More Silly Atheist Memes (REBUTTED)

In this episode Trent rebuts even more silly atheist memes from the Internet.
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00:00 Introduction
00:10 Meme 1 / The Creation Story Timeline
00:50 Meme 2 / The Dark Ages
01:37 Meme 3 / How Christians Treat Atheists v How Atheists Treat Christians
02:40 Memes 4, 5, 6 / Proof of the existence of God
06:54 Meme 7 / Atheists’ Solutions to problems of the World v Christians
08:00 Meme 8 / Arguments for Atheism v Theism
08:38 Memes 9, 10 / The Christians ‘NEED’ to share beliefs v Atheist who ‘DO NOT’
08:55 Meme 11 / Atheist and their contributions to society, does it make Atheism correct?
09:30 Meme 12’ / Jesus never existed’

[@Kharniela]

A large number of these memes can be summarised with the phrase- 'Checkmate theists, I have already depicted myself as the chad, and you as the soyjak."

[@Jamienewman0]

You can be summarized thusly: "I eat bits of dead Jesus at least once a week, and I do it without gaining weight!"

[@Kharniela]

@@Jamienewman0 Nice try, but I actually am in Sin, I cannot receive communion.

[@Sermonator9000]

​@@Jamienewman0tell me you don't understand Communion without telling me you don't understand Communion

[@newglof9558]

@@Jamienewman0 understand transubstantiation before commenting, please. thanks

[@sakoffie1138]

Right on

[@collegepennsylvania837]

"The gospel is that I am so sinful that Jesus had to die for me, yet so loved and valued that Jesus was glad to die for me. This leads to deep humility and deep confidence at the same time. I can't feel superior to anyone, and yet I have nothing to prove to anyone." -- Tim Keller

[@mbreher7458]

Good ol TK Micdrop

[@Mathayas_]

8:00 I am reminded of the time Einstein was asked to comment on the book 'One hundred authors against Einstein' he just said if he was wrong one should have been enough.

[@velkyn1]

curious how there are thouands of books with christians each insisting that only their version is the right one.

[@spencerd8504]

@@velkyn1 if you are talking about christian denominations and their own version of the Bible, you might want to check how 'different' they are... even to the most Christians the different version will all looks and reads the same.

[@eddardgreybeard]

​@@velkyn1 And all but 3 of them cropped up in the 16th century

[@johnmccrossan9376]

​@@velkyn1 if something mattered you, mattered more than life and death itself, and you saw people getting it nearly right but doing important but subtle things wrong wouldn't you want to argue your case?

[@marvalice3455]

Which is a sick one liner, but logically doesn't follow. Because Einstein was primarily a public figure. As we have seen from the last several years, one scientist speaking out against a public figure is indestinguishable from none

[@KageMinowara]

Atheist: "You can thank gay atheist Alan Turing for the computer." >mfw he hasn't heard of straight protestant Charles Babbage XD

[@velkyn1]

so, all you have is that a gay and a straight man gave us computers. Cool.

[@newglof9558]

@@velkyn1 Low IQ Velkyn, back at it again

[@TheJman423]

@@velkyn1 Alan Turing did not invent computer science so the base proposition is false anyways.

[@shreddedhominid1629]

@@TheJman423Nobody said he did. You gonna keep trying to downplay a genius persecuted gay man because of your own religious tribalism? Pathetic.

[@Disciple_JK]

@@shreddedhominid1629 except nobody here said anything to deliberately downplay his importance nor condone his persecution, they're just adding on to what was said in the video, which was only there to rebuke the pointless claim about Turing's contributions to computer science as if that random fact has anything to do with the truth or significance of theism

[@mgvilaca]

Trent's mind is literally mine in the hot shower after an argument

[@halleylujah247]

You are definitely not male. Men don't do this. 😂

[@melchior2678]

He admitted the largest growing population globally are Muslims. As a Muslim it gives me satisfaction to know I am in the winning population.

[@Dalamr]

"Survival of the fittest and altruistic hospitals don't really go together." I chuckled at that. Thanks!

[@wet-read]

Really? It's moronic.

[@darrylelam256]

You 'chuckled' at that because you are clueless as to what is meant by survival of the fittest.

[@randomusername3873]

Survival of the fittest is not a moral position unless you are a theist

[@robertdolcetti450]

Social Darwinism would like to have a word with you.

[@PercydeRoloFangirl]

Atheists:Atheists will treat Christians better than Christians to Atheists Me:The French Revolution?!

[@461weavile]

The French anything, really.

[@JesusIsKing_AlphaandOmega]

@@461weavilefr

[@JesusIsKing_AlphaandOmega]

Not to mention the amount of Ad Hominem thrown around by them.

[@mr.iankp.5734]

The Soviet Union…or anywhere Communism establishes itself?!

[@mr.iankp.5734]

The Soviet Union…and anywhere Communism has established itself?!

[@stray1239]

on the first one: we can also assume time itself didn't even exist before the world was created, so the idea of days kind of has to be a metaphor.

[@miltonwetherbee5489]

Well, if you'll notice, Genesis starts out, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." There's no mention of days. It's only after the universe came into existence that days are talked about. So, you can definitely argue that Genesis supports the idea that time only exists with the existence of the universe.

[@blusheep2]

The Hebrew syntax between "In the beginning" and the earth being "formless and void," implies an indeterminate amount of time between the two. This has been recognized by scholars and theologians for 1000 years. "Formless and void" doesn't mean "without form and non-existent." The words are "tohu and bohu" When these words are found in scripture they always describe a chaotic or purposeless state. So, a wilderness, a bad king, a useless idol. What this implies is that God after an indeterminate time approached the earth which was in a chaotic and purposeless state. He then begins to assign meaning and purpose for the things on it over 6 literal days. So he doesn't just make the moon and sun but he makes them to mark the seasons. He doesn't just create trees but he creates them to bear fruit. Even the term "create" doesn't necessarily mean "creation ex nihilo." Nowhere else in the Bible does it have to mean that though some places it might. Instead we find that "create" or "bara" in scripture also tends to be about order and purpose...so... "Create in me a clean heart oh God." or "I create Israel for..." There is even more evidence of this in the verses at the beginning of chapter 2. We find something called a toledot which is a Hebraic literary formula that acts as a book end to story. Usually found in relation to genealogies. This implies that chapter 2 when Adam and Eve were created, was a sequel and not a parallel account. If this is what the toledot suggests then the creation of man on the 6th day is different then the "creation/bara" of Adam and Eve, meaning that mankind already existed before Adam and Eve. This makes sense with the story because Adam wasn't "created" in the garden which is what you would expect. Instead he was taken from somewhere and placed in the garden. When he was exiled from the garden he was placed back from where he was taken. Gen. 3:22. Even the creation of Eve isn't likely literal. The story begins by God putting Adam into a deep sleep. This phrase throughout the Bible is always used preceding a vision. So what likely happened is that God gave Adam a vision which explained the purpose and function of the marriage relationship and not an operation Even the word "good" in the ancient Hebrew carries the meaning of "functional." So when God says after each day that it was "good," its saying that "it was functional." It was working as ordered. It had purpose. So then the question is about the days. Why did God need 6 days to give meaning to things? Well, 7 was an ancient temple inauguration number. The temple to Baal was consecrated over 7 days. Solomon made 7 petitions at the opening of the Jerusalem temple and it was consecrated in 7 steps. So what does that mean? There is a good chance that the ancients were describing that the Earth was God's cosmic temple which was inaugurated over the course of 7 days and that Adam and Eve were chosen to be mankind's first representative priest/kings of God's creation. The garden of Eden is the Holy of Holies where man meets with God.

