More Range, Better DPM, Flatter Shell Arcs - Jinan Buffed 12.10

[@zagareth4604]

Try out the AP on the Jinan. In closer range I always swap to the AP and it works very well

[@SnafuBob]

Ditto.

[@vitezslavlorenc3479]

@@SnafuBob Nope Jinan AP sux balls.. and you dont want to be close to anything bigger than DD.

[@Kelvin_HTTYD]

True

[@eastyorkie1972]

Aa skill lets you almost smoke up straight after last one runs out, plus your torp reload booster gets a boost

[@SuperCrazf]

I would take the AA Expert instead of the Demolition Expert since Jinan already has a workable AA suite, DFAA and reducing the cooldown of consumables is nice

[@casualcashew9903]

AGINCOURT ONE TAKE??

[@ReDiR20]

One take: AA Build Agincourt

[@_airman_]

​@@ReDiR20Agincourt has AA?💀

[@obinator9065]

One Take: Turtle

[@m_swizzy22]

@@obinator9065wrong game? 🤣

[@casualcashew9903]

the best build by far for sure@@ReDiR20

[@non_htomas8188]

At 6:12 I think you can probably go broadside and get away with it? Italian ap will definitely overpen jinan at this range

[@zacharytresidentdigimonenj3397]

Love this ship so much. Just unlocked it. It's easily my favorite cruiser.

[@wararchusa]

PQ you have made this mistake in the Austin game aswell, if you are very close range to a ship, which doesnt have shortfuse or low caliber AP, then just give flat broadside. They will overpen!

[@jingles7127]

exactly

[@snoboreddotcom]

austin and jinan have a somewhat wider profile and 32mm plating that ends up arming the shells and letting them go off, unlike say smolensk

[@wararchusa]

@@snoboreddotcom thats why im saying close range! You will still arm most shells with your 95mm citadel belt, but the shells wont have time to arm

[@dzello]

@@wararchusa He has a 55% winrate and 20 games in Jinan, he doesn't really play it at all so..

[@ImpendingJoker]

Good tip when they are close like that, is to go wide spread.

[@LiquidCat-k5w]

PQ using Sep as a punching bag and made him eat all torps in the 2nd match

[@oXyGeN1300_]

Man, Jinan would be a blast on Legends with my build (2.5s reload based off PC stats). Too bad she's been banished to the shadow realm for over 10 months. Great vid, PQ, would love to see some more cruiser vids.

[@gamingrootz4411]

Yayy ty for givin me a reason to play again, be tryin it later :)

[@Bk2O7]

Jinan still suffers hard when a DD/Sub is spotting it.

[@sLim88CPC]

Literally for the first time since I started playing wows (early 2016) they are buffing something I'm grinding right now - ITA dds and PA cruisers. I was waiting only 7 years. xD

[@ImRandomDude]

One thing I cant overlook with deepwater torps.... why does it have wake on surface for god sakes

[@doublesoul862]

I have a bit if a stupid question: why are flatter shell arcs considered better? If they have the same lead time, then I would presume that taller arcs are better for something like Jinan since it wants to hit the superstructure and deck with HE anyway, it doesn't fire AP much so flat impacts into belt armor don't really matter as much, and it lets the player lob shells over islands more easily.

[@keviin1314]

the question is, are the leadtime the same ? it feels faster, more direct

[@doublesoul862]

@@keviin1314 Maybe it is, I honestly don't know, idk if higher arcs are compensated for with higher velocity so that they hit the water at the same time as lower arcs. Maybe it's not like that, in that case lower arcs are just better, plus I realized that hitting an enemy with plunging fire is much harder than hitting them with a straight line shot because their position in both dimensions matters much more rather than only one dimension really mattering.

[@atpyro7920]

flatter shell arcs means the muzzle velocity, shell drag, or some other variable on the shells was changed to make them perform better. It’s why Soviet cruiser guns are so good, they have very little shell drag and high initial muzzle velocity, which means they can pen a lot of stuff that other nation’s guns with the same or bigger caliber can’t (example given: Petro AP is as good or better than Bismarck’s AP penetration wise)

[@danh7411]

No, Jinan line all get better velocity too.

