Seven Against Thebes || Mythology w/ Dael Kingsmill

This time on MonarchsFactory we revisit the story of the Seven Against Thebes, couched comfortably between the stories of Oedipus and Antigone. Honestly, y'all, Thebes is a mess.
The source for this story is spread across a half dozen texts.
You can find a translation of one of those texts here: www.theoi.com/Text/AeschylusS...
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[@chrisjames8979]

"Have I ever done Oedipus?" I don't know, but his mother has.

[@theGhoulman]

"golf clap"

[@deviousdelibird]

Eyyyyyy!

[@altromonte15]

The player: "I EAT HIS BRAIN!" Other players "Yeaaaah!! Wooow, Metal AF dude!!" The DM, crying in a corner "Ok. If this is how you want to do it, ok. None of you is getting out alive of this sess."

[@QuolashMCDuck]

when you call in a holy favor but behave so ungodly the favor is revoked

[@Madhattersinjeans]

Alright boys funs over. Rocks fall and one of you chumps dies.

[@TheBobWizard]

This whole story sounds like a D&D campaign turned into a TPK.

[@Kasarii]

"You're saying the head of the gods themselves launched a lightning bolt at me? Doesn't he have something better to do?" "Nope."

[@RebelstarDawn]

"Like a Boromir number of arrows" I SCREAMED

[@Dohlenblick]

Things get complicated on the battlefield when everyone is related to a god. Makes for uncomfortable dinners at Olympus I bet.

[@geoffdewitt6845]

This story has some of the best character names ever - my inner 12-year-old giggled every time "Tittius" was mentioned. And Dorkius. Damn.

[@shybard]

Dael "The Muscle" Kingsmill ^ I look forward to your wrestling debut.

[@paulwilson269]

This story sounds like a typical D&D adventure.

[@eriklindbergs5017]

I want to know who the DM was...

[@paulwilson269]

@@eriklindbergs5017 Probably Zeus 😁

[@pretsal4955]

@@paulwilson269 you cannot convince me Zeus plays anything but WH 40k and FATAL.

[@paulwilson269]

@@pretsal4955 what race do you think Zeus would play in 40K? 🤔😁

[@pretsal4955]

@@paulwilson269 Slaanesh? Those "Lord of Lechery" vibes probably really sync with the big man

[@minetteperezpoole1307]

I use your 1st 7 against Thebes video in my theatre class every year, as a bridge between reading Oedipus and Antigone. My students love it and so do I!

[@themantyf1116]

Ah, yeah, the classic party composition: the leader, the muscle, the muscle, the muscle, the brain, the muscle, the muscle.

[@mercyvanzyl316]

I have been wanting to make a Paladin called Tschad Bruh. And I feel like this video has so much inspiration for like Tschad energy and I love it.

[@Zengief77]

The Muscle!!!

[@eruantien9932]

I guess being a badass is genetic in mythohistorical Greece. Tydeus was the father of our boy Diomedes (of Iliad fame). To quote Helenus on Diomedes "... that savage spearman, ruthless deviser of panic rout, the one I reckon to be mightiest of the Achaeans. Not even Achilles, leader of men, caused us so much terror, and they say he is the son of a goddess. But this man's rage goes too far, and no man can match him in his fury." (book 6, lines 97-101) Also, Athene definitely liked this family. She wanted to make Tydeus immortal, and she totally had a crush on Diomedes; "Diomedes, son of Tydeus, delight of my heart..." (book 5, line 826)

[@rebeccamccreary8530]

A Boromir number of arrows. Ah, Dael's the best!

[@spacestationz]

“The city of Thebes or 7 muscly boys” Sounds like a chaotic stupid barbarian one shot

[@fhuber7507]

A Dael story is always entertaining.

[@abenerice]

"He approaches woman whose name might start with E"... so brilliant! Just ike the whole of this account of the 7 against Thebes (story which I discovered with you, and therefore I am absolutely unable to figure the actual orthograph of their names). And I love how you say "you know how the internet works". It's somewhat empowering! May the gods bless you.

