We Uncovered a Shocking Right-Wing Plot to Eradicate Public Schools

[@tayzonday]

We need to end tax exemption for “religious” institutions. Too much of that tax exemption subsidizes an anti-union, anti-democratic, anti-science domestic insurrection. I’m devoutly Christian and nothing divinely uplifted my life more than the blessing of two public employee union parents. That economic possibility did the work of Jesus! 🙏

[@psyborg4706]

Based Zonday

[@blstcblender190]

based zonday as usual

[@ShardDesu]

We should sue for the attempt to impose their religious beliefs on us. My religion says that's a no-no.

[@Window4503]

⁠​⁠@@ShardDesuThat’s self-contradictory for several reasons: 1. You’re imposing your religion’s values onto others, thereby violating your own rule. 2. Religions such as Christianity have evangelism as one of their core tenets. In fact, evangelism is the subject of over half the New Testament and it’s Jesus’ last command to believers before he ascends into heaven: “Go and make disciples of all nations.” This doesn’t mean forcing others to believe (which isn’t possible anyway), but rather going out and presenting the gospel to people and leaving it up to them to reject or receive it. To tell Christians to disobey Christ opposes the Christian faith entirely and would rightly be considered anti-Christian.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

​@@Window4503 your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose

[@kikidee9623]

They want to make schooling like American healthcare, please god no.

[@cfltheman]

Making it like higher education probably will do a good job of destroying it.

[@kimberlywrobel]

100 percent this. They want to privatize to control. They are trying to force their beliefs via or judicial system. And they are doing it quietly 🤫. Start making noise people. ❤

[@kimberlywrobel]

They are trying to bend laws to fit their beliefs. Woke up people 😂❤

[@oreotookie]

My husband has a job that is desirable across the globe. If the right has their way, Europe and Canada will start looking even better. If the right has their way, there will be a brain drain. Of this, I have no doubt.

[@EmperorNefarious1]

It will be more like our University system I would think, where schools spend half there money attracting students with expensive sports programs that rely on the 'free' labor of athletes and students. Than pass that cost on parents, imagine student loan debt before the kid is even 18.

[@samanthanewport6709]

If they want government money then they should pay taxes. You can't have it both ways

[@Cryo_Gen]

so? they still need to pay taxes as an organization @@thinkharder9332

[@LostHalfway]

@@thinkharder9332In that case why are individuals without children paying taxes that go towards schools? You don’t normally get to pick and choose at such a low level what your taxes go towards. Literally the last thing we need is less money towards public schools.

[@doncherf2610]

Agreed. They should pay taxes. However, they are private education and should not get any government funding. Government funding is not to be used to indoctrinate children to one religion. That is the whole concept of private religious schools.

[@LostHalfway]

​ @thinkharder9332 But these high performers you are referring to are still benefiting from the public school system because they also benefit from the next generation even if they don't send their own children to public school. As you said, they still benefit from the next generation. I'm not advocating for throwing more money at the problem, but in this case we're talking about taking money away from the public school system. The point here is to try to burn down the current system, not somehow improve it by taking money away. There are a lot of problems in public schools. I have a family member who is a teacher in a public school and she cares very much about doing the best for her students. The school district on the other hand is wasting money on things like 'refreshing curriculum' (aka buying new books that are just the same book with the chapters rearranged). From my experience, funding cuts never actually cause the right things to be cut.

[@doncherf2610]

​@@thinkharder9332That's a decision they have made. They don't get to choose where their tax money is going to. As a matter of fact, they can choose to believe that their money is going toward infrastructure or environment or what-have-you. Their money is not going specifically to government-sponsored education. Their kids can get a public education while going to Sunday school for their religious education. Religious schools should not get public funds whether or not parents are paying taxes. Those taxes are used for a lot more than just education, and the government should not have to separate out all the different possibilities for all the different citizens in the US. I'm certain that atheists don't want their taxes to be used in religious education which seek to indoctrinate.

[@PaulGuy]

"Freedom" to these people means "freedom to deny it to others".

[@sanniepstein4835]

Originally the government was supposed to look after defense, international trade, and basic law, and let the people create culture and commerce. That was the founding vision of a free country. But freedom to leftists means free money for me, taken from you at gunpoint. We should have the right to deny what is ours to people who hate us. You agree with that, when you're the one being robbed.

[@lorimurguia880]

No it means having a Moral Society. The Left is wacko

[@davelanciani-dimaensionx]

There's a big difference between "Freedom of Choice" and "Freedom From Choice." When your choices are made for you, that is NOT freedom. That is a dictatorship.

[@Shria9]

It goes further. Imagine a child from an underfunded school system getting into college? Succeeding in college? It's a continuing attempt to segregate access to higher education by class.

[@ft1725]

They want to segregate by class so they can ultimately segregate by race and religion. Basically to go back to a pre Brown vs Board of Education world. Their parents and grandparents set this plan up for them to follow and execute once they saw rulings in the 50s through to 70s were not solely benefiting them.

[@valerietaylor9615]

And to further impoverish the 99%.

[@fmcg5364]

You are right, I did not think about that, even if they had the grades they did not attend the correct school

[@SheSoIndigo]

That’s exactly what I was thinking would happen

[@AlyssaMarie-vr8cc]

I mean at this point they would still be jobless and in massive amounts of student loan debt.

[@mystery79]

If school vouchers existe, private schools will cherry pick who they accept. So if your child needs special education or has an IEP they aren’t getting into those schools, and are forced to go to a now less funded public school.

[@toulousegoose1150]

More often, those private schools will take that student for just a few months, kick them out after refusing to honor their IEP, and then the family is *really* stuck due to the funding already being spent. It happens a lot in charter schools in my home state...organized grift.

[@johnbash-on-ger]

@@toulousegoose1150 How awful.

[@SgtJoeSmith]

if your child needs special education then Harvard might not be the best choice to begin with. Private schools of all levels are for more advanced students. Not the disabled. You may want to consider a montessory school if you have a special needs child. those kids tend to do better there than public schools.

[@edarcuri182]

Actually, most voucher proposals include enhanced vouchers for special needs and prohibit "cherry picking." The cherry picking argument has been made for years. That is exactly what happens when most of us can only choose public schools. Who goes to the expensive prep schools? The children of rich people. Opposing choice, as many do, just because they hate religion or hate the religion of others, is a poor argument. Many of the choices would not be religious in any event.

[@davidstorrs]

​@@edarcuri182 First off, "opposing choice" is political terminology and I reject your dishonest framing. "Opposing choice" is what conservatives do when they won't allow women to get abortions even for non-viable fetuses. Liberals and progressives oppose taxpayer money being spent on private and religious schools because we want a good public education system that works for everyone, and the first step in that process is to not let our tax dollars get drained away funding the schools of the rich and evangelical.

[@nil981]

At this point I think that separation of church and state legally wasn't enough. We need to tax religious institutions and actually start ruthlessly prosecuting their leaders for their crimes against country and children.

[@rotomfan63]

STATE ATHEISM TIME, BEEN SAYING IT FOR A DECADE PLUS

[@godlaster3182]

100%

[@Jared-lj2vb]

Yes why not give the fanatics an actual justification. Surely that would stop the fascist sociopaths 😐

[@grantcivyt]

Wasn't enough for what? We don't have a state religion. Religiosity is at an all-time low if I'm not mistaken. I'd be willing to discuss eliminating tax-advantaged nonprofits as part of a revamping of the tax system.

[@zxcytdfxy256]

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[@agatealbekeite]

as a european, it's mind boggling to imagine someone thinking privatization of the education system is actually a sane idea. just take a look how other privatized sectors (that aren't private in most countries) in the states have turned out - healthcare, incarceration, etc. I struggle to understand how such an outwardly mighty and virtuous country can be so irreparably broken.

[@luciannebeans6679]

The power of religious fundamentalism. Left the states nearly ten years ago, no regrets.

[@kingmarx810]

It's about profit as well. It's the primary driver of why so much public sectors are slowly being privatized. Medicare, Medicaid, prisons, schools, infrastructure and utilities. just to name a few, are all slowly being taken over by for-profit interests. It's taking the democratic oversight of those sectors and putting them in the hands of a few.

[@Vid_Master]

​@@thinkharder9332In my opinion its because of funding and networking. The public education system is for poor people, and private school is for rich people. This separates the socioeconomic classes so that poor kids have a slim chance of escaping poverty. because they are never exposed to intelligent discussion, business connections, etc. Private schools dont have 3 or 4 disruptive students per 30 student class (with only 1 stressed out teacher) One thing to consider - rich zip codes with good funding perform similarly to private schools. Also there are agendas in the learning material in public schools. They cant as easily indoctrinate kids at private school, and the private schools give each student way more attention and resources to learn real, helpful life and career knowledge.

[@alexmarvin3093]

as an American who's dad would tell him, all while growing up, that he's lucky that he was born as an American who is white and a man I will tell you that here a plurality of the white old men have been convinced, through the generations, that american exceptionalism is real and that white men built everything good in this country and everything that everyone holds dear is due to the white man. seriously that's the mentality of millions of white men here. it's fucking stupid

[@mtn1793]

The American flaw is Greed. From conquistadors forward. Everything was virtually “free” for the taking. Just push those pesky morals under a rug or subvert them into a system of weekly forgiveness. It’s a weird combination of a propaganda state and research laboratory.

[@serephita]

The wife of Senator Hawley (R-MO) is an attorney for Alliance Defending Freedom - which is something a lot of people seem to overlook.

[@slk1451]

I did not know that. Wado for sharing.

