Moog Subsequent 25 Demo and Review - with Moog-Only Intro Track - no Talking

[@telantas]

Wonderful review. You have crafted some impressive sounds and some beautiful melodies.

[@MidlifeSynthesist]

I will never understand KZbin. How come this video does not have thousands of more views and your channel so many more subscribers!? This is hands down the most interesting and enjoyable sub25 demo/review I have seen, and that is usually the loopop review for me. I especially loved the “real life” use approach and that instead of talking, you actually played for 16 minutes straight (I’m a big fan of text while actually hearing the synth vs talking about how many oscillators it has while the synth just sits there sadly in silence). Thank you for great content. I’m actually looking to get one for some jams on my own channel, and this is making it hard to resist😅 subbed bro, keep it up!

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

thanks a lot :-)

[@davidvochocjr1005]

This is because the "viewer bubble" is oriented mostly on synth nerds. If this track would be more "pure music" oriented, the difference will be visible.

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

@@davidvochocjr1005 actually, I’m mainly a guitar player and except for this vid, all my vids with more than 10k views are about guitars, amps and guitar pedals. Thus, the bubble is probably even more oriented on guitar nerds, some of which may be irritated by my more recent interest in synths :-)

[@damian-henderson]

You got guys with 100l+ views but the demo's are whack, such poor sounds, using presets not showing what the synth can really do, yet everyone gloating thanks to marketing... while this guy is next level

[@darylw-m9549]

An excellent demo of the Subsequent 25, and some amazing sounds. Thanks for the video.

[@RasMike24]

I play synth bass for a Reggae/Soca band. I sold my Grandmother a week ago and I get my Sub 25 tomorrow. So far, this is the best video for that synth on KZbin. Great job.

[@RioYugo]

How have you found the 25 could since? Especially compared to the GM since you’ve had both! Cheers bruv

[@monsterjazzlicks]

@@RioYugo Have you got one Mario?

[@exoduslnx]

I tried to sell my Grandmother to buy more synths... But no one wanted her 😢

[@Max_Plank]

@@exoduslnx how much you want for it?

[@Farold_Haltermeyer]

What a fantastic demo! Thank you so much for the effort and thought put into this!

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

thx

[@axle543]

This was an awesome demo, great playing throughout while demonstrating a wide variety of sounds. As someone who's just getting into synthesizers it was amazingly helpful to read some of the reasoning and logic behind some of the sounds you were creating.

[@fuchyuu663]

nothing beats a moog

[@StatsGod]

I have found this video to be the single most informative one about learning the Sub25. Thank you.

[@StatsGod]

I do wish I could see the full settings for the "plucky" patch.

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

gonna search if I still find it somewhere ...

[@StatsGod]

@@TheGuacamoleXplosion That would be great, thanks. I've been working my way through your video slowly, trying to reproduce each patch. The sine wave one sounds fairly different, but that may be because I use quite different effects (Neunaber Illumine, to wit).

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

@@StatsGod IIRC the sine wave lead sound was not made with the oscillators, but rather with self-oscillating filter at 100% keyboard tracking and high resonance setting; with only a tiny bit of oscillator sound going into the filter to keep it better in tune

[@StatsGod]

@@TheGuacamoleXplosion For sure, but the sound quality I got was a bit different -- as I say, I think it was the effects. BTW I've found one really does need to wain ~15-20 minutes (more in the Winter) for the tuning of the oscillators to settle down!

[@tubeMonger]

Great stuff, again. Thanks for sharing. Haha, I like the strategy to avoid the photo-bombing.

[@monsterjazzlicks]

This looks very good. I'll watch it all the way through tomorrow...

[@kevincrandall2751]

I haven't set up my studio yet, but I have a subsequent 37 that I have yet to play and this makes me want to open it up and get going. This is the first video that makes me really excited about the subsequent 37, the drums sound fantastic.

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

Thanks! I did have to use additional filtering in the DAW for the snare and hi-hats, since the Subsequent 25/37 doesn't have a hi-pass or bandpass filter.

[@emiliorivera1045]

Love that intro track! Very impressive how you got those drum sounds out of it!

