Who Really Owns Pokémon?

[@moon-channel]

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[@usernametaken017]

She Pokemons on my Company till I uhh uhh uhhhh

[@IAARPOTI]

Moony the sponsor used ai art as their products. Please rethink about it.

[@Toksyuryel]

A copyright lawyer taking a sponsorship from a rampant copyright infringer is a wild thing to see

[@MarcLucksch]

@@Toksyuryelwell, he is not representing them in court at least, cause that be a loosing proposition.

[@noragmd]

@@IAARPOTI was the art not given some sort of watermark or warning to show that it was ai or was it stolen from a real artist? i don't know much about the situation, but if the art is original and disclosed to not be manmade, i think it's fine to sell

[@rumia2920]

I truly love how Moony doesn't feel like "A lawyer on KZbin" but more like "that friend who happens to be a lawyer in their public life" kind of vibe. Truly a man of the people.

[@StorymasterQ]

He's a lawyer?! 😀

[@attykarly]

you should see when he was totally owned by karl jobst haha

[@Tokiko]

@@attykarly Yep, and there is no saying he didn't make his mistakes with that, but the difference between an internet hobbit such as yourself and a man with a life and job is that they grow from those mistakes into better people

[@attykarly]

@@Tokiko lmao ok so much yapping and so many baseless assumptions made, just like moony when he defended jirard. hahaha are we not allowed to bring up when moony was utterly owned? simp behavior yikes

[@hamdepaf6686]

@@attykarly owned? We still talking legal proceedings here, right? The justice system isn't a WWE cagefight... The purpose of a trial isn't to win, it is to look at the truth of a matter and judge accordingly. For that purpose each side of the trial gets someone who represents their side of the story and tries to argue in favor of their side. Their job isn't to make their side win, their job is to defend their side from an unjust ruling. You cannot "own" someone in a trial...

[@Nora_Bean666]

Ya know, I actually would like a video on differences in international IP law. But if Moony does decide to make that video I pray for his mental health.

[@RainbowAceOfSpades]

Honestly, a video focusing on the various international IP conventions would probably be the easiest thing to do to tackle this mission.

[@undeniablySomeGuy]

I would like this too

[@FrostFire425]

Seconded. Moonie has already admitted to lacking sleep...

[@iamhand]

Going to be mighty relevant with the Nintendo Palworld lawsuit just announced

[@Pixaurora]

Consider me in favor too! I'm super curious what the better and worse parts of Japans system is

[@secureb00t39]

Hit with historical US republican trivia and christian theology before getting into IP law? This is exactly what I signed up for

[@noctap0d]

As soon as I hit play I was dying of laughter. I ain't complaining tho 👌

[@Miss_Trillium]

Im 26 years old and "historical" made me shrivel up and turn into a geriatric

[@LillyP-xs5qe]

Maybe one day he will provide us with a video that is only random tangents, like skip his ADHD meds for two days, sleep deprived, hyped up on sugary drinks, just sits down to blurt out the tangent cut video where even he while doing the voice over will be confused

[@LiliththeMoth]

1000%

[@secureb00t39]

@@Miss_Trillium I used historical here just because it happened in the past. Don't worry, we're still young

[@Solinaru]

Moon: "I need a vacation" Pokemon Co: "yeah, actually I'll need you to come back to the office over the weekend..."

[@i8dacookies890]

"That's right, Pokemon is more complicated than god." Gotta be one of the best Moonie quotes of all time.

[@zjzr08]

I mean all 3 in TPC don't have the same nature unlike the more mainstram understanding of God's nature so it's more a contentious collective unity, I agree. 🤣

[@SuperFlashDriver]

I'm not surprised considering the property is owned by four companies at this point (Nintendo, Game Freak, Creatures Inc, And The Pokemon Company International), it's basically it's own governmental system from the US, PLUS the FBI/CIA group associated with Capital Hill in the Pokemon Companies. Game Freak being the White House, The Pokemon Company International being The Judicial Branch, and Creatures Inc. being the House of Representatives (Or it can be the other way around and nintendo would be the judicial branch and Creatures Inc.+ The Pokemon Company International would be the House of Representatives all in one).

[@lancesmith8298]

@@SuperFlashDriverIf nothing else, it’s at least one more inscrutable force than The Trinity

[@MetatronsRevenge613]

Arceus anyone????

[@zjzr08]

@@MetatronsRevenge613 Pokemon world is more polytheistic in this sense where Arceus is the highest diety and the Creation Trio being lesser dieties.

[@9Tensai9]

54:19 Yes please. I'm actually surprised that you haven't made a video on how copyright law is different between Japan and the US. I know it may be boring and tedious but I can assure you that I will watch that even if it's 2 hours long.

[@lancesmith8298]

Half of it got made with the old Earthbound soundtrack video

[@dProp.34]

​@@lancesmith8298 yeah exactly

[@EtchJetty]

Correction -- Itoi actually WANTED to make Monopoly SNES. He's a HUGE fan of Monopoly!!! He's President of the Japan Monopoly Association, he's played Monopoly competitively... The game was obviously a pretty personal project for him. There are trans characters, there's an RPG town to explore... there's a lot going on that obviously fits into his interests at the time! I personally think it's an important stepping stone between Earthbound games.

[@LetsplayAori]

Is there a translation of it? Sounds like a very interesting game more so than other monopoly games

[@themoocow7718]

@@LetsplayAoriyep. just look up “monopoly snes English”

[@autumnshinespark]

Wait, really? I'll have to look into that 👀

[@Zordyn]

I like to think these videos are just nick ranting to maya in between cases to feel like an actual lawyer

[@goli8699]

"... well in christian theology ..." "Nick, what are you talking about?"

[@SuperDoomKing]

Sometimes I forget what a legend Iwata was.

[@fch1443]

The best CEO in history

[@MrGshinobi]

Rest in peace what a legend, Nintendo is where it is right now because of legendary developers and leaders like him

[@be-noble3393]

The Trinity as a means to explain the ownership of Pokémon was not on the Bingo card.

