Moralism and Accuracy of the Bible

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[@acebailey2478]

Defending the Bible as a moral book is like being the defense attorney for a client who constantly shouts to the judge "IM GUILTY! IM GUILTY!"

[@acebailey2478]

Your honor he doesn't REALLY mean that. Let me tell you what he's trying to say. Trust me bro

[@cajohnson130]

Lol exactly

[@rylanasher4756]

I like this, great comment 👌

[@nicholasbanton]

Like defending OJ

[@ThorsDecree]

I'm gonna steal that simile, that's a good one :D

[@ianchisholm5756]

'The Bible is perfectly moral. Half of it doesn't apply any more, and I haven't read it well enough to defend it.'

[@acebailey2478]

This guy would get a gold, silver, and bronze medal if mental gymnastics were an Olympic event.

[@jimmiebarrett2866]

I know, right? "We know Mary was sinless"... wtf? How could you possibly know that?

[@acebailey2478]

@@jimmiebarrett2866 my dude even understood the shellfish thing better than God himself did when he was writing the Bible! God was like: shellfish is so WRONG! This guy: see, this was a deep metaphor about honesty or some sh**.

[@straunwagner6322]

I will never not be completely astonished by Christian’s ability to comfortably sit within cognitive dissonance.

[@Tenebris_Sint]

Christians: “The Bible is literal and without errors………………………. except for this verse we’re discussing.” 🙃

[@cajohnson130]

Yep. Anything inconvenient is interpreted away.

[@hail_satan]

The parts I don't like are metaphorical. The parts I do like are impossible to not be true.

[@PHDinADHD]

My boy Erik never misses. Hail Spanky!

[@nicholasbanton]

There are endorsements of slavery in the New Testament. 1 Peter 2:18, Saint Peter writes "Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." " Colossians 3:22, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord." No where in the Bible is there an explicit decree not to own slaves. The best semi direct claim Christians have is a rebuke of kidnapping another slave owner's slave and perhaps a criticism of people who sell slaves (1 Timothy 1:9-10) BUT it depends on which translation. Some versions say selling slaves, some say stealing slaves. However, if you inherited your slaves you've neither bought nor stolen them. So there is no direct pronouncement against the institution of slavery to the best of my knowledge in the Bible. Please correct me with chapter and verse if I'm mistaken.

[@HisZotness]

Caller is what Mr. Deity would term an "excusegist."

[@marcsman07]

Mr. Deity is great 😂

[@vulcaestus]

"Actually I haven't even read the baybul so I have no idea what you're talking about. However I'll assume I'm right because of course YOU would interpret it that way, the wrong way." Sums up the whole video lmao

[@BaronVonQuiply]

02:48 _"Worship me or my dadself will set you on fire because we're so loving and humble, NOW WORSHIP ME OR I'LL EATYOUR KIDS!"_ is a bit of a sticking point for me.

[@cajohnson130]

God loves you. He created a world where you have the "free will" to either worship him or not. If not, you burn forever! He loves you tho. Kind of like the guy who holds you at gunpoint for money, you have the free will to say no. Imagine loving your wife so much you'd burn her alive for not worshiping you.

[@RangerJ602]

Christians will defend it too, sounds a lot like Stockholm syndrome.

[@larryscarr3897]

Well.. not you exactly, but the ghost that operates you like a meat puppet, is totally going to get it..

[@cajohnson130]

@@larryscarr3897 Threats are not gonna make your god all of a sudden have evidence. The great juju under the sea loves you.

[@EricusXIV]

1 Peter 2:18 Servants, you must obey your masters and always show respect to them. Do this, not only to those who are kind and thoughtful, but also to those who are cruel.

[@seraphinaaizen6278]

It's very telling that this guy who is attempting to claim the book is morally perfect and contains no immoral messaging has clearly never read the thing.

[@dbt5224]

Jesus also killed a fig tree, simply for doing what he made it to do. Perhaps not immoral, but kind of a dick thing to do.

[@ButConsiderThis]

@@dbt5224I think that whole ordeal is obviously symbolic by the writers but yeah. On a surface level it’s kinda goofy.

