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[@fredkennedy1917]

Is Rip ill? Hope you're alright big man.

[@erikmielke9008]

It's funny that they think that variation is the key to progress when consistency and specificity are essential. I'm sure that even professional CrossFit athletes periodize by adaptations or by abilities. They must have specific days, weeks or months to do Olympic lifting, calisthenics or running exercises and in all of them they must carry out progressive overload.

[@alexwrenchman1690]

That is what this whole podcast episode is about

[@tas1424]

The best CrossFit athletes don't actually do CrossFit as it was originally designed. The majority of their training is monostructural. They have a dedicated strength session, dedicated running sessions etc. etc.

[@johnbirkmeier6392]

Congrats. You described CrossFit

[@gordo608]

I am 100% certain that a fahve by fahve squat session exists in the CrossFit Mainsite daily programming archives. Therefore Rip has done CrossFit and is in fact a CrossFitter. Thank you for watching my Ted Talk.

[@JohnDoe-my5ip]

Rip was involved with CrossFit in the aughts, when it was still redeemable, before it became a total circus. He even mentions this in the video.

[@gordo608]

@@JohnDoe-my5ip There are these things called "jokes". You should research the concept.

[@user-dn4lg1dv5v]

Conjugate features variation as its primary reason for adaptation. In addition to avoiding overuse issues. Matt Winning talks extensively about this. The problem is that for people to understand training at the highest level, nuance is required.

[@I_Might_B_Wrong]

You’re misunderstanding Conjugate variation if you’re comparing it to CrossFit. Variation is not the driving force of progression. The principle of variation in Conjugate, for one, doesn’t vary from workout to workout like CrossFit. The variations rotate only when progress starts to stall, and the variations are used to target the weakest links of the athletes in each lift. If your triceps were limiting your bench and you did a ton of work to bring them up, you now get to find what the new weakest link is and change your variation to focus on that.

[@thejdshipley]

lol, “…to understand training at the highest level, nuance is required”. No, this is nonsense. Variation does not drive adaptation. Stress drives adaptation. Variation is merely a fun of idea that does nothing for a typical trainee.

[@user-dn4lg1dv5v]

@thejdshipley obviously, stress drives adaptation. That's understood. But the law of diminishing returns also applies. If adding more weight every session worked the way you guys teach, you'd all be benching 1000lbs. Clearly, Matt Winning knows something about being strong. I'll stick with his teaching over Ripatoe Dogma. It's great that y'all preach the barbell movements and progressive overload. That should be the cornerstone of everyone's training. But after the novice phase, variation is required. There's a reason you guys only coach Beginners.

[@joeberger3441]

​@@user-dn4lg1dv5vI'm a huge fan of conjugate principles and agree it works beautifully as a peaking program (or even year round strength development). That being said, a more linear, less varied program still "`works" even if weights aren't added every session. Obviously you won't be able to continue to add weight to the bar every session (or even every month) once you get past a certain point in training, but that's OK. Progressive overload doesn't necessarily mean that weight or reps need to be added each time. It simply means that the level of stress needs to remain relevant. Even if adaptations are slowing down, they're still occurring. For an experienced trainee, a given load might remain challenging for MONTHS before finally breaking that plateau. This is perfectly fine and normal. Most newbs actually completely hop programs at that point rather than ride it out. If weight or reps can't be added, one can also use metrics like bar speed, RPE, and technique improvements as a way to gauge strength adaptations. So yes, conjugate definitely can work and is proven to work, but a more linear program is not irrelevant and progressive overload is always a factor, conjugate or not.

[@I_Might_B_Wrong]

@@user-dn4lg1dv5v You're right, Matt Wenning has some good info. I think Rip has a lot of good info too. I'm not sure who you mean by "you guys" as I don't think any Starting Strength coaches have responded to you here, and I know I'm not one for sure. I've trained with Robert Santana who is, and he's ALSO a Renaissance Periodization coach on their diet and coaching team. Even guys in the SS circle aren't necessarily dogmatic or restricted to only coaching beginners. I've also trained with a dedicated Powerlifting coach. When I reply regarding Conjugate, it's from experience learning about conjugate, not from following SS Dogma.

[@TC-hc8gp]

@Rip was just watching your live show on KZbin but missed start so I rewound but when the live show finished it cut out, but then the episode is not available. Any chance ye'll be making the live shows available on your channel after they finish for those to watch who miss the live show? Not sure how it works but other channels I watch when the live show finishes it's automatically available on that channel

[@JH-dr6do]

It will be posted as a SS radio episode on spotify/itunes

[@TC-hc8gp]

@JH-dr6do cheers, any reason it's not on KZbin as well do you know? I don't use Spotify much so KZbin is easier.

[@CptFUNK1]

@@TC-hc8gp KZbin censors.

[@Lee355]

It takes crossfitters years to reach squat bench and deadlift numbers that they could have attained with less than a month of SS

[@kowshiksriman2051]

Rip looks a bit under the weather

[@bensisko2443]

maybe he has, you know, the chinese virus. watch this space...

[@emrevurgun8328]

is it just me or is rip's voice is much deepr than before?

[@alexvisan7622]

Yeah, what's up with that?

[@jmc6326]

Could be sick or it could be first thing in the am

[@jamesk1996]

Hey y’all I’m a novice with barbells and am just starting out using the blue and grey books and all the KZbin tutorials. I cannot even get into the squat position y’all teach without having mid back pain even without the bar. I’m guessing it’s a thoracic mobility issue and I’m over extending my low back and causing a bit of a “pinch” but I’m curious what I can do to fix this? Thanks y’all so much

[@michaellee9883]

Well, I’ve got a couple compression fracture deformities in my thoracic spine. Thoracic spine pain is relatively rare. Have you tried taking a wider grip? Are you setting up the squat correctly by focusing on engaging your spinal erector muscles and lifting your chest so your spine is in a stable, strong, protected normal anatomical position? Are you engaging your abs? The goal is to create a giant cylinder of engaged muscles around your spine.