[@lancesmith8298]

If you told me 2 years ago that I’d willfully hear a grown adult talk about the Trinity, random Pokédex lore, and copyright law, while a Siivagunner cover of Ra Ra Rasputin plays, I’d assume you were having a stroke Edit: There is a very quick cutaway gag of Homestuck. What. What the hell

[@ClaustroPasta]

8:19 my exact reaction LMAO

[@infernovulpix1539]

A correction about Iwata: he did create a new compression algorithm for Gold and Silver, but the intended aim was not to save storage space. Gold and Silver could accommodate Kanto simply from the fact that the new cartridges were larger (twice the size!), and instead Iwata's new compression algorithm worked *faster*, allowing Pokemon to render on-screen much quicker than in RBY. I remember trying to track this down one day, since it's such a common piece of Pokemon folklore, and the story seems to have arisen from an interview where Iwata was credited and thanked for his work on a compression algorithm, with no further details given. It's likely that readers made the assumption that space-efficiency was the aim of this algorithm, and thus that Iwata must have been solving a storage space issue for Game Freak, with the myth continuing to grow from there.

[@Minty_Meeo]

Did You Know Gaming also debunked this common misconception in their Pokemon Gold & Silver Facts video from October 2023.

[@thebaccathatchews]

Pokémon's Japanese?! I thought Brock's jelly donuts looked different. That explains a lot.

[@tyujg7495.]

Everything is Japanese

[@Antifrost]

Nothing beats a jelly-filled donut.

[@EllieBee542]

Incredible timing considering the lawsuit against Palworld

[@moon-channel]

Seems like I'm going to be doing that Palworld video after all

[@_graybee]

​@@moon-channeljust heard, came to make sure you already knew. I'm excited for the video but please rest first 🙏

[@jalthiratruenooblord7770]

I hipe nintendo lose that lawsuit. Again whit ethere is standing for that desig. Wise, i no longer feel nintendo deserves its position. Its is a rot to be torn down and built anew and humbled

[@Leee275]

​@@jalthiratruenooblord7770 Are all your comments seriously going to be like this? You are the kind of person which people that comment in this channel make fun of, they lack nuance.

[@lenarianmelon4634]

​@@jalthiratruenooblord7770I also wish nintendo to lose but for completely different reasons

[@eggy3231]

Please know that every time you say "that topic might be too dry and complicated", that that is always the topic I want to hear about most.

[@FrostFire425]

Seconded!

[@EphemeralPseudonym]

the algorithm doesn't care unfortunately 😢

[@quinnocent]

Man, it really is a Dodrio, isn't it? Using a Pokemon as an analogy for a corporate ownership structure isn't what I was expecting, but it kinda works.

[@GG-bw5qd]

To be fair there are so many Pokemon that it isn't a massive surprise at least one of them fits

[@GAHAHAHH]

Haven't watched the video yet but from my pre-emptive knowledge on the subject it's honestly the perfect metaphor on so many levels.

[@SJrad]

Heck it might be something between a dodrio and hydreigon

[@lancesmith8298]

@@GG-bw5qd I can 100% see a video essay talking about the benefits of direct action for worker’s rights that invokes Tinkaton

[@GAHAHAHH]

@@SJrad After watching the video Hydreigon might be more appropriate given just how much control Nintendo actually has but I think Dodrio is better because of how good Nintendo is at redirecting/obfuscating blame and responsibility. Don't get me wrong there is plenty "going wrong" with the franchise right now that isn't Nintendo's responsibility but it's incredible just how much is Nintendo's responsibility and they have convinced nearly everyone to blame Game Freak or at best The Pokémon Company for something that should in fact fall on Nintendo. Ironically a lot of people think Nintendo will be the Pokémon franchise's saviour when they are the ones who intentional or not pushed for such tight development cycle in the first place. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if people are blaming the "correct" head; all heads are hearing the complaints and I assume internally they are all doing the best they can to address them even if publicly it doesn't seem like it and practically it is going to be many years before we see the effects of their course correction.

[@CaptainGCN]

So, in the end, who *was* Herman Cain plagiarizing? Did Nintendo or the Pokemon company actually own the rights to that song?

[@MrNeosantana]

"Find out next time, on the *Moon Channeeeeel* "

[@zjzr08]

Music in Pokemon properties somehow can't access each other; we see that with Pokemon Masters, a gacha game which had Ash at one point using music from the anime, yet after the promotional period, stopped using it despite being licensed from TPC - IMO the music is probably owned by Warner Music who TPC "buys" from them to use in the movie IMO (and Warner Music still gets royalties when the music is kept being used IMO).

[@marocat4749]

Who the hellhas the ip pokemon us held?! Maybe?!

[@pokepress]

In the case of “The Power Of One” specifically, that song has a “Nintendo of America” copyright (as do most songs written or re-written for the first two movies), so there you go. Explains everything, right? 😉 of course, owning the copyright doesn’t mean all the royalties go there, depending on the laws in each territory, where the song is being used, etc., which is its own topic. Oh, and don’t forget the song is based on score elements from the movie itself.

[@mariokarter13]

@@pokepress Owning the composition of the song and owning the recording of the song are two different things. They could own both, but that's another thing to consider.

[@nullpoint3346]

Mother, Pokemon, Undertale, share some strange DNA. Also, Mewtwo has more in common with Gygas than with Freeza.

[@lancesmith8298]

A part of me wants to say that the development of Earthbound and the development of Pokemon might have been in roughly the same studio, but also I find it very doubtful that the unfinished, unpublished sequel to Mother 1 mattered compared the clearly purple and white Frieza. Also you’d honestly have better luck convincing me Mew is Gygas. Like, it’s halfway based on an embryo? Real obvious with the Gen 1 spritework

[@rainpooper7088]

@lancesmith8298 Obviously they're talking about the "GIEGUE" sprite from Earthbound Zero/Mother 1, not the red skull fetus from Earthbound. In that one he's white with long ears and a tail and sits in a liquid-filled tank, much like Mewtwo upon its creation.

[@normalichu]

To me, the most clear Mother reference in Pokémon is when you find an old man who talks incomprehensively, so you have to search for his denture, and then you find it near a sign that says "If you see my teeth, bring them back" Of course, the joke is funnier in Mother

[@secondbeamship]

Well Toby Fox makes songs for the Pokémon games.

[@isabows]

​@@secondbeamship and undertale was partially inspired by shin megami tensei, a monster catcher predating pokemon

[@baconlabs]

Finally, the true identity of John Pokemon will be revealed

[@lancesmith8298]

HIS NAME IS WOLFE GLICK

[@TransientWitch]

Old Man Nintendo?! It was YOU all along? And he'd have gotten it away, too, if it wasn't for that meddling Moony!

[@ninja34744]

This video didn't need to be an hour. You could cut out the various references, comparisons, and tangents and have a far shorter, more concise video. But... that's exactly why I like this channel. I like the context of comparing to other giant Japanese conglomerates like Mitsubashi. I like the little fun facts like Ganondorf's boss music being written in the wild 23/16 measure. These are not necessary for the core concept of the video, but they give an image of the wider picture while trickling in other interesting information not worthy of its own video. This is what makes your channel feel unique among a see of other explanatory and retrospective video essays. I really appreciate your work and hope you continue in this manner.