[@jettsom]

This is, along with it's big brother the Subsequent 37, is the best sounding synth for the price you pay. It has so much character. I love it.

[@OakKeys]

Really enjoyed watching this video. Perfect display of all the features!

[@kurtyhearty]

Fantastic demo! Delicate sounds

[@Sam_Utah]

Finally found a ....Great, just great demonstration. Your notes are educational. this is like a hard/soft synth, all the control and library flexibility of the soft synth and the rich sonorous spectrum of a real moog. I will watch this over and over until I get mine. +++++ sub.

[@thombroom5515]

I believe the Subsequent 25 has to be one of the most beautiful synthesizers ever made... also its small size is almost like a violin like instrument you put on your lap to manouvre.... just like TheGuacamoleXplosion...please submit more of this..

[@mongkenco4616]

Wow~~This is really GREAT. Thank you so much for your content. The sound you made, is Wonderful. Cheers!!!!

[@Howdy606]

Finally a vid showing the Subsequent 25 doing creamy leads. (why are nearly all the other demos all bass sounds). Probably getting one of these. If only it had a simple arp feature.

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

yep, for using it in a live situation for stuff beyong just hand played synth bass, I would highly recommend to combine the Subsequent 25 with some device which can add arpeggiator/sequencer functionality and some FX. Like an Elektron Digitone, or a Polyend Tracker.

[@fjfrancois]

Man those stabs ❤

[@GotYourWallet]

Wonderful demo!

[@theleastsignificantbit4794]

Nice track! The 25 sounds differently than the 37. I like them and own them both.

[@whitelabelproduction]

This is amazing, well done! I am so close to pulling the trigger on this bad boy. Just need another £850.

[@marike1100]

Excellent track, congrats on the new synth, she's a beauty.

[@peppyp7323]

this is very well done. thank you so much for this no talking no bullshit review / overview!

[@JoergStarkmuth]

Excellent demo! :-) Noise through self-resonant filter was also my favorite sound on my first analog synth.

[@kevingamache1512]

Great video. I just ordered this little beastie yesterday( relative to the time of my posted reply, of course) My only thing is your blurbs are gone to quick don't have time to read them. Great video none the less.

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

yeah, I don’t like talking in my vids, sometimes it’s not easy to fit all the info I want to communicate in those blurbs ... you can always turn down KZbin playback speed of course. But then things will start sounding a bit strange :-D

[@kevingamache1512]

Well my Moog subsequent 25 arrived and......it does not work. So now i have to wait who knows how long for Sweetwater to get more in stock for a replacement

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

@@kevingamache1512 bummer ... good luck for a short wait time!

[@pablumpicasso9207]

This sounds great and shows off how versatile one little synth can be!

[@ericopaschoalbitencourt6236]

She sounds beautiful bro. Congrats on this. You about to step your shit up with this one.

[@xuzhangning]

Amazing deep demo, really impressive

[@coyotesynth]

Great, great demo. Nice stuff.

[@melleverie]

Definitely curious to hear a Bass station II comparison. I have a BS II but I think I want to get something with VCOs

[@powerlioneaglefist]

At 3:52 it reminds me of the formanta polivoks

[@primewavesmusic]

Great video - very helpful!

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

thanks!

[@micromoog1]

Loving this demo!!!

[@davidvochocjr1005]

Fantastic track!

[@JEDR_MUSIC]

4:47 my god that sound is amazing

[@dmitriysmirnov3146]

Best presentation of 25

[@wa3ter]

Great video mate. Thanks.

[@PuRe_AdDicT]

Great performance, as always

[@KirklandWilliamsWorkout3000]

🔥🔥🛸💯 I wonder if aftertouch works if it’s midi to another board

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

nope, but the other way around: The Subsequent 25 can react to incoming aftertouch data sent from a MIDI keyboard with aftertouch.

[@CalebCuzner]

Finally a demo that uses the synth for the drums too! I get tired of synth demos that use other machines for drums when drums are totally possible on synths. Especially when the drum machine used is distracting.

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

I have to admit though that for decent HiHats, Snares and Claps, you will need an external high pass or band pass filter. The Subsequent 25 can do great kicks and toms on its own. But for the Hats and Clap I had to add high pass filtering in the Cubase Groove Agent plugin, since the Subsequent’s filter can only do low pass.