[@parkerdixon-word6295]

I choose to see this as the Greeks distaff, weird counterpart to the Magnificent Seven Samurai.

[@shangc2781]

If we're going with western I choose to see it as "The Good, The Bad, The Ugly, And The Four Other Muscly Dudes"

[@eruantien9932]

The Magnificent Seven Samurai Against Thebes?

[@Resistant396]

Doesn't distaff mean female? I think I missed that part of the story.

[@nicholasvandervelden450]

@@Resistant396 spear counterpart, if you insist. works on lots of levels.

[@sadiemcc9363]

8:32 Well, if the wound didn't kill him, that probably would. Don't eat brains, y'all, prions are very scary and kuru has no cure.

[@Resistant396]

Kuru is native to New Guinea. That wouldn't have been even remotely close to be being a concern.

[@sadiemcc9363]

@@Resistant396 I'm pretty sure Kuru was only native to New Guinea because no where else in the world did people eat human brains. Could be wrong, but in any case, other prion diseases like Mad Cow and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease are all around the world.

[@alganhar1]

@@Resistant396 Sadie McC is correct, Kuru is 'native' to New Guinea because the particular form of cannibalism was native to the country, not because Prion diseases are native to it. Had the practice been more widespread you would see Kuru wherever that particular practice was common. Most Prion diseases, including Kuru, are caused by misfolded Prion Protein (PrP), which somehow is able to 'infect' other proteins around it causing them also to misfold. Why it misfolds, and how it causes other PrP molecules nearby to do so is to my knowledge unknown. What this *does* mean however is that most of the Prion diseases, such as CJD, GSS, FFI and Kuru are effectively the same disease, at least in the way the disease progresses. Ther are probably differences in how it originally occurs and spreads in each organism though. In all cases though they are neurological diseases, all are progressive, all are universally fatal, and none have cures....

[@Resistant396]

@@alganhar1 The problem is that kuru and other Prion diseases REQUIRE that the eaten brain be infected with misfolded proteins. If those proteins aren't present, it's impossible to get the disease from cannibalism. Otherwise every living being would get the disease regardless of whether they came in contact with it or not. Cannibalism doesn't CAUSE kuru or any other disease, it only spreads it. The same could be said for any transmissible disease, though.

[@sethsybrandy3218]

10:30, Excellent Strongbad reference.

[@MonarchsFactory]

👌

[@Novelty22155]

Y’know, I wish you could like something here multiple times. The energy is just immaculate

[@Lvl99BlackMage]

Enjoyed the video immensely. 1000/10 ARROWED!!! for a fellow Teen Girl Squad connoisseur.

[@jasonerwin9909]

Soooo..good

[@345dane]

Your original vid on Seven against Thebes was one of my favs glad you revisited it Dael!

[@EscapeePrisoner]

I'm here for the telling, more than the Myth.

[@williamsteer]

"Have I done Oedipus?" phrasing that might get one called into H.R.

[@shangc2781]

Oedipus himself is a walking HR nightmare.

[@FlamingoKicker]

damn....beat to the punch line

[@AlmostCotton]

I don’t think I’ve been this early ever before! I love your mythology and D&D videos, and these stories are fantastic.

[@rebeccamccreary8530]

Happy Dael Day!!!

[@daydev2599]

3:40 and onward: mythology teaching us about pitfalls of mandatory binding arbitration.

[@aditipurohit984]

I choked lmao

[@LynWise1]

I love your mythology videos

[@Evershear]

That was so fun. thanks for sharing

[@hcazmail]

Props for the Strong Bad - Teen Girl Squad reference at 10:30

[@magecraft2]

Yay story time with Dael :)

[@blackhillsbirder881]

Good stuff, had never heard of it!

[@ctso74]

I was thinking less Fast and Furious, and more screwball comedy, like Dumb and Dumber. "Seven Blokes A Bumbling"? Of course, Adam Sandler and Jim Carrey would have roles.