[@461weavile]

​@@blusheep2 started off strong. When you suggested that the creation story was counting a literal number of days, I realized that this was not going where I was expecting. You've possibly confused the cause and effect here, as well. Is it not possible that God's use of rhe number 7 is what led the followers of those false religions to do things with their temples using the number 7? Why does it have to be that the scribes of the creation story had to have imitated the number 7 from that?

[@blusheep2]

@@461weavile _Is it not possible that God's use of rhe number 7 is what led the followers of those false religions to do things with their temples using the number 7?_ No, not at all, unless you are presupposing that the Genesis account is the original story that all the other Mesopotamian creation stories relied on. The use of 7 as a temple inauguration number is found throughout the fertile crescent and used for other gods. The point, anyway, is not to prove what I said but to show that there is a very reasonable and scholarly alternative to the Young Earth Creationist's literalism, that looks at the ancient authors and the ancient cultural river that they existed in. Do you want another one... not creation related? What do you think about God causing the sun to stand still in Joshua?

[@461weavile]

@@blusheep2 Well, you seem to have misread what I said, but that's alright. As for the sun in the story of Joshua, are you asking if I think the events of that story are literal?

[@Crabpeople66]

I love the back and forward of serious thoughtful discussions on deep topics and more lighthearted ones like busting memes. Keep it up Trent!

[@newglof9558]

7:04 quote by Madalyn Murray O'Hair in response to her son converting to Christianity: "One could call this a postnatal abortion on the part of a mother, I guess; I repudiate him entirely and completely for now and all times ... he is beyond human forgiveness."

[@mige8492]

​@@tomasrocha6139according to wikipedia in 1980 when her son became Christian

[@newglof9558]

@@tomasrocha6139 Please see "Ungodly : the passions, torments, and murder of atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair" by Ted Dragos, published in 2003 You can also find some interviews with her son William Murray (the one who converted) about it.

[@grantbartley483]

sounds like a lucky escape for the son

[@DhirenGowda]

Dont forget that Madalyn was an avid antisemite

[@marvalice3455]

​@@grantbartley483indeed

[@filioque4509]

"Hundreds of books of arguments for atheism..."? Only hundreds? I think you're selling theology short Trent. Haha! Love your work!

[@JesusIsKing_AlphaandOmega]

ROFL

[@WagesOfDestruction]

I get a lot of arguments about hospitals, and they always frustrate me. It's true, as you say, that many hospitals have religious roots, but the same principle applies to countless charities, schools and social programs. Let me share some personal experiences. When I faced serious legal trouble, someone from the Salvation Army offered free legal advice. Similarly, while driving through a remote area recently, I came across a Lutheran Church mission providing free coffee to drivers - a much-needed pick-me-up on a long journey.

[@OppressedPotato]

I love this channel, even as a non-denominational Protestant. To the is Genesis literal point, the Bible clearly states that there was already light and dark before the stars and planets were made. Ergo, there could be days before suns.

[@toluwalasearinola2908]

Same here

[@TheStarshipGarage]

I'm also a non-denominational protestant, and that's how I interpret Genesis, the sun was just a vessel for the light.

[@SergeantSkeptic686]

@@TheStarshipGarage And how do you interpret the _firmament?_

[@moosechuckle]

Right there with you, although, I’m currently looking into orthodox.

[@user-yq9im9dk9z]

​@@SergeantSkeptic686 magnetic field?

[@mr.iankp.5734]

It's a shame such low hanging fruit needs to be addressed. Not because Trent is petty or whatever, but because many people buy these low hanging fruit without any real thought. Ironic, considering they always accuse us of being "irrational".

[@TheStarshipGarage]

These are the equivalent of Moon-Landing denier or flat earth memes, it seems convincing if you don't do any research beyond looking at memes.

[@teeemm9456]

@@TheStarshipGarage Wait, I can't use memes to cite my work? CRAP

[@newglof9558]

it's ironic that the "rational" people who accuse us of "not thinking" are far, faaaar more likely to outsource their thinking

[@461weavile]

It hurts me so much knowing that people can believe these are true in the slightest.

[@JuanManuel-ep8do]

You are irrational if you believe in anything that can't be proven

[@TheHimbeerjoghurt]

Also little Funfact: The dark ages are dark because we don't have that many sources for them...

[@tylere.8436]

Exactly, sources get very hard to come by around AD 600-900. I know this because this period was when the school systems collapsed and Arab invasions disturbed the classical world. Partially why the Romance languages were brought about.

[@sakoffie1138]

Usually in my conversations with atheists, they are almost always cursing, cussing, threatening me or mocking me, which they call logic and reasoning. I'm proud that I've come this far in the hit list.

[@JesusIsKing_AlphaandOmega]

They’re also proud, but the deadly sin kind and not the “i did good” kind

[@sakoffie1138]

@@JesusIsKing_AlphaandOmega indeed

[@JuanManuel-ep8do]

At least they are only doing that, during the medieval people who did not believe in your god were executed, and don't forget the Spanish conquistadors.

[@JesusIsKing_AlphaandOmega]

@@JuanManuel-ep8do “your people did this hundreds of years ago so I’m right”

[@JesusIsKing_AlphaandOmega]

I don’t claim to the Roman Catholic *EMPIRE.*

[@EpoRose1]

1:48 good “meme” response- a painting of the martyrs of Compiègne, the Carmelite nuns executed during the Reign of Terror for being nuns.

