Bajiquan Applications - Wu LianZhi

Wu LianZhi discussing baji fundamentals at European BaJi Gathering 2012 in Pertuis, France

[@viktorberzinsky4781]

Looking at the comments this reminds me of one thing that bothers me is that whenever someone sees a technique demonstrated in slow motion they say "Lol ineffective in a real fight cuz they did it slow here, this martial art is bullshido" while neglecting the fact that in actual sparring or a real fight you would be doing the same maneuvers at full speed and force. The point is often for the person executing it to feel how the technique should feel when executed, to let observers see the various parts of the maneuver in question so they can understand how the maneuver is executed, and third to allow oneself to get used to making these physical motions. Many slow solo exercises basically serve as a means of achieving that last point; to let the practitioner feel what their body is doing as they do it and to get used to making these sort of motions. It's part of preparing for doing the thing at full speed. Many times, the instructor will slow the execution of the technique down and then perform the same one at full speed to demonstrate. One does not take a first time driver out onto a busy road with a high speed limit when they know little of operating the vehicle, however, once they have practiced driving for an extended period and learned the ins and outs of operating the vehicle, then they will be able to.

[@AAA-tc1uh]

Fair enough. In every martial art you learn it slow and methodical at first. But the real point is that a lot of these guys (not talking about the one here in particular) NEVER test these techniques or ideas in uncooperative sparring or against someone who is not a compliant student, not even talking about full contact style-vs-style events. It's always an outreaching punch which stays hanging there in the air, while in real life it would be much faster, retract and the attacker would be moving around, in and out of range.

[@rodgerbane3825]

A LOT, a LOT, of CMA never do get around to full speed against a non cooperative resisting opponent. Often, this sort of thing is all there is.

[@DeadBoneJones]

@@rodgerbane3825 unless you’re going out and challenging crackheads in a 7-11 parking lot, you’re probably not getting any real world experience yourself

[@rodgerbane3825]

@@DeadBoneJones Ever boxed? Or wrestled? That's going full speed against a resisting opponent. And as far as the crackhead at the 7-11 goes those people are dangerous because they often have weapons and a disregard for human life. That is NOT the same thing as being tough or able to fight. A lot of "street" folks are in bad physical conditioned and often undernourished and they often feel like they are made of paper when you come in actual contact with them. But if they shoot you that makes no difference. "Street fights' lead on of three places, Jail, the morgue or the hospital.

[@DeadBoneJones]

@@rodgerbane3825 Ring fights still have rules, forbidden holds and strikes, etc. you could just as easily argue those aren’t real fights either.

[@box02]

you have the best bit at the best angle. Thanks for capturing this.

[@dezinfectant]

waaaw.. Wu Lian Zhi x) I envy you guys. thanks for sharing the video!

[@brichess8227]

very beautiful demonstration at the end

[@martialhealth4062]

Fantastic!

[@Mengcunman]

next visit at the Baji Gathering on 17 and 18 May! Can be the last visit of Wu Lianzhi to Europe.

[@DirtyCasual36]

sir, would you by any chance have a video on liu da kai/liu da gai (six big openings)? that'd be great. thanks in advance.

[@Mengcunman]

so sweet !

[@rafax1784]

Es el mismo señor que en otro video sale dandole masaje a otro peleador?

[@ptong226]

this old man is a real master I don't want to mess with him hehehe

[@chaz4609]

His whole body is trained to be a battering ram.

[@ecnivmarng7163]

Everything is good, except that Master Wu should take care of his own health. I hope somebody will tell him to keep his incisors and straighten his back. Really have compassion on him. Hope for the best for him!

[@Zen-ep6mc]

Wulianzhi

[@kungfu8135]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@1xSuperman]

is this fighting style effective for self defense? I can't tell if they even have kicks and punches in this style.

[@amuroray2267]

li shu wen kill not just 1 but many , he is never been defeated but he is not kill somebody just because he didn't like it but always in a fight between warriors. the style had minimum defense always charging and it been officially used by bodyguards of 4 president of taiwan and china so yeah i think it will work well in real fight. but wu lianzhi baji isn't of li shuwen's lineage , he is from meng chun province the origin of the baji style , li shuwen's baji had piqua and bagua combine into it's style specially his disciple liu yun qiao who had more liberal view of martial arts.