[@FrostFire425]

Seconded! I love this.

[@THEEJONESY]

third 🎉

[@Klebe3000]

"A non-euclidean, hyperbolic triangle out of 22" These side thangents are great. Feel free to include more in future videos.

[@gimligimlass5509]

The Joke's on you, Mr Moon. I DID expect a theology lesson when I started this video!!

[@heitormedina7098]

0:01

[@madmaster0015]

I'm noticing Moon seems to really love Vaporeon.

[@frixyg2050]

Just leaning into that meme, surely.

[@zackkertzman7709]

@@frixyg2050 "That's what I said... And don't call me Shirley". -madmaster0015, probably

[@marocat4749]

Flameon grrr

[@oldcowbb]

compatibility issue

[@generallyunimportant]

there's a "hey guys" at 58:16, so..

[@Luffy2008]

If you see all the big push that Nintendo is making here in Brazil, it feels like we are really at the grasp of having pokemon fully localized in portuguese, or even in them having a pokemon center in sao paulo (the true dream to finally get official merchidise easily). If am not mistaken, before X was banned here, people even found out that they werr setting up an official pokemon brazil account just like the official Nintendo one

[@pokepress]

It is a large market with over 100 million people, and Latam IC is held there every season.

[@klutterkicker]

It's kind of worrying that it takes nearly an hour and at least 1 lawyer to answer this question.

[@laytonjr6601]

That lawyer did go on many ADHD tangents, but I agree on your sentiment

[@joshuamitchell5018]

It didn’t take an hour. 90% of videos that are an hour can be cut down by half or more.

[@shirou9790]

One especially unhinged lawyer at that, but we still enjoyed every second of it.

[@klutterkicker]

(Checks notifications) Oh I guess that video went live.

[@trustytrest]

@@joshuamitchell5018 And 90% of statistics are true and verifiable 🙄🙄🙄

[@SpiderPig42]

You can make a religion out of this. -Bill Wurtz

[@zackkertzman7709]

That reminds me, probably about time for my annual rewatch...

[@lewatoaofair2522]

Oh Arceus, you can!!

[@U-Flame]

The English Kirby being cooler thing has actually started to die down recently. He's been allowed to smile in recent box arts

[@qtheplatypus]

You missed the most important nicene council trivia Saint Nicolas (aka Santa Claus) got into a fist fight with Arius.

[@marocat4749]

True, the most important fact, and he was thrown out apearently. And he isnt st claus, santa claus is a weird algimation of odin, some northern europe demon, maybe, and saint nick. Who also did clean up a hostel hostel and revive the killed kids in a hostel hostel way. Probably extra symbolism is on the hospitality and violation of it condemned greece had?! But also ree necromancy?!

[@lancesmith8298]

@@qtheplatypus And, assuming it’s not covered at all in the video, the overall point of Nicaea, which was hashing out the Biblical canon. This sounds boring, up until you remember the other popular use of the term “canon”. Several important grown adults had to sit down and sort through which accounts of Christ’s life and message are divinely inspired, and which ones are the early ancestors of Wattpad fanfics. Also a couple of them got approved for Catholicism, in spite of goofy things like “giant talking cross praises Jesus”, and are known as the Apocrypha.

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

​@@lancesmith8298If anything, some of the canon stuffs are closer to fanfiction, though. Despite being ostensibly about the "Word of God", since He has been particularly silent about His work, the official interpretation is still just an interpretation. (Now, there are fandom examples where the voice of the author has been heavily criticized (see Ridley Scott for example. Or JK Rowling), but that's not a metaphor I'd like to pursue here. An eternity in Hell is enough already)

[@hyreonk]

@@lancesmith8298 So this is a common misconception, we have no records from the Council of Nicaea that the canon was even discussed - only vague hints from Jerome. The purpose really was to hash out the trinity, since Constantine wanted a united Christianity that he could declare the official religion of Rome - and the trinity proved the key source of division.

[@LunarWingCloud]

You reminded me of Herman Cain and I *immediately* remembered the awkward smoking ad and the 10 solid seconds of him awkwardly staring at the camera from the side eye and slowly growing grin

[@arahman56]

Meanwhile, all I remember is the subreddit named after him lol.

[@carlosemilio5180]

All I know of this guy is that this advertisement of him was used in a video showcasing the main sample in the concept of love

[@shawesomest]

41:10 Iwata didn't compress the data. He made a line of code that sped up the game's speed. Very common misconception spawning from a mistranslated article nearly two decades old at this point.

[@thatmanatite]

A common misconception indeed, +1

[@Christopher-md7tf]

That story of Kanto only fitting on the GS cartridge because Iwata helped out is a myth, btw. While he did work on the compression for that game, his changes actually COST space, as they were about speeding up decompression. There is a long and well-argued and -sourced Reddit post about it, for anyone who wants to know more.

[@costby1105]

The compresion allowed for faster load if IIRC wasn't it?

[@charnalk5572]

​@@costby1105Yup, all of the overworld assets are left decompressed as well in the game as well a lot of redundant or outright unused assets still being in the game that could've been trimmed if they desperate for space.

[@afro025]

THANK YOU 🙏 I was hoping someone would say this

[@Shalakor]

So, in other words, Iwata was responsible for Gold and Silver not running like Diamond and Pearl?

[@zjzr08]

@Shalakor Yes, while Iwata didn't exactly make the game's size smaller, it did optimize certain aspects of the game much smoother, which is impressive for a GBC game with that content IMO.

[@ItsGBMoD]

i love how this entire video i was going "wow this song is great but i never knew it had that melody in it, it almost sounds like {random meme}!" then i check the soundtrack list and its all silva gunner. im so glad silva exists please never stop using them for your music

[@demetriusnp49]

Sheesh. This goes to show how fragile IP Laws are worldwide, especially in regard to what Nintendo has “Golden Eggs”. Microsoft has Minecraft, Sony has…erm…something, but Nintendo has to manage some of gaming’s most beloved IP on top of a juggernaut like Pokemon. I still believe the Pokemon Company does share some fault here, but ultimately I can understand why Nintendo has to be this defensive. These IP laws just don’t cut it anymore and being lax like what Sega does with Sonic has consequences. In regards of the games, perhaps that’s why the expansion building for Nintendo in general is being built for more leg room for their IPs. Who knows, but the takeaway from this is managing Pokemon is a Herculean effort.