[@NickNui]

Atheistdad: "I don't wear anything that states my lack of belief." Atheistdad: Names his account "Atheistdad"

[@darrylelam256]

He doesn't WEAR his account. His ACCOUNT was created because he normally does not talk about atheism and the ACCOUNT was created to addressed the bad arguments of theists. Its like you are trying to show how clueless you are.

[@NickNui]

@@darrylelam256 Don't matter, it's the same principle. If there's anything wrong with the simple act of wearing a cross, that logic should also apply to usernames.

[@HandledToaster2]

​@@darrylelam256 Did you black out during the part where he was shown wearing a shirt affirming his atheism

[@jdotoz]

"AtheistDad" literally made "Atheist" the first part of his name. It has pride of place in the thing that gets associated with everything he does on Twitter. But I guess he technically isn't "wearing" it. 🤦

[@darrylelam256]

""AtheistDad" literally made "Atheist" the first part of his name"And WHY do you think he did that? "It has pride of place" Nope wrong. Its a LABEL that he created to RESPOND with you clueless people like you. "But I guess he technically isn't "wearing" it." Correct he is not wearing it. He does NOT wear anything to identify him as an atheist in his day to day active. The religious however do it all the time.

[@ericperusek7105]

In all fairness, many Christians in America have given these guys ammo with their anti-intellectual approach to faith and scripture.

[@haihopotato9917]

in all fairness, athiests from reddit give christians ammo by being insufferable know-it-all neckbeards

[@Rocky-ur9mn]

Trent should cut videos like these into shorts so it reaches morep ppl

[@ellisfrancisfarros3935]

Although that may reach a lot of people, they needn't necessarily explore Trent's long form videos. I've seen a lot of channels posting viral shorts with a lot of views but their normal long form content doesn't even get half of it most of the time.

[@Rocky-ur9mn]

@@ellisfrancisfarros3935 doesn't change the fact that it's still planting seeds

[@tel1723]

8:00 it takes 100 pennys to make 1 dollar. If it takes 100,000,000 books of atheism to argue with 1 book of theism. I think i know what is valuable

[@Dock284]

But if it takes 100,00,000 books of religion to argue with one persons lack of belief in any god(s) I think I know what is valuable. You can see how meaningless this sounds right?

[@tel1723]

@@Dock284 ...no

[@slynt_]

I'm an atheist but have a lot of respect for Catholicism and as a former philosophy student, I find Christian theology interesting in its own right. Appreciate the work you do to approach your faith rationally and in a spirit of open enquiry

[@kevindiamant415]

Oh YES!!! One of my all time childhood favorites!! The music, the visuals, the gameplay: 10/10

[@HorseloverFat1984]

You're lost buddy

[@kevindiamant415]

​@@HorseloverFat1984It appears so 🤔 Come to think of it, that man on the screen doesn't exactly look like Donkey Kong from Donkey Kong Country for the SNES 🤔 (Don't know how I ended up here 😅)

[@HorseloverFat1984]

@@kevindiamant415 Lmao

[@jatniel977]

I lost 1000 brain cells reading the penguin one

[@wet-read]

That penguin is an imposter, anyway. Brian Williams chronicled the real thing; he was there!

[@crujones1021]

Thanks for fighting the good fight Trent.

[@HungryWarden]

More like the stupid fight.

[@holyguacamole4058]

a fine piece of evidence that Christianity can promote black-and-white, friend-or-foe thinking.

[@Gdjgcjvj]

@@holyguacamole4058 I agree, Christ makes the path of what we know, can know, and should know straight and clear, and test the faith of believers through whatever ignorance we may have and any doubts that we may gain while moving forward on our journey. Also yes I know that you are trying to denounce Christianity, however it makes truth clear and obvious, I do not see any atheism resulting in a clearer morality, truth, and way of life. Also being a foe doesn’t make Christians hate you, if you believe that then you have never understood Christianity.

[@holyguacamole4058]

@@Gdjgcjvj do you love Satan?

[@stevecinneide8183]

you just wasted 10$ on a guy who did not respond. It's okay, he did that to me too...

[@MyMy-tv7fd]

the painting is Flemish, possibly by Hugo van der Goes. It is the centre panel of a tryptych from the Low Renaissance, (1475-99), so drastically after the 'Dark Ages'. The clothing depicts the dress of the 1400s, but the martyrdom of Hippolytus, Bishop of Rome, was c.AD235. And as for atheists treating anyone better than Christians, I have always wondered why those who believe that when they die anything they have done wrong in this life which they got away with is lost and forgotten, and they got away scot free forever, should imagine that they will be moral at all about anything they think that they can get away with...

[@EphemeralRecursion]

As an atheist, this is a fantastic channel. Great video. Love the irony of the "atheist poem" which claims that atheists volunteer deeds while Christians pray, while in reality Christians volunteersm way more than atheists

[@MrPigeonnn]

I've always wondered when what I'm supposed to do to for someone on the internet 1300 miles away from me who had a terrible accident. Send them money I don't have? If there was something I could do I would and prayers is something.

[@SevereFamine]

As a former atheist myself, all I can say is keep asking questions, and keep seeking answers!

[@Doc-Holliday1851]

you seem to recognize the good within christianity. I'm curious as to why you aren't yourself a believer.

[@ShiniGuraiJoker]

How do you prove Christians or atheists volunteer more? When my house burnt down, I had ONE local church provide a donation. My own church did nothing (that is there decision). Yet, I know it seemed like a 1 to 1 private donations were atheist to Christians in my local area.

[@johnmccrossan9376]

​@@ShiniGuraiJokerwhile that's regrettable of course you can prove that Christians as a whole give more by looking at the publicly available books of major charities. The catholic church is the largest, with other independent catholic groups in the top 100. Then you have all the other major church denominations, most of which also give very generously. I'm sorry about your home and the inaction of your church but the numbers are clear. It may be worth switching to that other church if your own congregation obviously had the means to help but chose not to, Christianity is inherently good and true but sadly not all "Christians" live the faith they profess.

[@davidestate]

There is a website called When Atheist get it wrong written by an Atheist. In one of his post he stated that any Atheist who would say Jesus did not exist, is an Atheist no one should trust to listen to or read for if any Atheist would stated such as a fact, they have not read any historical books, which there are many so in fact that if any Atheist says that Jesus does not exist to simple debunk a Christian, they are in fact also debunking Historians and all their work.. He also said that many Atheist write very well and that they write like they are speaking truth however there are more than don't speak truth but want other to believe them. Anyways, this Atheist says, being an Atheist does not mean writing or taking the time to dispute history, let alone Jesus.

