MonteCristo Accuses BDS of Getting LEAKED Scrims | Doublelift Reacts to BDS Adam & MonteCristo Drama

[@reidmaetani3127]

If you watch LEC’s PGL (interview at the end of the match), Broken Blade explains how BDS likely knew/expected the lane swap since BDS was the first to bring the Sion lane swap to the LEC last year lol. He also says how NIP did it in the LPL three days ago.

[@XIplupIX]

While I also think that Monty is wrong, was BDS lane swapping? Didn't Adam just stay bot and dive early and tp top? Or did they had other games where their bot actually went top?

[@zealous404]

@@XIplupIX The point wasn't BDS doing the lane swap; it was them having the knowledge that G2 was attempting the lane swap strat While the way BDS dealt with the lane swap wasn't perfect and they did not counter it perfectly, the point Monte is trying to make is in regards to them pre-positioning at red quadrant jungle lv1

[@XIplupIX]

@@zealous404 ? Don't blindly repeat stuff you hear or read from content creators. Go think and actually argue with people about the stuff they write. People claim BDS did lane swap in the past but I just remembered them having popularized sions starting bot with their bot for a dive or some jungling and then tping top afterwards. But not actually having their bot swap top. I was wondering if I maybe missed one game where they actually swapped so I asked for an example. Really curious how you answer to me noe what the point of Monty was.

[@zealous404]

@@XIplupIX Fair I've misread your comment, personally, I don't remember any instance of BDS doing a lane swap outside of the Sion wave 2 bot lane dive, and that barely counts as lane swapping I don't know why people would bring that up nor use that as part of the argument in BDS' defense because it seemed rather irrelevant to this situation even if proven true

[@Tyysst]

@@zealous404 on top of that doublift is jsut lying in this video for 0 reason after going through every t1 game since msi of last year they have not lane swapped once. He is just lying for free.

[@ethernet389]

"my alt is pantsaredragon" is a gem

[@Heylow]

Whats more believable: Leaked scrims, prepped for lane swaps, completely dizzy and lose anyways No leaked scrims, "Guys i think theyre doing the lane swap thing", does basic lvl1 strat, gets completely dizzy and loses cause they havent prepped for lane swapping

[@RinReforged]

Fellas, is it leaking scrims if the strat has been around for years

[@diogoavelino6046]

Weird how they got turbo stomped 2 games by a strat that's been around for years. There's no way you need prep to play against it. Maybe bds bet on G2 winning and should be investigated

[@HoldMyAlmondMilk]

Leaking Scrims has been around for longer, that more believable

[@FortheWolf]

Lane swapping occurs in less than 1% of games, regardless of champs played. Picking Sion COULD infer a Sion dive strat but that is DIFFERENT to lane swapping. Not sure if disingenuous or unintelligent.

[@raphael6273]

@@FortheWolf Sure but the main tell was Jinx Lulu but against Varus Ashe. It's never going to be laneable unless G2 tries something weird, and BDS just makes an easy read. And again, laneswap had just been tried in the LPL days before the match, so it's impossible for BDS to not have information about it.

[@FortheWolf]

@@raphael6273yes, a single lane swap with a different matchup in a different region indicates that a lane swap is inevitable.

[@hamburgerlover9825]

dude it's so obvious that BDS didn't have access to G2 scrims they were so fucking dizzy because of the swapping and clearly did not prep for it

[@doof497]

I agree. They at most might have heard that G2 was doing it in scrims (without seeing it) and I even doubt that. It was quite obvious due to the Sion pick wich is probably why they choked and didn't expect it when G2 used Zac later on. That and Jinx already being top when they warded toplane.

[@SirRubixx]

@@doof497 “League analysts/fans” after looking at G2 vs BDS draft in game 1 : *nothing, crickets, absolute silence* “League analysts/fans” 2 seconds after BDS pincer G2 as minions are crashing in lane: “I fucking knew it was a lane swap, that shit was so obvious as soon as I saw sion”

[@landonhendrickson3000]

I mean Labrov could have gotten information independently of his team on the scrims and just didn’t share with the team until draft. I’m not saying that he did do it but it is a possibility, no?

