MORE PROBLEMS... - The Future Of Boeing (again)

2024 was earmarked as an important year for Boeing to continue its recovery. Still, five days into the new year, a 737-9 MAX with Alaska Airlines would see a door blowout incident occur, thus resulting in a massive fallout for the plane maker. So what on earth is next for Boeing?
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[@bokaboi]

Boeing: “We must return to our engineering roots.” Also Boeing: *Appoints hedge fund CEO as its new CEO*

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

Did they get the person to swear to this? Though some skill at juggling money is probably good, doing it at the cost of things that actually keep both the planes and the public confidence in Boeing aloft is foolish.

[@williamrbuchanan4153]

When money speaks, actions get into gear. How long shall they get away with , “ profit before P passengers. You have to have a logical choice. If your head is not for humans, but is for a Fast Buck,. The corruption of humanity .

[@williamrbuchanan4153]

We do it for money. Not working, just dump it and invest elsewhere .

[@Perich29]

we must go back in time to the year 1970.

[@delta_cosmic]

Boeing is the type of company to fire their engineers in favour of accountants.

[@lhk7006]

They did the opposite in 2021 actually.

[@crungefactory]

@@lhk7006or did they?

[@jerrypolverino6025]

The top management of Boeing is criminal.

[@JT-sz7xc]

The delay in getting the 737-7 & -10 certified isn’t so much to do with the door blowout on the -9, but a huge issue with the de-icing feature on the LEAP engines used on the Max series aircraft. The new LEAP engines use a carbon composite material between the fan shroud and turbine blades for the de-icing system for these engines. This carbon composite has been found not to be able to withstand the heat, and can crack, or disintegrate in flight, leading to possible pieces puncturing the fuselage causing rapid decompression, going through the engine causing catastrophic failure and possibly bringing down the plane. Juan Brown on the Blancolirio channel has a great video about this problem. Needless to say, after seeing his video I will not be flying on any 737 Max series aircraft.

[@r12004rewy]

The entire MAX programme is turning out to be a farce

[@wikolib6821]

Right. I've read that if the de-icing system is left on for more than 5 minutes pieces of the engine housing can start coming off. And there's no warning system for the pilots.

[@cageordie]

That issue applies to the already certified aircraft too. They are all dangerous is not managed very carefully. Hello and welcome to 1950s technology.

[@JT-sz7xc]

@@cageordie Yes, exactly, any of the 737’s using the LEAP engines has this issue, these engines are also used on the Airbus A320 neo, not good! As for Boeing, not only are they building crap for planes, but the engine manufacturers are also having issues. Doesn’t give travelers warm fuzzy feelings about flying.

[@mikoto7693]

@@wikolib6821I’ve read the same thing.

[@joebushnell143]

I agree. A complete and thorough shake-up is needed at the top.

[@nickolliver3021]

A wake up call yes

[@milwaukeephil2548]

In Korea, these executives would go to jail. In China, their outcome would be worse.

[@TrapKingz.]

Ok and? Whats your point lol

[@aaronross3475]

his point is there is no accountability and they get rich at the expense of others safety

[@kw_awards]

@@TrapKingz. There's no accountability so they can do what they want.

[@TrapKingz.]

@@aaronross3475 you’re going to put in jail a ceo who barely has 4 years with boeing when this problem has been ongoing since before his time with boeing?

[@TrapKingz.]

@@kw_awards it would be very hard to point the finger at certain people when the problem lies in much deeper than you think

[@arofhoof]

Maximising security and reliability is prioritising shareholder. An aircraft manufacturer that cannot produce reliable aircraft has no value.

[@nickolliver3021]

Cannot produce aircraft?

[@notapplicable531]

@@nickolliver3021 Reliable. You forgot the word "reliable".

[@RLTtizME]

A food manufacturer that can not produce listeria free products has no value.

[@TheRealWindlePoons]

"An aircraft manufacturer that cannot produce reliable aircraft has no value." I would prefer SAFE and reliable.

[@RLTtizME]

@@TheRealWindlePoons How so?

[@unfixablegop]

Boeing's recovery strategy consists of Calhoun wearing an overall in interviews instead of a suit.