[@newglof9558]

another good one is History for Atheists.

[@newglof9558]

8:04 the irony is that classical atheism, the "proposition that God does not exist", has historically been extremely difficult to argue for which is why very few people have actually been atheists historically (and the ones that did adopt the moniker were usually nuts). The more recent adoption of atheism post-Feuerbach and post-Marx had to do with the beginning of ideology as such, denying God because that's what was necessary for their ideological project (as opposed to proving their case). Nowadays, very few people actually make the case for classical atheism, with most contemporary atheists only 1) appealing to the "bad behavior of theists" and 2) appealing to what they perceive as fallacious theistic arguments. Atheism is a proposition and is by no means a lack of belief (the ever-popular "lack of belief" definition began with philosopher Anthony Flew who created that definition "to make atheism easier to sell", and ended up believing in God before he died). Even atheist philosopher Keith Parsons has acknowledged that Alvin Plantinga (regardless of what you think of him) effectively rendered the theist/atheist debate back to its "pre-Flew state", indicating that the classical definition of atheism (i.e. the proposition that God does not exist) continues to be used in academic contexts, just like it has been historically. Granted, in recent times, arguing for the actual proposition of atheism has changed a bit with guys like J.H. Sobel, Graham Oppy and J. L. Mackie, but unfortunately, this hasn't trickled down to the "atheists on the ground" (who I'd argue aren't atheists at all)

[@DarkMatter2525]

This is blatantly false. "very few people have actually been atheists historically" is because the charge of atheism was routinely used to execute people. The real irony, since you seem to appreciate irony so much, is that the early Christians were executed under the charge of atheism (for rejecting the "actual" gods).

[@clinged2711]

Make more please, this was very nice to listen to

[@dqwno4900]

Please do more of these! I like them a lot.

[@helwrecht1637]

It’s always so funny when it’s like “atheists believe in actually doing work” are ridiculous As society has become more secular we have WATCHED as the world has become less charitable

[@CaptainFantastic222]

What’s your quantification or “less charitable”

[@babs_babs]

bs. religious people only give to the churches, not to people who need it

[@SwolllenGoat]

lol 2000 years of uninterrupted 'religious rule' and what we got was slavery, serfdom, brutal oppression and the denial of basic rights for anyone outside the very elites................. but hey, the king would toss coins to the beggers............. Now, in an age where we CAN actually fix things like 'poverty' through the power of the secular state.............. what party consistently votes AGAINST this sort of 'charity' ? Thats right, the party of guns, jesus and red trucker hats............... MEANWHILE the 'atheist' 'marxist' liberal democracies of europe, through the power of the state, distribute far more 'charity' than these good american christians would ever approve.................. in fact, they HATE the very idea of all that 'charity' How odd........................

[@RabidLeech.]

Atheist: So you really think your God is correct over the 5,000 other gods on earth? Me: Yes, yes I do.

[@garrysmodsketches]

1 divided by 5000, that's 0.02% chance that you are correct. So you're probably wrong.

[@bk2524]

Damn you are sharp. Appreciate the channel

[@TheCounselofTrent]

Thank you for supporting the channel! -Vanessa

[@mikkelbjerring2914]

Love it! Great content!

[@DoctorLazertron]

I like these, the low tier replies are to low tier memes but retain truth and simplicity. Thanks for treading the bottom of the barrel Trent.

[@Dock284]

This is why we don't talk about memes in religion and philosophy. It's pointless. They are memes with little to no actual value to the conversation. I mean they're MEMES for crying out loud.

[@DoctorLazertron]

@@Dock284 The meme culture absolutely changes and forms opinions though. The fact that they're low tier and people don't think very hard about them is why they're effective.

[@manne8575]

God bless you Trent

[@baeyongsam]

Thankyou Trent

[@dynamic9016]

Thanks much for this video.

[@dani4157]

"An atheist believes a deed must be done instead of a prayer". Sure, but most of the time when I see something tragic on the news, people just get mad because someone said "thoughts and prayers". Yet, do they end up donating? or anything? Not the ones I've seen mad at least. So I would say as a christian, that we believe at the very least you should say a prayer, instead of NOTHING

[@DarkMatter2525]

"Not the ones I've seen mad at least" Oh? How do you know?

[@dani4157]

@@DarkMatter2525 Because I know a lot of athiests personally

[@I_Stole_A_BTR-80]

On meme 2, the reason Europe was experience a "Dark Age" was because simultaneously, the Muslim world was experiencing the "Islamic Golden Age". Surely both societies could co-exist in prosperity though right? No, because the islamic golden age was only prosperous because of their pillaging of Europe and its wealth. That's why it was the Dark Ages, because we were under constant siege. The Dark Ages also coincidentally end roughly at the same time as the Christian world coming together to fight off the muslim world. Not because "muh religious rules" and "muh religious landowners".

[@UltriLeginaXI]

2:65 As a Lutheran I've struggled to argue against the "One less God" argument for awhile and the argument itself annoyed the crap out of me because it most often isn't used an argument but more of a sarcastic, snarky, and shallow insult. Thank you so much for giving me the answer to strike it down.

[@herlocksholmes9369]

I'm Lutheran too (though I'm exploring Catholic theology as well). Anyway, I will recommend also reading the Catholic philosphy professor Edward Feser on this subject - he has written a lot about it on his blog. For example check out his blogpost with the title "A further thought on the “one god further” objection" - it goes a step deeper than Trent does in this video. Feser has written lots of interesting texts about how we can know that God exist, simply by using reason. Some of his texts are more difficult to understand than others, especially if you aren't that used to reading philosophical texts, so you might want to read some texts more than once, or check his references to other posts he has written which explain what he means by various terms he uses. Anyway, I can highly recommend checking his blog out :)

[@camilogallardo5262]

Love these, just want to push the algorithm by commenting love you trent! god bless

[@Catmonks7]

These memes were predestined to be cringe 😂 great episode Trent

[@katathoombz]

1:50 not to mention the French Revolution of 1789...

[@JGutubez]

Well done!

[@TCM1231]

Just a note on Muslim birth rates, their apostasy rates are equal to their birth rates apparently. We need to do more work with them to evangelize.

[@imperialhistory6120]

It's difficult to say considering the death penalty for apostasy in Islam. So I think it is much higher then we even think. Some studies show that 11 percent of Saudis are closet ex Muslims and its close to 60 percent in Iran.

