Don't worry about the Timeline!!

[@spectacularslowpoke6018]

Congrats Larkwing on your transition and living to 30 years old

[@lalas181]

An icon

[@z-meister6366]

I need this super edition fr

[@Br3rry.hellaverse]

Warrior cats trans rep comfirmed? /j

[@theyellowferret5125]

Turns out, being transgender grants immortality!

[@Saturn_Drawz]

@@theyellowferret5125 that’s why there’s so little trans characters. It would BREAK the series lol

[@lovelytigress227]

Need a warrior cats / moonkitti out of context compilation featuring, “Let’s say Turtle Tail, again, was hit by a Ford Model-T in the year 1908.”

[@noirtreize2713]

“Turtle Tail was hit by a Cybertruck. The Cybertruck also died”

[@fannn7466]

"in this universe, cavemen invented yellow construction equipement alongside the wheel" XD

[@sparrowflash376]

​@@noirtreize2713 Thank you I choked on water reading this😅

[@jaybiird]

Jayfeather did this. This is Jayfeather's fault

[@ripscrumble]

Yes but hes cool

[@motorcitymangababe]

"jayfeather fucked up the timeline" seems like an acceptable canon answer for this

[@jickles5078]

Honestly? I do believe it's entirely possible.

[@rotomfan63]

@@motorcitymangababe The way this is worded I invision it as an It's Always Sunny title card and it's very funny to me

[@Andi-ex1js]

It kinda bugged me how at some point they were talking about stormclan and just kept going "how could they forget a whole clan, this has never happened before" when that's literally what happened to skyclan...

[@ines0499]

At least Starclan remembered Skyclan, while Stormclan was forgotten even by them

[@docdoc.4500]

It's really ironic to complain about forgetting a clan while also forgetting a whole clan

[@6es282]

They probably forgot that they forgot about Sky Clan.

[@duskyinred]

The mental image of Turtle Tail getting hit by a cybertruck will forever be dented into my brain because of this video

[@floweringfawn]

Turtle Tail getting hit by a Ford Model T gave me flashbacks to Great Gatsby

[@screwtheburgundians]

Oh gosh she’s Myrtle 😭

[@KZFathom]

@@screwtheburgundiansMyrtle tail…

[@juliawertz5282]

I got so engrossed by Moon's timeline calculations that I forgot to question why Into the Wild necessarily takes place in 2003 until she brought that up at the end of the rant. Yeah, not only is this a fantasy book, but Into the Wild could be set in any part of the 21st century you want it to, so there's plenty of room to add more nonsense into the timeline

[@starterking]

The why in 2003 is the simple logic of if a date isn't given assume that it's set in the time the book was published. Plenty of people apply this rule to other works of fiction. Does it hold up when you try to look at it from a timeline perspective? No probably not. But it's what we do because it's the Occam's razor of dates.

[@dribble909]

What What if What if Snowtuft was alive in the Stormclan era What if we're going to get Snowtuft content I love Snowtuft

[@ArsonistCat-xu9xg]

Snowtuft supremacy

[@k1wishade]

need more snowtuft content. more snowtuft content please erin hunter pleASE

[@LibraryofAcousticMagic3240]

i like this because he said he forgot most of his life. that would sort of align with the forgetting of stormclan. not that i've read ivypools heart yet. I very much plan to but have other books to read at the moment

[@wunderiee]

I want this

[@CreatureCreations-]

Here's my idea: Snowtuft was a ShadowClan cat who cared deeply about the rules and even more about following them. So ThunderClan and WindClan joining was a horrible disruption in his life. Not only that, but friends from RiverClan were now completely cut off aside from Gatherings, which were also held in the middle of StormClan's territory. He feared that StormClan would rule the forest, so one night, he went to Four Trees, the current StormClan camp, and attacked viciously, killing a few cats in the process. He was eventually killed by Stripestar, who knocked him off of the highest point of the oaks and fell to his death. The attack was the inciting incident that made StormClan leave, and we know the rest from Galestar.

[@jamiemunger2931]

I like to think that the current warriors takes place in the future, rather than the present. Theres no evidence that it doesnt, since everything regarding human technology is vague. 'A stone den' could be from any era. 'A big shiny monster' could be any car.