[@MQT-]

Or BRIGHT orange jumpsuit

[@michaelosgood9876]

All for public show

[@louisbotes337]

One should assume that the seats where the door blew off were occupied. This would imply at least two fatalities and the whole situation should be treated accordingly!

[@michaeladams2959]

In actuality, and thank GOD, no one was seated next to the door plug.

[@Stanpianoman-zs7gy]

Those two seats were empty because a couple missed their flight.

[@michaeldunham3385]

Door wasn't supposed to blow out? Well im glad you pointed that out some of us thought it was a new feature

[@b.nichols3255]

It was sold as an aid to the rapid passenger evacuation in case of an emergency. A little advertised feature which was thrown in for free.

[@redpillinsights7747]

The whole industry needs to be looked at. One thing I have been concerned about is has the FAA taken into consideration weather there are enough qualified Airframe-and Power plant mechanics currently to support all of the new aircraft coming off of the assembly lines.

[@donsland1610]

The Boeing executives responsible for the prioritisation of profit over safety should all be in jail by now but of course that isn't going to happen in the USA.

[@nickolliver3021]

Everyone gets away with everything these day's

[@TheRealWindlePoons]

"The Boeing executives responsible ..." Responsible but apparently not accountable. Until these jokers are hit in the wallet or locked up, things will not change. Boeing has been poisoned and may never recover.

[@TheRealWindlePoons]

@@nickolliver3021 "Everyone gets away with everything these day's" Unless you work in China or Russia perhaps.

[@nickolliver3021]

@@TheRealWindlePoons and Europe. Did you forget that too 🥱😉

[@user-bw5pn4qv9i]

Let's hope that more travel agents will offer Max filtering on their website. I for one will definitely use it.

[@errorsofmodernism7331]

If it's Boeing, I'm not going

[@nickolliver3021]

Don't fly then

[@mark675]

na we'll just fly on well built planes @@nickolliver3021

[@nickolliver3021]

@Dr_b_ where did I say that

[@TheRealWindlePoons]

Neither am I. Or many like us. If passengers have reached this point then Boeing has utterly failed.

[@nickolliver3021]

@@TheRealWindlePoons they will survive. If they have failed that means they will have to give up. They don't have that attitude

[@12345anton6789]

Boeing had a good aircraft in the 737, making a lot of money for the company. They should have stick with the philosophy they had on the 737NG, it was a cash cow. But unfortunately some bean counters had an idea of squeeze more money of of the 737 max program. They should have followed the old way, that is what made Boeing a great company in the past

[@TheRealWindlePoons]

They tried to cut corners to compete with the Airbus Neo series and got it badly wrong. The Max series should have been a ground-up redesign, not a re-hash of a 20th century design.

[@mikoto7693]

Yeah the NG should have been the last 737 variant. Then go for a clean sheet aircraft.

[@michaelosgood9876]

100%

[@adrianbrowning8176]

I've spent my entire adult life flying as crew on everything from A319, MD80, A330/340, DC10, B747 etc and never been concerned until now. I admire Boeing and their products but the events surrounding the Max since it's launch now makes me avoid booking with any airline flying the Max. It doesn't seem like the high level at Boeing are doing much to change things - at least to me. I have never agreed with privatisation and this highlights one of the issues. Keeping shareholders happy comes at a cost and Boeing have sacrificed quality over profit. Until the Max can go 18 months without an issue I for one will NOT be stepping onboard or booking with a carrier that uses them.... Yes Airbus have had/ got issues but their aircraft are not falling apart inflight or worse. From a passenger perspective I PERSONALLY think Airbus aircraft are smoother and much quieter inflight - the A350 is an amazing aircraft!

[@TheRealWindlePoons]

You are not on you're own. Many must already be thinking along those lines. Before I retired I was a regular flyer with no input on the carrier or route chosen. Not any more, thank God.

[@stephen46xre86]

I was flying on a Max 8 long distance, some 8 hours. I can't say that it is louder inside compared to a A320. But there is some high frequency noise from the engines which is insupportable. Even with earplugs I could hear it and after 4 hours I had serious headaches for the rest of the flight. I had booked that flight prior to the Alaska Airlines accident. In the future I will avoid the 737 if possible.