[@katydidd6321]

Mentioning the League of Militant Atheists, and all of the triggering of modern-day that alone will entail, earned this video a Like. Other than that, they've already burned a bunch of churches in Canada, and unalived innocent Christian school children so the "don't worry, we'll treat you better" meme is already demonstrably false. Not that they care about things like accuracy.

[@newglof9558]

Nailed it.

[@tomasrocha6139]

What evidence do you have that the Canadian Church burnings or the unaliving of Christian schoolchildren were carried out by atheists?

[@TheSpacePlaceYT]

@@newglof9558 Nah the Romans already nailed it.

[@newglof9558]

​@@TheSpacePlaceYTYes, the Romans and Jews killed Christ, and He conquered death in his Resurrection. Very good.

[@shreddedhominid1629]

Victim mentality of religious people is pathetic. Even when your goal is to impose authoritative religious theocracy on the world, you’ll still somehow claim that you’re the victim. LOL

[@WhiteScorpio2]

And how did Thomas Aquinas exactly determine that the author of the Genesis ment it metaphorically and where did he get the "accurate" account of creation from?

[@jessiemeisenheimer8675]

Civilizations like the ones in Egypt and the near east would be older than 6,000 years. This would be common knowledge among the educated. The Egyptians and Persians were to the Romans and Greeks how the Romans and Greeks are to us.

[@jdotoz]

Only a handful of religions point to the philosophically necessary infinite being, and they arguably all point to the same thing even though they don't have the same level of knowledge.

[@PatrickHunter-hz2og]

9:00 You like gravity? Thank Anglican Christian Isaac Newton.

[@renjithjoseph7135]

Pretty sure he was non-Trinitarian and therefore not Christian.

[@mr.iankp.5734]

​@@renjithjoseph7135 He was certainly not trinitarian (according to some of his theological writings), but he was certainly no atheist.

[@randomapost8]

Gravity wasn’t invented.

[@SmilingCamperVan-fn4em]

He was a Trinitarian dont misled people

[@JesusIsKing_AlphaandOmega]

@@randomapost8nobody said anything about inventing it, but nice try buddy.

[@jacobhargiss9909]

You know, for a group that claims to be guided by pure reason and hard scientific data, they come up with the most nonsensical arguments I've ever heard. "Eric the god eating pengiin". I bet that atheist felt really intellectual when he came up with that one.

[@SenorCinema]

You’ve asserted a theism claim that god exists without any empirical evidence to back your claim. So did the atheists. Also, it’s called satire

[@jacobhargiss9909]

@@SenorCinema here is the major problem with their logic, one assertion being incorrect does not inherently mean both are incorrect. For example, 2 men are accused of theft, one is innocent and the other is guilty. However, there is no evidence to prove either man committed a crime. Now, does the innocence of man #1 mean that man #2 didnt commit the crime? The second problem with the logic is that the author makes a faulty assertion that because the penguine is named "the god eating penguin" that means the penguine is actually cappable of actually devouring God. Thats not how names work. You cannot prove an attribute based off of a name alone. Nor is there any definition actually used to support this claim as the author states. And here is the problem with their entire premise, the events of the new testemant are supported by eye witness testimony that has been thoughoughly examined for 2000 years. The existence of this penguin is supported by nothing at all. Even the original poster never so much as claimed to have seen him. Essentially, the whole argument is filled with blatent logical fallacy.

[@jacobhargiss9909]

@@SenorCinema "its called satire". No, it isnt. See, satire would be imitating something in a mocking manner, unless he was trying to movk the arguments atheists make, this isnt actually satire, its just someone who tried to act smart without thinking.

[@a_Catholic_Ant]

MORE!

[@christinemcguiness9356]

Great video Trent. Thank you and God bless🙏

[@Jmjemmanual]

Trent you are a blessing for us. Thanks to God ❤❤🙏❤️❤️

[@FrJohnBrownSJ]

dank

[@guilhermematos6582]

Apart from depicting "the big bang theory" as an awful show, I agree with virtualy everything you've said. Great video, keep up the good content, may God be with you always.

[@ericdanielski4802]

Danke für deine Best-ofs, wenn schon Marah aktuell keine Best-ofs schneiden kann.

[@SergeantSkeptic686]

Bitte

[@hollyd6277]

Yay! I love refuting stupid atheist memes! You should make this a recurring series.

[@Saintpaul752]

Atheist trying to pretend like soviet russia never existed

[@MemeLordCrusader]

Why ? My country got fucked HARD by the soviets

[@Saintpaul752]

uhhhhhhh I don't really understand what you just said @@MemeLordCrusader

[@MemeLordCrusader]

@@Saintpaul752 Sorry i wasn't clear. I'm an Atheist and I HATE the soviet union. Because I'm Lithuanian and they tried erasing our language and traditions (most of which are pagan ironically).

[@PercydeRoloFangirl]

Or the reign of terror in the French Revolution

[@letstrytouserealscienceoka3564]

All top-down origin scenarios (gods or the like first) necessarily include the infinite regression issue, something that cannot be defined away. If you reject the possibility of infinite regressions in objective reality then you also necessarily reject all top-down origin scenarios. If you accept the possibility of infinite regressions in objective reality then you also necessarily accept that no deity can sit at the origin because infinite regressions have no origin. Top-down origin scenarios just don't work. They are illogical, irrational, or both. Bottom-up origin scenarios (quantum fields or something similar first) can work because quantum theory, supported by innumerable objective empirical experiments, shows that there are hard limits to how small and simple things can be. All of our available objective empirical evidence points exclusively and unambiguously to an objective reality that is built from the bottom up, from the quantum fields and nothing more.

[@chrisvandermerwe7111]

These are pretty funny.

[@IridiumAxle]

Trent time 😏

[@truthovertea]

Ahhh I like this, but it’s sad we still hear these memes that show that secularism is not rooted in intellectualism but rebellious teenage like thinking

[@mr.iankp.5734]

Secularism reduced "reason" to a worthless slogan.

[@truthovertea]

@@mr.iankp.5734 🤣

[@mcfarvo]

5:50 lol tell me you don't understand the ontological argument without telling me you don't understand the ontological argument

[@marvalice3455]

Who allowed eric the penguin to recieve communion?

[@NontraditionalCatholic]

Meme #1 is kinda right though! Catholic and Atheists alike can make fun of such a literalist reading of scripture - one that would be so literal that there would be days without the sun! Meme #8 really bothers me, even as a non-Theist myself. It annoys me when someone says that there are "no arguments" for either theism or atheism. If it were so simple, I don't think we'd all still be debating it haha!

