Mono Red Goes Undefeated in major cEDH tournament? | Marchesa 2022 Top 4 Breakdown

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Today brings some insanity as I break down perhaps the spiciest cEDH Top 4 ever on this channel!
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[@marclosonti6376]

The guy who won with Magda is a manager at my local game store!! Insane.

[@WorldlyTutor]

That Heliod deck is pipin' hot. Lost to Charles on Ao recently. Similarly, I wasn't disappointed at all, but rather appreciative of having lost to a really cool line. The guy has some deep knowledge of this format.

[@otaviofranco8341]

You appeared in my feed and boy, what a gift. I liked this kind of deck discussion.

[@bududao]

Magda is a wonderful deck and it was with him that I managed to reach the TOP4 of the Commander 500 promoted by cEDH Brasil last year. A wonderful deck that works from a budget of R$50.00 to as much as you have to spend. Thanks Nogueira!

[@AdamGoldbergOmaha]

I'm pretty sure that Magda is a her, not a him.

[@SamuelKacerik]

@@AdamGoldbergOmaha I believe they refered to "the deck" considering how some languages work.

[@bududao]

@@AdamGoldbergOmaha Sorry but my translate do this. I dont speak english.

[@bududao]

@@SamuelKacerik Yes! I translate from pt-br.

[@5zero3audits39]

Thanks for letting me get a picture with you Ian! My friends wouldn’t have believed I met you otherwise.

[@Dafins100]

Such a SPICY 🥵 top 4!!! Insanely fun. Love the format right now. Mono red and mono white in the finals?!?!

[@golgariguy]

Both the Magda deck and the Heliod deck look incredibly cool. When I heard that Ilavaldi had made the top 4 with Heliod, I had just assumed it was Heliod, Sun Crowned... Turns out I underestimated his prowess with mono White!

[@RandyTheSavage5150]

Awesome to see Magda do so well. I have been testing various Magda builds for a few months and settled in on using Reckless Fireweaver as the wincon to ping down the table. I also have the Elixir + Pyrite spellbomb loop as a back up.

[@aidenwalsh4320]

So glad that people finally discovered this mono red menace !

[@sebastianthomese5369]

As a Magdaplayer myself i am happy to see my Girl shows her potential in such a great tournament. Also much potential to toolbox around with these great artifacts. With this Deck you always doing something :D

[@roryhughes385]

Brilliant Content! Really enjoyed this video, great to see such awesome brews in the top 4 🤘🏻

[@thevainestsafe]

I was seriously so shocked to see so many mono colored decks taking down the tournament! Really crazy stuff! I actually got to meet the Magda player at this tournament. Really nice guy, and he really opened my eyes to some super interesting new ideas I hadn't thought of before. One thing he told me, that I really wasn't so sure of is that your real name is Ian, and that your name is actually a part of your KZbin account name! That's such a crazy coincidence! Did you know about this?

[@jonaswilliams9755]

Koibito was so excited that he made top 16, and he ended up taking 1st place. He's a local friend who I've played with a ton.

[@ComedIanMTG]

He was a very humble and pleasant opponent to play with :)

[@SterlingEntertainmentStudio]

First video of yours to pop in my recommended, super interested in seeing more videos in the future! As a returning magic player, having you break down some of these newer cards in a way I can understand was really nice

[@poofypeanut0221]

Wow I didn't realize at first you had your own channel. (I don't play cedh, nor do o have interest to, but I love listening to the thoyghts /patterns with it). Man these.videos are enjoyable. You've got a great flow through the video and your points come off fluidly. Cheers to another great mind that's blessed the community as a whole 😁🙏

[@dimitriosdoulgeris4659]

I guess this video answers quite accurately which color combination, specifically which mono colored-deck and commander, is the most powerful in our format. My best friend also brewed Madga as soon as she was spoiled. Man, this deck is really rough, buddy. Thank you, Ian. You're awesome.

[@crovax1375]

I love seeing new decks shatter expectations!

[@davidiswhat]

Are any of the games recorded? The white deck is quite spicy. The no Sol Ring logic reminds me of some optimized Feather decks.

[@ComedIanMTG]

The stream is on Monarch Media's twitch

[@FrancisSalois]

Good lord the thumbnail is perfection

[@CharlotteMimic]

I would love to see a video with Charles/by Charles explaining how to pilot the Heliod deck.

[@CharlotteMimic]

Oh this Magda deck is brilliant

[@hawkicelol]

charles is such a beast. one hell of a magic player.

[@dasfabelwesen]

Heliod, God of the Sun? 75 min? How did that happen?

[@Ilvaldi]

You play very fast and your stax is comprehensive enough that your opponents should not linger on any decision too long because they typically don’t have many. On top of that judges will issue you slow play warnings if you’re found taking too long of a time performing/deciding on a game action. In EDH games, the Stax player is typically not the one who is slow. It’s the combo player who’s not prepared to execute their combo in a compREL setting/make decisions in the face of Stax/potential interaction (i.e., a combo player taking 5 minutes to decide whether she should cast a mystical tutor because she’s afraid someone has an Opp Agent and deliberates back and forth on whether they have it or not is considered slow playing). I did only lose one game with this deck, and drew in my last on day 1 according to @ComedianMTG. The one game I lost in swiss was due to me not making the correct decision on which Stax piece to play, so I felt I also could have won that game if I played correctly. In each of my games, aside from the last, I never felt I had to call the judge for slow play.