[@yyoksetioxd]

maybe I'm remembering wrong but wasn't the BDS strat (that T1 did too) just diving with Sion lvl 1 and jungle lvl2/3? I don't remember any lane swaps by BDS nor any other kind of lane swap. Doublelift example wasn't a lane swap either just a bad executed dive. One dude moving is not a swap by definition.

[@Bergyn]

Finally someone sees it. Exactly! The strat DL said is Sion diving bot lvl 1 AND tping back top and laning top vs top and bot vs bot which is not at all what happened here in G2 vs BDS ( even tho i dont think the scrims got leaked, im just saying it is not the same strat)

[@GroundationOnly]

T1 never did this at worlds

[@yyoksetioxd]

@@GroundationOnly T1 did at MSI 2023 vs geng. What's your point and why does it matter if they did it in worlds or MSI? And iirc they did that vs GenG and GenG showed it like 1 or 2 games before.

[@GroundationOnly]

@@yyoksetioxd my point is he said they did it at worlds, when Zeus didn't even play Sion at worlds. Shows you how much DL prepared for this take. And even at msi this was not remotely close to what bds did. Did you even watch either of the games?

[@GroundationOnly]

@@jak4130 yeah, he's also known to be a notorious liar and making things up but his fanbase will obey to anything he says...

[@Shreddasaurus]

This is my major issue with Dom, Thorin and Monte. Their egos are out of this world. They would rather quadruple down than to admit fault. They also post inflamatory assumptions like this, then play it off like "I didnt say they DEFINITELY did it!", bro "Clear as day" is basically the same as the prior statement. I like some of their content, but man, their egos are insane.

[@Zmargo702]

Dom doubling and tripling down on the T1 thing confirms this btw. Their egos are on another level. They believe that they are always on the right side of whatever happening and that anyone calling them out is just uneducated/doesnt know what theyre talking about. I like Dom but this is getting egregious.

[@doloran-]

It's literally insane that you unironically wrote this comment under a Doublelift video. A guy who was openly fucking the president of his team while he was playing for them and wouldn't admit that it was a conflict of interest. Surely you aren't talking about egos.

[@doloran-]

So it's ok to write slanderous comments about other people but if I write factual things that Doublelift did in real life they get removed. Sick 😷

[@MustardOverlord]

I know he makes content with them, but I really don't think this is a fair read on Dom. I don't think he would post some shit like this with 0 evidence.

[@MustardOverlord]

​@@Zmargo702Faker literally confirmed what Dom said lmao

[@shina3469]

Love how DL has become a league pro scene drama analyst channel now, so entertaining keep it up dude.

[@hanannyg]

Incredible how everyone who interacts with Thorin ends up being a total piece of shit... Garbage stick together huh

[@kell2851]

MonteCristo was a pretentious dick back in the day too. People were just too busy riding the Monte+Doa duo dick to admit it.

[@MrDespisedIcon]

All of them somehow become his puppets too, just having the exact same opinions as him and talking the same way.

[@FortheWolf]

You are supporting Doublelift who cannot string two coherent sentences together without contradicting himself.

[@nd7231]

@@FortheWolfthe dude is actually one of the most well spoken pros. You’re clearly a blubbering idiot if put anywhere in a public setting 😂

[@XaladinPalantir]

Christ, DL still doesn't know what a lane swap? How long has this man been a pro lmfao

[@Zmargo702]

Monte and Thorin are the biggest plagues on todays scene imo. They’re always the ones looking at the bad side of whatever is going on. If there’s a negative angle possible, or sometimes even if theres not, they’re gonna ride that negativity to more interactions every time. They could at least TRY to be like their hero, Richard Lewis, and come with a whole bunch of sourced information to back up their claims. But they almost NEVER do.

[@yassirelhidani6803]

It's their style of being annoying as hell , it gains engagement and clicks , and just make them relevant in the scene , because they have nothing to add really to the scene , so they have to be bunch of pricks. It is what is that's how bad the community is getting and people are falling for it.

[@yasuoarima6022]

If you hate them for those reason you must hate DL the most becaus he never has any information and doesnt remember most of it correctly if he does have it.