[@KB_13247]

i'm curious if a periscope sub would get hit by deep water torps.

[@Brezzanater]

You also should sport the special commands with the increased fire chance

[@Virgilfinnatell]

He is using it. That's why the skill has a + symbol on it.

[@tehalexy]

8:22 u were the whole time hydrod. that Napoli must have seen the torps ... paid actor X_X

[@strategynerd]

Napoli doesn't have a hydro so it would've been the Agir's, which only spots torps at 4km

[@MeghanathBisan]

Can u play san martin with new commander skills giving it an insane consumable cooldown time

[@old_guard2431]

Chump in a Chumphon hopes they did the same for the 5”/38s.

[@old_guard2431]

My man Da Rong can do no wrong. . .

[@phuongnguyen-hb4wj]

When will WG buff the IJN cruiser line anyway?

[@anthonyretzlaff3117]

Can you do a US Maine one take I play the Playstation version wows legends and I want to grind a American line of battle ships, and I absolutely love your content and have used it to grind a few lines already. Love your stuff man

[@christophermitchell923]

Wait when they make the super Jinan

[@Mindgamescc]

want to be the focus of an entire team? use the jinan. its great being the focus of 8 ships.

[@KES33615]

I wish they would stop breaking things. Now I can't seem to double click to send a full salvo and also when I queue up an ammo switch it doesn't fulling load the current ammo type. I swear, if they patched themselves, they would be dead as they would probably break their autonomic system.

[@P__E11]

It already was OP - now... WAYYYY OP

[@NORxDRONExAT01]

^a question based in reality, constructed by intelligent criticism. WG asks YOU why

[@omarnuneznavy]

Just want Yoda to get a buff

[@pauloakwood9208]

How about a buff for the Austin.

[@james0591]

Azuma Ship request

[@Brezzanater]

Dear jinan - I think you are best ship - love me

[@danielwarren7110]

i have been wondering about deep water torps, as when asashio came into the game it was BB only but now they are in the game quiet commonly but hit crusiers too if asashio will get a buff as it has been power creeped as always thanks for the video

[@opposingcritter]

If asashio could hit cruisers too it would be a monster imo, one can dream

[@cloggedpitot1]

I might be wrong, but I think the gimmick with Asashio was the deepwater torps plus their insane range, 20km if I recall. Maybe thats why they omitted cruisers as targets. I like Jinan but I suck at playing her. Well to be fair I suck at the game, but yea.

[@danielwarren7110]

@@cloggedpitot1 no you are absolutly right 20km torps based on real torps that the japanese used that had a range of 27km in real life. So the guns were super slow, but you used to be able to choose between 15km torps and 20 km torps with the commander skills at one point then with the first rework that went away, So you had only at that time two boats with 20km torps Asashio and Shima and only Asashio had the deepwater torps and then power creep as well as the introduction of deep water torps on other boats now IX Iwami, X Shimakaze, Yoshino, Yamagiri, Kitakami, have 20km torps as well and 31 ships have deep water torps that can hit Carriers, BBs and cruisers. just curious haha

[@danielwarren7110]

@@opposingcritter yes yes it would be, well for 5% of the players... those people who stay at 20 to 15 km still would not hit anything and claim it was a bad ship

[@danh7411]

except Asashio is tier 8, and it contest with stuff like Harbin, Siliwangi, Hsienyang or Irian, all of which are weaker area denial than Asashio so no, no buff.

[@seanwu9955]

is Jinan worth to grind after buff when u already have Smolensk?

[@MartyInLa]

They are totally different ships. Smolensk is no torpedo boat.

[@SiTang]

Please add buff for Chumphon as well!

[@V12carlover]

I think the buff is across the entire pan-asian cruiser line including the Chumphon. its a struggle bus to get to the jinan but the Jinan is tons of fun. try it out on public test right new for the next few days public test is running

[@paulsidneward]

Looks like a great ship. How do I get it?