[@etymonlegomenon931]

Sony's only ultra-valuable brand is Playstation

[@SJrad]

⁠@@etymonlegomenon931 i’d say their most valuable brand is spider man and thus the spider man games. That followed by the last of us. also this brought be down a huge rabbit hole because of the history of crash bandicoot and spyro, 2 classic playstation games series that sony missed out on owning. you see they’re originally naughty dog and insomniac games titles that they for some reason decided not to keep this brought me to activision blizzard and vivendi. Vivendi ( formerly vicendi universal) owned blizzard entertainment before with activision to create activision blizzard. Now i noticed universal so i looked into that and that was because of the defunct multinational conglomerate Seagran which was split up in the year 2000 who owned universal studios and universal music group which tldr UMG is its own company and universal studios is owned by comcast. also a part of Seagram became the coca cola company

[@djmarkiez]

@@etymonlegomenon931 ehm sony makes alot more, there is a sony movie pictures branch, they own music and release pop music, they sell alot of electronics. so PS is not the ultra valuable brand

[@daevious_]

@@djmarkiez Many of those have dropped in value, so it's more like the Playstation is the last ultra-valuable brand Sony has left.

[@djmarkiez]

@@daevious_ have you checked the numbers on that claim? Cuz the numbers paint a different picture..

[@goodfortunetoyou]

Interesting to know. So game freak and Creature's inc, are kinda like companies that pay tributes to Nintendo. Nintendo has the funding and political power, but the other two have weaker positions, and were given the IP details to manage. So they can act independently, but will ultimately not defy what Nintendo wants.

[@ausgod538]

Don't just believe in a random guy like this everything he said aside from copyright and trademark is suppositions

[@ggwp638BC]

@@ausgod538 While Moony has said in the past to never believe everything he says because he can be wrong, even with the best of intentions, it's not a random guy talking out of his ass. His videos are well researched, he follows Nintendo very closely, and is a lawyer by profession. Dude knows his stuff. And nothing he assumes or speculates on this video is widely out of reality.

[@PlazDreamweaver]

​​​​​@@ggwp638BC Him being a lawyer doesn't mean a single thing if he doesn't practice in a field related to the videos he creates. It could be a case similar to an ophthalmologist making videos about cardiology and using "I'm a doctor" to claim credibility. Or a web dev using "I'm a programmer" to create false credibility whilst talking about game dev. I'm curious as to what field Mooney practices. I don't believe he's dishonest, but I would like to hear something more akin to "patent attorney reviews XYZ" as opposed to the blanket title "lawyer"; I do understand the latter is favored by the soulless, blood-sucking YT algorithm.

[@lucaslourenco8918]

As a devout Catholic and ex-seminarian, I'd say your trinitology is pretty solid by Catholic standards and we won't be burning you at the stake for it now. Also, Brazil was mentioned

[@Aaronrules380]

While Nintendo definitely has the most control over Pokemon compared to the other two (and has some level of direct control over Creatures, with strong push over gamefreak but not direct control of any sort), I think the video also does minimize to a certain extent the autonomy of TPCi itself. TPCi might need to bow to Nintendo (as well as gamefreak and creatures to some extent as well) when direct conflict occurs, it does have some ability to make decisions without purely being bound to Nintendo policy. As an example, Pokemon was making mobile games a decent amount of time before Nintendo had it's own mobile game program with stuff like Mario Run or Fire Emblem Heroes. If it was just apps like Pokedex 3D it'd be one thing, but some of these were full fledged mobile game. And given the head at the time specifically talked in interviews multiple times about not having a ton of faith in Nintendo's console business and the switch's potential, I feel like the initiative was largely led by TPCi itself. Nintendo definitely could've vetoed it of course, but it likely wasn't a policy push coming from them. I think in general Nintendo probably doesn't do much directly to micromanage the Pokemon Company except when they have specific things they want to happen, or things they specifically don't want to happen are going on. I think when it comes to legal management, it's not a direct result of Nintendo setting the policy, they have their own lawyers who don't need to get the ok from Nintendo at all times for literally everything. That said, if their policy caused issues for Nintendo, Nintendo would likely intervene directly, and the desire to avoid that could even cause the legal team to be overzealous on issues where Nintendo might be more lax themselves

[@zjzr08]

I do agree that I notice some distance with how TPC does its licensing over how Nintendo does itself...if Nintendo has significant power over TPC I have to assume the Pokemon mobile games would have some part from the Nintendo Mobile division but they usually dont; the most Nintendo involvement that I know is the use of Nintendo accounts for personal details and save data.

[@Dakress23]

In all fairness, Nintendo likely didn't intervene with TCPi's plans to port Pokemon to mobile (in case the Switch was a dud) because Nintendo themselves doesn't see it as a direct competitor like Sony's Playstation is.

[@ausgod538]

Pretty much, there's also tpc talking about support for switch or how they thought switch would fail. Tpc has a lot of independence

[@ausgod538]

​@@Dakress23except that Nintendo themselves don't do it and tpc has put games on pc and mobile like in 2014

[@mariokarter13]

It's worth keeping in mind that the vast majority of TPC's revenue comes from merchandise. The games, anime, etc. exist in service of the real money maker.

[@abzollozdol251]

The emotional whiplash I get from listening the mother music in the background to the frequent use of Vaporeon for various "reasons" snapped my neck

[@christabelle__]

What are the reasons for all the Vaporeon? It's legit one of my top two favorites, but like...why is Vaporeon all over his videos?

[@abzollozdol251]

@@christabelle__ It is best you did not know

[@carlosemilio5180]

​@@christabelle__ did you know that in-ACK

[@liammcnicholas918]

@@christabelle__Hold on to your innocence while it lasts.

[@UmbreonShapeshifter]

@@christabelle__ Don't Google it

[@jimmy_20xx]

Funny of yt to enable comments before the video. Are we supposed to predict the future or something?

[@Igneusflama]

Throw predictions into the wind, chat, or talk about KZbin comments in KZbin comments for videos that aren't out yet

[@jimmy_20xx]

Regarding this topic, most of us will pretty much just make educated guesses

[@Ouvii]

This is the status quo. You think people wait to see the video before commenting? 🙃

[@jimmy_20xx]

Touché

[@TedWilder]

~Controversial political statement to drive engagement~

[@silentsuite8910]

4:35 to skip sponsor read.

[@sircamquat]

You may not believe me but I was mid sip of kirin the moment you said "that kirin you're drinking" and I almost choked

[@aeviarth-the-dragoness]

Isn't a kirin a sort of draconic creature?