[@markar6395]

​@@stephen46xre86yes that engine noise is horrible. I flew on a Max-8 in Dec 18 before the grounding. The engine sound is unpleasant compared the the CFMs used on the NG. I fear the same will be true of the A320 NEO series

[@toms1348]

​@stephen46xre86 , you must have dog sensitive hearing. I've flown on 42 MAX flights typically sitting right next to or just in front of the engine nacelles. I don't hear these high frequency sounds you mention. I find the MAX quite smooth and quiet.

[@toms1348]

​@@markar6395, I've flown on 42 MAX flights right next to the engines. I have know Idea what you are talking about. PS...my hearing is quite sharp. You must have dog sensitive hearing.

[@drevil2675]

Boeing fans must be crying now. lol

[@TheRealWindlePoons]

I have worked in aviation manufacturing for decades. I have the deepest of sympathy for the engineers and craftsmen who manufacture Boeing aircraft. It is interference from the bean counters which has brought Boeing so low. ☹

[@LungsMcGee]

The 'Q' in Boeing is for quality.

[@outermarker5801]

Bean counting is one thing, but lack of logic is another. Even if you're the coldest of corporate animal$ unmoved by human suffering, surely the Max 8 debacle at LEAST taught you that cost cutting on safety means billions lost???

[@michaelalexander2306]

Boeing have withdrawn their application for a safety waiver for the MAX7 regarding the engine dicing system. There is an EAD in place which limits the use of the system to 5 minutes in non-icing conditions or the engine cowling melts! Boeing state it will take 12 months to address the problem and have halted certification of the MAX7 & MAX10

[@nickolliver3021]

They said 9 months but it's eggagerated to 12 months. Max 7 and 10 could still be certified in 25 fingers crossed

[@mikoto7693]

The 8 and 9 have the same meltable engine intake cowling.

[@thailandrose2603]

Restoring trust: I never had it after the two MAX crashes. We have to remember Boeing never fix the problem with the aircraft, they just created a bigger band-aid to cover up MCAS

[@toms1348]

The sad thing is that MCAS wasn't needed in the first place. Boeing should've sucked it up, gone with a new type certificate and paid for the necessary training.

[@patrickpeters2903]

From the leader in the industry Boeing became the liar....I'm really curious to see when the B777-9 will be certified....I would love to know what the CEO of Emirates think about all that....

[@nickolliver3021]

The 777-9 will be okay. Its the 777x so Emirates will just throw threats as usual. You need to wait until the year progresses from all this mess than expect some sort of cancellation

[@patrickpeters2903]

@@nickolliver3021 it will not happen this year...

[@nickolliver3021]

@@patrickpeters2903 next year is the plan

[@sewasewa6585]

It's short time management and politicians grabbing what they can, nobody looking for the longterm future.

[@JoelVilleneuveAnaudin-yx5wv]

@@patrickpeters2903exactly!!!

[@benyomovod6904]

A grounded Boeing is a safe Boeing

[@nickolliver3021]

And so are airbus's

[@RLTtizME]

Your comment not made is a better comment.

[@mikoto7693]

@@RLTtizMEHe’s a Boeing fanboy. What else would you expect?

[@NordicUrs]

Well, just another argument for me to book flights operated on Airbus planes only. Boeing’s focus on shareholder value only completely destroyed my confidence to put a foot in these death traps.

[@kevinfitzpatrick5068]

Unfortunately, Boeing has taken their eyes off of QUALITY and went for the $$$$

[@nickolliver3021]

Like all companies

[@muhammadhanifkurnaen6689]

Now they pay the price of cutting cost

[@TheAllMightyGodofCod]

​@@nickolliver3021really? Which other company has their planes falling off the skies for cost cutting measures or their doors blow out mid flight for "quality escapes"?

[@nickolliver3021]

@@TheAllMightyGodofCod many airbus planes have fallen out of the skies for cost cutting measures. 4 likes just because you think this is about doors blowing off and quality escapes.