[@KevinHuangPhasorQuantaG]

Any martial art is effective for self defense if you practice it correctly, and that goes for Bajiquan as well. Mao Zedong, Chiang Kai-shek, and Pu Yi had bodyguards trained in Bajiquan.

[@thos1618]

The guys with gloves on will soon discover that no one can make these moves effective while fighting at full-speed against a resisting, competent opponent.

[@nickliu9614]

sam there isn't any style that doesn't have kick and punches, maybe they are better at kicks and grab or punches, but they will always include somekind of kicks/grabs in their style. Style is more like the way you how you approach fights, not the actual way that you must fight. Bajiquan principle is always going forward, and bumb your enemy with your body. its essential to strike your enemy with your shoulder, knees and head in Baji. check this video if you like Bajiquan, skip to 6:30 and 16:30 for Demos. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2q2oJl4qtl_oZo

[@ahmadnurzam7402]

@@thos1618 Take those gloves off they will realize that in real fight your fingers are susceptible to break because you don't have protection.

[@tsukasakadoya5419]

A better demonstration is an actual fight

[@xinxincai2807]

omg i want to meet him too!

[@arturomontenegro9026]

Thats th 🐻 stile ...baji..💪

[@howardlam6181]

Never seen anyone be able to execute these techniques in a real fighting scenario.

[@shellyjm568]

Agree, MMA style is the one that reflect real fight

[@Tricroman]

An sport never can reflect a real fight.

[@Tricroman]

Execute in a real scenario? Then the presidents of China and Taiwan have been in danger, from a century the bodyguards of the presidents have been students of Baji Quan, for that reason is name "the bodyguard style".

[@OnyxXThePunch]

@@shellyjm568 lol no BJJ is not street effective wrestling to a small degree but that's only because you use it to get up. MMA as is is definitely not the end all beat all

[@trym2121]

If you want to see it then just follow those rich/powerful people that hired martial artist as bodyguard.

[@squifflessquaffles6339]

Baji is a good art. As an average Joe though, I can only nut kick, five star, and run hoping the guy attacking me doesn’t catch up. XD

[@thebuddhaofknowledgemichae2486]

Think of a spear. Pick a vulnerable point and throw your center into. The opponent will be knocked out.

[@wildman7220]

Nut kick doesn't work but vag punch does

[@watersc3018]

全是練了一輩子沒上過一次擂台的

[@canaldesugestoesa6651]

a jab is faster, they have not yet realized that in order to use a technique it needs to be continuous, and permissive opponent not retaliating.

[@Awakenedmind333]

Ah but timing is king 🙏

[@canaldesugestoesa6651]

@@Awakenedmind333 Time and space are crucial for an attack. without it there is no reason to attack, without a strategy, it's suicide, this "master" never fought, the tai chi guy who faced xu xiondong, having lost to xu, started fighting kickboxing made even a few fights, and it has evolved amazingly, just from the experience of catching it realized that choreography is bullshit but a real combat.

[@Awakenedmind333]

canal de sugestões A I feel like the idea behind forms and application training is to provide the foundation for appropriate conditioning and exercises dynamics. With that in mind, those who think combat will be anything like choreography or repetitive practice will be rudely disappointed.

[@sasoriko]

To the people that say that kung fu doesn't work or that technique wont work or whatever... You may be missing many things that make this work. If you look in the background you'll see that 1. These guys are making contact. 2. You may notice they are wearing gloves and protective gear for their legs. We call that a clue. 3. We don't see them wearing headgear or a mouthpiece so one might conclude this isn't a hard sparring day (if they have those). You can't learn to fight if you aren't making contact, you also can't learn to fight if you're constantly injured from practice. One criticism that I'd levy is that the application shown isn't a real technique. What I mean by that is in order to show an idea or a concept the student feeds a slow technique and the instructor then shows the technique or idea. That doesn't work, but it's no different in muay thai, boxing, bjj, wrestling or any of the "real" fighting styles. When we practice head movement in boxing for example you aren't drilling that technique against real full force hooks and uppercuts. Your trainer (if they have any sense) is using a rope or a pool noodle and moving at a controlled pace so you can feel out your body and learn positioning and develop your spacing and timing and footwork and balance. Then when you gain a level of proficiency they speed it up. Then they might get a focus pad and throw slow punches with their off hand so you can work your counters in as you practice movement. This is to build a skillset. I don't know this man so I can't say he's good, but I can't knock what I see. He is making contact with his students and has them geared up to make contact with each other. Where's the problem?