[@Tenebris_Sint]

We know the Virgin Mary didn’t ascend to heaven because the original text literally waits she wasn’t a virgin, only a young girl who had come of age. The Hebrew word for virgin is “bethulah” which never appears in relation to Mary. Greek scholars mistranslated “almah” (young girl) to virgin because in Greek mythology, almost every savior figure was born of a divine father and virgin mortal mother. This lines up with Judaism where the Messiah isn’t divine or born of a virgin and doesn’t die. The Jewish Messiah is a secular king anointed by god who does specific things, none of which Jesus fulfilled. (I’m atheist buy raised Jewish) Watch what happens when you inform a Christian that their bible says the Messiah will be named “Emmanuel.” (Matthew and Luke)

[@cajohnson130]

Like pinning jelly to a wall. They can make anything mean anything. Mixed fabics means weaving truth and lies? Its like a rorschach test for believers. Arent theists tired of contorting into knots to hold these beliefs?

[@acebailey2478]

That's such a marvelous comparison. And this God could've prevented a lot of confusion if he had just actually said the thing these idiots say he said.

[@lubrew5862]

Peterson states - “you are not presenting your case”. This could be said about every time a theists presents their case.

[@incomingincoming1133]

I've heard about mental gymnastics. I've talked about mental gymnastics. I thought I saw high level mental gymnastics before. But often it was just a defense mechanism for cornered ppl. But this guy turns it into a real sport, and is very deliberate and very conscious of his lying.

[@Ploskkky]

The guest is right. In the bible "slave" does not mean slave. It means "favorite lovely person, who is not a slave at all".

[@acebailey2478]

Holy hell, he's trying so hard. You honestly could've gone in on him much harder. But just let him talk and it keeps getting worse lol

[@monodescarado]

So many hoops were jumped through. ‘The book is moral, if you also concede to these 25 points’

[@darrendelaney8161]

yeah never mind the part 1 that speaks of a god and prophecies and rules and stuff and provides context to part 2. yeah F that old book!

[@dbt5224]

I was told by a presup in a YT comment section that commands contain no truth value. Why should you be punished for going against something that is not true?

[@trevorjrooney]

Saying the young guys mocking Elijah for being bald were threatening his life reminds me of the guy recently who stabbed several teens, one of whom died.

[@Th3MrJ3st3r]

"I think when the Bible says that, it means this" "Where does it say that it means that" "🤷‍♂️"

[@pixelimperfect7569]

Guy is MASSIVELY confident in his position for someone who also admittedly isn't well read or studied on the subject and admits that you have to intuit the text to arrive at his (and supposedly his cult at large's) position

[@peterwyetzner5276]

Renaissance art isn't only about Jesus- that's what makes it Renaissance art. There's lots of paintings that depict scenes from classical myth, and sometimes from historical events.

[@830toAwesome]

This guy has "looked into it" and by that he means: He's listened to apologists. Listening to any Old or New Testament scholars or scholars of the Near East would have this guy spinning.

[@O_l_i_v_e_n]

You are probably my sixth favorite person ever

[@SteveLaw-UK]

We have the same problems with D&D rules. Rules As Written vs Rules As Intended. Except the people who wrote the rules will explain them to us. And they also allow for interpretation and changing rhe rules as part of the rules. And none of them condemn you to eternal torture.

[@123gamer153]

Damn this quest is reading a lot into the text that isn't even there in context, like the two bears thing.

[@LillyTheLonelySock]

I always want to ask these people how they would respond if they found that, in the Bible, God commanded his people not to wear the colour blue under penalty of death. Would they actually believe that wearing blue is morally wrong? Would they obey it?

[@displacegamer1379]

Notice how he always refers back to some unproveable fact. Things like, "It was word of mouth" which is unprovable. "It was in a lost text", unprovable. It is always some unproveable thing that will prove his case correct.