[@TheAllMightyGodofCod]

@@nickolliver3021 please do refer one case of a plane falling of the skies for quality issues since the time the 737 max first entered service or a problem like the Alaska 737 had .. Airbus... Comac, Irkut, Embraer or whatever. Thanks.

[@jodysin7]

I havent watched your channel for at least a year, boy your voice has changed.

[@Alexv342]

Taped the door with yellow tape? check Disabled the autopilot which puts the plane into a tailspin at low altitude ? check Vacuumed the runway to prevent anything from getting into the low-mounted engine ? check 😵😵😵

[@michaelsheargold]

Somehow there’s a view all the other Max aircraft in the air left the factory as per the build quality - that to me is a tall stretch to believe.

[@collins9708]

What?

[@crungefactory]

I think he meant to say that it's a stretch to believe that all the other max planes are safe. I think

[@greyjay9202]

I do not trust a word Boeing executives say. I would not fly on any new generation 737's. I would encourage airlines to cancel contracts with Boeing. There are alternative aircraft makers in Europe, Canada, and Brazil.

[@EuropeanRailfanAlt]

The Canadian one (Bombardier) is not producing commercial jets anymore. It's just business jets.

[@PeacefulRallyCar-pw3cs]

The black hand of DEI was not present during the design process. 90% of the managers, engineers and inspectors were WM. But, the federal government dot have been 'purified' of inequity. These ministers rescinded the ban after a slap on the wrist.

[@herceg6772]

Agree

[@martinthoburn1089]

Most important thing for Boeing is the dividends given to shareholders after all the senior executives have taken their slice out of the pie. Accountants are now more important than engineers and the people who sling the aircraft together. Then you have the airlines still wanting to buy the flying coffin because they themselves want to have bulging pockets of money. Right at the very bottom is safety which seems to be a dirty word at Boeing. The coffin was a quick fix to try and compete with the A321 neo. Boeing should have developed a totally new aircraft not butcher up a 50 year old design.

[@tonetone7572]

I stopped flying in 737's many yrs ago after 2 terrifying crashes due to a malfunction of the planes tail rudder, causing the plane to nose to dive hundreds of mph into the earth, killing everyone. They are also very uncomfortable and loud, and according to pilots, they need to use up way more runway to take off than the superior 757. over 5,717 fatalities have resulted from the 737. I stay off them and tell everyone I know to do the same.

[@JamesAnderson-mr2sg]

I believe your referring to mcas issue which involved the stabilizer, there was rudder issues earlier, the 5100 fatalities is high but there are 10,000 of these in service most short flights but frequent. So its not much worse than other aircraft, the safest are the b777, b767 b747 and the modern b787

[@marinkovulic]

This what happens & destroys a company when you don't employ the right people to run it!!! Revenue managers rather than company managers. No experience required to produce great aircraft but only cheaper & cheaper ones!!!! Shameful performance, I prey for all the decent workers left there & if they'll survive or put up with these accountant managers for much longer. It's really disgraceful how low Boeing has sunk!

[@martinbrenner2573]

Used to be "if it ain't Boeing, i'm not going". Wow how things have changed. Its hard to watch to a premier US manufacturer commit operational suicide.

[@herceg6772]

They find problems, fix them and fly again. But who knows how many other problems are with this airplane type. I don’t trust them whatever they say. In their eyes, a human life is not worth a penny.

[@djgoggy5541]

That death trap 737 Max loves to nose dive.60yr old airframe with new too powerful engines thst cause it to be nose heavy. If it's Boeing I aint going

[@JamesAnderson-mr2sg]

its not nose heavy. it was mcas that made it pitch down

[@rudybriskar5267]

IMHO the CEO and the CFO at minimum should be FIRED and the Corporate office moved back to Seattle.

[@gregculverwell]

A great pity that Airbus production is maxed out. I think a lot of airlines would otherwise order from them. I don't believe that Boeing can fix itself overnight. It is going to take many years to change the culture and with the current senior management in place it simply won't. These money men don't understand what an engineering and quality culture looks like.