[@shaykespeeer7040]

Religions and religious people accusing anyone else of indoctrinating children is effing hypocritical. Teaching children about ALL religions and non-religions = education. Teaching children about only one religion and threatening Hell if they don't kneel to that one religion = indoctrination.

[@RobinHerzig]

Bingo!

[@ZZ-qy5mv]

Say it louder for the people in the back!

[@BreakingGaia]

This is right! And yell it at those fuckers every time they bring up indoctrination.

[@dennykeaton9701]

Not really

[@gta4everrr]

@@dennykeaton9701 in·doc·tri·na·tion /inˌdäktrəˈnāSH(ə)n/ noun the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.

[@GrayNotGrey_]

This is why I've always been against normalizing stuff like "One nation under god" in the pledge-- What happened to freedom of religion and freedom from religion?

[@jingbot1071]

@@dedetudor. But enough about your bizarre fantasies. How about an actual argument? Who am I kidding? You're not interested in discussion.

[@the-chipette]

Fun fact: the incorporation of that stanza into the PoA + “In God We Trust” insignia in U.S. dollar/minted currency were all hyper-nationalist propaganda borne by WWII. (Thank god I had a PUBLIC middle school teacher and 2 years of U. S. History educate me on this.)

[@alexmarvin3093]

I think I took issue with it briefly while in middle school and then I just stopped saying the pledge because well.. like I looked up the definition of pledge and saw that it meant that I was orally announcing my allegiance/fealty to god/America. Both have never created a hospitable environment for me and many more to live, thrive, and prosper. Both are empty promises and the zealotry surrounding both of these enormous collections of nationalist & faith-based institutions is also disheartening.

​@@alexmarvin3093 I am right there with you.

[@ohiasdxfcghbljokasdjhnfvaw4ehr]

that shit needs to go yesterday.

[@miketacos9034]

It’s not just about religion, it’s mostly about privatizing education to further entrench poverty and inequality.

[@EricDurrant-k5z]

Bingo! A nation of ignorant peasants are much easier to manipulate and control.

[@Theomite]

These people are Imperialists underneath everything else they are. Remember: the difference between Right and Left isn't about More/Less Government, it's about hierarchical vs. egalitarian systems. And ADF and their ilk represent sub-cultures and belief systems that hold hierarchy (along age, gender, race, religion, etc.) as the skeleton for society. Those hierarchies also allow them to gain at the expense of others, which reinforces their belief in the system's validity and importance.

[@arcanineryu]

Christianity in America has always primarily been an astroturf for letting entitled narcissists hold onto power they didn't earn. From it being the primary justification for the monarchy and nobility, to getting co-opted by the non nobility wealthy to justify slavery and colonialism. Where it has stayed ever since. Trying to convert the populace into willing slaves at the mercy of a new form of a wealth based nobility. Like Christianity cased the massive wealth inequalities we see now in America, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.

[@jasonparker6138]

@@Theomite Well said! 👍

[@kentallard8852]

Religion. Money to be made from privatization. Class stratification. Myopic obsession about government. And some of the people behind this are old enough to still be angry about School Integration and the Civil Rights Act. It's a rich tapestry of rightwing greivances.

[@Peace_And_Love42]

"I think we have to take our shot now" tells me they see the same thing I do. They've managed a narrow window through stretching the rules, and if we can defeat this push, they'll have to start all over. Keep voting (work in the system), keep protesting (build community outside the system). We can win.

[@brambletalon230]

Honestly I'm getting to a point where out of the system solutions are more appealing cause fuck these guys. They are dying and they know it and they don't want to fade into that quiet good night. Religion is on the way out. At least as we know it now.

[@PURENT]

I'm Asian American, in my culture education is highly valued is deemed to be the best way to become successful. Public schooling provides that opportunity, and it can cost little to nothing to a poor household. Now we all know it isn't the best it can be, but that isn't a reason to eliminate it, that's a reason to make it better. I can thank the public education system and the Federal Student Aid program for the success I live in today, if I had neither I'd be in a far worse economic situation. Public education should be viewed by everyone in this country in the same way Asian Americans do. You hear all this propaganda coming from right wing spaces about what the educational system is doing, how it's useless, teaches nothing, sets kids up to become failures, "grooms" kids, etc. Despite all of these nonsensical claims, the Asian American demographic's success has not declined. If the public education system was so bad, why does the Asian American demographic not economically falter? Asian American children go to the same public schools, they attend post secondary education, and they still end up succeeding in defiance of the right wing propaganda.

[@the-chipette]

Upbringing/discipline to revere educational rigor is one factor, yet most Asian American families live in high income/de facto “segregated” neighborhoods where the public schools are oftentimes better equipped and funded than private institutions. These public schools are typically magnet program-structured, have less diversity or bussed-in students (especially outside of the Bay Area), and thus able to offer smaller class sizes, gifted/streamed classes, 100s of AP/IB courses and college partnerships, vocational training and have modern gymnasiums/sports training facilities, top music programs, auditoriums, science labs, etc. And with such infrastructure, K-12 schools in HICs (high-income communities) gradually become multi-year Blue Ribbon award schools. “Dream Hoarders” is a book that explores this concept extremely well. You may compare two Maryland schools, Bethesda Chevy-Chase High School (high SES/HIC) vs. Bladensburg High School (low SES/LIC). Despite being in the same state, Bladensburg is not a Blue Ribbon school and has lower graduation rates while BCC is a common feeder to Ivy League schools and UMD. Why? One is in Montgomery County (top 20% wealthiest counties in the USA) while the other is in Prince George’s County (lower percentile/poorest counties in the USA). Ultimately, Black American, Hispanic/Latine, and Native American students of low SES don’t put in less effort than high SES/advanced degree minority groups like East/South Asian Americans, Iranians, or Nigerians; the former communities are more likely to suffer from living in a community where lower property tax collections and budget deficits/mismanaged funding allocation occur and oppress at the local (county) level due to historical/systemic segregation that, by persistent legacy, still plagues these communities today.

[@AdelTheForsaken]

Don't forget Betsy DeVos ran through our education Department! She tried to gut it for everything she could get!

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

@@the-chipette Perhaps one factor is that Asian/Americans have attained 'Almost White' social status, like the Irish did a long time ago.

[@man.horror]

@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx I do not agree with this. As a second generation Korean immigrant, Asian racism is still rampant, where perhaps only in online circles do people think like this. In person, while being in a red state especially, there have been occurrences of white men telling me I should "Go back to your country" which for me, had luckily been the worse of it, but its said despite the fact I was born here, being a second gen, and at some point in their bloodline, they were immigrants too since they're not full native Americans, if having any native blood at all. But here's the real issue. Not all Asians are "light" like I, a Korean, am. You have the south east Asians, Muslim Asians, and such who are brown. Many of them are killed simply because they are associated with being Muslim, even if they had been born in America and have ever only known America living wise. Racism fueled murder does not take such into account. However, people seem to forget or not consider these people "Asian" because they don't look either Korean, Japanese, or Chinese. They still are.

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

@@man.horror You could well be right. Who am I (a white English person in Britain) to say you are wrong?

[@jjn6914]

I knew it. Every cornerstone of a civilized country is being commoditized and forced as a free market product. And this is all done by design. Teacher shortages, school budget cuts, fat administration salaries, ineffective testing policies, and more are ALL by design to kill public education. This is also happening to our jobs, where employers post phantom vacancies, giving perception there's an abundance of jobs, but the goal is to gradually erode all jobs (both blue and white collar), so people suffer, populations decline, and the 0.1% don't have to put up with humans anymore--they'll have AI service all their life comforts.

[@user-th1pv6ks5o]

Yeah we kinda need to pull a French on them. We gotta start dusting off the guillotines. In minecraft.

[@nestout1728]

💯 I agree with you. Sam Altman CEO of OpenAI calls us "median humans" and wants AI "that you could hire as a co-worker." I feel like we are trapped in The Twilight Zone.

[@dennykeaton9701]

Welcome to the US

[@worshipthecomedygodseoeunk4010]

its also the reason that housing is becoming unaffordable, making "you will own nothing" a reality, and they wont stop even to the point where 99 percent of the population is homeless and millions of 1 ft by 1 ft smaller than a box vacant rental properties sitting at billions of dollars become ghost towns while the working class is still averaging 10 dollars an hour and inflation has skyrocketed to infinity.

[@dennykeaton9701]

@@thegodplace7887 People are definitely getting angry about the open borders

[@ninja1antelope]

If they want to live in the Bronze Age then THEY can live in the Bronze Age.

[@ohiasdxfcghbljokasdjhnfvaw4ehr]

they already literally have their own schools where they're allowed to indoctrinate the hell out of students and teach straight up fake science. so why do they need to attack everyone elses schools as well?

[@Tuxfanturnip]

this is not just about them, this is about making sure they can brainwash and control the entire next generation

[@boltstrike2787]

They don't. They want the politics of the Bronze Age where the wealthy are seen as godlike figures above the rabble of the common person while enjoying the luxuries of the modern age. We need to stand up to them to show this kind of attitude isn't tolerated anymore.

[@caseysmith544]

They do not want the Bronze age they want the Dark Age where everyone who was not X in that Kingdom was killed or enslaved similar to peasant farms but for factories.

[@TS-bj8my]

They don't want to live in the bronze age, they want YOU to live in the bronze age!