[@Charolette21]

Exactly!

[@denolaj]

Let's round out the cast. Jack Black? The Rock Johnsson? Who else?

[@Charolette21]

Nikolaj Bourguignon Michal Serra or Jessie Eisenburg?

[@xelacremant7396]

Dael, you are comedy gold. I want tot see this movie so bad xD

[@jacobgarcia5542]

Woooo, more mythology!

[@jacobgarcia5542]

What a fantastic video! So fun! Thank you Dael!!!

[@RighBread]

I had to watch 2:49 like a dozen times because it was just so dang good.

[@tengwean6182]

I was wondering when you started ending the vid with “email this to your grandma...” and I think I found the first video: It’s 5.5 years old and called “Buying board games!” It’s been a kinda interesting journey from the first vid to that one :-)

[@TheDungeonCoach]

I’m doing a new backdrop on my channel and I’ve always loved yours! It lets us all instantly get an idea of who you are as a person! It does bother me that your cube isn’t solved though! I used to do those hard core haha! GREAY STORY!! I could listen to you read the three little pigs and be engaged the whole time!

[@66Xeno]

Great, now I have Dumb Ways to Die stuck in my head.

[@feitocomfruta]

I remember you doing a GS vlog on Oedipus

[@Timby_]

I love these frat boys!

[@canebro1]

"You know how the internet works." LOL :)

[@Magic__7]

I liked this

[@yager6627]

A horse with human feet. Totally making it up. Lol. You still need a new stuffed animal.

[@ryanpratt6993]

Amphiares’s Player: Wait. I’m dead? DM: No, you’re just in the Underworld now. You’ll get out eventually. Other players: What the heck, Jeff? Why does he get to live?

[@QueenofCountry13]

I really really want to do something like this with history...so badly

[@Torlik11]

It was kinda funny to have her complain about a too hot weather while waiting for the bus at -10°C.

[@mndrew1]

The not so magnificent seven; directed by and starring Kenneth Branaugh.(sp)

[@CitanulsPumpkin]

13:00 it's funny but this story was written as a different genre. It's called Seven Samurai and they framed it like the 7 muscly boys rushing to their deaths was a good thing. Also, watch when you make another video about witchcraft in D&D. Your mummified house eld has been animated through necromancy.

[@davidioanhedges]

Eriphyle was persuaded by the necklace of Harmonia

[@MonarchsFactory]

AHA! Thank you! I knew it started with E

[@samchafin4623]

Two human feet on the right side of a horse is the kind of bizarre fever-dream hallucinatory detail that only shows up in mythology. No one with an editor would be allowed to include such a weird, and ultimately nonsensical detail.

[@Drawoon]

Yoooo did you see this new movie that's coming out? "D&D: honor among Thebes". It sounds right up your alley.

[@cacklebarnacle15]

i think i remember you doind a video about oedipus

[@Huw_Morgan]

Love this tale - the Monty Python movie we never had.

[@dustyprater7884]

Great video!! Quick Question: Wasn't Creon also an Oracle?

[@ashleyhoughton8592]

This story was absolutely created as a bed time story for young boy. That boy absolutely would've played DnD in the modern age.

[@joereilly7082]

Google "tom lehrer oedipus rex" if you want a quick laugh.

[@tychoinshadows]

Can confirm. This book from the 18th Century makes mention of Arion being able to speak and having 'human-like' hands on one side instead of normal horse's feet. A Classical Manual: Being a Mythological, Historical, and Geographical Commentary on Pope's Homer and Dryden's Aeneid of Virgil

[@geoffdewitt6845]

My God, it's the Iliad meets Clerks meets Idiocracy....

[@Dave-ct1jk]

Omg, greek mythology fast and the furious. That's a new franchise waiting to happen!

[@DaBezzzz]

At least my life isn't as big a clusterfuck as this

[@bonelessskeletonghost]

This has the structure of a haunted house story, only the haunted house is a war between idiots.