[@Lusowrath]

There's no way to have a SOURCE for this. No pro is going to admit to leaking scrimp, think about what you're saying for a second. What possible source could he have, it's an intuition based on watching the game for years and the fact that the play they made was incredibly suspect.

[@sethb.9601]

Monte is like that ex-gf that still stalks you 10 years later. This dude over here responding to valid arguements with ad hominems. Good job Monte!

[@Lusowrath]

Actually it was Adam who used ad hominem, nt tho

[@MusicHound18]

No way why didn’t a lane swap happen at all the entire season with comps and similar bot diffs occurring until nip like 2 days prior and g2 this game. Of course it’s simple and clearly obvious they would lane swap when 2 games out of like 260 for the season for the game had a lane swap. One of which happened a day or 2 prior and the other is this game. That seems so obvious…insert sarcasm meme

[@jibbyjubes5747]

Just because a team has no experience to a strat doesn’t mean they’re incapable of counterstratting on the fly.

[@mlm5150]

The reason why Regi, Thorin and Monte all hate each other is because they are so similar that it's freaky. They act like children who get pissed when they don't get their way.

[@ReddishBocarnity]

Is this really a surprise, the guy associates himself heavily with Thorin

[@TheRealSonicBeats]

Once again, Monte putting his whole foot in his mouth

[@mmattheussiqueira]

LMAO

[@raphaelgarcia1985]

Factually wrong on what lmao? The cheating ?​@@jak4130

[@MrDespisedIcon]

@@jak4130more successful, famous, skilled and respected

[@SirRubixx]

⁠​⁠@@MrDespisedIconmore successful? Monte was considered the king of LOL casting in the world, DL has never made top 8 at worlds. Famous? Sure but so is Adin Ross, Logan Paul, Elon, what’s your point? Skilled? Not really apples to apples now is it. Respected? Yah you’re just on crack with this one lmao

[@BenTheKidd]

never thought i'd be on Adam's side about anything. definitely didn't have that on my 2024 league bingo card

[@azdixon7700]

Monte & Thorin have been a disgrace to themselves and the scene for years. I’m not personally a fan of Dom but I don’t think when fans lump him in with them.

[@Pineapplelesspineapplepizza]

Care to explain how they have been a disgrace to the scene for years?

[@brendon541]

@@Pineapplelesspineapplepizza dont bother asking man. all of them are like DL they talk before they think.

[@ericweisfeld6518]

Monte has always been a prick lmao. Shocked he still works in the space

[@ryanh1129]

He doesn't have any talents and he's burned every bridge he's ever crossed, dramamongering is his only way to put food on the table

[@eFrog27]

he "works in the space" because he is just making videos/streams and talking on podcasts. I don't think he has any real jobs besides just being a live game commentator which is irrelevant to his twitter posting. that's sorta like most esports streamers these days anyway

[@MrDespisedIcon]

@@eFrog27he hasn’t done commentating for a long time

[@Lusowrath]

​@@eFrog27gets a consistent 1000 viewers per stream and has a podcast/streaming network that does millions of downloads a year. Like him or not he makes content that people enjoy, get over yourself, what value do you provide besides cringe youtube comments

[@heirkaiba]

Monte mad that Blizzard cut his paychecks. Sad troll.

[@MrDespisedIcon]

Imagine ruining your entire career in esports because of OW 💀

[@trysephiroth007]

Monte can't be wrong so even when there's clear evidence against it he has to double and triple down.

[@colorrr34]

This shit gets more funny now thorin got so salty he tweeted whole day to insult DL lmao.

[@TheHackersboss]

DL should flip for at least 1 episode with Monte and Thorin about TSM. It's my make a wish, if god forbid....

[@Obscure_TM]

yes its obvious for players that played in lane swap meta, half the bds roster were what 4 years old when they patched lane swaps out? ans yes scion strats are common but theres about 10000 different ones, thats like saying well the lottery numbers were obvious we knew they would pick numbers.