[@nickolliver3021]

May take years we dont know. Taming years may be that they give up to being back to their better culture

[@mikoto7693]

I’d like to hope Airbus can find a way to increase production. If it could, it would have a massive advantage right now with Boeing repeatedly shooting itself in the foot.

[@lolaesther]

No one's mentioning the deregulation that happened that allowed these occurrences

[@kevinblackburn3198]

Untrue statement. Deregulation of airlines had nothing to do with the manufacturing of aircraft. In general, commercial aviation is far safer in today’s environment as compared to a more regulated environment. Anyone who has dealt with any federal regulation agency knows that no amount of regulation makes flying safer

[@wbwarren57]

Boeing senior management deserves a reward for the fact that the Boeing plane that lost its plug door, did not immediately crash! Obviously, Boeing senior management is doing the right thing in building robust planes that can survive incidents like this. If anything, the fact that this plane did not, crash is proof that Boeing is spending far too much on engineering and quality control, money that could be better directed towards the management compensation!

[@dastankuspaev9217]

They should stop production altogether

[@marioromano812]

If you call it the MAX family? It's called the 737 MAX 9. Not the 737 9

[@EuropeanRailfanAlt]

Boeing is dying. Only a long company culture change will bring them back to glory. But in the modern world, it's hardly ever gonna happen.

[@nickolliver3021]

Why would they be dying if it won't really happen? Airbus needs them otherwise they will die to

[@TheRealWindlePoons]

@@nickolliver3021 "Airbus needs them otherwise they will die to" Airbus and Boeing need each other as a metric which each has to meet. I do however doubt that Boeing's demise will result in Airbus doing likewise. Do feel free to explain how you have come to this conclusion though. 😀

[@mikoto7693]

@@TheRealWindlePoonsHe did that to me in the comments to another video. Seems convinced that the end of Boeing would also bring down Airbus, instead of Airbus thriving and becoming a monopoly.

[@stickynorth]

Never Boeing...

[@debugstore]

Airbus manufacturing staff look far more professional; they wear company uniforms and appear to be more competent. Images of Boeing manufacturing plants look unimpressive. Quality covers many factors, and staff professionalism is one of these.

[@nickolliver3021]

Boeing workers are just the sane as airbus

[@debugstore]

@@nickolliver3021@nickolliver3021 I am sure they are, but wearing ripped jeans and T-shirts doesn't look right when working with high-tech, high-value equipment. Its about image

[@TheRealWindlePoons]

@@nickolliver3021 "Boeing workers are just the sane as airbus" Absolutely. Its the cost-saving and corner-cutting environment at Boeing which has allowed it to descend to it's current state. Apparently, the work schedule to be signed off only checks for missing door plug bolts if the door is *removed* and not when it is *opened* which also requires bolt removal. That is not a "quality escape" that is corner-cutting at a manufacturing level. The question is: what other corners have been cut which we don't know about (yet)?

[@nickolliver3021]

@@TheRealWindlePoons yeh airbus has the cost cutting /saving environment which has allowed it to decline to its state of not growing to what it wanted to. The door bolts being loose is not a cost cutting measures because it was down to one *individual* who did not install it properly. Again this isn't a cost saving measure. Someone just did their job badly. It makes you think what other corners are being cut at airbus which we all don't know about yet!

[@mikoto7693]

@@TheRealWindlePoonsDon’t bother. Nickolliver is a huge Boeing fanboy. I’ve encountered him so many times on channels like this defending Boeing like he has a personal stake in it.

[@bigtedf07]

Confidence will only return when heads roll and new managers with impeccable credentials are hired 😊

[@FrancisFjordCupola]

The only big problem is a Boeing that is not standing still with its tires to the ground. Every plane will return to ground eventually. In the case of a Boeing the manner in which it will return to ground level is questionable. If an airline threw in its lot with Boeing, they only have themselves to blame. Dead customers are not return customers.

[@collins9708]

What? Boeing had 2 planes that crashed and those airlines still bought the 737s after the accidents. As much as the public hates the max, airlines are buying them. Boeing hasn't lost any orders because when one airline drops their order, some other one that you'll probably never heard of picks it back up.