[@JohnnyOU08]

You might have weak abdominal or glutes and your other muscles are over compensating. Try doing planks and glute bridges for a couple of weeks and see if that helps.

[@michaellee9883]

@@JohnnyOU08 Ha

[@Barneyfithlawman]

Get into a position like your going to jump, then sit down like your setting on a chair.

[@Pikachuwhichissurprised]

Post a form check video. I subbed to you just to see it. We'll go from there.

[@BigBobster86]

4:50 more like forging elite mediocrity. Shoutout to my ninja Elgintensity for that one.

[@Rickfreedom]

At 60 years old I am having trouble working construction and working out. I have considered TRT yet my sex life is still very alive. I at least once or twice a week I am just wiped out. I don’t sleep good most of the time which is the reason.

[@casperthegst]

plenty of legitimate ways to train "real" CrossFit now albeit it is very expensive for those programs

[@crucifixgym]

CrossFit has done wonders for anavar sales.

[@ThomasMyles-u3w]

Wow, a very brave strain of bacteria seems to have decided to infect Rip. That won't end well for it.

[@connorw360]

I'm eating 20 thousand calories a day, consuming 500g of protein, sleeping 12 hours a night and adding 5Ibs a workout. Am I doing the program?

[@javi8129]

No 😂

[@ericm9305]

Explain that chet after comments from the haters not before lol

[@VegetoStevieD]

Why did the chicken crossfit?

[@coachjonjiujitsu]

I dunno, why?

[@astang1072]

To get to the other gym.

[@nrozmx400]

Why did chicken cross the fit?

[@Ardepark]

To vomit on the floor

[@thehightide2559]

Because it's a chicken

[@AaronCook83]

Fitter. See also "toned."

[@woodshcc5]

Good point.

[@dreaneau]

How do SS acquire Comments from the haters if all the videos are behind a paywall of SS fans? Am I missing something?

[@GMan0157]

Rippetoe must snort and sniff 24 hours a day.

[@kobemop]

Mark Rippetoe is a legend. Heavy sets of 5s get you strong, even though its killing me.

[@bensisko2443]

RIP Lazar Dukic.

[@donpatey7472]

The people just on their phones is embarrassing

[@waynenoll1967]

Crossfitters choose not to play professional sports just like psychics “aren’t allowed” to see the winning lottery numbers….

[@AIK.1891]

Iron man: let’s do the toughest test of endurance. But let’s put swimming first, because we want to test the athletes - not kill them. CrossFit: Hold my beer. Let’s put the swimming last, when the athletes are already exhausted. That’s REAL fitness. Nothing like working out til’ you die. CrossFit games 2025 should be last man standing. Living. Let’s do last man living - fittest on earth.

[@woodshcc5]

You are complaining about the wrong thing... The swim can go first or it can go last. That doesn't matter... What matters is having enough people around each swimmer to keep them safe...

[@AIK.1891]

@@woodshcc5 so… if it doesn’t matter - why put it first? If it doesn’t matter, in order to make the test safer, an intelligent decision would be to put it first. But they didn’t. Planning an event includes things like having adequate safety protocols with lifeguards (trained!) etc. But it also includes structure of the moment. “What, when, how…” If it doesn’t matter from a testing and/or physical standpoint to put the swimming Before running, it should be, in order to Not jeopardise the safety of the athletes. Like they do at the Ironman… it doesn’t matter from a testing point of view. But it does certainly matter from a safety point of view. But then again- Ironman is a real sport and CrossFit is not.

[@icey35]

12:25 He's right - staring strength *is* boring 🤔

[@woodshcc5]

I haven't experienced that. I think it's fun watching my numbers go up.

[@icey35]

@@woodshcc5 listen again and you'll see why it's funny

[@yermanoh]

Who's the guy that say crossfit is the washed up loser olympics

[@woodshcc5]

It's really the other way around. Especially with how crappy the Olympics are now...

[@jerrythomas4457]

Starting strength guys are littered in all the professional sports. 🙄

[@rickyparrish2570]

I'm not exactly sure of the point you're trying to make.

[@sleepteam]

Starting strength is not geared toward professional athletes, who are already strong and genetically gifted. It’s literally in the name. It’s for people who are STARTING the get strong. How can so many people lack basic comprehension?

[@Barneyfithlawman]

Lots of guys start out wanting to get stronger and find powerlifting, CrossFit and bodybuilding

[@HenchPig]

@@sleepteam yes the novice linear progression is for people who are starting their strength journey however the grey book and all the coaches program past this point.

[@chuckmartel1874]

Even the genetic freaks would benefit from SS, if they started their careers with it. But instead they get high school coaches who don't see the value in actual strength training

[@jamesk1996]

Hey y’all I’m a novice with barbells and am just starting out using the blue and grey books and all the KZbin tutorials. I cannot even get into the squat position y’all teach without having mid back pain even without the bar. I’m guessing it’s a thoracic mobility issue and I’m over extending my low back and causing a bit of a “pinch” but I’m curious what I can do to fix this? Thanks y’all so much

[@sleepteam]

Find a coach near you or post a video to the starting strength forums. It’s impossible to diagnose this over KZbin comments.

[@astang1072]

Getting coached is good advice. Need to set your core and low back at the top and the back and spine really shouldn't bend or move during the rep. Make sure your feet are wider than shoulders and toes out 30°ish, AND keep your knees wide so your hips can get into the bottom position.

[@woodshcc5]

EVERYTHING changed for me once I went to a starting strength gym for a month. It's worth the $400! Don't hurt yourself!