Ogryns might just be BROKEN! | 10th Edition | Astra Militarum Tactics

[@dixoniii]

Guys imagine putting 12 ogryn in a storm Lord where they shoot out of the hatches while using the storm lord for its toughness and maybe an engineseer to also give a 4 invuln. Just imagine the dakka comming out of that thing.

[@coldsteel.and.courage]

Drop 2 Primaris Psykers in there too 😉

[@griffin5653]

@@coldsteel.and.couragethey can’t attach to Ogryn to give them the invuln so they’d be useless

[@Zurgo-fl1kx]

@@griffin5653 No, but they can fire their maelstroms out of the stormlord

[@coldsteel.and.courage]

@@griffin5653 lol, bro, it's not about the invulnerable save. It's about stuffing 2 extra d6+3 blast devastating wounds attacks you can buff up to hitting on 2's from Lord Solar (rerolling 1's for the scout Sentinel).

[@caelvanir8557]

A KZbinr who used to do 40k content called it the “Ogryn party bus”

[@Storehouse-805]

thanks for making these! I don't really have time to do such in depth analysis on my own so these videos help me out a ton!

[@sheevpalpatine9532]

Ogryns are my favourite models to paint. They're so chunky and fun to paint.

[@Valhallan-1212]

I know this is a bit situational, but if you put them ontop of a ruin they get an extra AP so marine save is now 5+. Gr8 vid :)

[@Bluecho4]

At that point, the only threat to them is the ruined floor they stand on crumbling beneath all that concentrated BEEF.

[@warcraftdude13]

Everything that is imperial guard is broken according to Mordian.

[@aoofmg6684]

Or entirely useless 😄

[@Troph2]

Russian nesting doll 12 ogryns a servitor squad in a stormlord usimg 1 order from lord solar on firing deck 24, followed by a texh priest and more servitors with plasma cannons.

[@bringerebrethil6176]

I just bought, built and Primed a box of Bulgryns for those delicious grenade launchers and the follow up unit will be the Ogryns and will be getting 6 of em for all that dakka. The information you just granted only makes my reasoning even greater as I’m moving away from lots of tanks to just one Strongpoint tank winged by 2 lighter variants to take on other tanks.

[@venkelos6996]

I still don't like that they can't be escorted, and buffed, by Commissars, or Priests, and that Guard don't have a second, faster, stealthy assault unit, like something Catachan, with big knives, and camo cloaks, but I am happy that they seem at least decent, when in the past, that wasn't always the case.

[@coldsteel.and.courage]

I've been using Ogryn Bodyguard in with my command squads. A couple of days ago Mortarion popped the strat to try and snipe out the Lord Solar in combat. Mortarian did 6 wounds, I passed 3 invulnerable saves, and then rolled m 4+++ FNP and managed to survive the 12 points of incoming damage! The Lord Solar with that feel no pain is downright chunky, especially since most opponents want to try and melee sniper him out as he's buried in the squad.

[@fungoidshaman3120]

Ok here's an idea: board 6 ogryns on a Crassus, unit dissembarcs on front of an enemy unit you don't want to see anymore. The Crassus shoots, special rule activates if you hit with it's shooting attacks. Ogryns are now 36 shots, 4+ to hit, S5, AP -2 for point blank, D2 and reroll 1's to hit with the scout sentinel and reroll the wound rolls because of the Crassus.

[@callumcary-green5946]

Can confirm 3rd edition toughness 4, still got my codex, missing my infantry platoons

[@ravajaxe]

That's right. But hey, you should rejoice for we can take infantry squads as pseudo-platoons in 10th : two squads slapped together, with the platoon command squad added in. 🙂 This corresponds to the minimal sized platoon back then.

[@lazyvipurr4698]

You are correct that in 3rd edition they were only a Toughness 4, and because the Imperial Guard did not get a 4th edition codex this just carried over.

[@GobboIsGood]

Excited to see about Bullgryns now.

[@iapetusmccool]

Don't kniw about 3rd edition, but Rogue Trader ogryns were S4 T5, with 3 wounds. (S5 T6 W5 for Bone 'Eds once Guard got their army list).

[@Tigerheart01]

I've only played a handful of games in 10th so far, however my Ogryns have performed in every single battle. Until our Codex or an update changes them they'll be in every list I make going forward.

[@kostakatsoulis2922]

Right then, time to go re-listen to the Gav And Bob saga

[@NoName-lo9ym]

Why can't Commissars join Ogryn or Bullgryn? Someone answer me that? It's fluff accurate and appropriate and would make an Ogryn/Bullgryn plus Commissar squad a genuine good pick rather than leaving them all as 6/10 units

[@elliotyourarobot]

Hold The Line by TOTO should be the song of the Guard.