[@darzik]

Someone buy this guy a pair of new tap shoes. Because Boy oh boy did he dance around your questions 🤦‍♂️

[@heruraha93]

This dude has a serious case of catholic "breathy therefore serious and compassionate" vocal affectation

[@celiand2618]

"Spiritual sense" : look, it's crazy, let me give it a meaning.

[@lordlaughypants5889]

I think the simple way that there are four narratives with different agendas says a lot.

[@whatwecalllife7034]

You'd think that an author who tailors their story to appeal to certain audiences would be a gigantic red flag in regards to the historicity of what they wrote....but Christians have a vested interest in their stories being true, so it turns out that it's a gigantic green flag for them😂 Can't make this shit up if I tried

[@tomifadiran5644]

So convenient. Every single objectionable thing in the bible is taken out of context, even the parts i havent even read

[@patrickpiazza5482]

It’s supposed to be the most important book in the history of the Earth, and it just can’t be clear on what it means? It’s supposed to be God’s words, but we have to guess at what they mean.

[@dbt5224]

I've been told that God is not the author of confusion.

[@patrickpiazza5482]

@@dbt5224 The Bible wholly contradicts what you’ve been told

[@dbt5224]

@@patrickpiazza5482 I typed it sarcastically, but forgot to add the #sarcasm.

[@patrickpiazza5482]

@@dbt5224 as a lover of sarcasm, I should have caught that!!! Totally on me!!!

[@worldofurda]

And in the Mental Gymnastics event, let's see what the scores... And the judges give him a perfect 10!

[@peterwyetzner5276]

I wonder if he applies the same intellectual methods to other aspects of his life in which changing his opinion about something would not be particularly challenging for him; say, whether you should brush your teeth before or after breakfast.

[@bgiv2010]

This would all be a lot simpler if they could define the nature of God without appealing to the Bible.

[@stevenbatke2475]

I try to never accuse a Christian for knowing their bible. It’s less disappointing for the both of us ;)

[@project_nihilist]

Gods perfect book is so clear that it needs twisted up with _interpretations_

[@jonathanjrgensen6774]

How the fuck did he get from "Don't mix fabrics" to "Don't mix truth with lies"? Did I miss something? Why does he get to decide a clear commandment becomes metaphor one day? And why is this the meaning of the "metaphor"?

[@alexritchie4586]

This guy seems to think the Bible has a Hadith that only he has read. Also, why would an omniscient, omnipotent being communicate its commands to us in riddles and metaphors?

[@chobin7982]

Bro u r right. The catholic version of hadiths is called informal tradition.

[@jimmiebarrett2866]

This dude sounds smart but, every sentence has a contradiction in it basically. Commandments are the nature of God, but if he doesn't tell you not to do the thing then it's moral, until he tells you not to and you do it, then it becomes immoral? But immorality is inherent in sins like, wtf is happening in your brain my guy?

[@jonathanjrgensen6774]

28:48 how did they know they had first century manuscripts? They couldn't carbon date it, what other methods could they have used that would produce accurate results?

[@WhoDunIt2]

His entire argument can be summarized by the phrase "I'm pretty sure..."

[@mustachemac5229]

I truly wish that when he asked you if there was anything you disagreed within the New testament you brought up the book of Revelation. I'm surprised you didn't

[@planetpeterson2824]

I actually wrote it down when we were talking because there's some weird stuff in there about rivers of blood being miles deep, but then I forgot about it

[@doranku]

The peaceful Jesus. But don't read the text literally, it is just figurative otherwise it would not fit my narrative. Matthew 10:34-36 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

[@mustachemac5229]

If you think that is crazy you should read parts of the book of Revelation where it talks about Jesus breaking the seal which allows God's wrath to pour upon the Earth. This is something that Jesus allows to happen. It's pretty disturbing.

[@doranku]

@@mustachemac5229 Well the promise was to not flood the Earth ever again, but there are so many terrible ways to unalive humans for a eternal being to come up with. My prediction is that there are at least over 9*10^9 ways. So we are safe for now till the worl population exceeds the number of unique ways.

[@studiooriginals]

To the "Biblical inerrancy" Christian, showing that something is technically possible is sufficient to show that it almost certainly is true

[@RangerJ602]

Commanded it in the Old Testament but not the New so it doesn’t count. Except ITS THE SAME GOD DING DONG!