[@avastoyboxandarcade]

Mistystar: I was the oldest cat! Larkwing: Hold my error

[@classycadaver8264]

That made me lol out loud lmfao

[@raphlas8635]

Meanwhile, Mosspelt having gone through the *entire* series and still alive and kicking : Amateurs

[@ilovewillowrosenberg]

Also theres a kittypet in Riverstar's Home named Scooby, who i assume was named after Scooby Doo, which came out in 1969... Anyway i love this video and how it came out after i made my own (rewritten) timeline where DotC takes place in 1875 lol. I basically reread CotC for this. I applaud your effort for trying to actually work with the canon timeline

[@Moonkitti]

That would line up with gray wing's excavator.... 😭

[@TheRibottoStudios]

Then there's the kittypet named after Loki and Zelda...

[@noirtreize2713]

If Loki (kittypet) name is from Marvel version instead of the Norse myth then it’s at least AFTER 1962. Zelda is a name even before Legend of Zelda publish. However, if Zelda (kittypet) is named after the game then it’s at least AFTER 1987. Which is alright? They are in the Firestar “era” of warrior cats which is probably around 2000+ anyway.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

​@noirtreize2713 mmmmm that's cutting it pretty close but I'll take it lol

[@ilpoomatili9549]

​@@TheRibottoStudios If I remember right they lived in modern times/ future. Loki was one of the guys killed in the invasion of Riverclan, right?

[@Weirdanimalboy]

Sunney Rabbit has a very good video about how even *_modern_* Skyclan’s timeline makes zero sense when you compare Skyclan focused supplementary material and the timespan of the main arcs

[@moonnightbomb]

i LOVE not taking the warrior cats timeline seriously ever already, but i also think it's much funnier to instead keep pushing stuff from into the wild and onward just further and further into the /future/ based on stuff they keep adding into the timeline before it. into the wild and onward actually takes place in like 2072

[@VioletTaiyo]

nahh, its because Warriors is based in a parallel universe where time is an illusion

[@nova.a.star89]

is the universe a hologram too?

[@marymccann3500]

11:33 hurts me to my very soul because I tried doing this a few months back and ended up frustrated because if we assume these kitties live in the broader UK, they either wouldn't have seen it due to poor weather or they would have to live on a teeny-tiny island up north.

[@rainbow_blacklight]

so when’s the super edition about larkwing’s transition & powers of reluctant semi immortality. it’s not that unrealistic for warriors

[@teaz3139]

Larkwing/Heavystep

[@dixitwastaken]

It'll be in a novella collection alongside Heavystep's nine lives story

[@loki_is_tired]

Pretending warriors’ timeline makes sense is kind of silly! Of course it doesn’t align properly - this series started years and years ago, and it’s been written by so many different people, and written very fast. Expecting it to make sense to a real life human timeline is just… not realistic. I can understand talking about how old the cats are and such, but talking about technology to try and pin down a human year is fun, but not accurate. It’s okay that warrior cats doesn’t have a real timeline, it doesn’t have to. (Would be nice if they tried to be consistent on cats’ ages nowadays though, lol).

[@Fireycalamity]

Waiting until Moonkitti notices the error in Blackfoot's reconning about Mintkit and Marigoldkit

[@alix4935]

entirely unrelated note here but has anyone thought about like. world war 2. the uk was getting bombed to hell and back. idk how much of that the cats would have been witness to but New Forest did get a bombing range and military base(?) at the time. just saying, we should maybe have some cat community mythology about that one time a bunch of twolegplaces and distant parts of the forest got obliterated 💀

[@balladofthegoddess]

Congratulations Skywatcher for living like 40 years

[@Grimmet2137]

I straight up headcannon that Sky-StarClan made him immortal till creation of NeoSkyClan for the sake of keeping the memory alive

[@ilpoomatili9549]

Ok let's say that Turtletail wasn't hit by a Ford, instead it was Napoleonic cavalry around 1799-1815. Time line "fixed"

[@raphlas8635]

Napoleon's Cavalry in the middle of the UK.. The offensively French part of my mind wants that timeline real for some reason

[@Silvermoon32109]

For me the biggest timeline problem that prevents Stormclan isnt the human times but rather Shadowstar's Life. In the novella Skyclan's territory is already surveyed by construction workers. Starclan afterwords tell Shadowstar that this will lead to the events in Cloudstar's Journey. And its logical to assume that it doesn't take 50 years to for twolegs to cut down a forest. Which leaves no room in the Cat timeline for a period with Skyclan for Stormclan to form. So either the Stormclan origin story is changes to make it happen after Cloudstar's reign or they retcon basically all of Code of the Clans and make Galestar Sparrowstar's deputy

[@Annadog40]

They probably decided not to. Then tried agian later. That can fit.