[@MartialEmperor6344]

It's a tech tree line ship...Pan Asian line

[@paulsidneward]

@@MartialEmperor6344 Thanks. Feel really stupid. I don't know why I didn't check that. I assumed it was a premium ship.

[@MartialEmperor6344]

Yeh np and it's a pretty good ship great for stopping pushes

[@MrFishstxx]

I loved this ship before the changes

[@MadmanLink]

For some reason the Jinan is not as tough as the Austin. I find the Jinan just gets wreaked all the time and the Austin would pull a crazy bounce.

[@SJB117]

that thing was already my least favourite ship to play against lol

[@samgraham5180]

Surprised you don't have the legendary commander on this. He's amazing on this ship.

[@yomammasaurusrex9571]

He's even better on the Yueyang

[@dzello]

The legendary commander is horrible on Jinan. High Alert talent? Jinan isn't good at getting Combat Scout. Torpedo Attack Expert talent? You need six torpedo hits for the talent to start. Emergency Supplies talent? Jinan isn't good at tanking. Hence why he runs Da Rong which is far superior.

[@samgraham5180]

@@dzello Torp Talent alone makes it worth. If you're not getting 6 torp hits you're playing it wrong and to call him horrible is asinine.

[@dzello]

@@samgraham5180 Nope, just improved Demolition alone is more worth than the entire legendary commander which is why people don't put their Sa Zhenbing on Jinan; he's also far better on Yueyang across the board. The torpedo talent is a noob bait: you need 6 torpedo hits to trigger it in the first place and the extra torpedo reload booster comes as a very late game buff when you need it least so it has little game impact.

[@farhanaaktermuna3513]

Ship request: Flandre

[@coleblackburn8386]

What is that camo he is using on Jinan?

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

Modded

[@eshop777]

How is the Kitakami better than the Jinan?

[@atpyro7920]

normal torps instead of deep waters

[@eshop777]

@@atpyro7920 Yes, but the Kitakami torps have a very high range of detectability. The only downside to the Jinan torps is they won't work on DDs, but the Jinan has sufficient guns to deal with DDs. So, I am trying to figure out why I would want to roll out of port with a Kitakami rather than a Jinan.

[@ilkcanbuecis]

well no hydro on such ship is a bit funny

[@shadthompson9297]

Hey PQ. StarJewel here. I felt bad for you on randoms. Kept running into you. You just get dunked on bro.

[@ReymonG90]

When will this buff be applied? Im at the Chungkun :P

[@dzello]

It's already in

[@LosCadaver]

I am sad they flattened the shell arc

[@vivekpatel3752]

No matter what you say. It's painful to play this thing in a CV and sub game...

[@PhantomMiles]

yeah. the malta is ultimate devastator

[@MarcusKuann]

What about the other 90% of cruisers that have worse AA than Jinan?

[@vivekpatel3752]

@@MarcusKuann they are already dead and dead man tells no tales...

[@jackz166]

oh man, the line still sucks

[@V12carlover]

Jinan is tons of fun but yeah its a struggle bus to get there lol

[@Cosmitaur]

First!

[@CaptainSpud80]

Broadside cruiser is the safest position possible in 2023

[@bahadiralpcetin]

8:39 I dont understand PQ. While this is happening, you are constantly being hydroed by ägir, which means that your torps were in hydro range of him too. How did napoli not see them? Or am I wrong and hydro actually doesnt show jinan torps??

[@opposingcritter]

Hydro will detect them the same like normal torps so the guy wasn't paying attention most likely

[@striderpiano]

torp detection range is shorter on hydro than ship detection range, so even with a 6km hydro, you might only be able to see torps at 5 or 4 km, so napoli probably didnt see the torps, turned to get their own torps out, and by the time the deep waters were spotted it was already too late to maneuver with how wide the turning circle is.

[@xxxthwagdrakexxx4672]

Some kid from the last video was dogging on jinan (even though the video was about austin as if its better than this) and then here pq comes to show him how its done in a supposed "bad" cruiser that "was worth dismissal" 😂😂