[@stefansirbumusic8949]

Love the sound at 14:36!

[@CHONKERBOT]

Thanks for an amazing demo. I'm looking for a bass-oriented synth for my setup, and I was pretty sure it will be the Moog Minitaur until now. I have a limited budget, and I'm still thinking should I invest twice more to get this beautiful Sub25. Have you got a chance to look at the Minitaur?

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

only checked the Minitaur briefly at a store. Not sure if there are big sonic differences. Advantages of the Sub25 would include that it is self-contained ... you get 25 keys, and you can save 16 patches. Whereas with the Minitaur, you would need a Laptop to recall patches (of course not an issue if you only use one basic sound and/or completely rely on live tweaking), and an extra keyboad. Also, Sub25 will look great on stage :-)

[@thesequencer4971]

Awesome demonstration...i was looking for a new synth under 1k..because my Old Moog Rogue gets out of tune and crackles.. .had the SE-02 or behringer on my list... so i got your Video recommended...but this demo changed my mind

[@kurikokaleidoscope]

That's wonderful

[@EderPr]

Thanks for that, really good review.

[@mickelachlan]

Awesome! Well done.

[@kyleriche9360]

Awesome demo, one of the better ones I’ve found. My sub 25 is on the way. So cool that you used filter emphasis to ‘make’ a third note. I’m hoping to midi automate that to actually create the 3rd/5th/7th note of chords as I play a progression, possibly make it ALMOST polyphonic

[@thombroom5515]

Great video... This really makes you want to purchase a Sub25 on the spot...Thanks to the Guacamole

[@cozmochimp]

Great vid! I bought my Sub 25 a year ago, but haven't used it more than as a midi keyboard! That's pretty embarrassing to admit, but I just find it too hard to read the manual. I'd really love to see a tutorial on how to use the free editor/librarian/controller plug-in, on how to easily create and store sounds! That'd be awesome!

[@Bernd_Bruening]

Great video, fantastic synth. And it can do “ACID” as well!!

[@danielroos5426]

I love this synth and I'm a bass player. I have a Novation Bass Station but I really want one of these. So much more powerful

[@Frozirra]

It’s really not much more powerful dude. 1 lfo and envelopes for filter and amp? I think the bass station has at least another LFO. I have one of these and it’s frustrating to be unable to do any real modulation routing. (And they’re fixed to the mod wheel.) Shit the bass station 2 even has filter drive. Tbh it’s just expensive bc of the brand legacy. It sounds good, but I think bs2 sounds just as good (I actually prefer the BS2 filter, it’s good enough to be on their flagship the summit)

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

@@Frozirra kinda disagree ... as stated in the vid, I own both the Bass Station II (since 2014, so I really know it well) and the Subsequent 25. Also, the Novation Peak, which is mostly half a Summit (minus keyboard and minus some extra filter functionality). Yep, BS2 has a way better feature set than the Sub25 at less than half the price: 2nd LFO, freely tune-able subosc, aftertouch, sequencer, arpeggiator, much more presets, the great AFX mode turning in basically into a monophonic drum machine. Also, the filter offers some extra flexibility: 2 different types, can be set to HP/BP/LP, at 12 and 24 dB/Oct, while the Sub25 can only to LP, but at 6, 12, 18 and 24 dB. BUT ... to my ears, the Moog VCOs are MUCH more powerful than the BS2 DCOs, and so is the filter. Not sure if the Peak/Summit filters are really exactly the same like one of the two filter types in the BS2 ... but even the Peak filters cannot touch the Moog filter. They distort to early when using resonance, and are not that nice sounding in the higher frequencies. About filter drive: Subsequent 25 offers TWO options to overdrive the filter. First, with the mixer: Mixer pots set to noon, sound will stay clean. If you push them up, you will overdrive the filter. Also, you can replicate the old Mini Moog trick of feeding back the output into the mixer internally, without extra cables (Shift mode+Noise knob). Then, you have the post-filter multidrive. So, even more drive options than on the BS2. I completely agree however that modulation routing and a 2nd LFO are dearly missed; such as arpeggiator/sequencer and aftertouch. Well, if you want those, you need to get the Subsequent 37.