[@Silvermoon32109]

A bit of a stretch in logic, the writers will have to be creative. It's a shame too since I like the illusion of a grand timeline that Code of the Clans presents with obscure leaders

[@Draconicdisciple]

Shadowstar's book implies that it would be a long stretch of time until it was cut down anyway, as SkyClan seems to have left 20 years before Into The Wild before it was plotted out. And it was just foreshadowed to Shadowstar that it would happen. I don't think they're mutually exclusive

[@Moonkitti]

i do agree that any construction project only taking 50 years is a little fast

[@Annadog40]

@@Moonkitti They probably surveyed then got shot down, It happens.

[@Tururruuuuuuuuuuuuu]

I honestly prefer to believe that The Prophecies Begin starts in the future and everything from then on are years that we haven't lived yet, because honestly it makes much more sense (and is more interesting)

[@Baybranch]

Im rereading Long Shadows fo a school prodject, and as soon as the yellow monsters were put into play i knew exactly what was happening. JAYPAW THE COLOR OF THE BULLDOZER DOESNT MATTTER! YOU BROKE THE TIME LINE!!!!!!

[@SpaceInvader42359]

As long as they're making the story more interesting, Warrior Cats can retcon or mess up the timeline as much as they want. The series has been stagnant for years. This is a breath of fresh air.

[@somelurker6115]

I believe in impossibly old transmasc Larkwing and no one can stop me

[@44foxyy]

When he got top surgery they also gave him an extra life

[@Tofu_The_Opossum]

@@44foxyyyeah starclan is mostly useless but the one power they do have is cat transitions with a bonus extra life

[@octaviablackthorn9]

StarClan Cinderheart’ed them. They reincarnated him as the male cat he always longed to be

[@BabyPowderW]

​@@octaviablackthorn9that would explain the pelt color change (I love this idea so much)

[@orangetreestudiosII]

Do you think the territories (forest or lake) ever got hit by airstrike attacks? The cats have lived there during both World Wars, they must’ve seen like at least 1 military plane fly over head or heard 1 explosion

[@alix4935]

I THOUGHT THIS AS WELL like perhaps we should have a handful of community oral stories about that one time a part of a twolegplace or a distant part of the woods got obliterated… or like the time that they got like flown over by like hundreds of bombers… the region of England that inspired the old territory seems to be like right under d day air routes💀

[@Virtual_Nikki]

Maybe that is why storm clan are not remember and faded because the whole clan, most of the clan, got wiped out by an air rade. the strangler went back to the forest territory, never to speak about it again.

[@orangetreestudiosII]

@Virtual_Nikki ooh I like that idea!

[@Twuwu]

It always bothered me how Dawn of the Clans still seemed to take place in a modern time. 😭

[@tigerpeltofwindclan8431]

Meh, I don't really care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@deweyr_fisher]

“continuity? what continuity?” -the erins, probably

[@Mushroomsdragonz]

I noticed this reading ivypool and just assumed it was never going to be talked about ty for noticing!!!!!

[@cosmiccambion]

rip every 5th grade fanmade stormclan that now needs renaming, you might be missed

[@Danmeilover69]

The clans are treated like they are ancient. So there is no way that modern books take place during modern day. Unless, humans in this world invented cars waaaaaaaaay earlier than they did in our world.

[@Kajimityphoon]

Its possible, some stories use alternate history to make history different than it already is, also i think cats are color blind so jays wings seeing yellow construction monsters could of been inaccurate

[@Anonymous-vtauoytrtfocgabp]

​@@Kajimityphooncats are red-green colorblind, so they can see yellow and tell it apart from blue

[@NitroIndigo]

Cats don't live as long as humans, so their idea of what's "ancient" could be more recent to us.

[@wunderiee]

Every time someone tells me warrior cats isn’t that complicated and deep I’ll show them this video.

[@Rookiewompus]

Steve Shives, a Star Trek KZbinr, likes to bang this drum a lot. Whenever the fandom gets itself in a twist about how to reconcile canon and some new detail in a new show, he likes to remind all of us: it's fiction. It's fun. I think trying to make detailed timelines and reconcile inconsistencies in canon can be such a fun part of being in a fan, but the minute it prevents you from enjoying the actual media itself, then you're just getting in your own way.