[@Hidan056]

I saw sjokz for .2 seconds so this is a good video

[@xandmangaming2885]

I don't think scrims were leaked but its wild as hell to me that DL doesn't know what a lane swap is after all this time. Sion cheese bottom dive is not the same strategy as an actual lane swap. It kind of takes away from how monumental of a call that was from NIP (then G2) to go for a strat that the game is literally balanced around disincentivizing. The Sion strat is awesome in its own right, but lane swaps went mostly extinct and most certainly have not been common enough to see lately (which is exactly WHY every analyst hyped up how crazy it was to see NIP do it in the first place)

[@Cubanox109]

last year BDS were the first ones doing this XD

[@Blazemerald]

I guess Monty really needed a cope angle when his fav team lost lol. Now he has to double down

[@TheFoxStalksHisPrey]

Is Monte OK? This almost seems like a manic episode. There is delusion/cognitive dissonance or whatever, but this is like a full blown episode man..

[@WHIKKEDDDD]

Monte really will just say anything to stay relevant XDD

[@koficaramiel]

ngl i didnt know how thorin and montecristo looked until today and you know what.. they both look like they would actually be conspiracy theorists 😭

[@stigs6610]

Did Monte forget that teams have coaches during draft? Are we really going to rule out that a coach could have identified what was going on? We’re going to say that a strategic coach doesn’t know what lane swapping is? Monte is a clown.

[@SirRubixx]

Well apperently DL - who played through the entire Lane swap meta - doesn’t know what the fuck a lane swap is, so doubt BDS’s coach would be able to spot it from draft

[@mewk2175]

That Sion invade strat was literally called the BDS play lol idk what he’s talking about

[@AZNGamers4Life]

Bro, even in iron games an enemy team sees a blitzcrank on the enemy team and anticipate a jg invade lvl 1 and set up for it. Even a bunch of gooners can make an educated guess

[@Lusowrath]

And if they guess wrong they lose the game instantly. Great strategy at the highest level for sure

[@OneWingedRose]

Edit - This comment was originally written taking that random guy in the video's comment at face value, so I'm just going to write this edit in here to say it sounds like it's more likely Monte wasn't involved with the horrible things that happened to Remilia, so that's good! Original comment - Remi was in constant pain, it was really horrible what they did to her, I didn't realise Monte was involved, that's awful. Remi was awesome, such a cool person!

[@Pineapplelesspineapplepizza]

He wasn’t involved…Remilia came out and said Monte had nothing todo with the situation so why don’t you chill out. Richard Lewis who was the person who helped out Remilia before her passing, later also said Monte has nothing todo with the situation. Monte wasn’t even in the same continent when it happened.

[@OneWingedRose]

@@Pineapplelesspineapplepizza I'm not sure what language in my comment led you to believe I wasn't chill, but thanks for the correcting information! Remi was awesome and facts are important.

[@InstantSilence]

I still watch Monte's vod reviews from time to time cuz I like hearing different analysts' perspectives on matches, but this is one of the most insane accusations he's had recently lmao.

[@OldAgeDonuts]

I personally prefer to not give views to people that stupid.

[@MattM284]

classic monte bad take, thats why he is funny imo

[@Littledunc1]

People laneswapped Karthus bot long before SIon was reworked, Laneswapping was a thing legit a decade ago. Doesn't mean scrims are leaked just beacuse Monte thinks he's the only one alive who can watch a vod or another region.

[@Cutton_Candy76]

It's disappointing to see how Monte, IWD, and Thorin have shifted from constructive criticism to spreading negativity about specially T1 and others for the sake of social media engagement. Monte, in particular, used to provide thoughtful insights, but his collaboration with IWD and Thorin seems to have fueled a toxic environment. Their Twitter timelines are filled with unnecessary toxicity instead of constructive discourse.

[@thetillter2228]

this guy lives in a different reality/timeline altogether. what a weirdo.

[@P3G4G3]

Monte might be the dumbest reject to the scene along with Thorin that we have ever seen, EVER

[@marquesgoncalves]

Montecristo being a jackass, whats new

[@TommyScott-g1p]

Thorin and MOnte are unhinged.

[@Staubsaugaer]

When I checked in on Monte's stream last weekend I noticed how fucking much he misses the time he was relevant, he still has the "all aboard the T1 train" choo-choo sound as his sub sound. It's almost sad

[@Shnozzu]

i mean G2 made fun of BDS honestly watch the whole series adam was so tilted and now hes real tilted

[@gracadio]

double down on monkeys typing shakespeare, not lane swapping.