[@InitialPC]

Well, only 7% of the world is atheist, most of them are in China where religion is illegal. I think it is pretty simple.

[@truncatecar3429]

It's a real shame that darkmatter2525's artistic style rubbed off on the larger atheist community. It's so embarrassingly awful.

[@newglof9558]

People with no sense of the good use art that is not good. More at 11

[@maxgirouxpro]

I feel like a lot of these people haven't read any recent history regarding missionary saints,

[@iqgustavo]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 *📖 Analysis of Atheist Memes* - Examining common atheist memes. - St. Augustine's interpretation of Genesis as thematic, not literal. - Rebutting the idea of the "Dark Ages" and the role of the Church in preserving knowledge. 01:11 *💭 Critique of Atheist Assumptions* - Highlighting historical examples of atheist regimes' treatment of religious individuals. - Contrasting projections of global religious demographics with atheist assumptions. - Challenging atheist memes that utilize the argument from geography. 02:47 *🛤️ Defining God and Critiquing Atheist Meme Logic* - Defining the concept of God as the infinite Act of being itself. - Refuting atheist memes that fail to accurately define God. - Reconciling biblical descriptions of God with philosophical reasoning. 05:47 *🎯 Addressing Logical Fallacies in Atheist Memes* - Addressing logical fallacies in atheist memes regarding the existence of God. - Clarifying the concept of God's existence in relation to hypothetical scenarios. - Applying philosophical principles to debunk flawed atheist arguments. 06:55 *🏛️ Reframing Atheist Perspectives on Religion* - Reframing atheist perspectives on religion through historical examples. - Highlighting the contributions of religious institutions to societal welfare. - Addressing misconceptions about religion and altruism. 08:02 *📚 Evaluation of Philosophical Arguments* - Contrasting the quantity of literature on atheism versus theism. - Acknowledging the academic depth of philosophical debates on theism. - Disputing claims about the prevalence of arguments for mythical creatures. 09:00 *💻 Debunking Stereotypes and Misconceptions* - Debunking stereotypes about the contributions of atheists to science. - Providing counterexamples of religious individuals' contributions to science. - Challenging misconceptions about the compatibility of religion and scientific progress. 09:41 *🤦‍♂️ Addressing Denial of Jesus' Existence* - Critiquing memes that deny the historical existence of Jesus. - Citing scholarly consensus on the existence of Jesus. - Highlighting the fringe nature of denying Jesus' existence in modern scholarship.

[@haydencarn8737]

"the role of the Church in preserving knowledge."... You people have never read a book other than the bible, huh... The church burned books, documents, destroyed knowledge on MASS. Hunted doctors, healers and scientists. There is not a SINGLE organization in this history of mankind that has been more damaging to knowledge and development than the church.

[@mr.iankp.5734]

@@haydencarn8737 Then explain their preservation of works from the likes of Plato and Aristotle. If they were destroying knowledge as you say, the church wouldn't be utilizing and studying the works of what were essentially pagan philosophers. Then there's the fact it was the Catholic Church that established the first universities where these things where studied, and produced people that paved the way for science to even exist as it is now. Edit: Even if you make the claim that it was "stolen" (Plato's Academy, for example), it would be counter-intuitive for the church to emulate such a means for the purpose of education. This doesn't even touch on the countless church libraries that regarded the works they held (including pagan texts) as treasures and protected them as such. Even if it wasn't open to public or wide academic use at the time, that was because the copies they had were old/rare and were only available by either direct access or paying to have someone perform the ardius task of copying the text by hand (among the other tasks they were writing/studying). Kinda seems counter-intuitive to the "knowledge-suppressing" aspect of the church.

[@Cklert]

@@haydencarn8737 "Hunted doctors, healers and scientists." There's not a single documentation of the Church ever killing let alone hunting "scientists or doctors" purely on the basis that they're scientist and doctors.

[@haydencarn8737]

@@Cklert ...They called them witches, satanists and nonsense of the sort. Of course the church did not say "We gonna hunt some docs and scientists" they called everyone who did science or healing witches and such things. And actually, that is well documented, there are literally museums in which you can read and learn about these matters. For example, the church also at times tortured women that were healers until they "Admitted" that they were witches, then they were burned. Honestly, it's disgusting how many people from the church try to cover the churches past up with the usual lies and lazy deception. Disgraceful. If Jesus were alive to see all this happen, he would be horrified by the abomination that was created in his name and the structure of lies that was built on his dead body.

[@IIIUMlNATI]

The show me evidence people are funny. They always want proof, but without anything in reality serving as evidentiary. Thats like asking to prove time exists without referring to entropy. Or proving a crime happened without referential information. Or proving space exists without using occupants. Or proving numbers exist without using a medium. It is an axiomatic principle. It fundamentally cannot be proven of itself, by its very nature. Yet like those things it IS (no matter the scale or layering). and must be, suprarationally, for anything to BE, as opposed to NOTHING -being.

[@fatstrategist]

I also find it weird how some want empirical evidence of a metaphysical Being.

[@Boundless_Border]

​@fatstrategist .... you know, this metaphysical being supposedly constantly interacts with reality. You'd think it'll leave behind evidence of its existence. Assuming, of course, it wasn't hiding its existence. And if it is hiding its existence, then we don't have evidence for it existing. So I guess we should first establish if there's evidence of this supposed being.

[@Boundless_Border]

I'm fine with you using reality to demonstrate your god does exist. Now are you going to actually tell me what the evidence is and how it points to your god or are you going to vaguely point at the trees and say that it is so beautiful that your god must exist? The latter is a really unconvincing argument and is definitely not sufficient evidence for the proposition.

[@JesusIsKing_AlphaandOmega]

@@Boundless_Borderyou just did literally exactly what he was talking about my guy

[@Boundless_Border]

@@JesusIsKing_AlphaandOmega Which guy? I made two responses in this thread.

[@EpoRose1]

9:42 To be fair, probably a lot of people who think Jesus didn’t exist probably also don’t know the history of Christian scientists.

[@Joe-gi3nj]

The irony. I started watching the show, The Big Bang Theory. I find it ironic because Sheldon is a vocal atheist and condemns religious thinking as essentially delusion. Yet, the show promulgates the Big Bang Theory as a marvel of modern secular science, going so far as to name the show after it and the theme music. The irony? The Big Bang Theory was devised by a Catholic Priest lol

[@newglof9558]

​@@Joe-gi3nj there's an episode of Young Sheldon where Sheldon is eating dinner with his family. His mother asks him "Sheldon, would you like some water?" Sheldon responds: "why yes, Mother, I would quite like some dihydrogen monoxide" His father then beats him

[@Cklert]

@@Joe-gi3nj Ironically I don't think the show ever actually mentions the Big Bang Theory outside of its theme.