[@dasfabelwesen]

@@Ilvaldi Wow, thanks for the detailed answer and congratulations on your placement. I cannot say that I am not surprised that this deck did so well.

[@PaleoDrew]

Great breakdowns! Yeah, I love cEDH, its such a wide and varied format, despite the popular opinion that its the same cards and colors over and over again

[@evilfridolin]

A friend of mine built a budget Magda deck. He called it "dwarf and dragon tribal". We didn't expect him to win the first 3 games he played with it. :D

[@pauldyson8098]

As a longimte (non-cEDH) Magda player, my ONLY issue here is that I think that I'm going to get targeted even more no that our girl is putting up results like this!

[@ComedIanMTG]

Definitely a real side effect for sure

[@marvel_imagine1713]

Thumbnail on point

[@countqueso1286]

Reasons why the Heliod deck was the most interesting in the top 4. 1/42

[@bigschaeff1]

That white deck is sick

[@calebcolours2378]

The Queen (under the mountain) takes her throne! Why everyone gets Ouphe/Linvala in their opening hand vs my Magda deck I will never know. Glad the Maskwood Nexus line after clock is actually this viable. My finish is kiki+WG w/terror of the peaks. I call it Smaug combo exiling all the dwarves in a never ending battle to reclaim the mountain. Edit: Also didn’t think you mentioned how the liquimetals turn your artifact removal into permanent removal. Which is awesome with with vandalblast.

[@HavoCentral]

magda went 5-1 at the god of commander event in japan recently as well. the best part about magda is once you have the win, you can just sit there until you are forced to go for it. to bait out interaction. its very strong. I dont think the dragon prospector combo is needed because you can also just cast bolt infinitely but its solid enough Stickfingers also has raz lines that are really strong

[@brandonpriddy1783]

How do you cast bolt indefinitely? 🤔 plz share ur knowledge to this pleb.

[@HavoCentral]

@@brandonpriddy1783 you have Academy manufacturer to draw your entire deck and then you just use elixir of immortality to loop lighting bolt or whatever damage spell

[@brandonpriddy1783]

@@HavoCentral thank you very much 🙇‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙇‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙇‍♂️

[@mandielyn0416]

Funny, I just read the primer on Magda last week and pulled out all of the cards I already own.

[@jasonb.3907]

Great video as usual! Also, have Ye(va) heard the good news? Lol

[@thezerowulf2046]

I'd be curious what your thoughts on ognis are with Magda now.

[@classicsidepart1477]

I am quite surprised we don't see Ruthless Technomancer in the Raza Red build.... Saccing Docko to Raza to get a card while paying 4 (2B plus saccing one treasure) with Technomancer to bring Docko back and go mana positive seems like super busted.... But still ..neat video and an amazing event!!!!

[@roygrossmann2652]

Did the heliod player ever happen to mention why they were running ghost quarter instead of strip mine? only real synergy I noticed was with flagstones

[@JoevilleManabat]

I guess that is meant for long game purposes as you can ghost quarter your own land to filter your deck if you are already flooded with lands

[@Ilvaldi]

Ian posted your question on Twitter and I responded there, but I'll answer here, too. The answer to this question can be found on my 8.5 tails deck on Moxfield (so yeah, no wonder no one knows because the answer is in a completely different deck). In the comments section for that deck, I wrote: "If you ghost quarter someone and they say they have no basics, that's free information about their deck. It helps you make decisions about whether they could potentially be on a hermit druid line or not. If you ghost quarter them and they say they "only have 3 basics in the deck," you now have information on what the ceiling for a card like Winds of Abandon could be like (you might not run it, but other opponents do). If you ghost quarter someone after they mystical/enlightened/worldly tutor for a card, and they decide the land is worth more than the card they tutored for--again, that's free information. Basically, strip mine is played as an answer to a problematic land like Gaea's Cradle, but Ghost Quarter can be an answer to something like Cradle and also give you free information about your opponent."

[@roygrossmann2652]

@@Ilvaldi could you post the link to your moxfield so I could check out your other lists?

[@Snypsas]

As a person who participated in that tournament, what are some of your thoughts on the Krark and tournament cedh environment question?

[@ComedIanMTG]

Oh man I could do a whole video on this. I am happy to explain further but the tldr is that the deck is pretty clearly unhealthy for tournament play.

[@Snypsas]

@@ComedIanMTG Well then I will happily wait for this video when you run out of ideas/find time to do that

[@ChichimonLeagues]

There are just a few choices I can't seem to understand with Ivaldi's Heliod deck. Why would you play Fall of the Thran but not Armageddon or Ravages of War? Surely not just for devotion. Also, Heliod's Punishment? Why not Journey to Nowhere?