[@Superwoodputtie]

So i grew up in these circles: was homeschooled, my friends went to Patric Henry College in VA. It was when i attened a public university that my thinking started to shift. It wasnt just from the classes, but from seeing the experiences of the other students. Like i was raised no-sex-until-marriage. And felt like this was a serious think to do. Then i saw my classmates living with their girlfriends with no consequences, and while i didnt change my beliefs, the cracks started to form. Its these experiences i think the Right fears the most. Not learning theory or history, but sitting next to someone different than you. What are you gonna say to the classmate with two dads? You might feel he didnt come from a background you agree with, but you're not gonna say that. What about the girl who talks about her sexual assult and abortion? Suddenly all the crisp-clean ideas that thrive in a vaccuum have to face reality. This great equalizer is what they fear. The fact that their kids will experiences other people and change from their own reflections.

[@EyesWillRule]

It's not fear. They want supremacy. They want everyone to follow the same rules. If they aren't allowed contraceptives, nobody is allowed contraceptives. If they believe in creationism, everybody needs to believe in creationism. If they're forbidden from dancing, then nobody is allowed to dance.

[@ft1725]

@@EyesWillRuleThey’ll still use contraceptives if it was a mistake for them, but gosh no for that low income black woman who lives on the other side of town. Of course she shouldn’t get it since she’s not like them and isn’t capable of thinking on their level. It is rules for thee and not for me.

[@hs5312]

@@EyesWillRule your idiot, every poll on the topic reveals that an overwhelming majority of republicans support Contraceptives being legal. maybe actually talk people on the other side. instead of Assuming their positions based what someone stereotypes them to believe.

[@randyjax09]

What kills me is that so many people are okay with it. They’ve subsidized for-profit charter schools, gutted public school funding, and then blame poor education quality on public schools. How can people be so dense?

[@EricDurrant-k5z]

Because sadly, most people are dense.

[@WriterRachel]

Underfunded public education.

[@r.pres.4121]

Because most Americans are too self absorbed to care about these serious issues.

[@donettahuggins2635]

Dense…Distracted And/or DUMB and it’s sad to watch! 🤣😫😳

[@jeffcolar7901]

Because it’s against those people, the ubiquitous other that fuels the stupidity. It won’t be me, it’ll be them that gets hurt.

[@o0SupahMario0o]

The amount of corruption in our government makes me physically sick sometimes.

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

Nothing to do with corruption. This is the American Way and always has been.

[@LigamentDreamer]

Unfortunately, working against the interests, health, and education of the American public as a whole in favor of the few isn't political corruption, but it's definitely immoral. Start an interest group, create art, go out and vote, hell, infiltrate and/or conjure up new institutions like they do if it bothers you so much. Do all of these things, but not alone, if you really want to make an impact. You have the power to make a change, never forget that.

[@uniquenewyork3325]

We need people to put their money and time into the opposing forces or else we're gonna fall

[@ax.f-1256]

Buddy, that would mean there were times when they were not corrupt. But this is not the case. It's not called corruption when, the politicians are always corrupt crooks. The system is working exactly as designed since the US exists. Same as the healthcare system and public transport (Or better the lack of public transportation) The system is supposed to funnel money form the poor to the rich. Is this is what the good doing since 1776. So no corruption, that IS how the government is supposed to work in the US. It's no bug man, it's feature. 😂 The US is no country, it's just a very large corporation called a country which is run by the rich and you are the modern slave for the rich slave owners. And that's why you don't have a government but a board of directors instead. And It hasn't changed since 1776.

[@MrZoomah]

Welcome to Australia. We've had publicly funded private schools since the early 2000s. Coincidentally, our education ranking has fallen since... Let's see... The year 2000. (It's more complicated than one thing.. standardised testing is a part of it too) What this has lead to is segregation. 1 in 3 Aussie kids attend private schools now. This is the people with money and time to travel are entering the private system. These schools then use scholarships to skim the other good students from public schools. In short, we have concentrated disadvantage. We have some schools that used to be pretty good with now 50% disadantaged kids but who are underfunded. 90% of aussie public schools don't meet minimum funding requirements while 90% of private schools are overfunded. They say school choice. But it's school choice for some. My foster child was enrolled in 2 private schools when he was younger and he was driven out of both to protect the schools reputation. Luckily he came to live with me as I live in a good postcode which meant the school was able to provide a lot of resources to support him. If he had been in a disadvantaged postcode he couldn't have been supported.

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

Basically what has happen to our collage. I wouldmt be surprised of student loans start in grade school now

[@dennykeaton9701]

Excellent

[@d.d.d.a.a.a.n.n.n]

We have them in the US, too. Walmart ran legal suits against school districts in my state in order to gain it. They're called 'charter schools.'

[@rebeccamartin2399]

That is exactly how it goes here in US. I feel education is intentionally underfunded and on top of that Rs have been chipping away at it for 4 decades that I know of. Now crazy Rs running for president are actually telling people they want to get rid of dept. of education all together as a campaign promise.🙄

[@Roxor128]

Looks like I dodged a bullet. I finished high school in 2000.

[@MichaelWilson1984]

Is there a way to see if a local school board candidate is being funded by this group(s) - we're seeing more and more School Board Candidates use "we're your conservative candidate" to win in deep red districts, and since it's so cheap to run a school board campaign it's hard to tell if they are tied to these larger groups.

[@user-th1pv6ks5o]

I think using any talking points from the right is a clue in.

[@dennykeaton9701]

I don't think anyone cares

[@craffte]

@@dennykeaton9701 Oh... People Care. Trust.

[@craffte]

I like the way you think. Go to the source.

[@newbloomwon]

Kind of rich for people insisting on a religious education accusing public schools of indoctrination. Isn’t accepting something as fact solely because you’re told with an insistence of suspending reason the definition of indoctrination?

[@jaydenwebster7510]

Precisely.

[@sstritmatter2158]

You are not correct. At all. Religious education does not accuse anyone of anything, first of all. Secondly, in religious private schools, it is more inclusive in that one doesn't have to believe in God to attend there, but God can be included in discussions. Not so in the public school sector, so who has more rights? Religion is free-will. As for suspending reason for belief in God, on the contrary. Look up Thomas Aquinas's 5 Proofs on the Existence of God. It's too bad, by the way, you'd never see that in a public school library but all sorts of LGBT material. This is why we are having this discussion.

[@TechySeven]

@@sstritmatter2158 *//"You are not correct. At all. Religious education does not accuse anyone of anything, first of all."//* Firstly, you Completely Failed to support your original point(s) that they were "not correct [at all]". As all you did was simply state "Religious education does not accuse...", even though NewBloomWon NEVER Claimed or Implied that 'Religious Education accuses', they Specified " *people* [who INSIST on a religious education]...". There's a big difference there. *//"in religious private schools, it is more inclusive in that one doesn't have to believe in God to attend there, but God can be included in discussions."//* Secondly, you're playing fast-and-loose here to a point of dishonest representations. One needn't Necessarily believe in a God to attend many [though not even remotely Every] religious private school, sure, but even in the cases where it isn't a Hard Requirement (and no telling how long that will last either)... the students who Don't Believe (or Believe Differently) will nevertheless still invariably be shunned, marginalized, and/or outcast merely for their differences in belief. All the School itself needs to do for that to happen is just NOT Even lift a finger or say a word, the Religious Students and Religious Parents will MAKE it Happen. Further, "including God in discussion", by Your [Religious] Private-School Standard, means making reference or mention of A SPECIFIC Religious 'God' (and mere Unfounded and/or Unprovable BELIEFS of a Specific Type) as much as possible even when or where there is NO Feasible or Realistic Relevance to the subject or topic at-hand. That makes for a Hindrance to proper education, especially since it's Ideological BIASES that can (and often Will) be used to deliberately seek to Control or Manipulate the Information Available to those they're "educating". Meanwhile Public Schools don't (and Can't) condone or support Shunning or Marginalization of believers of ANY Religious Ideology, including those that believe theirs to Be "Superior" or "Absolute Truth". And while Religious Beliefs can't merely JUST be 'discussed' Willy-Nilly as though they were Actually Objective Facts, they CAN Be Referenced when & where genuinely relevant to a topic or subject, and NOTHING Prevents students of Public School from Believing their own personal Religious Ideologies (regardless of what those are). So, the very Idea of Religious Private Schools run starkly COUNTER to the concept of Religious Freedom. If they Didn't, then they wouldn't be Called "Religious" & "Private" in the First Place. *//"As for suspending reason for belief in God, on the contrary. Look up Thomas Aquinas's 5 Proofs on the Existence of God."//* Oh, you mean Aquinas's THREE [supposed] "Proofs on the Existence of God" (apparently Aquinas, for all his [relative] intelligence in his time, Couldn't Count properly; see 'Equivocation' and pay attention to how his "Argument from First Cause" is just being [dishonestly] Phrased 3 Different Ways and arbitrarily being called "3 Different Arguments"). Every single argument of his has long-since been rebutted, countless times. *//"It's too bad, by the way, you'd never see that in a public school library but all sorts of LGBT material."//* Sounds an awful lot more like you've Never been in a public school library outside of literally the most basic of Elementary-School Libraries. But sure, let's just PRETEND that 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders (or Younger) can Magically just FULLY Understand & Comprehend Complex Philosophical ramblings & jargon (and particularly from the Renaissance, Middle-Ages, or Medieval Period; I'm SURE they could all just Perfectly Read That NO Problem [/s]). *//"This is why we are having this discussion."//* No. We're having this discussion because You (and/or many folks much like yourself) WANT Your Personal Religious Beliefs to be held as a Privileged & 'Superior' Position Over Other Religious (and Non-Religious) Beliefs within our current modern Societies. WANT them to Dominate. And the Money-Hungry Religious Leaders & Apologetics Mouthpieces, just blanketly tell you what IS or ISN'T to be believed, and you swallow those pills without question (most of the time), even when they're the ones making the biggest personal investments (and Profiting the Most) out of things like those Religious Private Schools & 'Voucher' Systems (among other Geopolitical issues). Simply because they phrase it in an appealing & religiously self-confirming manner that caters to your personal beliefs and makes you FEEL morally-justified in further helping them to continue lining their pockets while ultimately Taking from the poor more than anyone (exactly like Jesus wanted... Oh wait... ).