[@harrisonphillips8365]

Trent, you should make a video responding to the video “error of the Catholics” the guy who made it keeps showing off how he has “near 0 rebuttals” so It would be nice if you humbled him.

[@ogloc6308]

great video brother. Glory to God alone

[@newglof9558]

8:39 Aron Ra's "there is no God" T-shirt disagrees with this guy. lol

[@jakubstuff]

9:28 nicolas tesla also contributed to string theory! (Serbian orthodox)

[@SolaAndTotaScriptura]

I am reformed, and I tune in to Trent and find him very inciteful.

[@SolaAndTotaScriptura]

@UCIJ_KIzIidFxsuWTILwCy9w Pretty cool to get a comment from ya. 1. Your insights into church history. I am thinking of your points about the real prescense of Christ in the Eucharist, for example, from very early on in the patristic era, as conceded by protestant scholars. 2. I have benefitted from your abortion debates, such as with Destiny or those calling in to Catholic Answers. I think you push people to the logical conclusions of their positions and expose their prejudices and cognitive dissonances against the pre-born. 3. Your recent clip regarding atheist memes was insightful. The true God is not finite as in the case of greek mythological deities, thus what atheists mean in reference to the lack of belief in all other gods proves to be disanalogous to what the Church asserts about God. 4. Your defenses of the ressurrection of Christ. I am thinking of the Dilahunty debate. His epistemology will not allow for the belief thereof based on testimony alone. 5. Your debates with Gavin Ortlund and Dr. White on Sola Scriptura/ purgatory have added to my understanding of Rome's apologetic. 6. I think you have a good command logic and philosophy. I like formal deductive syllogisms and I caught your modus tollens in your first argument in the most recent Sola Scriptura debate with Dr. White. 7. You're a class act.

[@herlocksholmes9369]

@@SolaAndTotaScripturaHello there! I think you might have replied to a comment by a fake Trent Horn profile. It sometimes happens with videos like this that somebody creates a profile with the same name and picture as the channel that uploaded the video. Usually they want people to click on a link to some sort of scam website. But luckily, it seems like those replies have been removed now. Take care, brother!

[@SolaAndTotaScriptura]

@@herlocksholmes9369 Wow, thank you for mentioning this. Blessings.

[@herlocksholmes9369]

@@SolaAndTotaScripturaNo problem :)

[@HodgePodgeVids1]

Cringe Atheist memes from late 2000s and early 2010s

[@NGAOPC]

Good vid but “Survival of the fittest” in evolution (and not popular cultural parlance), means survival of the trait that best fits an environment and changes therein, and not social indifference to “the weak”. Empathy and care for one’s species is a well-evidenced positive “fit” trait for our species.

[@robertdolcetti450]

Social Darwinism, the view that survival of the fittest ought to be the rule of society, is a well documented philosophy. It’s true that empathy is well documented as a trait associated with fitness, but empathy to whom is an open question there. From a purely naturalistic standpoint, only empathy towards one’s tribe or social group seems particularly useful for survival. It obviously allows for greater cohesion which is important for humanity as we are political and social animals who can typically accomplish more while co-operating. Empathy towards tribes and social groups whose influence is opposed to you, however, is not useful evolutionarily. Resources are finite and humans are also selfish and individualistic to a large extent. We have our own philosophies and needs and those things inevitably come into conflict within and without our immediate tribal groups, due to this natural scarcity and intellectual diversity. Thus, being able to stifle empathy towards outside groups and do what you like to them in conflict is also an easy thing for mankind to do and justify to itself. That’s why it is so common throughout history. The notion of universal fraternity in contradiction to these darker tendencies is the product of Judeo-Christian philosophy, not evolutionary processes drawn out by survival of the fittest. This is actually demonstrated precisely by Social Darwinism. SD doesn’t posit that empathy is always bad. It posits, simply speaking, that utilizing societal resources to prop up the lives of people who posses little to no qualities that benefit their communities, from a survival standpoint, is essentially irrational. Empathy, in the eyes of SD, is meant to be spent on those who posses the potential to benefit you or society and that those who prove themselves unable to survive with some degree of independence lack this potential. Thus, following the normal course of evolution, they should be allowed to perish and society should reserve its compassion for others. This, generally speaking, is perfectly rational from an evolutionary standpoint. The only meaningful intellectual competition it gets is the Judeo-Christian worldview, which I am happy to say I subscribe to. While Trent’s commentary might be a bit heavy handed, I believe that this idea is what he was commenting on.

[@NMemone]

​@@robertdolcetti450Well summarized! Thank you.

[@NGAOPC]

@@robertdolcetti450 true! Also true that he didn’t say “social Darwinism”. That may be his intent, but was not his language.

[@greenbird679]

I liked this comment from Trent. "Atheists who reject the historical existence of Jesus are like Christians who think the Earth is flat they are The Fringe minority that modern scholarship does not take seriously".

[@daltonburroughs3811]

I believe in a younger earth and the day meme can also be countered this way: The word day I am pretty sure usually means a literal day in Genesis and even if it didn't always mean a literal day, the word day combined with the phrase "there was evening then morning, the next day" definitely suggests literal days. Not only that but the Bible tells us God made the birds before the land animals, and that just goes counter to evolution. The argument that "the sun and moon were created on the 3rd day so the word day can't mean an actual day" is very weak. There are a couple of easier options than reading millions of years into the Bible: 1) God knew how long He was going to make a day. So He just did all the work within those time periods to begin with. 2) God could have come up with the word day after making the sun and moon and before relaying Genesis to Moses. God could have decided to make the rotation of the earth and thus the days line up with the time he had already spent on the first 2 days of creation. This is like someone doing some work over consecutive time intervals that happen to be of the same length. Then later, they give that time period a name and tell others how long it took after the fact using the new time period in the retelling of the story. In either case, it seems God was not pressed on time. He finished before evening and then starts the next morning, so He was not working around the clock. God can create infinitely more than we can imagine and simultaneously because He is all powerful.

[@mcfarvo]

God bless you, Trent, and all glory to Christ

[@jakegreen5081]

Says these memes are silly. Believes a serpent talked to a human and is not silly. Comical. LOL.