[@ViccarAbyss]

I'd like to think that human years just don't matter in Warriors. Focus the timeline along an indeterminate amount of years focused entirely around the cats. Humans aren't the focus after all. Leaving it vague means that there's infinite room for growth and silly shenanigans and I prefer that tbh

[@mayra3277]

Into the Wild is actually set at the same time as Star Trek: The Original Series. This makes perfect sense because, for both franchises, the more editions and prequels were added the more confusing and impossible the timeline got.

[@quaelgeist3337]

3:39 Let's goo Bloomheart mention. I stopped watching sao abridged for this and that makes it worth it

[@0rb]

Let's goo🍭💧

[@AmyMist]

2:27 my 21 year old cat is sitting on my arm as I watch this. i will ask his opinion edit: he purred and put his paw on my face

[@darkninjafirefox]

Omg the sad turtle tail drawn under the model t's wheel

[@HarmlessJesting]

I remember when I used to love figuring out timelines of books myself (especially Series of Unfortunate Events) I think if I did this for Warriors back then it'd be like pulling teeth XD

[@Kaytoun]

I just assume Warriors is on a sliding timescale, like in comics or cartoons. The timeline remains vague on purpose because there are so many different changing writers that it's hard for them to corroborate on what is solid canon and what isn't.

[@LightCat22]

You cannot stop me Moonkitti. The timeline is horrendous. It must be worried about.

[@Moonkitti]

Clearly I can't, didn't even finish the video yet

[@Sootielove]

Trying to figure out timelines or cat genetics is for fun fandom puzzles, not the series itself. I like trying to fit this nonsense timeline together because I'm a numbers person but it only makes the series worse when people seriously try recon the talking cult cats books into reality

[@jamgin9890]

need someone to write fanfic about weedwhisker the myserious elder and his zaza

[@rorytelling]

This is a very Game Theory video and I appreciate it

[@averageanimefan519]

Now I just want to see how the clans would handle newer things like drones lol

[@Someperson12532]

I want to see how they'd handle a world war tbh

[@sapphanimates]

i loved the part when moonkitti mentioned that shattering sky has to take place sometime after 1986 so that zelda could be named after the legend of zelda

[@Moonkitti]

Zelda's been a real name for a long time

[@IncBot]

I love Warrior Cats and I love cars. This is my favorite video ever. And I love the still at 12:15 so much

[@fanpet3912]

Warrior cats is simply in a timeless universe

[@JustAnotherHaiku]

you know let's just assume the erins did not look up when yellow excavators were invented when they were writing dotc

[@meloncat3935]

Erin Hunters forgot there ever was a timeline

[@Thesladenator97]

Omg can we have warrior cats during world war 2

[@Someperson12532]

Let's start a petition!

[@chesterlee1182]

Moonkitti loves STORMCLAN I love STORMCLAN Warrior cats love STORMCLAN Jayfeather destroys everything…

[@bOraNge_The_Smiley_Orange]

I was actually thinking about the thing with jays wing the other day, I did a little math and the timeline of warriors is around 300 years, assuming 15 years per cat life and 20 cat generations would be 15x20=300. I talked to someone about this and they called me insane but idk ah this kind of thing was brought up in the video, i see now, i was on the right track i belive?

[@SolLinnea]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is also going by the assumption that the next generation starts immediately after the other dies, and forgetting that wildcats do not have as long of a lifespan as housecats. I'm aware warriors seems to still stretch it further, so I'd assume that generally, if a kit makes it to elder, they'd probably be around 12 years old or less. After all, I recall someone saying Mistystar lived for aprox. 15 years, and she was definetly considered very old for warrior cats. That being said, I don't think the timeline makes any more sense

[@bOraNge_The_Smiley_Orange]

@@SolLinnea yeah, I just came up with that after five minutes of thinking in the car, I didn’t put much thought into it, and the timeline is very all over the place

[@Aetherblade-z4o]

​@@bOraNge_The_Smiley_Orangeyour timeline might actually make sense if we put in the in the fallout timeline and assume Scotland is not hit with any nukes and continues technological progress at a very.... Very slow pace giving us the three hundred year timeline we want

[@tinycatfriend]