[@dagaffer2269]

It doesn't work in a real fight. All Kung Fu is BULLSHIDO. Stop making silly excuses.😂😂😂😂

[@user-sk2il8mt2b]

Box iz king.

[@blakeweaver5980]

We can dance if you want to we can leave your friends behind

[@potter3050]

And if you dont dance then your no friends of mine.

[@TheNguyen-es2rr]

Múa võ mèo

[@hungthinhart6519]

Đứng yên biểu diễn thì hay lắm, nhưng lên sàn đấu tự do thì nó đánh cho mà sắp mặt!

[@bigcatfearless4128]

ha ha ha very interesting.

[@voodostail]

Чем дольше живём тем больше понимаем

[@korlappanu6539]

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 lop

[@user-ei7qn6ew9v]

谁会让你准备好再和你打？，先和你说我出拳了啊，先从左边打你，然后你再反制我呀，1.2.3开始。。。。。

[@user-tf4dg3kq7n]

제자들 손도 안대고 다 쓰러트리던 고수 할배 종합격투기 선수랑 대결해서 코피 터졌죠.

[@Daniel-fm7pk]

Impressive.

[@tarcisiovinicios1460]

Entao ele so ta explicando a tecnica e deferente de aplicar um coisa e uma e outra e outra

[@DarkDiabolo]

Mit dem Hare Krischna Zeug kommst Du heute leider nicht mehr weit

[@jpegnow]

all this is impressive as demo in slow motion. Would like to see real effectiveness in a challenge with mma fighter XU Xiaodong !

[@jpegnow]

@Someone who know how to exactly , thats Y i want to see the real efficacy in a real fight.

[@Livingtree32]

@@jpegnow Xu Xiaodong was challenged by the guys from this lineage, but he didn´t accept. He only accepts challenges of the bullshit martial artists, when he knows he can beat them. In the case of Wu Baji he was scared he might lose.

[@jpegnow]

@@Livingtree32 WELL , Master Wu Lianzhi must insist and make a press conference !

[@TheKickeur]

Martial are is easy . IS somthing doesnt work,use boxing Many teachet forget to teach boxing to their student.

[@lilylily5553]

Wu Lianzhi is a great Ba Ji master ! i think he is the nine level in Chinese kung fu. ok, wrong, he is eight level, still not reach the nine level. He is great ! like him very much !

[@timelessJ]

lily lily who is the nine level then?

[@lilylily5553]

JlingX Jolly i only know one, Chen Xiaowang, chen tai chi, he seems the nine level. other people i don't know. and i really can not trust chinese martial arts level, who know whether some people don't know any martial arts, but have good relationship with the official, who knows this kind people whether also can get the nine level.

[@timelessJ]

lily lily yea, bitter truth i guess. one day, i believe chinese martial will raise again.

[@lilylily5553]

JlingX Jolly and i just know that Xing Yi quan master Song Guanghua is the kung fu level 10 , that is so terrible !

[@timelessJ]

lily lily how to level them, i wonder

[@festeringtomato]

Great for movies , no street fighting works like this

[@jevontandako7376]

me learn bajiquan

[@e22378]

No pressure testing so not real...

[@FoieGras]

e22378 😂😂😂

[@FoieGras]

I doubt that you’ve actually READ about the real fights in Bajiquan so you’re just talking out your ass. By that logic then 99% of MMA students’ skills aren’t real because they haven’t been “pressure-tested,” BUT I’m not arguing with trolls...