[@kaidiirty6100]

Guy: “You’re not interpreting it right” Big PP: “how else would you interpret it?” Guy: “I’m not gonna defend something I haven’t read” How is it that in any given instance the atheists know more about the book than the religious? Because they’re intellectually lazy, that’s why🙏

[@guitarista67]

What infuriates me the most with these scumbags is the arrogant confidence and calm with which they make these nonsense impossible statements.

[@kaweckipiotr]

Ridiculous. I feel sorry for this guy… he basicly said the bible will say whatever you want. You just have to interprate it how ever you want. Becouse it doesn’t say what it say unless it saying what it saying … i feel sorry for him

[@commentary2378]

I beat a guy named Jesus in 8 Ball Miniclip while watching this video

[@MyReligionIs2DoGood]

Why would a god punish humans for eating unclean animals that HE created? Why did he create them as 'unclean' in the first place? What's the point?

[@nagranoth_]

snort... what accuracy?

[@Disturbed0neGaming]

Just listening to this guest speak makes me feel like I need to take a shower, to wash off the slime emanating from him...

[@BatManokov]

Jesus said obey your masters EVEN THE CRUEL ONES in the New Testament that's fed up

[@LoveAllAnimals101]

I have no idea what the word "bible" means and neither do a vast majority of its supposed adherents either.

[@displacegamer1379]

15:56 Just a hint, any time you hear the word 'context' just know that BS is about to come next. They are about to say a whole bunch of stuff the bible did not say.

[@patrickwoodrow277]

Gday mr peterson

[@SeanArchibeque]

Reads the bible, notices god is a maniac.. xtians: oh but that is just your interpretation lol

[@gryph01]

Shorthand? Seriously? Holy flying spaghetti monsters Batman!

[@bokoura]

Matthew 5:17-18 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." Jesus explicitly said all of the Old Testament laws still applied. Christians are so dishonest.

[@CeezGeez]

they just make 💩 up as they go lmao

[@ajniecithya5849]

Why was an all powerful god not able to write his book in a way that every human could just understand? Should have been easy for him, so the confusions about the bible was intentional, for whatever reason. Perhaps some kind of godly humor or funny game we don't understand.

[@andreasplosky8516]

The amount of copium in this guy forms a mountain as high as the Everest.

[@CeezGeez]

$100 says he hasn’t even read his bible

[@autarken]

"other people" make the bible say what they want it to because it serves their agenda, but the caller here just "correctly interprets" the bible... bwahahahah, then he's "pretty sure" the gospels were just letters to different people for different purposes (disregarding so much scholarly investigation into sources)... dude literally just makes up what he wants it to say to fit his agenda

[@jimmiebarrett2866]

Wow, so this guy really thinks that we know for sure that Mary was sinless... because reasons

[@Jo-JoandTaffy]

This kid needs to do less thinking.

[@dougbrown9048]

The bible isn't unsucky

[@Maximalistcollector]

Peoples need to learn that the word “unalive” is a trend word, is not because the word suicide or kill, is too harsh

[@powercheese2580]

Nothing bad in the new testament. Revelations. Pick one.

[@GallaxATK]

Who wouldve thought the most important book thats solely responsible for deciding whether or not youre permenantly tortured is so hard to interpret. But this guy knows everything about how to interpret the bible. We did it guys! 2000 years later and we finally found the only dude who knows

[@zacharyberridge7239]

Jeremy Beremy has been found

[@2stroke4me]

The bible is the word of god. God's word is perfect. Nobody can speak on god's behalf. Speaking for god is punishable by death (Deuteronomy 18-20). Your guest needs to read his bible. (I'm not religeous btw).

[@pams6763]

Christians just create their own Christianity every time they read the Bible and make it mean whatever they want it to

[@tharveytucker1]

He is pure apologetic

[@DoctorX101]

Another believer of fairy tales, who never actually read the source of his fairy tales. He just picks an apology that fits what he wants.