[@mikoto7693]

Nor are scared customers.

[@weepair2]

Boeing is like America, it's in decline.

[@nickolliver3021]

How is it in decline

[@EuropeanRailfanAlt]

Boeing is part of America's decline.

[@Randomvideos-zi7pe]

Its simple Boeing died when mcdonnell douglas merged in and it has been mcdonell douglas ever since, using boeing's name

[@mikoto7693]

Right, it’s like McDonnell Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing’s own money.

[@kenphillips7594]

There's only one way out of this for Boeing. Close the commercial wing. Leave playing with lives to the military wing.

[@zombiezombie1977]

Are there any updated on the issue which is blocking the certification of MAX 7 and 10? Is it the same issue that still needs to be solved for other MAXs? The issue i mean is the problem with the automatic deicing for engines.

[@mikoto7693]

Apparently Boeing has stopped asking for an exemption for the problem and the max 7 and 10 are halted from being certified until the issue with the melting engine intake cowling is fixed. Yet the exact same problem remains unresolved on the max 8 and 9s. Pilots have to remember to turn off the deicing system within five minutes of entering warm, dry air-with no reminder or automatic setting or the cowling will start melting. Honest to God, I’m never getting on another Boeing aircraft again ever. Pilots are generally smart and professional but they’re also human and sooner or later some poor Max pilots are going to forget.

[@zombiezombie1977]

@@mikoto7693 yes, but they know exactly that 8 and 9s are flying with this issue... this is absolutely insane...

[@lawyerpan]

Let me say this. I get the going back to engineering roots, but it isn’t the case that engineers are the best at running a company.

[@crungefactory]

The empire is a crumblin

[@alfredsogavare4739]

Boeing should cease production of the problematic type rather than to compromise lives over profits

[@ryhol5417]

Boeing: we paint our name on it, YOU make sure it won’t fall apart.

[@douginorlando6260]

The fact management refuses to move back to be close to the factories and engineering is all you need to know where Boeing’s problems are coming from. And if top management is not replaced with traditional style and priorities that made Boeing a success, then Boeing as a stock and a product will continue to crash and burn.

[@hereforthechips7710]

Not that it really means anything, but it is odd to me that you can be on a factory floor in a tank top. Issue custom company shirts, preferably long sleeve.

[@mielfuyafuya5018]

Is anyone else annoyed of that uncoordinated turn in the promotional video of the 737?

[@sarinc22]

737 series has maxed out. Meaning it's time to stop production 737 max series and bring in a NMA. Really for how long will Boeing keep squeezing the 737 . It's the most feared airline

[@Tconcept]

So a door popping off at 16,000ft isn't meant to happen? Wow where do I subscribe 😂

[@MQT-]

Quality escape? I didn't know quality had legs...lets just call it for what it is > LACK OF QUALITY ✈️

[@aaltvandenham]

To change the course of Boeing back to an engineering-company will take a lot of years. In the meantime customers will be ordering Airbus, Bombardier, and Chinese airplanes. It is very late for Boeing to not get into bankruptcy.

[@michaelsheargold]

The pivot Boeing needs to do is massive! The concept of a “quality escape” being a term the CEO uses is pathetic. New board new leadership - absolutely yes!

[@noahsemyonov]

i had layover in istanbul türkiye.. turkish airlines’s 737 jets were parked.

[@ncascadehiker]

As American business destroys itself, it gives opportunity to other nations to step in. I wonder how the US will look in 100 years.

[@douginorlando6260]

Wall Street should calculate the financial cost of going bankrupt in 5 years after the CEO cut a thousand corners and 10,000 skilled workers to improve short term profit. Sadly, financial investment managers get reworded for short term profits

[@thomassharp2719]

Airbus will build A220-500 . And kick the Boeing 737 Max off the map.

[@michaeltb1358]

They will not change unless they put an engineer in charge.

[@andyscherer6936]

If you aren't investing heavily in AirBus stock, you're crazy.

[@toms1348]

And then Airbus will be beholden to its shareholders. Careful at what you suggest. PS....Airbus has its own problems, and should be mindful about their planned production increases. They have a large backorder and are under significant pressure to deliver And the XLR is behind schedule. I don't see it getting certified this year.