[@bvs9997]

@@FoieGras да ну расскажи сказки

[@kingschultz8299]

@@FoieGras MMA students spar on a weekly basis as part of their training. So yes, they do get pressure-tested. Meanwhile, it is difficult to find any footage of baji students doing actual sparring (drilling doesn't count). "I doubt that you’ve actually READ about the real fights in Bajiquan" Chinese martial arts has long had a problem of the stories circulated being exaggerated, misremembered, or even outright lies, often told to promote a style/school/instructor, or to give 'face' to someone else. This is extensively covered in Peter Lorge's book "Chinese Martial Arts - From Antiquity to the Twenty-First Century". So unless you have seen FOOTAGE of baji students/practitioners fighting and winning (footage which can be shared and cross-examined), then you don't have any tangible evidence of baji being effective in a fight. And if baji is so effective, it shouldn't be a problem for baji practitioners to win fights against other styles, record their wins, and share the evidence. And yet, there is a complete absence of proof that baji is good for fighting. There is virtually no footage of bajiquan winning fights.

[@bvs9997]

Посмотреть бы на них в полноконтактном спарринге

[@xihaowang7546]

any baji lovers in Canada? I want to try my wingchun with baji, will be very interesting.

[@randomdds]

I think there's a Bak Mei teacher in Canada. It's like a blend of Tai chi and Wing Chun, and is very effective. Fwiw, Tai chi and baji have similar power generation, but different emphasis

[@Livingtree32]

@@randomdds Bak Mei is not a blend of Taiji and Wing Chun, totally unrelated style with completely different principles. Also Baji and Taiji don´t have similar power generation. Actually they´re exactly opposite.

[@orangeiceice12]

Sick

[@namelesswarrior4760]

Excellent form of exercise but is it applicable in a real fight situation if you're not a advanced practitioner even if you were......I just don't know!

[@adamgroszkiewicz814]

Its not

[@curtrod]

there is an old famous saying in Chinese gongfu - it takes ten years training to be able to use your skills!

[@rololtololi545]

Hahahahha

[@Ggg-iw9xg]

오련지 노사 이빨이 빠지셨네!

[@michelaberaldo581]

Lu baochun

[@user-sk2il8mt2b]

Хахахахахаха. БОКС ЈЕ КРАЉ.

[@artedaguerrawushu6444]

É incrível, como tem gente que acredita nesses "mestres da guerra" 🤦🏻‍♂️❗ Será que em um confronto real , onde o agressor está disposto a acabar com a vida de sua vítima, esse mesmo agressor irá ficar parado esperando a reação da vítima ❓❓❓🤷🏽‍♂️ Esses vídeos deveriam ser proibidos, pois na vida real , o adversário se movimenta, não vem sozinho e está disposto a matar a vítima...

[@Xmj6919]

Sim .Essas encenações deviam realmente ser proibidas .Mas Baji Quan realmente é bom para defesa pessoal.

[@tarcisiovinicios1460]

Ele so estar explicando a tecnica animal. Entao tem que parado

[@philipearakaki]

A questão é que essas técnicas não são necessariamente pra serem usadas em brigas. Você tem que levar em consideração duas coisas, primeiro é que as formas são necessárias pra ensinar coordenação motora, controle corporal e disciplina, e segundo, explicar como funciona a biomecanica, sem entender como funciona uma junta, vc não vai conseguir aplicar uma imobilização corretamente.

[@tanwodan3689]

Mma

[@xyzxyz1908]

1%功夫 + 99%嘴炮 = 騙子

[@charlesting6022]

good++++++++++++++++++++++++

[@Livingtree32]

If you say so...

[@user-im9xq7fp5r]

love the white guy hold out a jab-looking punch still for 20 secs to show a sense of "...this will actually work on a boxer....". Not a chance in hell.

[@Non-Serviam300]

少川靖男 right. I’ve coached boxing and I’ve done karate/kungfu/chi Gung/tai chi and I agree with you. So many martial artists (including me at some point) think they know boxing; they don’t. Many who never do contact sparring or fighting think they can fight; they can’t. That said, I do know that chi gung and internal martial arts can really enhance health and fighting attributes and help a person spiritually and enhance quality of life👍🏻

[@donnchadhmcginley3153]

@@Non-Serviam300 what you've "done" and what you know can be two completely different things

[@bombastikderteutone6858]

@@donnchadhmcginley3153 so? He still on point

[@user-gt8cr8qp4f]

吴连枝，八极宗师啊

[@charlesting6022]

1%功夫 + 99%嘴炮 = 騙子

[@Livingtree32]

@@charlesting6022 Bullshit....

[@hamlinxiao228]

瞧把老外忽悠的😂😂😂

[@NT-kh2uu]

Bị đấm gẫy hết răng rồi vẫn còn dám dạy mấy trò này à.