[@TheHackersboss]

That play was about as coherent as a chimp on a keyboard too.

[@piyoweb]

So they are not allow to prep a counter strat unless they already loss a game to that strategy on stage at least once. This is so dumb and I don't even play Lol 😂😅😂😂

[@JetLagRecords]

More Doublelift, Your videos are fantastic! I just had to subscribe!

[@derrionclavelle9921]

I disagree with the negative takes about Dom and thorn but yes Monte’s ego is cringe asf.

[@narhwallord6985]

I feel like Monte is acting as if lane swapping isn't a thing that players that didn't play in 2014 would know about. Players don't have to have had to have played a lane swap to know it's possible, especially if the team has the resources and knowledge of other teams doing so.

[@blizzen]

This only makes sense if you think g2 is completely shit. Bad take

[@Sopm1]

Monte is part of the man-baby club alongside Thorin and Richard Lewis. They think they know everything and their go-to fall back plan is to continually reference something they got right 10+ years ago, like anyone asked. Its honestly a bit pathetic

[@cryze0965]

So it is more likely that BDS not only is 100% certain that the other team will use a super risky strat, that was dropped half a year ago because it didn't work, and make up a perfect counter gameplan in 60 seconds than the simple obvious fact that they just got a scrim rumor leaked, which happens literally all the time. Yeah no sure man.

[@AZNGamers4Life]

It wasn't a perfect counter plan. They lost that game you clown lmao. If you see a blitzcrank in soloq does everyone in your iron games need a perfect strategy to set up a counter invade? It's an obvious strategy from draft, it was in games for years, it was literally in an LPL game this week.

[@StaminatorBlader]

bds was literally the first team i saw do sion lane swap strat with bot dive in pro im pretty sure....

[@rightcrite4140]

They didnt lane swap xD...its not a SWAP if just one champ moves. In this case sion invaded bot jngl to 4 man dive bot into tping top with a lead in botlane. They still laned top vs top and bot vs bot. What happened in NIP vs FPX and G2 vs BDS is something that happened many years ago. Its the first time in a decade that this sht happened

[@StaminatorBlader]

@@rightcrite4140 youre right of course i didnt watch the game lol quality of games in lec too bad lately i watched fnc vs vit 😟

[@SillanJunior]

Hey try not to sell out the league and all its players next year again 🤣

[@shadowimagery]

Haven't been able to tolerate Monte ever since he brought a wooden train whistle to the analyst desk at season 3 world finals. The way he acts and the things he says in the manner he says them in have always made my stomach turn. He honestly seems like the type of person who would find humor in taunting WWII survivors with a loaf of bread.

[@MattM284]

monte uses too much of his sponsor product, never use your own stash

[@TheMormonatorChannel]

Monte musta lost a lot of money to gambling on that match.

[@KjtheGreatPro]

Remember Montes the guy that thought it was a good idea to do business with chris badawai

[@DeFiantApocalypse]

And doublelift is the guy who did business with andy dhin. Whats your point?

[@InterNetGangsta245]

Lmfao the Monty, thoorin, IWD, double downs are funny af

[@wowJhil]

Yeah, it's a sad bunch for sure!

[@Pineapplelesspineapplepizza]

Not sure how they doubled down seeing as Monte replied to Adam saying “you’re right”, dom said Monte was off and didn’t agree with his take and even Thoorin made a vid saying he doesn’t agree with Monte…how is that doubling down?

[@kyro9014]

I mean you're just lying for free in most of this video, I don't think MonteCristo is right personally but istg DoubleLift always has the worst takes and worst evidence known to man

[@awung11]

Monte blocked me on Twitter for a pretty mild comment I made regarding TSM Regi that could also be interpreted as applying to Monte's time with Renegades. That being said, his take seems pretty reasonable: BDS full stacking on red to sack bot wave seems like inting without any prior knowledge. He just said it in a way too inflammatory manner.

