ws6cu]

Marc Andreessen has all this money but he can’t buy a bookshelf….

[@SageShepherd241]

He puts a lot of effort into being effortless

[@allanhall7483]

Hes living in a $ 177 million house. Maybe it's just that room. Lol

[@therJrep]

He buys books faster than his book shelves can keep up

[@exponent42]

they're just "I'm well read" props

[@otis5d]

GOAT MOZ comment as of now 🏆

[@kouroshkadivar]

It’s not left vs right or institutionalist vs anti-institutionalist, it’s high agency or low agency

[@kouroshkadivar]

I think before we even talk about neo-liberalism there’s a deeper question that causes the greatest divide in thinking. Do you believe in an individuals ability to bring about their vision of a successful life, do you believe in an individual’s ability to think for oneself? I think most of our discourse is downstream from this divide.

[@sineadward5225]

I am a Dan fan!

[@nerd-]

that head is CRAZY

[@shyama5612]

The last minute about Jonas Salk - Marc should read Dissolving Illusions or talk to its author Roman Bystrianyk, he's sure to be red pilled more than he is.

[@jasonoconner7863]

Ah! Marc's claiming San Francisco experiment will fail because ...he's gonna have a city of his own competing soon. /s

[@puneeification]

You guys seriously advertising for Oracle rofl

[@otis5d]

deadass

[@CeeLow53]

Take a shot every time Marc says "you know"

[@marcosajw]

I don't know

[@tonykasunic1]

Is this the "not" all in podcast?

[@assemblyofsilence]

When it comes to heaven and hell MA is getting his cults mixed up.

[@hectorjelly]

Both Mexico and Brazil have tried very harsh tactics against crime.

[@kreek22]

Not at the El Salvador level of harsh. Nowhere near the medieval England level of harsh. Etc.

[@GrayBlanket]

@@kreek22 Why does our judicial system outsource punishment for the most reprehensible crimes to the incarcerated felonious inmates in gen-pop? This can't be a good for anyone.

[@Cagrst]

I’m incredibly bothered by how flippant Mark is in dismissing peoples legitimate concerns about AI. I would respect him so much more if he engaged with the actual arguments and didn’t just keeps conjuring up ridiculous strawmen.

[@SageShepherd241]

Yes, this is the most frustrating thing. He doesn't seriously consider other points of view. He is more comfortable making straw man arguments.

[@siquike90]

So what are the real arguments?

[@kreek22]

@@siquike90 Lesswrong is full of them.

[@overman2306]

You just have that personality type. You probably worry a lot about climate change and covid too.

[@1Bridem]

Poor mans all in podcast

[@jw6183]

Marc’s opening argument is so beyond asinine - contrarian for the sake of it

[@otis5d]

^smooth brain take 🏆

[@calimmar]

🇵🇸 free Palestine

[@wantstocomment7092]

Hey sillicon valley americans. Why don't you use those expensive fruit books to write algorithms that randomize district borders? When in doubt revert to the 2000+ year solution: lottery.

[@overman2306]

Why don't you built it?

[@wantstocomment7092]

@@overman2306 I'm not american Übermensch2306

[@MFJoneser]

Heard enough out of Andreeson. He should retire.

[@overman2306]

If you criticize successful people online and you're not successful yourself that makes you a loser.

[@satan3347]

What has never fails to amaze me is the false but quite trendy lateralization of food & sex habits.

[@AndreAnyone]

Free Palestine !

[@kreek22]

From Islam.

[@AndreAnyone]

Andrew Tate is the MAN !!