[@magecraft2]

That was one creepy ass bear :)

[@adirmugrabi]

my grandma didn't like the cat at the end

[@seamusfinlayson8708]

This is better than netflix

[@gokukevind]

Ahh the memories of the Thebaid.

[@russellewing3034]

You are great two suggestions the myth of superman re the book of lies and kill bill . Perseus and Andromeda tied to the constellation re chaucer's Canterbury tales

[@johncross5339]

Seven Fast and Furious Against Thebes confirmed

[@matthewgoodman7588]

13:41

[@kirkheisterkamp6988]

This might be the Mendela effect at work, but I am 99.875% sure you've done the Oedipus story before.

[@yager6627]

Something to blow your mind the seven samurai may have gotten inspired by this myth.

[@aoiyuureisuru7656]

Dun dun dun... another one bites the dust..

[@michaelsommers2356]

I wish I could give your videos infinite likes.

[@seedless9746]

I just wondered, how many of us are actually emailing this to our grandmas? I sure never did, but my grandma is 85, has no computer and doesn't speak english. I hope that others do email tho, every grandma should see Dael :D

[@melissaramla2984]

I would, however given that my grandma and Dael's grandma are the same person, she's already subscribed but I'd also like to know that

[@melissaramla2984]

No Dael, you havent ever done oedipus... EDIT having just got to the end: Hey! The Gentleman!!!!!

[@ilfedarkfairy]

Is there anything in greek mythology that is not cursed? o.O

[@jessmith7324]

More singing lol

[@michaelvillegas7158]

So beautiful. Like a wallaby.

[@CRabbit42]

Seven guys try to take over a city...Was alcohol involved? Because that seems like something a group of drunk dudes might try to do.

[@jnever9768]

I want to name one of my NPCs after dael, don't worry I can't do the accent, but I wasn't sure what race or vocation to give her...any thoughts people?

[@eruantien9932]

Well, I think bard is fairly obvious. History and Religion are musts for skill proficiencies.

[@melissaramla2984]

Given her propensity to react to startles by going for the closest weapon, maybe rogue?

[@DMRaptorJesus]

So like your typical adventuring party?

[@MonarchsFactory]

All fighters with one divination wizard

[@YourFunkiness]

7 Samurai meets Jackass.

[@SuperAlexfarmer]

Yo homie. I commented on your FB page any recommendations would be great

[@leviphipps2462]

Wait. Wait. It's pronounced EEdipus?

[@ollie__reid]

like,,,, in greek? its spelled oidipous and pronounced (i believe) oy-di-pus. but oedipus is iirc the more latinzed version and commonly pronounced with the ee sound at the start yeah

[@mjacton]

For what it's worth, American pronunciation guides prefer edipus, with eedipus being the second choice.

[@sebasculin3739]

So this is the story of "The Moronic Seven"?

[@bobjones8892]

OMAR IS GREAT

[@jacobwillis7596]

This is what happeneds when most of the party the muscle. Bad team comp

[@Charolette21]

So this is a screwball comedy version of The Fast and The Furious?

[@Bear_wonder]

here from the discord

[@divantemalachi9587]

Too much muscle not enough brain

[@Taurusus]

It *is* too hot.

[@sanjaysingle7345]

Hey baby I one biggest mistake ....

[@benwilson1088]

, so what you are saying is don't do the expected.

[@adirmugrabi]

No you didn't, untill today

[@JPGotrokkits]

You've never done Oedipus, but Oedipus did his mom; amiright!?

[@mexicanmuslim]

Atlantis was real. It's in the Richat structure in Mauritania, the rings of land are perfect in size and there's evidence of there once being water there. We need an in depth Archeology team looking for reminants

[@MonarchsFactory]

I mean... I do actually agree, the evidence is pretty convincing, but I'm a little confused as to the relevance?

[@rhueoflandorin]

first :3

[@akraftybasterd3489]

+

[@nomisama7186]

So stealing this idea. Fast and the furious but with chariots omg lol