[@NeoLudditevisons]

Nice use of the ESX2 :)

[@KenMiddletonUkulele]

A very well-produced video. Many thanks. I have just ordered one, mainly on the strength of your video. Are your superb patches available to download?

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

you can see many of the patch settings in the parts showing the editor software; but if you are interested in specific sounds, you can e-mail me at [e-mail], and I’ll send you the SysEx files :-)

[@bigisleborn]

great stuff subbed!

[@MatthewLowes]

Super great review and demo of the S25! Wish had an arpeggiator and aftertouch, but will probably get one anyway. :) It sounds fantastic, looks beautiful, and I love the small size.

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

you may wanna check the IK UNO Synth Pro ... Fatar keybed w/ 37 full size keys and aftertouch, arpeggiator and (polyphonic!) sequencer, good built-in digital mod, delay and reverb FX, other than that fully analog with 3 VCOs sounding almost as nice as the Moog ones, 3-voice paraphony, 2 LFOs, 2 Envelopes (weakest part compared to the Moog IMHO) and 2 filters which can be used in series or parallel (but not in stereo). One is a 2/4-pole SSI LP filter with self-oscillation, the second an OTA filter that can do 2 pole HP and LP; much more flexibility than on the Moog, though the Moog filter does sound better IMO. The UNO Pro costs less than the Subsequent 25 and has way more features; unfortunately, way less knobs, and doesn’t look as pretty. But suits on a crammed desk much better. Here’s the first vid I made with mine: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ-tf6GDfdp3qq8

[@MatthewLowes]

@@TheGuacamoleXplosion thanks, yeah the uno looks pretty good, but It’s hard to beat Moog quality. I own a Matriarch and love it! But still tempted to get this little synth for instant playability at my desk. And it has a couple tricks even the Matriarch doesn’t have. It’s so simple, even cute, but man, it can sound beastly!

[@thom-alphaxiii-5106]

Great great great video

[@ricksukulele2752]

12:05 fire!

[@monikamedek5]

Great sound!

[@electriceyeslide5959]

The 25 is a beast and nothing sounds like it. Honestly. It’s all most people need. The funny thing is everyone plays funky bass with the 25 but its highs are just as good!! Some very dreamy stuff!

[@RicardoGordo]

Excelent! Thank you.

[@digitaldiezel5870]

I love this synth! I’d love to have one but the vast majority of my synth needs are already being met in my current set up. I can’t justify the purchase.

[@marianoruggieri9539]

Hi from Argentina! Thanks for the video. A question...its easy to save presets in the library and load to the synt?

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

yep, really easy.

[@Olivia-go8cx]

Hi ! Great video bro! . I have a DSI OB6. Looking for deep bass and great leads...can I achive It with the sub 25? And last question, bass and leads are so diferent in the sub 25 than in the Matriarch? (Considering the four oscillators of one and the two of the other) Thanks a lot!!!

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

Hi, only played the OB6 for some minutes in a music store yet ... great synth! Sub 25 can definitely do deep bass and great leads; not sure if it can do better leads than the OB6. Matriarch and Grandmother sound quite different from the Subsequent series Moogs IMHO; not so much because of the number of osciallators. But rather, those oscillators sound really different ... Matriarch and GM are closer to the old school 1960s Moog sound. Sub 25/37 have a more modern sound, not so raw in the midrange.

[@Olivia-go8cx]

Thanks for your opinion! Great channel!

[@lilofadidas7982]

Great job .how is the factory presets are they good to ? & is the sub 25 can load presets from the sub 37 ?

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

thx ... the 25 is a rather simple synth, so I never cared too much about presets, you get everywhere fast on your own. I think loading from the sub37 is not possible, since the 37 has more sonic options (2nd LFO, mod matrix etc.) that are not available on the 25.