@@Aetherblade-z4o you gotta write this fanfic now. this little tidbit is gonna live in my brain for a while thank you

[@delph7865]

that is is literally like MatPat trying to fit everything in Fnaf in a timelime

[@Watermelon_Gacha]

I really want to read Ivypool's heart now

[@valmid5069]

Thanks for today's great content! Lots of wibby wobbly timey wimey stuff when it comes to timelines

[@roryschoenecker4756]

Moonkitti posted wake up babe!!!! Love it, keep making content

[@Forgotten6620]

I've honestly never really cared about the timeline anyway. I used to try and find out for fun, but Warrior Cats is Warrior Cats, a timeline won't change that. They obviously have to have had cars by the time Turtle tail got hit by a Ford tho

[@whouni]

Hi moonkiti, love your vids, here’s a comment so the algorithm likes your vids more!

[@siliconsulfide8]

8:56 wait, I thought it was Skywatcher's grandma who was an ex-SkyClan cat? ok yeah, the Wiki has the quote about his "mom's mom" being born into the Clan - I assume if Skywatcher's mom, Lowbranch, was also supposed to be a SkyClan cat they would mention it (and her name could've been a quasi-ceremony or a DoTC-style full name at birth)

[@_exolite]

I’ve just decided to wilfully ignore any time weirdness in warriors. It can’t hurt me if I scream “NUH UH”

[@lj2659]

About leaders lasting like 4 years- It drives me crazy how short leaders lives last !! Like they have 9 extra lives but they die around the same time as all their clanmates. Shouldn't they be living at least 3x as long? How did all the leaders die 9 times so quickly? And what's the point of 9 lives if they can die of old age anyways (like Tallstar)

[@LibraryofAcousticMagic3240]

wasn't it supposed to be for sacrificing the leader so others can live. Like, being the last to eat in times of hunger or doing sth risky to save cats. idk

[@lj2659]

@@LibraryofAcousticMagic3240 that would definitely make sense but I feel like we never see that happen. Like Onestar, Firestar and Bluestar sacrificed their final life but they didn't do it 9 times you know

[@tinycatfriend]

@@lj2659 firestar absolutely did it multiple times. i can think of 2 lives off the top of my head where he was reckless on purpose to save others, and i havent read those books in a decade. he lost one fighting rats for skyclan, and another to greencough when he could've avoided it

[@lj2659]

@@tinycatfriend True, I guess Firestar is an exception, but he's always been selfless

[@alixmalone19]

I always assumed it was because leaders would feel a little more comfortable throwing themselves into danger, thus losing lives fairly quickly.

[@axelf9947]

...Didn't.... didn't Shaded Moss also get killed by a car several years before Turtle Tail...? oh man...

[@MizzyMiz]

my cannon timeline is that the gap between cloudstars journey and dawn of the clans is actually just infinite, and that as long as no one remembers nothing happened there but if something is remembered is just poofs back into existance, and that turtle tail was hit by an extreme antique collector in 2020 and that Firestar was born in the year 3000. Basically the cats all have severe genetic memory issues from all the inbreeding, outa sight outa mind style.

[@FernFlight-t1k]

Week 3 of asking for a talking bumble lol

[@Moonkitti]

It's coming!!

[@chesterlee1182]

oh Jayfeather. PLEASE Jayfeather It is ur fault

[@Oceansodaz]

The only way I can see Warrior Cats' timeline making sense is if the Warrior Cats exist in the future rather than our modern day

[@SaltyCryptidZ]

i fully thought until this moment that Storm lived in an old parking garage not at ALL realizing parking garages are also 1920's onward things

[@hyphurr.rarelypostsifever1220]

I stop paying attention for a little but and THERES A NEW CLAN????????????????? WHAT THE SHIT????

[@CSXP408x]

How much more jacked up would the timeline be in my AU then? Firestar in my AU is still alive as of the latest book in the main series because he (or she in my AU) is quite literally a star in the sense that she has nuclear fusion going on inside her and is held together by gravity, not to mention, she is an orange dwarf star and due to some unique characteristics could shine on for as long as 100 billion years, 4.7 billion of which have already been spent

[@taeko3508]

The timeline is even worse when you look at code of the clan I LOVED it as a kid and would read it (I loved this story in which the med cat create a fake sign to appoint someone as leader) all the time. But it really does make the timeline very weird and long

[@snowscapeddreams6300]

Warrior Cats is actually in a simulated reality. You can trust me, my uncle is Erin Hunter.