[@orthodox528]

6:53 what about Saint Pio? He built a hospital?

[@cheese-bg1xq]

0:59 What's ironic about this is that it's not only Christian societies which had horrific things happening in them. Anyone who believes this meme doesn't know basic history or even _modern day geography._ Christian (and atheist-but-built-on-Christianity) societies are the softest in the world. That's where we get our sheer entitlement from. Also, the "Dark Ages" are unfairly portrayed. It was actually an era where science, maths and general knowledge sped up in knowledge. The oldest universities became a thing during the Dark Ages. It wasn't any worse than the times before it. Anyone who knows anything about ancient history in particular would know that. 1:37 The atheists aren't even the majority yet, and, _well..._

[@noneofyourbusiness7055]

Them's some weaksauce excuses mah dude. Maybe try to look past that mountain of unfounded presuppositions in front of your bonce at some point, it could allow you to be less stubbornly wrong. TMM's recent video explains a bunch of those wrongs, if anyone here cares to learn.

[@WhiteScorpio2]

You don't believe in other gods because they are finite beings? So finite beings don't exist?

[@Christisthetruce]

They are not the true and living God

[@Christisthetruce]

They are just human/myths ppl invented

[@WhiteScorpio2]

@@Christisthetruce You already know the response to your comments, don't you? I don't know why you bothered typing them.

[@Christisthetruce]

@@WhiteScorpio2 no pls answer them

[@WhiteScorpio2]

@@Christisthetruce Everone thinks their god (or group of gods) is "true and living", and all have exacty zero evidence to present for their claims.

[@eidiazcas]

you attacked the picture used, not the subject of the meme in the dark-ages one

[@wiederganger1959]

He didn't quite rebut the "dark ages" meme, though: Ok so the picture shown in this case happened to be of a pre-Dark Ages saint, but that does not change the historical fact that this sort of barbarity actually was relatively widespread throughout the Dark Ages themselves. Also, the historical fact that it was Christian monasteries preserving cultural and scientific records throughout the Dark Ages, does not change the also historical fact that during the Dark Ages, most of Europe was actually a Christian authoritarian society. In essence, the meme is poorly constructed, but accurate.

[@jessiemeisenheimer8675]

The Dark Ages are refereed to as such because of the lack of proper historical records. The "barbarity" of the time was no more extreme than in the era that came before. No historian uses the term to describe western catholic Europe as a backwards society. The Christian Eastern Roman Empire was a superpower of the time. The Dark Ages were also not the Medieval era as a whole (which ended in 1492). The high and late Middle Ages saw many developments in art, poetry, architecture, science, etc. You are wrong. Do more research.

[@DrumWild]

9:05 Dude, you're actually employing Argumentum Ad Populum. This is a fallacious argument. Either you're not smart and believe it's a fine argument, or you KNOW it's a bad argument and are lying to fleece your flock. Either way, not cool. Grown adults should know better.

[@alexanderkaminski]

Civilizations which contributed the most to the grow of science were: - Christian Europe - Muslim Arabia - Buddhist China - Hindu India No atheist civilization, technically Soviet Union was first ever atheist country.

[@SenorCinema]

So what? That doesn’t mean anything.

[@CaptainFantastic222]

Sovient Union created a society of where government was worshiped almost as a god.

[@alexanderkaminski]

@@CaptainFantastic222 Yes and that happens now in DPRK

[@alexanderkaminski]

@@SenorCinema It means very much. Especially when antitheists are proud that religion makes people dumb and they contributed to science the most.

[@CaptainFantastic222]

@@alexanderkaminski exactly. That’s a perfect modern day example

[@WhiteScorpio2]

So, when the Bible tells something contrary to your personal beliefs, then the Bible is wrong? An interesting approach, for sure.

[@smokert5555]

I can't watch the whole thing when you screw up on the first one. Aquinas gave a refutation, but it's a bad refutation. Genesis is written as if it were literal. Nowhere does it allude to being figurative in any way. It's supposed to display the power of god that he can do all those things. Only god could do the things as written. The hoops apologists jump through to make their ideas "acceptable".

[@skepticsinister]

See TMM (The Messianic Manic) respond to this video, it is outstanding work by TMM that you can’t miss, puts this video in correct perspective, must see.

[@duncanbryson1167]

An allegedly omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and all other attributes to infinity deity should have been eminently capable of writing its user manual without need for interpretation. It could also have proven its existence to everyone. It hasn't done so to MY satisfaction.

[@zakymalik6920]

Spoon Fed baby " Are they waiting for the very angels to come to them, or your Lord Himself, or maybe some of His signs? But on the Day some of your Lord’s signs come, no soul will profit from faith if it had none before, or has not already earned some good through its faith. Say, ‘Wait if you wish: we too are waiting.’ " - Qur'an 6:158

[@ImTiredOfThisChurch]

Good morning

[@holyguacamole4058]

if God knows everything, then He knows how He's going to act and react before He actually does. this means God cannot choose what to do, and as a consequence God has no free will. this is logically flawless, imho, and unless God is exempt from logic (which would make it irrefutable to state God is cruel even if God is all goodness) this argument holds still.

[@Cklert]

Except God exists outside of time itself. Everything that God is going to do, simply just is. It's actualized all at once. Which is why we say that God is pure Actualization with an upper-case A. God doesn't react or know what he is going to do because that would actually require him to be bound by conditions. So instead he just does. But even if I were to grant your argument. I don't see it being valid. If I know what I am going to do. Do I somehow have less free-will? If I make plans do I have less free will? This argument really doesn't make much sense.

[@holyguacamole4058]

@@Cklert can you define "time", so that we can understand what "God exists outside of time" means? also, if God was pure Actuality, then Potentialities must have existed independently of God (as God has no Potentiality per your definition). instead of creating ex nihilo, God would only make transformations (Motion) happen, and the possibilities would be ultimately dictated by those contained in the Potentialities, not by God. arguments are not defeated by saying "it makes no sense" because even a 3-year old kid can say that and really mean it. demonstrate you are better than an infant and prove me wrong. you have only one reply left to point out any mistake of my argumentation, because I have no intention of playing argumentative ping-pong for much longer.

[@almcdermid9669]

One thing is certain, if a theist is criticizing atheism, that theist will also be misrepresenting it.

[@baonemogomotsi7138]

Saying god is the "infinite being" is factually wrong. A god is any supernatural being worshipped by people. Or as Webster would put it, "the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness worshipped (as in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism)." Horrible definition, but you get the point.