[@xjarheadjohnson]

That is why the American founding fathers deemed religions unfit for modern governance. The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_ This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion. *Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office* _"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_* This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required. _“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_ *-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the United States June 10, 1797* ....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything. _“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_ *-Letter From John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817* _"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_ *-Thomas Jefferson* _"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature."_ *-Thomas Jefferson* _"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_ *-Benjamin Franklin* _“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_ *― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)* _"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."_ *-Susan B. Anthony*

[@AndNowIWrite]

Thank you for your your comment.

[@xjarheadjohnson]

@@AndNowIWrite You're welcome. It is more important than ever for people to understand that contrary to popular American folklore, the founding fathers DID NOT BELIEVE in the Bible, DID NOT IDENTIFY as Christian & DID NOT CREATE a government based on those values. In fact, most had an extremely obvious & palpable dislike of it. Just look at the laws they passed, treaties they ratified, the letters they exchanged & the books they published; written, edited & published by the Founding Fathers, themselves. Publications like, *Age of Reason* or *Reason: The Only Oracle of Man* or *The Jefferson Bible* are good introductions. They are all damning critiques of Christianity. _"I am no Christian, except mere infant baptism make me one."_ *-Ethan Allen - Reason the Only Oracle of Man* _"The story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up."_ *- Thomas Paine - Age of Reason (1794)* _“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”_ *-Thomas Jefferson - in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813* _"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies."_ *- Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanack) _“Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange belief that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies.”_ *- Thomas Paine - Age of Reason (1794)* _“There is not one redeeming feature in our superstition of Christianity. It has made one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.”_ *-Thomas Jefferson* (American statesman, diplomat, lawyer, architect, philosopher, Founding Father, 3rd president of the United States) _“Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?”_ *-Letter John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817* _“Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.”_ *-James Madison - Letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774* _"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”_ *-James Madison, Ibid, 1785* (American statesman, diplomat, Founding Father, 4th president of the United States) _"I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”_ *-George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789* _"In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.”_ *-George Washington - letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 17*

[@DJ_Force]

An "establishment of religion" means a specific church, like the Catholic church, or the Mormon church. There is no freedom FROM religion in the Constitution. The private opinions of the founding fathers in interesting but not relevant to discussions of law.

[@xjarheadjohnson]

@@DJ_Force Incorrect. Our laws & secular democracy *REFLECT* the world-views of the American founding fathers. _“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_ *- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father and 2nd president) Notice the 2nd president said, _"The [U.S.] is not a Christian nation."_ That encompasses Catholic, Protestant, Mormonism (Mormonism didn't exist at the time) & all other Christian eligious denominations. The U.S. is not Christian, not Jewish & not Islamic. Would you like to insert some other religion you believe they advocated for? A secular democracy was just one of the many, revolutionary & courageous, concepts these men established in their time. _"The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion."_ *- Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man* (American Founding Father, philosopher, political theorist, and revolutionary) The founding fathers intentionally established a government with no religion, so the people living under that government have the freedom to choose any (or no) religion they would like, free from government influence.

[@bdmurr2]

I love the use of the term “indoctrination” like what the f*** do you think religion is? What do you think a religious based curriculum is doing?

[@Photographyalex]

All they do is projection on everything.

[@FredEdeXIII]

Literally!!!

[@craffte]

Such a great comment. Exactly.

[@cristinasydnor9509]

Theyre talking about themselves!

[@uniquenewyork3325]

Using their motives against others is their favorite pass time

[@ericcarabetta1161]

These people should be in prison, but instead we have them allowed to corrupt our educational system to such an extreme degree under the guise of “religion”, because our government is too spineless to stop them.

[@boltstrike2787]

Our government is too spineless to stop them because these people are paying them. We need to go French Revolution on these people and force them out of power.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Check out *PROJECT 2025* This is why we must call for Direct Digital Democracy with neither Parties nor Politicians. Citizen initiated referendums with thresholds and a social contract means Communities can vote their own laws. As well as a Public Authority to audit police and prosecute bad actors in our own courts. With the appropriate checks and balances, you could have a national digital forum where qualified professionals can debate the issues in a public setting without all the disinformation and bad faith antics, hatespeech etc. Any vote would need to pass the 70% threshold, with a veto or _rewrite_ vote needing 30%. The issues would be debated, the public educated, and then a vote taken. Votes that fail will have to wait a year before trying again. Any new proposal (Citizen Initiated Referendum) would have to reach a threshold of support before it made it onto the register. This would all be subject to a Social Contract (New Constitution) that forbids human rights abuses and discrimination, that can be written in the same manner based on the core principles we all share. Councils and Boards could operate in a similar fashion at Scale. It works in a way that obligates people to better educate themselves ( that is to use logic and evidence in their reasoning ) for a better understanding of the issues, and then take collective responsibility for the outcomes. As opposed to the divisive US v them scapegoating and bi-partisan finger pointing the current Capitalist Pyramid Scheme runs on. This can be achieved through a General Strike or Velvet Revolution, much like the Occupy movement, peacefully occupying State Buildings until a People's Mandate can be implemented. Alternatively candidates could run with the directive to install a Direct Democracy, and therefore wouldn't need to have any policies of their own, they could even be Mascots! If you agree with these ideas please copy and paste this post, the only ones that can stop them is US, all of us, on the same page, with the goal of a Direct Democracy without Parties or Politicians, for a safer sustainable future for our kids.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