[@ComedIanMTG]

"It's tutorable within the color pie unlike the sorceries" -ilvaldi

[@shanedubbs4830]

I wonder what this says about decks that use it as one line of game play. Vape farm is what comes to mind for me. But there might be a better example of it as a "secret commander"

[@turtlefuck6969]

Thoughts on running Consecrated Sphinx instead of Vilis while not running Unmarked Grave?

[@BigDirtyWon]

Great Video! Just Awesome 👍😃 TY

[@poipoi9816]

Super sick top 4. What was the spiciest deck you played against that didn't make top 4?

[@ComedIanMTG]

There was Fenix's AO list

[@poipoi9816]

@@ComedIanMTG aah yes, I've heard tales of White Ad Naus!

[@jtb818]

Hi, I’m new to cedh, but it looks like so much fun, so swapping some legacy staples for a deck and my eyes are set on Magda. Would you mind sharing some good Twitter handles to follow? You mention the Heliod guy, but now I can’t find him.

[@ComedIanMTG]

Sure! Mine is I my description: twitter.com/ComedIanMTG Then Ilvaldi is twitter.com/ilvaldi

[@alexbriscolino270]

I clicked on this video solely because of the thumbnail lol

[@whitesmith5985]

I'm not a pro cedh player, and actually I've never played cedh, but in the Magda deck for the most part it looks amazing, but the combo line seems too long honestly, like you could take the dragons out as well as zorn, and play an creature that deals 1 damage to each opponent whenever an artifact enters the battlefield, giving you more room for other stacks pieces or another way to combo off. But obviously this guy knows what he's doing so safe bet is that he's done what he's done for a reason Xorn* (Reckless Fireweaver) I also say this because reckless fireweaver doesn't target, just deals damage, as well as it just doesn't get disrupted by graveyard hate, with the dragon/elixir loop. Oh just realised, with my way if winning you wouldn't be able to do it at instant speed then would you, sorta defeating the whole purpose

[@whitesmith5985]

Also to think the Will Smith slap was a whole 4 months ago hahah

[@ComedIanMTG]

@@whitesmith5985 I released this video that week

[@AimTech]

Been playing magda for a while its my favorite deck by far that. I do however think now its mire well known after the tornament it wont do as well

[@scooberz2015]

Undefeated MAGDA champion yet its somehow NOT the spiciest result. Freaking Heliod, Non-Sun Crowned. Charles is proof that this format is far more open that folks believe. Yes, Charles is probably one of the greatest MtG players of all time. Constant success with mono W is what convinced me to give Adeline stax a shot and its genuinely been just as successful as my stock Tevesh + Kraum Naus list. Now I'm just waiting to see; "Ilavaldi - Marchesa 2023 - Champion" COMMANDER: Isamaru, Hound of Konda

[@kuroshinko427]

Academy Manufactor would be wild in this deck. It can be Xorn #2 in this deck.

[@ComedIanMTG]

It actually wouldn't net mana because it only makes the other types

[@ethanstates884]

@@ComedIanMTG couldn’t you use the two other artifacts the manufactor produces to untap the treasures to produce the mana instead of having to make two treasures with xorn?

[@sppon8845]

I thought the infinite mana with Magda is tapped, how do you use the exlir of immortality? I might be missing something

[@andreasroyem3937]

Well he got xorn and from that he will gain mana

[@poofypeanut0221]

I wonder if Charles has ever thought about Planar Birth being a card or not?

[@Ilvaldi]

I have, and it was in the deck for a while, actually.

[@poofypeanut0221]

No way! So cool. I don't play cedh but I enjoy hearing everything about it. I have an Obuun deck with Planar Birth and its over performed each time and made me think "I bet there is some serious cedh applications for this". Cool to know.I wasn't far off! Thanks for the reply and congrats on your plays during Marchesa!

[@Ilvaldi]

@@poofypeanut0221 Thanks! Yeah, Planar Birth was also in my Elesh Norn list for a while. If people thought Winds of Abandon, Back to Basics, and Blood Moon were good enough due to the meta, it made sense imo that you could get away with Planar Birth. The only reason why it's no longer in the list is because I found myself/my playstyle nowadays no longer needing a Planar Birth and being able to win the attrition game even without needing to break parity on MLD.

[@poofypeanut0221]

Good to know thank you for the further insight! I'm personally not a.fan of mono white but it is cool to see someone taking it to that next level and show everyone how its done!

[@hellNo116]

red deck wins but it is combo? ok I wanted to build magda, I haven't decide the power level for her. Proxy cedh seems to be the way

[@ComedIanMTG]

Yeah definitely proxy! It's a great way to test what you enjoy

[@HalleniumGaming]

Krark

[@bowlofcrunchygranola]

I second this notion

[@antoinelandry7534]

I third this comment

[@PhoenixRNH]

You all called heads and flipped tails, goodbye

[@starmanda88]

Yes!