[@daapf8232]

15:27 Such a Gex moment. You know want I like about Gex? Consistency!

[@Matthew-zs3kg]

That’s so f*ckin’ Gex.

[@Filloax]

Regarding the half pokeball suffocation issue, apparently it went farther than that, it had a particular design that accidentatly ended up making that easier - saw an interesting (Italian) vid about it

[@NoGoodHandlesLeft]

'Pokemon is an Arian heresy' is not the take I was expected.

[@KevinSmithGeo]

"Well welcome to Moon Channel" Yeah, my exact thoughts at that moment were "No I wasn't expecting it, but I am not event remotely surprised."

[@mariokarter13]

The Pokémon franchise might have the most complicated business relationship in the entire industry.

[@Nyahahameha]

"Imagine the horrors of a world in which every Pokemon...is Lopunny." Well...we live in a world in which every Pokemon _might as well_ be Lopunny, given how online fanart tends, so I doubt my willful suspension of disbelief will get a good workout from this one, but alright, here goes... _...Ooh!_

[@justsomejojo]

Yes! I was hoping for this one! I was aware of the general gist of it (including that Itoi was involved in some way) but the details of the web I didn't quite know. I remember it was one of those "juicy funfacts" around my school that "did you know that HAL was actually related to Pokemon??" (it usually came up because of Smash Bros) but it took YEARS for me to actually and look up what the deal was. "Pokemon is more complicated than god" is one quote I won't forget for a while.

[@pokepress]

FYI: The Power Of One was never officially associated with the Olympics. It may have been played there, and according to my interview with Mark Chait, NBC used it in some highlight reels. Interestingly, one of the other songs on the soundtrack, “The Extra Mile”, WAS intended for the 2000 Olympics, but apparently was turned down.

[@nullpoint3346]

I'd like to see the comparisons between IP laws across the countries.

[@hurgcat]

here here!

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Yes, there are German IP laws which have their own equivalent of the public domain, but tend not to have fair dealing. Australia is a commonwealth country which also has both a life plus 70 term and its own public domain, but features fair dealing as a decent response to infringement instead, as with India and the UK.

[@MousaThe14]

I guess my only question is that if Nintendo has so much power and control in so many nitty gritty teeny ways, then how can they simultaneously be the one most likely calling for GameFreak’s ridiculous release schedule while they have a habit of having games completed and sitting on them until “the time is right.” How is it there are so many instances of not milking franchises in the same way. There are definitely instances where this did happen, especially in the earlier days what with the rushed development of stuff like Majora’s Mask and Smash Melee. But these days it seems like the only subsidiary not getting the developmental leeway that say The Legend of Zelda or Kirby or anything else is getting is the Pokémon Company. And so much of their money is coming out of merch and so many other things that Game Freak has the least amount of incentive to keep pumping out games. The games are the least of their profits. They could be left alone for five years the same way new Zelda Games are usually a twice-per-console (I’m including handhelds) affair. I mean, I know the answer is capitalism but capitalism is already doing so much heavy lifting in all other aspects.

[@zjzr08]

Nintendo probably just lets them I assume, because it hasn't been to a point of "undisgraceful" (even though I might think it has been). I agree it's out of character from Nintendo to allow a product they have a lot of influence to have a lot of unatisfied backlash (they are usually "squeaky clean"), but maybe this is where GF had some objections that Nintendo just lets them be. Some interviews coming from Masuda himself say that TPC and Nintendo lets GF has its autonomy, and unless Masuda is lying (which to be fair, the Dexit debacle shows that there is doubt with him) then de jure Nintendo doesn't influence GF's decisions as much for Pokemon. I have to finish the video, just to see the argument though (although I know Nintendo part-owns Creatures so it isn't true 1/3 each).

[@zjzr08]

Ok, I watched it to the end, and it mostly says Nintendo has the most influence in how the Pokemon brand is being managed over all. Interestingly I don't disagree to that, but I do disagree that they are the ones telling GF to release games each year against their will. As you said it is out of character for Nintendo to rush games and they will typically want the games to have as less drama attracted as there is. But even with the backlash of games even since LGPE (many felt it was too basic for a $60 game) I don't seemingly think Nintendo cares to change it per se. IMO Game Freak has the final say for game design decisions and also game management, but they would need to defer it to Nintendo, which Nintendo for the post part seems to allow them. If stuff like National Dex, much less glitches in a game, return of certain features, and longer development times, I think I agree it should be directed to Nintendo. Not to put responsibility on them, but rather using their power to pressure Game Freak to have certain standards met before releasing a game.

[@ausgod538]

Because it's just speculation from him. When you compare pokemon games and Nintendo games be it developed by Nintendo or not there's a large difference

[@madnessarcade7447]

It’s not a schedule it’s brand synergy Each branch of the series is interlinked to one another

[@kakalukio]

Pokemon has the unique issue of needing to align the games with the TGC, with the anime, with the manga. If one thing gets delayed all of them get delayed. Given the amount of tie-ins and whatnot, that is kinda problematic.

[@Aerafuz]

The only issue I have with this is that it GREATLY implies that Nintendo is behind many of what the community considers Pokemon's bad gameplay decisions, or that the game's quality was due to Nintendo's fault. **Considering Nintendo had to publicly apologize for Scarlet and Violet's poor optimization not long after release,** it's hard to say that poor overworked GameFreak simply took the blame while big boss Nintendo snickered in the corner. Especially when there are plenty of interviews that showcase that GameFreak's choices in the "international Era" - That I've dubbed because 2013 was when Pokemon games released internationally all at once instead of released first then a translation later on - are deliberate in scope: no hard mode toggle and forced experience share was because their target demographic is kids with low attention spans in the mobile era of games, they want kids to easily complete a game and are fighting that attention span with easy to access mobile games. While their optimization issues could also stem from just how poor their coding is. Remember Iwata was the genius that helped Pokemon Gold and Silver have Kanto, yet after the International Era started and Iwata was absent with Pokemon especially after his death Pokemon has gotten so bloated even in the expanse of being forced to be a console series - to the point that they decided to cut Pokemon out in order to likely save data and it shows even with Scarlet and Violet that it doesn't work with optimization. It doesn't help that GameFreak likes to divide their small staff for other projects which I'd argue really cuts against a game's optimization. There was even a point when Pokemon's CEO told Nintendo the Switch would be a flop in the mobile era, and while GameFreak was likely forced to make a console Pokemon game, which I believe Nintendo helped with Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee in order to get a game out in 2018, it's possible that Pokemon likely would've gone completely mobile had Sword and Shield not proven to sell well, or that Ishihara wasn't convinced the Switch was a seller.