[@andyscherer6936]

@@toms1348 fair enough but have found that investing based on public sentiment can work well....and half the time stock returns in general make zero sense when based on a company's fundamentals

[@timakey4678]

It is growing ever more difficult to have confidence in any corporate entity as they are all driven by pure greed. Lining the pockets of share holders and corporate officers is the only measure of success. That such motivation inevitably leads to failure, something taught by virtually every religion and philosophy in human history, is being ignored by nearly every person in leadership positions throughout the world including government, corporate, and (oddly enough) religion. It is a strange thing to watch unfold.

[@bigtedf07]

Fire the C-Suite and hire some good aeronautical engineers and a top notch executive VP safety manger and run that company like a Toyota or Honda like inspired business

[@randalltaylor3700]

I'd rather take a ride in Oceangate than a Boeing

[@TheRealWindlePoons]

This is the sad side of capitalism. Whether aerospace or finance, top bosses are seldom held to account and even when they lose their jobs they take millions in pension or bonuses. Time they actually faced some penalty: either harsh financial penalty or actual imprisonment (preferably the former as it hurts for longer).

[@timakey4678]

The people responsible for fixing the problems at Boing are the problem at Boing. Which makes me wonder if Boing can be fixed.

[@crungefactory]

Haha boing boing

[@timakey4678]

@@crungefactory A throwback to something my brothers and I used to call out to each other when we did something dumb. It was usually accompanied with a slap upside the head. Not sure where it came from, it was a long time ago. But Boeing has plenty of "boing" at the moment. Having spent a career as a pilot / mechanic I know its a serious business; but this is starting to look like a Three Stooges show.

[@harrymarckle5742]

Not sure why anyone is surprised about Boeing being about the shareholders, that’s the philosophy of almost every American business. Wall Street dictates. How many company names can you come up with that we’re all about the share price and Wall Street analysts than they were about the product and the people? It’s the unfortunately reality we live in and, yeah, it sux.

[@kevindawe911]

I refuse to fly on a Boeing aircraft, I have lost all faith in them to produce safe aircraft.

[@morh8762]

they didn't take two steps forward and one and a half steps backwards. They pretended to and airlines and people fell for it

[@Stanpianoman-zs7gy]

Boeing will be busy paying off lawsuits

[@edmundcasey7765]

SAD, AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, BOEING SHOULD HAVE PERFECTED SOMETHING IN MANUFACTURING & ASSEMBLY .. . BUT NO

[@user-nm8wv6it4v]

If Boeing doesn’t smarten up they will go the way of GM and Ford, Airbus will take over, like Toyota and Honda did

[@johndefalque5061]

But hey the disgraced outgoing CEO got a $15 million bonus-so mission accomplished.

[@ronaldlogan3525]

when are Boeing executives going to jail ?

[@bigvaxmeanie925]

Rich people dont go to jail

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

An embarrassing scramble. Boeing is too big to fail....

[@albrunelle2022]

There is nothing new here.

[@rln970]

Why do you use the term "quality escape"? It is a quality FAILURE. I find this whitewashing of a deadly problem to be offensive

[@briansilcox5720]

Going woke, going broke.

[@madmerlin1922]

As a 33 year retiree of Boeing I can tell you that these problems are most likely due to Boeing's adoption of ESG and implementation of DEI. Employees need to be held accountable and fired for their shoddy work. Boeing needs to hire workers based on merit not on diversity, equity, or inclusion.

[@pagemap]

Found the racist. Turn off the Faux "news" and stop rotting your brain.

[@gplunky]

DEI is killing Boeing.

[@aaltvandenham]

@louisbotes337 too much odds? Almost full aircraft and too much of a coin idence! I think AlaskaAir allready noticed something strange at the "plugdoor".

[@fransezomer]

Quality escape is NOTHING but semantics to lessen the issues at Boeing... QUALITY FAILURE is a more accurate description.

[@CREEPTEX]

Boeing's worst mistake...... absorbing Mcdonnel Douglas business "culture"...