​@@dundid1t4LL I found there's a direct link between Scientology, Trump, and the techniques used by the right wing echosphere, who also tie to NXIVM (Elon promoted it) Epstein (Trump's bff for20+ years) and Saville, (who Brand idolised) and the Monarchy who (Shapiro and Piers Morgan defends). Tate dated Peterson's daughter and Elon went to the same Jesuit University as Trump, and Epstein hooked up Elon's brother, just like he did for Trump. Trump's lawyer Alan Dershowitz said he was introduced to Epstein by Lynn de Forrester Rosschild. Scientology is training these people in the tactics of brainwashing, basically what MK Ultra became, and probably run by the CIA, and Opus Dei, which is basically the same thing. Their principle strategy is Gaslighting. Gaslighting, aka Grooming. Accusation in a mirror (AiM), mirror politics, mirror propaganda, mirror image propaganda, is a hate-speech incitement technique where one falsely attributes to one's adversaries the intentions that one has for oneself and/or the actions that one is in the process of enacting. It was used in Rwanda, Guatemala, Brazil, and Burma, each having ties to Mossad. Trump, Barr, Bannon, Cippolone, Gore, Guiliani, Leo, Alito, Thomas, and Barrett are all Opus Dei. Trump trained alongside Epstein and Roger Stone under Roy Cohn, who used kids to blackmail politicians on behalf of Mossad. Cohn trained under Meyer Lansky, who trained under Hoover. Robert Mercer and Rupert Murdoch are both Knights of Malta. Saville, Bezos, Gates, Koch, Rogan, Walsh, Crowder, Kirk, Fuentes, Dore, Knowles, Kulinksi, Ball, Iverson, Icke, Woods, Watson, Cernovich, Abbott, Jones, Robinson, Woods, Pool, Rubin, Peterson, Posobeic, Duke, Molyneux, Yilanopouse, Gionet, Richardson, Tillerson, Greene, Manaforte, Flynn, Ducey, Acosta, Attwood, Stone, Pence, Desantis, Meadows, Trump, Eastman, Black, Kerik, Melania, Barr, Bannon, Hawley, Gingrich, Abrams, Comey, Cuomo, Kerry, Abrams, Gore, Spencer, Blassio, Pompeo, Bolton, McCarthy, Nugent, Cruz, Rubio, Gaetz, Santos, Tucker, Gutfield, O'Reilly, Beck, Scarborough, Devos, Kasich, Mercer, Murdoch, Rosschild, Ingram, Kelly, Lake, Conway, Coulter, Huckabee, McEnany, Hannity, Spicer, Christie, Prager, Maher, Colbert, Corbett, Hayes, Biden, Harris, Fauci, Pelosi, Menendez, Pirro, Manchin, Cooper, Maddow, AOC, Newsom, Uyger, Dawkins, Hitchens, Hancock, Sitchin, Ventura, Morgan, Cowell, Farage, Johnson, May, Merkel, Blair, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Mogg, Benjamin, Trudeau, Putin, Bolsanaro, Stalin, Lenin, Tito, Trotsky, Hitler. All Roman Catholic. Special mentions (adjucants): Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Miller, Watters, Greenwad, Blumenthal, Maté, Camp, Brand, Loomer, Shapiro, Thatcher, Bush, Obama, Merkel, Greer, Summers, Silverstein, Adelson. Greenblatt. Wexner. Also Hindu Nationalists Ramaswamy, Tulsi, Haley, Hirsi, DeSouza, Modi etc. Edward Snowden worked for Pentagon Comptroller Dov Zakheim and was bought to us by Glen Greenwald, who now rubs shoulders with Jesuit Agent Provocateurs Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan, whose mutual friend with Steven Crowder Brian Callen is the founder of Diligence, a spook Contractor to the CIA. Julian Assange helped Roger Stone and the Trump Campaign in 2016, being the first to suggest challenging the outcome if he lost, and asking to be made the Australian ambassador to the US. Margeret Sunbyrne, the head of the Sun Worship Cult he was raised in was also protected by the CIA in the Australian Supreme Court, on grounds of "National Security" Trump paints himself Orange to represent Apollo. Aleister Crowley inspired NXIvM and Manson, and was a master of mind control, his Protege L Ron Hubbard was the founder of Scientology, which uses the same mind control tactics displayed in right wing media. They were also instrumental in Trump's conception as the Moon Child, born on a Super Wolf Blood Moon on June 14 700 days before the founding of Israel, who he gave sovereignty over the Golan heights on its 70th anniversary, and was inaugurated aged 70 years 7 months and 7 days old. June 14 is the birthday of Osiris, Known as the Day of the Pharoah. Scientology uses the same tricks as Religion and Freemasonry, including isolation through strange acts (rituals/hazing) Gaslighting and intimadation, these can also be seen in right wing propaganda. Peterson's hero's journey comes from the transit of the moon through the zodiac, which is why they're called months. Blame the victim: The strategy is to make the aggressor's feelings the goalposts, everything is oriented around their needs and approval; a war of attrition using subjective language and logical fallacies such as incredulity, which amounts to disbelief, and acting as if this belief is something the victim is responsible for. "Look what you made me do" *In the context of child sexual abuse (CSA) the **_gaslighting_** is often used to convince the victim all the abusive behaviours are fine, normal and an expression of “love” (for eg Patriotism, Christianity, Service). It is used to ensure the victim doesn’t speak out about it and doesn’t fight back. It can also be used in concert with other **_grooming_** tactics like fear and isolation. Ultimately the aim is to legitimise a worldview that is detached from reality, and therefore arbitrary. Now they can call evil good and good evil* *>>Trivializing:* *The victim’s feelings are made to feel like they don’t matter, are **_unfounded_** or they are weak for thinking so.* (woke/ lib/ groomer/ unamerican etc) *>>Countering: This is quintessential gaslighting.* *They **_directly counter the memories and perceptions of the victim._* *>>Repetitive Questions: The abusive partner makes the victim doubt what they think or feel by asking the same question multiple times.* by doing so they preemptively assume the role of an authority by virtue of being rude. The shock value is the whole point, it's the politics of Terrorism. *>>Diverting: The abuser diverts the subject and puts the blame into outside circumstances.* *>>No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity* is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to *protect their generalized statement from a falsifying counterexample* by trying to _exclude the counterexample_ improperly. This is the Core of White Supremacist ideology. *"What Others Say" (Appeal to Populism)* The abuser tells the victim what other people "think" about the victim, the abuser and/or the situation on whole. Also known as an appeal to populism, the basis of Authoritarian Communism, and Cults, "if many believe it then it must be true" (whether people actually agree with the position and whether it is true or not). Bolshevism itself means "the Majority" and is no different to Fascist appeals to a "Moral Majority" Patriotism is a form of Authoritarian Communism. Other than direct contradiction and disbelief other strategies for Gaslighting include Begging the Question, and the use of Strawman arguments; refuting a reframed argument *different from the one actually under discussion* while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. Through the exercise of overwhelming a subject with countless contradicting premises and subjective terms a game of Pigeon Chess is played to deter criticism and break down a person's defences, until they no longer trust their own feelings, and rely solely on an outside source for direction. This is clearly demonstrated in the Maga cult, and is repeated in the convoluted dogma and magical thinking of Evangelism, New Age Spirituality, Ancient Aliens, and Graham Hancock. Always alluding to a secret to be revealed, but always in vague nebulous terms and undefined benefits of a far away place with no means to verify one way or the other. "Trust me bro" Effectively they all play the same role of an Enlightened Guru with deep understanding of life matters who can solve all your problems. It's likely no coincidence Reagan emptied the mental health services in the US, over half of those in Jail and living on the streets have undiagnosed ADHD. Auyawasca and Psychotropics are also a staple in brainwashing, as is telling the target they've been brainwashed and that the Guru has the cure, right wing propaganda uses this language heavily by flipping the script and arguing they are the victims, that they're the ones being silenced and cancelled, that they oppose child abuse while also defending it, that the deep State is out to get them, when they're the Deep State and always have been. Aleister Crowley was a big advocate of using Psychotropics to brainwash, just like the CIA, Opus Dei and MK Ultra. Brand and Trump both use hand waving and holding them outspread in a "settle" gesture called pacing. They can also stare at an opponent, "asserting dominance" to put the target on the back foot and unsure how to respond. Peterson does this a lot, along with rapid fire speech, and using an insulting or demanding tone. By using these tactics as well as loaded language (Newspeak) and inference (plausible deniability) only to move the goalposts and reframe when challenged. Trump's Mentor Roy Cohn admitted to using kids to blackmail politicians on behalf of israel, and trained under him alongside Epstein and Roger Stone. Trump's Jesuit mentor was Norman Vincent Peale, a 33rd degree Master Freemason. He was born June 14 during a Super Wolf Blood Moon to Fred Christ and Mary McKleod, he keeps a book of Hitler's speeches called _My New Order_ and uses it verbatim at his rallies. The Von Drumph family come from the same place as Hitler, Vienna Bavaria, Capital of the Holy Roman Empire. He paints himself Orange to represent Apollo; the Dawnbringer of Aleister Crowley's Golden Dawn. Jamal Kashoggi's Mossad brother Adnan sold Trump a Superyacht for Russian Roman Abromavich, who was also paying Boris and Farage for Brexit. Most of israel's govt are non religious Russians.

[@brambletalon230]

​@@dundid1t4LLmy guy... private schooling is a privilege have you ever thought about that? Like you have to be rich enough to afford it. You are so mired in privilege that you can't see it can you?

[@sanniepstein4835]

You're a tyrant, as well as a thief. Most leftists are.

[@chocolateleftisttanuki3690]

I mean is it really a secret when they talk openly about abolishing the department of education and talk about school choice

[@anitaoconnell2799]

School choice.....what a terrible idea. We can't have school choice!

[@user-th1pv6ks5o]

​@@anitaoconnell2799 I really dgaf about the branding when the execution is abysmal.

[@PURENT]

@@anitaoconnell2799 You already have school choice, it's called using your money to send your children to a private school. Can't afford it? That's too bad. I can't afford to have a McLaren F1 but you don't see me crying to congress to give me "car choice" at the taxpayer's expense.

[@anitaoconnell2799]

So your taxpayer-provided car is a piece of junk. The government says too bad you live in this area, this is your car.

[@PURENT]

@@anitaoconnell2799 See the government doesn't even provide a car, so I have a much bigger case than you. Give me my supercar or gtfo

[@stopdropro]

so private religious schools want more money from the public while staying private and is tax exempt. yea.... sound like greed to me

[@sstritmatter2158]

It is not private religious schools who are lobbying for vouchers, it is people tired of Woke Marxism infecting the public school system and very poor education standards.

[@Madaboutmada]

While not solely responsible, people can thank Trump for packing the Supreme Court with jurists supporting this kind of gross malfeasance to our public education system.

[@krejados1]

Actually, reach back one tier, to the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society, both of which are funded by hard-right monied interests. They make recommendations, right-wing presidents appoint them.

[@Bobbias]

@@krejados1 Ding ding ding. While the right always complains about the "deep state", it's because they actually have a competent deep state which is working in lockstep to create the dystopian hellscape we're living in, and to make it that much worse.

[@t.wilson9432]

Don't forget Betsy Devoss...

[@dennykeaton9701]

Sure pal 🤡

[@ZyndaQuil]

People want to make the “both parties bad argument” and then don’t vote but really should vote for the lesser of two evils and keep doing that over and over so that the evil is lesser and lesser. But understanding incremental change like that would also involve understanding things like evolution, which is beyond these dummies.

[@TheBHAitken]

About time people noticed. The Conservative mantra states that only the wealthy need education while the workers only need enough to "do the job". This has ALWAYS been the working of religious based governing. Knowledge is a power that Conservatives do NOT want you to have.

[@adelheide1005]

This video needs to end this with: "Here's how you can help fight the voucher system..."

[@ShadowDrakken]

Vouchers to turn tax money into private hands? Because they're not bleeding the economy dry fast enough I assume?

[@liquidthex]

This is so maddening, it makes one feel helpless when fundamentalist organizations with so little resources have such huge leverage over our lives.

[@thewebdiva5903]

They have plenty of financial support from all the religious bigots and top 1%. They are pushing for one thing but those who stand to benefit the most are the slick, rich dudes who couldn’t care less about education.

[@craffte]

We Have power. Otherwise they wouldn't be needing to go to these measures in order to get what they want.

[@vebdaklu]

No wonder this happens, education is the best bet for poor people to lift themselves up, so if all schools are private - no more education for the poors. Which makes people more desperate, a cheap labor force, and the private schools funnel government money in. What's not to like if you are a filthy rich asshole who owns a school? Writing the words "owns a school" made me dizzy, honestly...

[@barleymepodcast2301]

And HERE is the end goal. Thank you!

[@amyturpen4726]

Exactly. The 13th, 14th, & 15th amendments made it illegal to Own other human beings as Chattle Property but it does not prevent bonded servitude which is the direction this is leading.

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

Ah, the middle class liberal mantra: "education is the best bet for poor people to lift themselves up". Sadly, in most capitalist economies, it is completely untrue for virtually all working class people. The USA could have the best public schooling, and still there'd be massive inequality. That's how capitalism works. Socialism is the solution, not self-help.