[@yserareborn]

I mean, Dodrio is cool and all… And it’s gen1. I get it. But Hydreigon is right there if you wanted to do the Ghidorah meme. Come oooooooon. The dark dragon muppet deserves more love.

[@louritashine]

I did consider it but I needed imagery that did not ostensibly imply one head was the "main" one, that would just not be accurate to the situation. I do love the dark dragon muppet though!

[@yserareborn]

That’s a fair point, I’ll concede. I don’t regret sticking up for my little guy though. He’s had it rough since the fairies attacked…

[@usernametaken017]

​@@louritashineI mean a big portion of the video was about Nintendo pulling the strings of the whole operation

[@louritashine]

@@usernametaken017 That is correct! But it wouldn't be any fun if we presented the answer too obviously

[@zjzr08]

From what I know the other 2 Hydreigon heads are also kinda "dead" so they don't function the same as what a Dodrio does IMO.

[@rlucasme]

I would be super interested in a US vs Japan IP video... but I'm also working under a US patent lawyer (studying up for the Patent Bar!) for the US arm of JP conglomerate. So, uh, I might be slightly more interested in it than the average viewer. Love your stuff!

[@SpookyBoe]

HOUR LONG MOON CHANNEL VIDEO LETS GOOOOOOO (Love you moon channel :D)

[@NikkiLayne]

Moony, I gotta say, this is one of the funniest scripts I've ever seen you make. Great work, bud!

[@combustible7267]

re burger king lawsuits - a little surprised it wasn't looked into in more detail and that snide remark honestly soured the video for me. the children who died from suffocation were very young, under 3 iirc. the pokeball that came with the toys didn't have a hole poked into it for air/safety and was much smaller than a standard or child sized cup/bowl, unfortunately it was exactly the right size to cover a small child's nose and mouth.

[@DiracComb.7585]

15:33 get yourself that vacation man!

[@GlichCentral]

15:26 and 59:03 for the gex the gecko cameos, for anyone who wants to re-find them.

[@noahbleroberson7797]

I remember the days when Moon Channel made Mother 3 copyright videos. Man this channel has been a ride. I enjoy your content Moon. Your work in these videos has made a great impact. If not in all of ours but in my life.

[@daddysempaichan]

9:39 "You see, in the year 325 AD..." 56:09 "The year is 325 AD" Moon that Brick Joke was immaculately set up.

[@nicodalusong149]

See, after watching DYKG's many videos on pokemon, I already figured that Nintendo was still top dog. In fact, my thought, based on interviews, was that while all three shared TPCI, Nintendo was using TPCI to pressure or meddle in Game Freak's affairs. This video just further proves my conclusion. My main beef was always "why do the devs, the people making the games, have to answer to the marketing/promotions people, the people reliant on said games and characters to be made in order to do their job?" It's just weird. And here's the answer in all it's ridiculous logic. Game Freak really got a bad deal.

[@zjzr08]

I do think Nintendo has most influence but do you genuinely believe they're the ones telling them to release games yearly when it isn't in their typical behavior (if we are to treat Game Freak as de facto Nintendo first party)?

[@ausgod538]

And yet none of that goes to other Nintendo series only pokemon isn't that funny?

[@nicodalusong149]

@@zjzr08 I mean, if the interviews are to believed, then we'd have gotten a better gen 6 game than what we got no thanks to corporate meddling to keep the games "safe". I do think Nintendo treats their first party studios differently from their second party studios. They have absolute control over their first party studios so naturally, there wouldn't be any crunch time (they'll always adjust if needed). For second party studios, they only have a degree of control and I'm willing to believe they are on a tighter leash because of that. Game Freak's a special case because of pokemon. They're making sure they have their golden goose in check. Game Freak isn't first party from what I know. If it was, we wouldn't even be having this discussion probably.

[@zjzr08]

@@nicodalusong149 It was a time where the 3DS struggled to get footing so maybe it was a desparate booster shot for Nintendo, but before that, Iwata has been very involved with Pokemon I notice, and maybe more direct in involvement than what we have now IMO.

[@tomykong2915]

Nintendo, if they were directly meddling in game freak's affairs, we'd have much better quality games from gamefreak than we do, that's the one thing Nintendo cares about a lot, quality, and experimentation, and that's not what gamefreak does usually, heck, tbf, they maybe only made legends arceus because nintendo forced them to stop making nothing but slop for a bit, so their IP would stop getting associated with sloppy and broken messes The model of constantly pumping out yearly, if anyone is likely to blame, it'd be creatures, more than nintendo, given that Nintendo hates that exact type of model, but it makes sense for gamefreak's middle management to pull this actually

[@ziose0]

Mitt Romney history being referred to as ancient history when it's like 10 years ago hurt. But continue.

[@mariokarter13]

Still can't believe he strapped Fidough to the roof of a car.

[@Iowa2006]

So... as Moony suggested, did you schedule your colonoscopy?

[@ConnieFWill]

so... you hear about the Palworld patent infringement thing?

[@ClaustroPasta]

IP laws explanation are probably the main reason I watch hours long video from this channel. That and your historical tangent LOL.

[@dasmowenator]

The wit in this video was off the charts - love it! I give it a non-euclidian hyperbolic triangle out of 22!

[@tylergillian4047]

Genuinely, this is one of the channels I am most happy exists on youtube. In the age of content slop, Moon channel is thoughtful, unique, and educational while also being actually entertaining. Helps that they don't plagiarize as well. Incidentally, bold choice to use the phrase "of the same substance of" in the intro. Certain people would seek to crucify casual use of the phrase "homoousian". The council of Nicaea called.

[@princessjellyfish98]

what about the enlightened few among us who already knew that gary was based off miyamoto and already thought that he and satoshi tajiri should kiss in real life. didn't consider that one huh moonie

[@lukestarford7608]

Hopefully this video will dispel the idea that people seem to have that the Pokemon Company is control of Gamefreak… Despite the Pokemon Company being a child company of GameFreak with having a percentage in the company

[@encapturer]

Eh, I'll continue to use TPC for shorthand for management and Gamefreak for shorthand for ground level devs. After all, it's why the The Pokemon Company was made... to manage the Pokemon IP. And given how most of my complaints stem from how things are managed.... yeah.