[@brunettebi4111]

Just thinking about the timeline gives me a headache. Ouch...

[@CrossCalipso]

Mapleshade experienced the Great Depression and iPhones at the same time in this universe

[@roseteapetals]

Turtletail being hit by a cybertruck is unrealistic bc they're illegal in the uk. The cynertruck also dying is unrealistic as well but the driver of the cybertruck dying after hitting a cat isn't because cybertruck drivers have hit earthworms and died

[@chesterlee1182]

can u make a video talking about Jayfeather plz???😢😮😊❤

[@shockfoxy921]

You can't make a dated timeliness unless the writers of the series care about affixing it to real time events, they need to work by the rules of the fiction not the rules of reality

[@Goobally]

As toms kits i can confirm that i was locked in a garage against my will and was totally not having fun playing hide and seek

[@RobynLapp]

SkyClan getting such a bad deal on territory in the original forest is especially odd considering proto-ThunderClan was originally a breakaway group from proto-SkyClan and not the other way around. I want historical backstory where the territories shifted, with ThunderClan taking SkyClan land that was once between them and RiverClan.

[@C0rner_Dweller]

Video four of asking for a talking: Ripplestar

[@Feezee223]

Why am i so invesnted in this video i havnt read warrior cats in years (unless you count the new graphic novel)

[@mowserbedowser5436]

Moonkitti VIDEOS have that effect on people XD

[@Viscellaneous_Rim]

i havent believed in a proper timeline ever since reading Code Of The Clans

[@bigearcat96]

honestly atp I just dont worry about the timeline. Its a different universe, for all we know years might be 13 months with 480 days or some shit.

[@FunDipOneDip]

The timeline especially in super editions makes me wanna explode in rage 😭🙏

[@SamSparks95]

My over 15 year old cat is shaking his paw at this video

[@Ivypool123]

yes that was the only thing that confused me there wasn't enough time that the Stormclan timetime can fit between dawn of the clan and the recent book timeline

[@Anamizuki]

Empty spots in canon EXIST for later use. Trying to smush all into a neat timeline limits what you can do with the story. Plus, let's be honest, the bigger issue is that what Feathertail killed was not a cougar but a British big cat cryptid. Since we know Scottish wildcats have ties to the clans. /s Guys, it is not real, have fun!

[@leezard7696]

I think that maybe the cats simply should not be trusted when they describe constuction equipment and this takes place on an alternate earth where the humble escalator was invented in the 1700s

[@alix4935]

TURTLE TAIL AND THE CYBERTRUCK 😭🙏

[@LuckythecatZ-]

Maybe it was the consistant timelines we made on the way 😔

[@dragonstar912]

And this is why fiction is so fun. Nothing ever makes sense, and that's fine.

[@crumblyairship]

"the model T universe" made me giggle

[@BLACKBURN763]

in my book, everything happens in Russia and now I'm confused about how to arrange the chronological order of events correctly

[@nightwatcherfallen-waters4789]

Half the fun is trying to figure out the timeline. It’s so funny to me….human time doesn’t matter to the cats but it’s funny to imagine mapleshade being a 80’s girlie. So funny(but nothing worth worrying over)

[@animefreak120]

I can't really begin to care about the timeline of a book series where cats end up having superpowers and fighting evil ghosts of their dead kin lol

[@shinesoul7472]

Wonder how Bonefall is going to handle stormclan. This will be funny

[@flarithen]

all ive absorbed is that larkwing is a tboy

[@aaliyah3998]

I MISSED THIS TOO? BRIGHT GUARDIAN AKIRA AND KAITLYN FLAMES POSTED, AND MOONKITTI?! IN THE SAME DAY!? OMG MY KZbinRS ARE FEEDING ME GOOD TODAYYY

[@lilybethwalters4433]

My personal headcanon (don’t attack me) is the the clans are 200-250 years old ish and the if you were to put “human” dates on anything, they are living in the “future” essentially. Especially because I think there are way more leaders than we know of. Code of the clans has a lot bits about leaders and there’s way more in between the gaps too. I also headcanon rock was around 500 years ago, a very ancient spirit. But you know this is all how my brain works it out, not true but it’s my own thought process lol. That way Turtle is hit by a real car, it’s just that the modern cats are in the future way past our date or whatever 😅