[@supervideomaker9136]

What I find crazy about this is that even the founding founders wanted public education so that fact they want to destroy it is just nuts. They love to act patriotic and think they are supporting America, but they seem to do everything the founding fathers didn’t want( they wanted separation of church state, public education, etc)

[@sandwichmeats1753]

Their position is patently absurd. If I don't like what my local police are doing with POC in my neighborhood, should I sue to get a police voucher? If I don't like my local roads, can I sue to get a road voucher? Just because you don't like the state offering doesn't mean you should be able to just take your tax money back and essentially force every other taxpayer to fund your pet project.

[@erinmac4750]

Thank you! I was trying to think of how to say this!

[@12pentaborane]

When you put it that way, I all of a sudden do want that.

[@sstritmatter2158]

They aren't the same thing, but nice try. The closer logic is if there is a public works project, it should be put out to bid and the best contractor given the bid. Hence, welcome the voucher system.

[@dwaynezilla]

There should be no private schools. Multi-tier school systems mean that the upper class will have real education while the lower don't. That's what they want.

[@jacobmecrob5185]

Why wouldn't a public school be able to provide the same level of education as a private school? It should. And if it doesn't, that's part of the problem that needs to be fixed.

[@jingbot1071]

Nor should there be private healthcare or housing, but here we are.

[@anitaoconnell2799]

Public schools are failing. The statistics across the nation bear this out.

[@kyedankurz2783]

@@jacobmecrob5185 private schools would be able to buy out all of the best teachers and staff. to keep the level of education the same between public schools and private schools then the government would have to fund the public schools which is something they are not willing to do rn

[@the-chipette]

I’m not against private schools schools existing; I’m against public funds being systematically siphoned and going into voucher programs to subsidize private institutions/systems (charters included). If you want private education for your children, no problem. Just don’t expect public funds to pay for it. (Ironically, beneficiaries of the voucher system are totally against public spending on healthcare, infrastructure projects, and government nutritional programs. But government subsidized private schools? Gimme mah check! 🙄)

[@Chazzmatazz]

Their paranoia is unhinged.

[@SpayAndNeuterChristians4Safety]

Christians are geared toward facism

[@n.h.moreno]

They WILL NEVER STOP. They want to run this nation like their own bodies and want to destroy blot and mixture and the "woke". Sickos.

[@dedetudor.]

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[@dennykeaton9701]

As is the maker of the video

[@FredEdeXIII]

​@@dennykeaton9701We get it, you're a troll. I guess this channel has gotten popular enough for you people to try and sow dissent. But all you're doing is alienating everyone normal against you, and that's the vast majority.

[@montecristo1845]

Don’t even THINK about doing a “both sides” report on this, CNN!

[@readysetgo4321]

Not interested in education, just control. Control over what education means, who gets it and who doesn't.

[@caseysmith544]

And what some Beyond Republican people can do and force kids to the schools that only teach the kids how to be same Beyond Republican Politician not even teaching about the internet or having internet even TV to keep the kids from learning and scaring them into not wanting to go off this path for fear of death. Yeah, really crazy cult stuff to groom politicians from birth.

[@justinfowler2857]

Ignorant and fearful people are easy to control

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

​@@justinfowler2857George Carlin said it best, ,"smart enough to run the machine but dumb enough to not question how they are getting screwed

[@valerietaylor9615]

It’s obvious that they want to dumb us down.

[@meriscorditan2799]

Give public schools more funding. No school privitization, no religious indoctrination!

[@dennykeaton9701]

You still think it's 1880. Have you slept through the technological revolution. Just because a system was great 150 years ago doesn't mean it's still suitable

[@meriscorditan2799]

@@dennykeaton9701 Yes, and private schools are so much better. Get a grip. Our public schools need the funding for better teaching methods, materials and technology. Privatization will only turn it into a business, and therefor a vehicle for profit above all else.

[@dennykeaton9701]

@@meriscorditan2799 It's like two guys in 1910 debating on how to handle the horse manure in the city. You are hopelessly stuck in the past arguing about public vs private ECT.

[@meriscorditan2799]

@@dennykeaton9701 Care to explain without resorting to personal attacks? Tell me how for-profit schools are a benefit.

[@BigTrees4ever]

⁠​⁠@@meriscorditan2799I’ve read this over and over again and I can’t, for the life of me find the part where he says that they’re a benefit. Sort of sounds like he’s saying both public and private schooling are a negative.

[@lornenoland8098]

Watch them lose their sh*t when the first madrassa is fully subsidized with tax $$

[@the-chipette]

Or Islamic school.

[@mtn1793]

Or a fully private “Planned Parenthood” reorganizes as a school system.

[@PaulGuy]

Or The Satanic Temple opens the Institute of the Unholy or something.

[@davishropshire5361]

Or Jewish Day School. Was thinking the same thing.

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

@@the-chipette A madrassa is an Islamic school.

[@santawashere4877]

Where I grew up in Montana there were amazing public schools and the private schools were always subpar religious schools that didn't want to teach evolution. The Espinoza decision is a tragedy.

[@DJ_Force]

Why is everyone so concerned about teaching Evolution? No one cares about Relativity, or Quantum Mechanics, or even basic math. A population that understands statistics but not evolution will be much better served.

[@sailorstu]

One step closer to the series Handmaid Tale.

[@Phantus00]

If it's a "need", don't let for-profit vultures anywhere near it. We need a total separation from Corp and State.

[@sfkeepay]

I will never understand why those people feel such a need to shove their religion down everyone else’s throats.

[@FightingForFacts7074]

I think that is just their ruse to control people. Look at mass conversions and religious boarding schools of the past. Very few of the perpetrators genuinely believe their own drivel, but want to control others with it.

[@jasons8479]

Me neither, but that's how religions have managed to survive and thrive for centuries.

[@stickysden]

People are so indoctrinated, they don't even understand what religion is. Whether it's any of the 3 Abrahamic Doctrines, Judaism, Christianity, or Islam. They "act" as though they are "progressive/law-abiding". But in really they are "Old Testament" regressive! Don't matter the Doctrine, if you're a Heathen, Infidel, Apostate, undesirable, you're not wanted! And, there is nothing you can say that will change their minds. But, they will use you for "the greater good"... The fundamental structure of religion is Power & Control! What happens with Power & Control? Corruption! What else in this World will give you the Power & Control to have a person do your bidding, willingly, and with zeal!... For "God", of course... Have a great day! 🙂✌🏽

[@aureliaqueen8753]

I thought America was the land of the free and of the brave! Jokes aside it's really sad and disgusting how big the american conversative (fascist) movement is.

[@31darkstar37]

And our first amendment allows them to thrive unopposed.

[@tracyleighbasham]

​@@31darkstar37🤡

[@JohnT.4321]

The US government was designed from the beginning to serve the interests of the wealthy elites. We can easily deduce that these far-right religious organizations are funded by these elites to mold the US into whatever society they wish to have and only certain people will have more rights than others.

[@dedetudor.]

I do not know a single conservative who's a fascist... That would be the democrats. Keep your hands off our children and keep sexual harassment out. Boys are boys and girls are girls.

[@Bonkermcbonk]

@@dedetudor.fascism is a far right political system.

[@stevechance150]

Mike Farris is 72, his expiration date is coming up in the next nine or ten years. Homeschooled kids know that they didn't get a good education. When they reach their late twenties and mid thirties and have children, they will send their children to public schools.

[@namangoy]

Ghouls live far longer than you'd expect or want. See also: rumsfeld (died at 89), Reagan (died at 93), queen Elizabeth (died at 96)

[@segara04]

​@@namangoy​to add on, their deaths do nothing about the effects of their actions and the systems still in place.

[@amyturpen4726]

Not if there are no longer any public schools which is this organizations goal.

[@CarFreeSegnitz]

Business opportunity: start a school, “Satan’s Academy”… and watch the voucher system vanish like a fart in a fan factory.

[@the-chipette]

Lol “Crux at the Hill LeVayan Satanic Academy”- see how fast the voucher system goes up in smoke.

[@mtn1793]

Haha. The Machiavelli school of anything goes, business as usual.

[@alienonion4636]

😂👍

[@user-th1pv6ks5o]

Honestly, the Satanic temple might just do it. They have a health clinic for women currently, and one of there on going goals is to get rid of capital punishment on school children. You know how in the 80s you could spank children in school? That sh*t still happens and the satanic temple does activism against it. Not the church of Satan they are the crazy ones.

[@PaulGuy]

Oh, The Satanic Temple will definitely do exactly that.

[@microfighterz]

It should also note that they keep using the term "Marxist" to mean "empathetic". Funnily enough being called a Marxist lead me to read Marx and discover that I am one, but I'm not Marxist because of my education at school.

[@xcovd2533]

They say this despite most history classes saying something like " Communism is when 100 trillion dead, Commulism=Bad" with cold war statistics 😂

[@DJ_Force]

Because the cold war was the last time humanity tried collectivism. We learned it doesn't work.

[@cassie668]

@@xcovd2533Marxism isn’t Communism, nor is socialism. Taking care of your people isn’t communism, it’s a society.

[@EyeLean5280]

I told a friend of mine this a few years ago and she got really, really mad at me, like I was some sort of conspiracy nut. I'm so temped to send this to her.

[@ally939]

Do it

[@Ddelsol47]

Do it, you've no reason not to

[@jasons8479]

If your friend can't handle you telling her the truth, what kind of friend is she really?

[@johnbash-on-ger]

Do it.

[@EyeLean5280]

She's a very good friend, @@jasons8479, this incident was unusual and surprising. I think she assumed I was too biased by my left-leaning politics and was overblowing things. But I knew it was entirely real I just didn't remember any sources I could point to at the time.