[@lukestarford7608]

@@encapturer Except there difference and most people show by your comment don't know or understand what each company do. Which is why this video will hopefully cover the difference. GameFreak are a game development company, they make the game of pokemon. They are not just the ground level dev's. They handle everything from planning and producing. That why Masuda job title used to be 'Director' at GameFreak during most of the production. Because he is helming the game. (Note Game Director is different from Movie and TV director.) TPC handles everything that isn't the games. Such as the publishing, marketing, licensing of everything pokemon. They handle the card games, anime, manga, film and much more. The only time TPC are involved with the game is to handle publishing, marketing, licensing of the game. And most cases, they don't do much because a lot of the choice would made by GameFreak. The choice of when to release the game or age rating would be done by GameFreak first, they then tell TPC which allows them to start making marketing for the game. Gamefreak also owns TPC. TPC are not shorthand for management, they do much much more then that and are own by Gamefreak. Gamefreak are not shorthand for ground level devs, they manage and produce the game themselves.

[@Cr3zant]

@@lukestarford7608 Nintendo are the ones who decide the release date. Game Freak may have negotiation power to eek out an extra year of dev time while another company handles a spin-off, but ultimately nintendo needs to line its pockets and they're gonna do so quality be damned, especially when they have nothing to lose by using TPC and Game Freak as a shield for any reputation hits.

[@PIKMINROCK1]

@@lukestarford7608 The actual IP is under the control of the The Pokemon Company/Nintendo. Game Freak owns a share and the general soft agreement between the involved parties is that as long as Game Freak can regularly output new generations, they can have effective control over the future of the IP. Nintendo can dislodge Game Freak if they were a considerable disaster that needed to be replaced for new entries. Despite the technical defects, Scarlet and Violet are the best performing entries since the originals and the IP is in its strongest phase is associated materials so, there is no need for those drastic moves but in the case of actually broken game or a game taking more than 5 years, there might be a need to do so.

[@zjzr08]

OK, watching the video, there is a summary that says that Moon cannot confirm or deny if Nintendo directly mandates Game Freak, but it has the power to do so. I don't disagree with this possible reality, but I also think that based on info that we do know that game wise that Nintendo (and TPC) does give GF a lot of autonomy in making their Pokemon games. So in essense it is true Nintendo has the most influence among the 3 in the conglomerate, they just let GF be IMO. That being said it also reinforces that Nintendo doesn't care about blunders GF made as long as it seems to get them money - I don't think they directly impose a yearly schedule, but they neither stop GF (game directors in particular) from doing it IMO.

[@Beymaster666099]

Hey, it's me, the guy that wants the IP law video. I don't agree with you on everything, but I love watching your videos and I've directed as many friends as I can here to watch them too. As someone who is a US citizen and lives in Japan, that IP law video would be beyond fascinating and helpful for me navigating my future endeavors. Yours truly, a fan, a brother in christ, and a guy who really likes your videos.

[@jamesvonderhaar2553]

I could write a PhD thesis on the semiotics of that Vaporeon PNG in Moon’s videos.

[@an_asp]

I honestly think the symbols this channel uses have gotten away from me at some point, and now I'm somehow having trouble figuring out what something as straightforward as vaporeon represents despite the obvious joke. When it started showing up on the diagrams all my brain could do was go "oh look, there's pictures of pokemon!"

[@lucalopez9604]

...am I hearing a match up of coffin dance and emotion for pokemon b&w?

[@flametitan100]

I love that as I was making a Trinitarianism joke in my head, you went and used that same comparison. It's a useful point of reference, even if TPC isn't one in practice

[@sergster2]

55:00 The pokemon remix of PokerFace genuninely caught me off guard.

[@Nico_rod23]

I was like “WAIT” 😂

[@lucipo_]

Silvagunner moment

[@MousaThe14]

36:08 Oh wow, I think I still have that shiny Pokeball and gold Poliwhirl card somewhere. No I am not at colonoscopy age yet I was born in ‘92, but I appreciate the warning.

[@heymemesaucevichaelhere9595]

The Iwata thing for Gold/Silver is actually a misconception, the algorithm he created was related to the speed of the game and not the size, Kanto making it in was unrelated to that but without him the games would likely be noticeably slower so his contribution is different but still valuable

[@parkerkillian187]

A surprising cameo from Joseph Smith

[@ajbXYZcool]

indeed

[@hurgcat]

never count the man out

[@samkerski]

Reminder that Displate has created a system that supports art theft. They do not "officially" allow it and will remove stolen works at the request of an artist, but anybody can upload images and each one of those requests need to be individually filed.

[@BirdKeeperToby]

I'd love to see you talk about the relationship between various game devs and KZbinr's, I'd have some thoughts to contribute! These videos are fantastic and so well researched

[@aloisweber4684]

I have been catholic all my life. When the tangent about the trinity of God came up I giggled. When the bit continued I smiled. But now, at the end, I understand. Now i know the truth. Both Pokemon and Catholicism are ruled by one thing: Thick, Long, Throbbing Neck.

[@enistoja]

The dolphin leaving to watch jacob geller taking the vaporeon then coming back later was a funny gag

[@keybladelovers]

Man I really would love to see that Nintendo American Copyright law differences video. I

[@Straw-qr5bt]

I was so taken aback this video, never before have I been so compelled into shouting “Moonie!?” At a quip or transition since I’d first subscribed. Such a treat.

[@StarlitWitchy]

The lawsuits around the pokeball toys... could they have been like that infamous mcdonalds hot coffee lawsuit where the victim was portrayed as stupid in big part due to the effort of mcdonalds itself despite mcdonalds actually being at fault for having the coffees way too hot? I'd be careful before mocking people who are making lawsuits like that for this reason. Sometimes legitimate claims are portrayed as nonesense by the larger party that's in the wrong. Not sure about this specific case but I wouldn't mock anyone until knowing the bigger picture

[@bzipoli]

its still the only place in the world where someone sued mcdonald's, and mind you, WON for their coffee being.... "too hot". or anyone who sells hot coffee as far as i'm concerned. you sound just like Kramer's lawyer on that seinfeld's episode also like i mentioned in another comment: "kinder surprise" was found to be dangerous because of choking hazard (bc of the toys etc), only in the US. so maybe you need to see the bigger way bigger picture. outside of the borders bigger (that's where the bowls joke comes from)

[@StarlitWitchy]

@@bzipoli ?

[@arnoldwu744]

Definitely want that vid on US vs JP IP law. Also, I caught that melodic coffin dance, and I was beyond confused when I did.

[@Fenrisson]

0:42 - I remember that meme too.

[@Nico_rod23]

This is kind of unrelated, but at 54:27 I just couldn’t focus on what you were saying cause the little monster in me IMMEDIATELY recognized Poker Face by Gaga with the Gen 5 soundfont, and I’m OBSESSED!