[@djcovid-1997]

hey random question I noticed that your using a babyface interface, I have one myself. I was wondering if you knew how to output the analog signal bypassing the computer. So basically hearing the dry signal directly from the interface without using the DAW; I am having some sound issues :P

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

What DAW are you using? Normally, you should get zero latency monitoring by switching off monitoring in your DAW, and pulling up the faders for the hardware inputs (top row) on the RME Total Mix software instead, routed to the monitoring destination of your choice. Take some time to learn the Total Mix software, it’s a very powerful routing and mixing tool, you can even get decent reverb on your zero latency monitoring signal, great for tracking vocals. BTW not sure if that RME zero latency monitoring is really in the analog domain, or if it’s only extremely fast digital technology.

[@ARCASIAUK]

Love the preset at 5:42! Sounds so great! How was it made?

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

not sure if it was a preset I built from scrath or a tweaked factory one ... but you can see all the settings on screen if you pause the vid around 5:46 :-)

[@hanfordreach6849]

great video, how did you add arpeggiater

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

in the intro track, the arpeggiator is a MIDI plugin in my DAW. The Subsequent 25 keyboard sends MIDI notes to Cubase; there, the inserted MIDI arpeggiator plugin “Arpache SX” converts the steady notes into an arpeggio, and sends the MIDI notes for that arpeggio back to the Subsequent 25, which then plays the corresponding notes. Later in the vid, I use the Korg Electribe as sequencer triggering the Subsequent 25.

[@Frozirra]

I have one, it’s nice and sturdy, but you’re really paying for the brand. The bass station 2 is just as good imho. And the Waldorf pulse 2 has so many more features it’s insane, and so can the dreadbox Typhon

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

Yep, you definitely pay for the brand. Also, buying from an employee-owned company ... which seems like a good idea IMO. Re: Novation Bass Station 2 - see my reply above (to your reply to Daniel Roos). Just to add one thing: Last year I produced a track with my Novation Peak on bass; and I thought: The Peak can really do a fat, earth shaking bass, this is just as good as the Moog! Then, I connected the Moog and played the same MIDI track through it ... and noticed: No, Peak may be 90% there, but the Subsequent 25 still delivers the stronger, livelier bass. Re: Dreadbox Typhon and Waldorf Pulse 2 - those are definitely fantastic analog monosynths at a great price point, including digital FX. I didn’t play either in person yet, only know them from YT demos. Pulsar seems to continue the Waldorf tradition of sounding a bit cold/sterile/80s style, but extremely versatile. I guess the Typhon could rather replace the Moog sonically, for me. Both have the downside that there’s way less knobs/faders to control stuff than the Sub25: Moog has 31, Typhon has 14, Pulse has 8. I would add the IK Multimedia UNO Synth Pro (which I do own) to this group: 3 voice paraphonic with nice sounding VCOs and filters, a lot of flexibility, 8 knobs and great sound for less money than the Subsequent 25.

[@monsterjazzlicks]

Great demonstration. I really dislike the 'factory' sounds to be honest. I was very interested in how you MIDI/synced the Sub-25 to another device. The results were very inspiring.

[@indiefilmcomposer]

Debating on this or the old school this actually sounds better that the other subsequents.....I had the voyager and miss it

[@nobruljas]

Did you found some solutions to the bug you have mentioned? Btw great vid!

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

not yet ...

[@djcovid-1997]

what drum machine are you using? cool sounds BTW

[@djcovid-1997]

nvm its cubase. very cool though :)

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

@@djcovid-1997 yep, the “Groove Agent SE” virtual instrument that comes included with newer Cubase versions. But all the drum sounds that I use in there are sampled Moog Subsequent 25 tones. I added high pass filtering to snare and hihats in Groove Agent SE, since the Moog only can do low pass.

[@daleharrisguitar]

Great sounds as usual from Moog. At £859.00 it's a steep price so hopefully it is well-constructed?!

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

seems solid so far, did’t gig with it yet ...

[@jasonvotaw5966]

4:50!!

[@alxmnslv]

nice sounds...your head is in the way

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

it always is 🤷‍♂️

[@jasonvotaw5966]

??!!?? Drums - !!!

[@TheGuacamoleXplosion]

yep, but you need an additional external HiPass filter to get convincing HiHats. Also for Snares, external HiPass or BandPass needed, since the Subsequent 25 can only do Low Pass. In the vid, I used the software filters in Groove Agent.