[@thos1618]

Kung Fu is still practiced as a fighting art by those who wish to shelter themselves from reality. You will not find any evidence of any Baji master beating any 'sport art' like Muay Thai or Kyokushin, especially not using any movements shown here. You will never see these 'applications' work against a competent, resisting opponent. I

[@tolehieu1024]

A, This thing is battle tested on the street of Hongkong B, You based that on this guy? He's an old man who teach, the guy is not gonna break a bunch of bricks and shit. Tyson did not became D'amato's student because D'amato kicked the shit out of him but because D'amato had more knowledge about the game.

[@TheNightlord13]

Its a 2 minute form demonstration from a really old master way out of his prime.There's so much more to Baji especially when combined with its sister style pigua. Li shuwen killed people who challenged him using bajiquan. Look at this video for a better understanding of what this style is about kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGnIY2Odhpl3Y9U

[@begobolehsjwjangan2359]

body bash are not allowed in muaythai and kyokushin or any other sport art, Bajiquan practitioner can one-shot them with ease. im a pencak silat practitioner and i tell you this, my silat mentors always resort to bajiquan and/or xinyi liuhe quan when shit got serious.

[@fazares]

lol...a dashing baji elbow hurts now just like it did in the 1700's....sport o ring fighting is just that....good for spport or ring with different rule sets

[@kayban8218]

Fight with mma

[@andre366]

Never see real figth with MMA

[@Menyhard]

#bullshido

[@user-lv1yo2xo6p]

說的一嘴好功夫，真正跟拳擊手實戰馬上被 KO

[@Doge-ol6iu]

시기꾼

[@geazy8790]

Another example of BULLSHITTO

[@ahmadnurzam7402]

Well, ask li shuwen, mao zedong, pu yi and chiang kai shek

[@geazy8790]

Prime example of bullshitto

[@ahmadnurzam7402]

G Eazy Li shuwen killed many people in his fight using bajiquan. It is recorded that one time he fight person using his palm strike that he made an eye of his opponent came out of its socket. Mao zedong bodyguard was a student of Li Shuwen, Chinese Last Emperor Puyi was also being guarded by Huo Diange one of his student. His Last student, Liu Yunqiao, is a former secret agent and also an instructor of bodyguard of Presiden of Taiwan.

[@simple_guy123]

Muhammad Iqbal wow you sure had a lot of knowledge, i also study chinese for years but all i know is ba ji quan practitioner is recruited to protect the nation's leader, but you even know the name of the practitioner, nice research brother.

[@ahmadnurzam7402]

All Faith Nah, just reading a lot. It is very general fact though. People whose running his mouth without knowledge like the person above is the very pinnacle of stupidity.

[@The-Contractor]

Cooperative crap. Anything looks good in slow motion and no real force being exerted in the attack.

[@The-Contractor]

Yeah, I just hate it when a tree attacks me :)

[@lamxung5000]

That's not the point. If you can break a tree imagine what he can do to a human being Besides, these are just forms that you practice until it become a fast reflex, they're also just demonstrating here.

[@lamxung5000]

but that brute force is also skillful is it not? take skills to be that strong

[@The-Contractor]

Physical strength is NOT a skill. It is a physical attribute some of which is attributed to training and some comes from genetic inheritance. No "brute force" in the clip. Just bullshit let's pretend garbage.

[@The-Contractor]

Great, so when he is attacked by a tree he will be ready :)

[@keisuke185]

muay thai is better

[@UltimatePiccolo]

pretty dumb thing to say.

[@ironman2199]

You're an idiot. They all have their own way of doing things.

[@keisuke185]

ironman2199 try to fight this master to the muay thai fighter (buakaw) im gonna sure this master will gonna KO kung fooled is effective only in chinese kung fooled film

[@keisuke185]

Andi Petra i know muay thai is not kung fooled dont compare to kung fooled to muay thai because kung fooled is fake and bullshit kung fooled is choreograp only effective only in chinese kung fooled film

[@blob15man]

keisuke185 This guys grand son fought muay thai... and won

[@santanuroy9101]

These guys still believes that their dance/gymnastics is a fighting art! Do these guys never watch any boxing, bjj, mma or even kyokushin?