[@heitorsantoslima9289]

Moony gets more and more unhinged as we allow him to sidetrack his thoughts. Not unlike Tim Rodgers or Hbomberguy. I mean, that Jump reference was pretty on point. Edit: Brazil mentioned, come to Brazilll!!

[@MrGshinobi]

This is an awesome video but it also made me sad because it reminded me just how incredible satoru iwata was, this man single handedly saved not only gamefreak and pokemon but also earthbound and many other legendary games like smash bros, while also being instrumental to growing the pokemon brand and Nintendo as a whole, what a damn legend, rest in peace.

[@Dukstless]

Just a quick note, while Iwata did help with Gold and Silver's development, the statement of him compressing the whole game is an unfounded rumour that simply wasn't thoroughly checked until 2023, and what he did in reality was instead optimize some code to reduce load times, with all the extra space in Gold and Silver coming from I believe newer cartridges having more size.

[@PIKMINROCK1]

@@Dukstless it's not an unfounded rumor. It was mentioned in the Iwata Asks for HGSS. The problem was misinterpreting what they meant by compression. The standard definition is for file size but what Iwata did was more for the active code, which optimized the operating and load times. We honestly only know this because the Space world demos leaked and we can see the earlier code from them.

[@Dukstless]

@@PIKMINROCK1 Ah, fair enough, forgot about that one.

[@Calruxio]

This is one of those topics that lives rent free in my head. I knew most of what was brought up, but the smaller nuances behind the IP being put in a neat and tidy order really helps bring things into focus. Though still not a 100% confirmed, I do believe that Nintendo being the "main head" behind this collaboration makes the most sense. Also just wanted to point out that DYKG stated about a year or so ago that Iwata didnt personally work on the code for any pokemon games. He made an algorithm that was used in Earthbound to help speed up the game in certain places. That same algorithm was applied to Gold and Silver. The real reason Game Freak was able to fit the entire game on a single cartridge is because they were allowed to use a Megabyte cartridge which was double the size of other Gameboy games at the time. Iwata did help a lot clearly, but the rumor about him single handedly making the games fit onto the cartridge arent true.

[@RainbowAceOfSpades]

As a Pokemon and IP law enthusiast, this was a great video to watch. I commend your ability to present the complicated field of IP and Pokemon to your audience. The Christian theology analogy is brilliant.

[@SisterEllipsis]

you could make a video talking about anything law related that interests you and i would eat that shit up. Seeing one of your smooth voiced law nerding videos cross my path is one of the greatest joys in life

[@battlelegendsean]

This video is amazing, I was a little intimidated by the length at first but every little tangent and tidbit of random info added to this video beautifully

[@fleegawn9352]

As a Pokemon fan and casual spectator of the beautifully horrible web that is US law, being algorithmically served this channel has been amazing. That IP law video sounds grimly compelling ^_^ love the work!

[@Tracequaza]

another good video thank you, I think the script was really good actually, the little jokes helped to break up the pace and while I've seen it done before, I think the VSauce style intro of the topic where you start with something unrelated and then having it come back full circle in the ending is always satisfying. i would like to say that I still feel that the siivagunner music is incredibly distracting, as I'm trying to process a lot of information, while I feel it is explained well, at the same time the siivagunner mashups of 2 songs I know at the same time makes it hard to focus on it. I think it is specifically the mashups as half the time my brain is trying to figure out the joke and the other half it is hearing 2 songs mashed together and unwillingly attempting to separate them. I've expressed this sentiment before but I understand if I am the minority, I think if you used regular music the volume balancing with your admittedly warm, low and smooth voice would be adequate. thanks for this video as I have been interested in this topic tor a while!

[@Plaprad]

Man, I remember when Pokemon came out in the US. I was in high school... I should probably book that colonoscopy, huh?

[@hpfred]

Ok, yeah, this was definitely one of your more all over the place videos narratively (positively). The Family Guy writing parallel with the cutaway gag... well gag, was hilarious. As for the content of the video, in particular the topic of Nintendo maybe having a stake on Creature, that's something I remember having heard about way back. When there were conversations about Pokémon relation with Nintendo, I for a time would talk like "well actually it's three owners, but also it's majority Nintendo anyway, because they have a majority stake at Creatures, which end up meaning they own more than just a third". That is, I was like that, until people told me Nintendo didn't in fact own anything of Creature, at which point I checked and there was indeed nothing about even a minor stake ownership. Well, at the same point that you being right would make past me feel validated, I still have to put into question your conspiracy theory of Creatures being the third unlisted company they own stake at, tho. XD Like, what would be the odds of that company being just any of the other 2nd party companies that work with them. Hal themselves (unlikely since Warpstar is listed on it's own), Camelot or Grezzo. Maybe Intelligent Systems, which you mentioned they 'share' the Fire Emblem IP with, and which differently from Hal they don't have a separate entity to manage the IP. Hell, they could even have stakes at BanMco, since they work so closely nowadays. Most likely tho, it would be DeNa, the company that Nintendo got like 15% stake when they entered a partnership for them to be the developers of Nintendo mobile endeavors (and to which it was never reported of Nintendo disinvesting on them). And on one last note, I was wondering together on that list from the previous paragraph if it could've been Sora Ltd. But then I was curious about that specific case and realized that is actually only a micro business Ltd. to hire Sakurai and his wife as free lance, so it wouldn't really make sense at all lol. BUT I did see that between 2009 and 2012, Nintendo and Sora Ltd. co-owned (80-20 stake) a studio called Project Sora, which was used specifically to develop Kid Icarus (so if that shareholders report was a bit older it could've been that too).

[@zjzr08]

@hpfred I think Creatures may be part-owned by Nintendo but from what I know it's only like 10% (which means if Nintendo has 32% ownership, they have 3.4% from Creatures, meaning they have 35.4% "influence" which is still isn't majority of TPC). EDIT: Nintendo now has its own Bandai Namco adjacent conglomerate called Studio 2 and Studio S.

[@Mr.Rinfinite]

Funny enough, Hermain Cain actually knew the lyrics were from Pokemon (at least by his concession speech), leading to an excellent quote: "I believe these words came from the Pokemon Movie" m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIbKaYZulN-FiJI

[@olibricknell3510]

I cannot believe I am listening to a Driftveil City/Poker Face mashup

[@DrewworksLLC]

Bravo bravo! What an extremely well crafted video. Thank you very much for doing all of this research and compiling it into a palatable video essay.