[@insecurecow4419]

G2 love to saw theyre the most innovative team in the world when they just copy what they see in LoLDobby vids 🤣🤣

[@asmodeus4207]

Monte has never been a good analyst. He just says edgelord takes for attention. He only has any respect in this scene because Doa carried him on the old LCK broadcast

[@kenmakouzme2451]

Personally idk anything good Monte been a part of, but maybe that’s just me.

[@stonedtrooper6969]

Monte it's kinda nuts tbh, he keeps shit talking LCS but keep milking it for views

[@suunnz]

Shit talking the LCS doesnt get you nearly as many views as glazing the LCS /LEC/T1/etc. ur take makes no sense.

[@marstonpablo2542]

Monte been braindead for a long time.

[@y2wok]

Montecristo has spent most of his career stirring the pot to get people talking around him, whenever I see his tweets I just brush it off as that old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn

[@thothrax5621]

this is easily the dumbest drama I've ever seen. Monte is losing his mind, or just clout chasing because he's irrelevant. This is like those stories of Regi coming in to TSM vod reviews and being mad that players aren't doing strats or buying items that had removed from the game over 5 years prior

[@JimJPoggers]

monte missed april fools

[@Pastelbluesox]

Admit you were wrong about TL Dodo

[@MrDespisedIcon]

He wasn’t though? With C9 collapsing and FLY having mad flaws in their gameplay, TL roster with DL and Jojo could win way too easily lol

[@Pastelbluesox]

Weird take bro, it wasn’t about the performance of the roster lol

[@christophermauro-barias7451]

monte needs to leave the scene

[@GroundationOnly]

T1 never used sion at worlds or did any kind of lane swap like this. Why are you lying? Doublelift is still the narcissistic lier he used to be it seems...

[@imfromEUW.X.D]

nice alt iwd, keep it up - liar is spelled like this btw

[@GroundationOnly]

@@imfromEUW.X.D lmao, when you have no arguments you start harassing non English speakers for language mistakes. That's the average Doublelift fan I see.

[@imfromEUW.X.D]

go rewatch gen g vs t1 at msi last year LOL, and go read the dictionary while you’re at it! you deeply need some spelling help

[@GroundationOnly]

@@imfromEUW.X.D msi is not worlds and the game you're referring to is not even close to what BDS did. Go suck on DLs pipe some more and learn something about lol meanwhile.

[@sean21487]

Monte and thorin is cancer, has been for years ☠️☠️☠️👽👽👽

[@asdf0747]

LilSusie has connections from working for C9, that's why I think Monte made the accusation. even though Monte is known as an AH, he doesnt make accusations willy nilly.

[@Rerpesentz]

Thorin is cooking Doublelift on X

[@TheRealSonicBeats]

Wait holy shit not this being how I find out Ramillia died wtf

[@thannushankrishnadasan9275]

When irrelevant ppl want to become relevant 😂

[@Forsaken76823]

Monte prob doing this for content hahaha.

[@famip3679]

Monte just jumps on what’s popular let’s be real a grifter

[@rocklee2282]

The Voice of Reason has Spoken 🙌

[@Tatoruzu]

Monte is more than likely correct. Adam didn't even hit puberty yet the last time lane swap was in the meta. Let's be honest here.

[@insignificantdamage3446]

Did you even watch the video? Doublelift did this just last year in 100T and a LPL team did this like a week ago.

[@danielnguyen1476]

​@@insignificantdamage3446 u missed the joke

[@Tatoruzu]

@@insignificantdamage3446 Did you even watch that LPL game?

[@FlashlegendSC]

@@insignificantdamage3446 There is no swap in the NIP game adam mentioned for whatever reason. Sion doesn't go to lane level 1, steals enemy botside jungle with jungler and then they 4man dive the bottom lane on 2nd wave. Sion then tries to tp top in a bad spot and gets killed. Did you watch these games?? Or are you just parroting stuff influencers you like say?

[@insignificantdamage3446]

@@FlashlegendSC NIP vs FPX game 4 Renekton vs Udyr in top is when they lane swap. Adam said they watched the NIP games, he didn't mention them playing Sion at all. Caedrel also has a clip analyzing the lane swap.

[@kellyl2226]

monte ruins every esport he works in ruined league, ruined ow