[@robinburt5735]

Ogryns since 2nd/3rd were always toughness 5 and 3 wounds. The only thing that has changed really was the range of ripper guns. They used to hit automatically with a lot of sustained fire dice (3? )at Str 4, 1 wound..er cant remember the minus armour save but i think it didn't have one, basically a drum-fed auto shotgun. 1st Edition the melee troops you wanted were sanctioned beastmen units, or assault guard with jetpacks. Back in the day they were my fave target for warp spiders as they had virtually no armour, and warp spiders automatically wounded if you were under the template and if you failed your save you died no matter how many wounds you had. Nowadays (i'm guard and eldar) i see Modern day ogryns get absolutely slaughtered by Wraithguard (who have higher toughness and deal a shit ton more damage)

[@SteelStorm33]

ghazkull mag uruk thraka has only toughness 6! but that is another problem...

[@gamingborger]

canonically speaking, you'd think the commissar and krieg marshal, if anything, could boss the big lug around. but nope. you'd think Straken could too. again. nope. only lord solar. :/

[@sebastianhautamaki4439]

In 3rd they had special rules, "Afraid of the dark".

[@Kodopitharos]

T4 Ogryns in 3e got instakilled by S8 powerfists.

[@ravajaxe]

Absolutely, but they were only 25 points per model, which was playable. Fortunately, GW fixed this vulnerability in 5th edition, by giving them T5 and S5, together with an absolutely appropriate small price increase, to 40 points per model ! 😅... wait... No wonder why metal models from this era are hard to find now. Barely anyone bought this unit.

[@lordravenblade]

Ratlings and Squats are Abhumans as well. Interestingly, Squats and Ogryns are both "high gravity" mutations but went opposite directions.

[@ravajaxe]

That's an example of how lore writers are not up to the task in "realism". Strong gravity means impairing high height organisms. In high gravity you should expect squat and ratling variant of the human race. While Ogryns could be an evolution in lower gravity planets (together whith hostile environments).

[@lordravenblade]

@@ravajaxe I think the justification is that they "needed the extra muscle and bone mass" or something. Since we've never had humans try to live on a high gravity world we don't honestly know.

[@Elazul.Lapislazuli]

Back in 3rd and 4th only monsters got "real" T5 - not even a Ork Warboss got T5. Only the "T4 (5)" [written with the 5 in brackets] profiles of bikers or nurgle marines that were delibredly meant to count as T4 for the purpose of instakill got that high.

[@eezergoode8588]

I've always wondered what would happen if Ogryns were given geneseed. Space marine Ogryns.b

[@Bluecho4]

It's amusing that Space Marines in ceramite plate made perfect in the days of the Emperor are wet paper in terms of durability, in comparison to a Ogryn in a t-shirt. Not complaining, I just think it's funny. Then again, I'm getting some "Brute" model kits from Wargames Atlantic's "The Damned" range in the next year. Those big bois at least have armored breastplates as standard for the sculpts. On the subject, it IS nice to hear that my plan to go halfway with Ogryn and Bullgryn wasn't completely daft. I just like having a little of everything, and it looks like Ogryn aren't half bad. (Better than 9th ed).

[@mitchellpolinop7650]

Ogryn mutation would take way more than a few thousand years closer to several hundred thousands

[@Lilrockerdude13]

Strictly using them as a wall before you can hit the gun line would be where I'd use them. Sure no Anti-Tank, but a heavy weapon team or two can las up that hostile vehicle while the Orgyn keep pushing.

[@clarkwalter7170]

Im gonna take a crassus , 3 ogryn and 20 krieg inside with a psyker , dont know if i keep the group cheap or i take a command squad or a marshall inside for more glory ?

[@ryza7760]

not gonna lie these guys seem like a good idea for hitting a 10 man lychguard squad, hitting on 4s with a likely reroll 1s and maybe plus 1 to hit on 3s, then wounding on 5s (4s usually but lychguard are -1 to wound with a leader) and ap1 is all that's needed to get them to their invuln. still not gonna wipe them but should help thin out the blob some

[@pabloalonsolasagabaster658]

hmmm for a tournament i am tempted to try all tanks plus bulgryn and ogryns. The reason I dont go to big tournaments is because I am a slow player and all of that infantry with different free wargear is tedious ( i was happy when I could field them cheaper with just lasguns)

[@adamcarey6093]

Bullygryn thumbnail tricked me

[@Ulfhednir9]

Hey Bro :D What is your thoughts on the renegade Ogryns, plague ogryn, and beast handlers? Since you're got a blood pact list goinf it is a thing to consider . (just started watching so if you answer this in the video, sorry)

[@Tbrunscheon]

I'm wondering if the Rapid Fire 3 on their profile is am error. The Ripper Gun on the Bodyguard unit and Nork have Sustained Hits 1. Maybe don't bank on the 6 shots each. They just fixed the profile for Sisters' Dominions' Bolters so they are tweaking the indexes

[@Bluecho4]

Guess we'll have to wait and see. Until then, Rules As Written says "Moar Dakka".