[@robertoveson3688]

I love my public education

[@dennykeaton9701]

Good for you

[@whyplaypiano2844]

@@dennykeaton9701 Denny, your unhinged ranting needs to end before I get youtube to censor you lol

[@1utube01]

This plot has been in the works for at least 20 years. The whole charter school/school voucher stuff has been a part of it.

[@lucyhallis9814]

I remember hearing this being talked about in the mid to late 1990's.

[@tomdonahoe3539]

Public education, the very cornerstone of our middle class economy, has been in the cross hairs of the GOP for a LONG time.

[@209bornandbred]

I think the racial origins of this cannot be understated, "school choice" was a phrase that was popular with segregationists when school segregation was outlawed... to me "school choice" just means white parents' choice to not have their kids around non-white kids

[@davishropshire5361]

Correct 🎯 “WhY mUsT eVeRyThInG bE aBoUt RaCe?!?” Because it’s the biggest motivator of fear in the U.S. So much so, for example, when the Black Panthers showed up fully armed at a California Statehouse exercising their second amendment rights, then-Governor Ronald Reagan moved to implement gun control.

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

Given the popularity of Asian-Americans with the white elite, or Clarence Thomas, or many other Black upper class examples... not really.

[@thepeasantsofdithmarschen3507]

Living in Florida, this plot is not particularly shocking unfortunately

[@kanon4146]

Michael Farris was a family friend for years and years before the family finally separated from him entirely and I assure you whatever your opinion of him after this video, he was worse in person.

[@bluefire10169]

Funny thing…I went to a public school. Once in college, I ended up tutoring a lot students who went to these private Christian schools because they were failing.

[@ft1725]

The goal for these people is to get the country to follow their views exclusively. Those kids will no longer be failing because they come from the right background. Also, you likely have a selection bias. Usually people call on tutors if their kids are not doing well or if they have someone who they want to become advanced.

[@bluefire10169]

@@ft1725 I was their tutor. The right background behind may get you in to a school however not keep you there. No bias here, just an observation.

[@gaillewis5472]

That anyone would say that public education is trying to replace parents is laughable. Parents consistently say that they don't know what to do when their children don't want to get out of bed, bathe, do assignments, stay off the phone when they do show up. Most people wouldn't let their pets misbehave but let their offspring run wild then say educators aren't doing their job. It's exhausting.

[@spacechemsol4288]

If you can control the "education" you can control the people.

[@Roxor128]

More like "if you can deny it"! That's what these people really want: clueless rubes that'll fall for anything.

[@justanotheropinion5832]

I’ve been talking about this for years. It may be too late - they’re already so deep into their plan - but I’m glad it’s finally getting some attention.

[@theprecipiceofreason]

This has always been happening. The way to make this nonprofitable is to raise teachers wages. They can't afford professionals with the minority of students they get if the wages of teachers don't allow them to compete.

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

That would require teaching unions that are truly socialist and with backbone.

[@chrisoffersen]

It’s interesting how this group sees privatization as a tool of their influence. The thinking for the push for privatization of public services since at least the 90s is a lot clearer now.

[@Roxor128]

What really needs to be done is to nationalise education. Finland has ONLY public schools. Private school just isn't an option there. And, would you look at that: they top the global education rankings!

[@puppetsnob]

It has been exceedingly clear that these dangerous groups have the resources, and sheer determination to win. What's frustrating is that Progressive groups, even ones like "Patriotic Millionaires" are not nearly as organized with a defense, while the attackers chisel away what legal protections we have using clever strategy.

[@craffte]

Network with people. Get a strategy. We need to organize. In little ways at first maybe but it's definitely time to do something, even if it's only calling and emailing. It's going to get worse.

[@Social_Pugatory]

Leading up to and after BLM; things like the 1619 project having the general public realize the clear connection between slavery race and class disparities from then to now seemed to anger these people. They saw an awareness growing and are quickly acting to dahs it out by pulling the country HARD to the right even if they have to go full fascist to do so.

[@Indarow]

100%

[@resumpsi5468]

Nah, this has been one of the long term goals of the fundamentalists for decades. Things like the 1619 project are just convenient opportunities for them, but they'll always find something to clutch pearls about. There's no bar they won't stoop below to get their way.

[@dennykeaton9701]

Nothing to do with BLM, but thanks for trying.

[@davishropshire5361]

🎯

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

That New York Times 1619 project is a very poor example. As many socialists pointed out at the time, that was deeply ahistorical and aimed more at getting its author a great career in the anti-racist-but-pro-capitalism sector. She succeeded.

[@UMVELINQANGI]

This is very disturbing. Thanks for reporting on this important issue and bringing it to light. Keep up the good work!

[@mikecaetano]

"Keep the church and state forever separate." --Ulysses S. Grant, Sept. 29, 1875

[@hugh261]

The freedom to pursue your own spiritual development meets the spirit of freedom. The pursuit of control of others does not. It is what the Taliban does. This is about zealots bent on power over others. Expressing fear, that others are wielding power over them, out of the absolutist perspective. But, they are unable to notice that it is the determination, that their religious institution must prevail, that creates this perception.

[@Sythemn]

I will say that I wish there were alternatives to the standardized education system without having to send kids to a private school in the first place. Personally I'd rather send my children to a public Montessori school that allowed them to learn at their own pace, whether that be faster or slower than average, rather than the regimented education that I largely slept through.

[@OlesyaIgorevna-r8n]

I graduated from a public high school in 2021, and none of what these conservative idiots say about public schools is true. If anything, everybody I went to school with is either Republican or Libertarian. I am the only Communist from my graduating class, but that's because of my family telling me about their life in the 1970's and 1980's Soviet Union, what is Marxist Theory, etc. As well as my own experiences. And in my opinion, public schools do a pretty good job of indoctrination for preserving the status quo. When I was in elementary school, all I heard about the Founding Fathers and Lincoln boiled down to how great they were. When I was in 3rd grade, we were told that all immigrants come to the US for freedom and economic opportunities. And that they are grateful to have the privilege to live in such a great nation. And the only stories about children with an immigrant background that I was exposed to at school had characters that were having some problems but became American. Which didn't align with my life. I, a child of Russian immigrants, was bullied at school, including physical. I didn't really have friends. I never even really identified as American, and speak with a slight Russian accent. I had very strong negative feelings as a kid. I hated the US, for the bullies, for lying about the country my parents grew up in, for isolation, for forcing me to erase my Russian identity because I was born in Indiana. I have mellowed out, but my feelings about the US are mixed. I still hate the people who made my life hell in school. I hate the hundreds of psychopaths who care only about their own pockets, even at the expense of other's well-being. I love my friends. I love the beautiful nature of the land. I love going to college in California. I love the American far left, for just being there and telling me that I am not alone.

[@jeffreyherrera5069]

I'm sorry you had to deal with bullying, especially for being from an immigrant family. Solidarity, comrade. From a fellow Californian 😊

[@markfinley3703]

I think there should be a public debate on what the proper role of religious institutions is. I'll start. I am fine with religious institutions giving religious instruction to those who are willing to accept it. I don't think they should force their religious beliefs on others by trying to put them into secular law. If you are opposed to abortion because of your religion, don't have one. But don't tell others what to do. I am fine with religions helping to care for and feed the needy. I am fine with the social aspects of religious institutions serving as a kind of dating site/matchmaking service for those who want that. I am NOT fine with religious institutions financing candidates, or involving themselves in politics. If they want to do that, they should register as lobbyists or PACs, and be taxed accordingly. I also believe religious institutions should pay some amount of tax to city, county, state, and federal governments for the services that they use and benefit from. Such as streets leading up the their churches, fire, law enforcement, and emergency medical services. They could not long exist without these services and should share in the burden of paying for them like the rest of us. I'd suggest 10% because I think that is funny. Churches invented tithing. By definition, A tithe is a portion (10%) of your income given as an offering to your local church. I see no reason why that should be a one-way street. Feel free to offer your opinions. I would suggest that name-calling shows you have no intellectual opinion to contribute and are emotionally troubled. Try to make astute and cogent arguments.

[@alienonion4636]

👍

[@jaydenwebster7510]

Honestly I just agree with everything you said and don't have much to add myself.

[@d.d.d.a.a.a.n.n.n]

I think all religious institutions should be taxed, particularly the megachurches and large institutions. The only things that should count toward tax breaks are providing housing and food for all who need it, or similar services that the government can't seem to manage at the present, but that give back to the broader community

[@999benhonda]

It was interesting to here the guy say that Christianity and politics aren't separate...because Jesus clearly stated and showed that his followers would have nothing to do with politics, governments, because they recognize God's government, his kingdom. So, are they really Christians if they are looking to politics, to men, to solve problems? Because Jesus showed that we should look to God's kingdom and his direction. The Bible foretells that governments will turn on religions...considering how powerful and motivated religions organizations are becoming, you can start to see how governments could get to the point where they will have had enough of them.

[@d.d.d.a.a.a.n.n.n]

We all know these 'Christians' don't actually *believe* the words of the dude Jesus they claim to worship, let alone want to take action to live how he preached they should

[@موسى_7]

This is why Christianity is a much less practical religion than Islam. Because they always put themselves in the position to be a victim. Shia Islam actually achieved things in history. That is why I am Shia.

[@kpepperl319]

I keep telling my husband that this is happening, but it's not registering. I want my child to go to public schools... but he wants to catholic school. I can't 🤦‍♀️ Separation of church and state in public education is the biggest threat to these religious extremists and fascists. That is why they are buying supreme court justices, and they aren't even hiding it. And if we want to talk about unions... if this happens... goodbye teacher unions.

[@caseysmith544]

Divorce him for custody of the kid 100%, then if in NY state where this is impossible to gain custody 100%, remarry and have the person adopt the kid. This had to happen to a cousin in very Western NY where she was raped by a person she was tutoring who was way stronger then her and kept the kid herself becuse adoption rules would have let the other father have custody of the kid and had to marry her then current boyfriend when kid was under age of 6. The kid is now 17--18 getting ready to graduate, she does know who the father is and his last name despite her not having that last name, but her mom's last name instead and any kid with that last name even if in a different part of the USA or those other 7--8 kids who were created by him but a few 2--3 with a different last name, mother/daughter are keeping tabs on the names of the kids and there kids so they do not end up even dating romantically. I say this as one kid can't be counted for after age 12, might have committed suicide at age 12 or is dead due to the father having some custody looking like an accident of leaving the kid at the last local high school football game of the regular season without her jacket. The family of the Rapist they only have lots of kids in the hopes one of them in school sports ends up a star who can then save the family out of poverty seeing that since the late 1960's to early 1970's when at the time the better endorsement deals helped athletes make more $$$ to live like a millionaire off all the endorsements.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

@@caseysmith544 Absolutely nutter. Are you actually advising this person who otherwise has a happy family to wreck her life by dissolving her marriage over school choice? And you wonder why people say that the Left is insane and hostile to family values. This is disgusting. #LeftistLogic

[@موسى_7]

You can't raise a religious child in an American school. LGBT and cancel culture means religious people aren't welcome.

[@SellamAbraham]

If the ADL considers these people a hate group then I'm all for them and their efforts.

[@blacksocrates1]

Oh no!!! Giving parents a choice on where to send their children!!!!! Nooooooooooooo

[@OnaRocketship]

I honestly thought we were heading towards new innovative ways to educate people and that is clearly not true and going different directions.

[@MrZoomah]

Oh... don't worry. The most innovative research comes out of the USA. ONly problem is the rest of the world uses it while the USA ignores it.

[@dennykeaton9701]

We actually are. These dinosaurs are wanting to stay in the good old days of large public schools and hundreds of government jobs at each one.

[@EmperorNefarious1]

Some states already subsidize private schools by requiring transportation for all private school students. Seems reasonable until you realize that it costs a lot more to bus 5 kids to a school 20 miles away that it does to bus around 50 kids to the local public school 4 miles away.

[@acolli777]

Empathy and tolerance never destroyed a nation, hatred and anger on the other hand....

[@geoffclapp5280]

Public education has already failed and no one wants to acknowledge it. Your average public school student is traumatized by poverty, absentee parents, and a sick culture of consumerism and greed. We need charters and home schools options for the vast majority of students. For students that cannot function in a charter or home school setting we need well funded early intervention programs that can give troubled and struggling children the help they need early. Making teenage children sit 30 to a room for the majority of the day is an absurd practice left over from the Industrial revolution. America will never be a monoculture like China and trying to enforce one via a public school system is a giant waste of money, time, and the future of our children.

[@SavoryFilth]

Thank you! I was in public schools and I would’ve ended my own life if I was forced to stay, charter and private schools have saved me

[@user-f5xt2op9t]

Religion has out lived its usefulness.

[@dedetudor.]

Boys are boys and girls are girls. Keep trans out of our girls bathrooms. And keep your sexual motives and grooming out of the classroom. Right? Right?

[@maxfastest]

Especially when you deep dive into ancient history and discover that men Invented religion !

[@dedetudor.]

@@maxfastest keep molesters hands off the children and have separate locker rooms for boys who think they are girls. Keep the smut and filth books out of the library and the U.N. WEF approved global sex degenerate education out of the schools. It's not the 80's anymore.

[@gothboschincarnate3931]

it wasn't really very useful to begin with.

[@rorysimpson8716]

This is only a 'shocking' plot if you've had your head in your... couch cushions.

[@djbaugh33]

I find it fascinating that the groups concerned about the indoctrination of people, is literally the greatest source of indoctrination, religion.

[@GenerationX1984]

Ironic, eh?

[@recursivedreamer3149]

Also, the history of racism and slavery need to be taught. It also needs to be made clear that Protestant Christians and Catholics were complicit in slavery and racism.

[@RailPreserver2K]

Spread the word about this everywhere to everybody, we need to call them out on this. Its not just one side either, its ALL political sides.

[@craffte]

Absolutely 💯 percent.

[@Rexini_Kobalt]

its funny, public education really does need an overhaul. but not at all for the reasons they want lmfao

[@Ziaoe]

We need to abolish the supreme court .

[@valerietaylor9615]

No, we don’t have to abolish it. Just appoint sane justices.

[@KingDingus92]

these people are the devil they claim to fear. push back

[@Zed_Oud]

You know what, sure, vouchers, but only for nonprofit run schools. No for-profit schools. That’s my line in the sand. No shareholder or profit motives in education.

[@Dee-zs1qt]

Do not let them privatize public education.

[@tracyleighbasham]

😡 Christian Fascists 😡

[@dedetudor.]

What? 🙄😅😂

[@JohnBrown-tw2qi]

So just fascists

[@tracyleighbasham]

@@JohnBrown-tw2qi yes and no. There is a distinction. I believe the term was coined by Chris Hedges.

[@adamplentl5588]

This isn't a shocking secret plot. They've been saying this openly for a decade.

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

Same who say "what about thr kids" but cut every bit of finding to make kids lives better

[@laurakrajnikburick2731]

I would rather be awake "woke" than asleep. I can't back teaching kids to hate others due to their beliefs. Whether it be religion, LGBT, separation of church and state, or anything of one's own beliefs. This country was born from people escaping to this country for religious freedom or have the opportunity to own their own land and prosper. This country was built on that. Now certain individuals want to take that away.

[@ShardDesu]

Cultists weren't escaping anything, those zealots brought the persecution with them and inflicted it on the native population 'manifest destiny' style. Seperatipn of church and state isn't a belief, it's a tenet of an orderly secular political system that excludes faith based decisions because they aren't based on reality, equality or tolerance. Organized religion is a dogmatic method of propaganda to control populations and teaches people a codified set of rules intolerant of differentiation or disobedience.

[@GML_123.]

More options for a schooling seems like more freedom. And if a parent chooses a Catholic education will isn’t that religious freedom?

[@laurakrajnikburick2731]

​@@GML_123.No one said you can't teach your children any religion. You can't push your religion into others.

[@Jot78]

So I have no real bone in this fight, but why are vouchers bad? I grew up in an area where literally ALL of the public schools were terrible and everyone knew it. But no one could move out because of how poor they were. And funding wasn’t the issue because each year the city increased the funds but nothing changed. It was the terrible teachers who couldn’t get fired. If we could have voluntarily pulled out of these schools and gone into private schools (religious or not) to redirect the funds to the schools that actually worked, wouldn’t that make the schools in the area want to hire better teachers in order to keep us? I don’t know if that’s how a voucher system works, but that’s what it sounded like to me

[@dexterplant778]

Any and all religious entities that vocally speak about anything involved in politics in the united states must have their tax exemption revoked immediately with extreme prejudice.

[@Firebringer121]

Holy shit these people are evil, I didn't know how much they were behind, like wtf!?!

[@UndertheNeedle282]

The billionaire class knows that if they can keep everybody stupid or if they can indoctrinate them to believe that this is the way it's supposed to be. That the rich are supposed to be rich and the poor are supposed to be poor. If they can do this they know that they can continue to hoard every bit of wealth.

[@johnbash-on-ger]

Those are assumptions that might turn out to be false.

[@12pentaborane]

I don't know why you'd include keeping people stupid. It takes a certain level of education to be susceptible to indoctrination.

[@UnluckyHistorian]

Though many of my fellow Christians might oppose me on this, I agree that religious tax exemptions do need to be ended or at least altered. The very foundation of Christianity is about living a simpler life in the first place. This tax exemption made sense in eras where the church and the communities surrounding it provided many of the services that the government or other communities could not provide. However, in this day and age, many Christian communities and churches have disconnected themselves from the wider public for one reason or another. These churches no longer provide any service to the public and thus should also not have the tax exemption that the exemption was based upon: to become a pillar of the communities they were in and surrounded by. However, this also means I am supportive of tax exemptions for churches and their communities that do provide service to the public. When the church opens its doors to host anything and everything from voting polls, meeting places for non-Christian organizations, and gather their people to pick up trash, provide help to the needy and poor from their own coffers, and more. I am also a supporter of public education but also acknowledge that many of the teachers tend to inject their own biases into their teaching strategies. My personal example was a English Teacher in my 10th grade. Our assignment was greek myth and I was given a choice of multiple greek myths. Wanting to do my best, I went to more obscure/direct translation than what we could find in our textbook. I found mentions of rape, so I reported that. My teacher did not like that I mentioned that and began to ARGUE with me despite my having just reported what I found with sources to back it up. Essentially, she wanted to sanitize it. On the other hand, my history teacher from my 11th grade was very open to details about history that the books did not mention (intentionally or not) like the devastation Genghis Khan left in the wake of his conquests; the textbooks like to talk more about the connections and cultural aspects than the devastation. So public schools have their ups and downs, but just because I don't like one side of it doesn't mean I'm going to defund it!

[@montithered4741]

Amen! There are way too many tax breaks in the US tax code.

[@MorroWolf]

Its fun living through the last days of rome...

[@aaronjennings8385]

In brief, some specific complaints about the public education system include overcrowded classrooms, outdated curriculum, inadequate support for students with special needs, limited access to extracurricular activities, insufficient teacher salaries and benefits, inadequate infrastructure and facilities, and disparities in resources in low-income areas. These issues impact the quality of education and can hinder student learning and teacher satisfaction.