[@michaelhalligan6897]

Mr Glory is swooning me with his cute British accent

[@MordianGlory]

[@ReverTitan]

Good to know

[@Galnar]

if I put Ogryns in a vehicle with Firing Deck, will they still benefit from their special rule gaining 1AP for shooting the closest target?

[@jayteegamble]

Yep!

[@Youcantseeme_240]

Great video man

[@blackvalordragoon]

@Mordian Glory how about loading 9 ogryns up in a crassus for RR wounds and toss them in range of somthing you wana delete?

[@1bskemp]

Add an Exterminator to that ability hit on -3ap

[@waynew6055]

Rapid ingress a hades drill full of bullgryns ....🤔

[@markstewardson4006]

it would have been nice to see the bone'ead get a huge knife

[@alexanderkellar3841]

Omg Like you ready my comment from Last week and did it!? Thx. Love These Guys!

[@zielisawzielony9366]

Best way to field Ogryns is to have 2squads (ogryn and/or bullgryn) with sprinkle of your fav oficers in STORMLORD. This is optimal way to play them, U may disagreed but U are wrong.

[@rbddet]

They might be good in a chimera shooting trhough the firing decks.

[@denisloebner4882]

only firedeck 2 though so 1/3rd of the shooting is not used. i think the rapier laser destroyer is still the only good choice

[@rbddet]

@@denisloebner4882 really weird that the rapiers can do that but RAW it is possible

[@denisloebner4882]

@@rbddet yeah. given that (unlike mortar heavy weapon teams) they also have the artillery keyword they even get the sustained hits from regimental attachees which you will often bring 1 or 2 off due to artillery probably still being guards strongest choice. manticores, hellhounds (+lots of artillery) and chimeras+ 2x rapiers are the 3 good light tanks the guard can currently competitively field.

[@trlongwell]

Ogryn seem useable, but they're far from broken. I watched the coverage of both the American and the World Team Championships. Not an Ogryn to be found, nor much Guard. The meta Guard list is indirect spam. Ogyrn also seem pretty bad against all the meta armies. They aren't doing anything against Custodes or Imperial Knights, and they aren't going to be great against Aeldari who will Phantasm away if they try to shoot. They aren't that durable against good lists if those lists actually want to kill them. Interestingly enough, the Guard list for the winning Polish team had 3 Bullgryn, and 3 Hellhounds. But it was mostly indirect platforms: 3 Earthshaker Carriage Batteries, 3 Manticores, and 2 Medusas Carriage Batteries.

[@rodneygaul2227]

Reporting for duty , Sir o7 "Rule of Cool" I love it It's sad we can only take 6 max for a squad , but it does Fill up a Chimera . That would save some chip damage that foot slogging would get you . The new "steel legion" armored infantry ❔ OR A Valkyrie or 2 with 6 Ogryns each for a deep strike . The Kasikin / Scions style bomb , but with meat heads ❔ But no officer and risky to put a scout sentinel so far out ahead of main force to get LOS 🤔🤨🤕

[@douglasbeveridge1861]

you can only put 4 in a Chimera as each Ogryn takes up 3 spaces, to the Chimeras 12 capacity and? do they still suffer from the "Its dark in there" rule where you need to send an officer with them?

[@Gw2Zoke]

Nope, but it does really stink that in the cursed 10th eddition you can't put the appropriate amount of ogryn in a chimera. @@douglasbeveridge1861

[@chuckobannon2975]

Movement 6 normal as a death guard player I’m crying

[@patrickmccarty6953]

Yeah they were T4 once.

[@prisoner817]

Are they broken? Absolutely not lol, they're arguably good in some situations at best

[@andrewking8811]

I'm thinking 4 ogryn in a taurox

[@Talonz501]

are you willing to pay for 6 ogryn to do that?

[@MrMaharg79]

So the Big Mek is hitting on 5s in 10th but Ogrynn get to his on 4s 😢

[@cwj138]

My ogryns ain't broken because they pewter ones from 3rd ed and I put them together with JB weld.

[@Arantonak]

Let's quit pussy footin' around and talk about crassus transports.

[@spacebb]

They are just not good..