We Put 7 Uber Drivers in One Room. What We Found Will Shock You.

We put 7 Uber & Lyft drivers in one room and had them open their apps.
We found Uber paying different drivers different amounts for the same ride. Lyft too.
It’s proof corporations are using secret algorithms to pay workers less. And all of our jobs could be next.
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[@SamBroadway]

I was a cab driver for 30 years in Galveston Texas... They had successfully banned Uber and Lyft or any rideshare program from coming on to our Island for over 10 years. When they lobbied the government of Texas with 17 million in donations Uber arrived with extremely cheap fares. They eliminated the taxis within a year because drivers could not compete or make a reasonable living any longer. Once the taxis were gone it was amazing how quickly the price of rideshare became more expensive than the traditional regulated taxis

[@LairdDeimos]

Good ol' small government stomping all over smaller governments.

[@Scootercorn]

Once you see this pattern, you can't unsee it. This is how they get you, me, everyone.

[@davidbeppler3032]

Republicans hate Regulation. Maybe if they were not in charge things would get better.

[@carochan86]

Taxis where I live are unreliable. When you schedule them they never show up.

[@janetpattison8474]

When I compared the cost of a ride from Uber versus a taxi, they were within pennies of each each other. So I’ve never understood the attraction of Uber or Lyft. Why does that make sense to anyone when taxis have always done the job without any problem? At least with the taxi company they provide the car , where with Uber and Lyft you’re using & depreciating your own car so other people can become millionaires.

[@MartinIrizarry]

I recently took a Lyft from Downtown Houston to the airport. The ride was 45 min at no rush hour. Lyft cost was $42, i asked the driver how much he his revenue was. He said $19. He also said that before uber/lyft, he was making $45 for the same ride, but now he was making less than 50%. Lyft didn't provide the rider the breakdown of the cost to show how much it is taxes, fees and driver cost. This disclosure should bee mandatory.

[@AutismoGamer]

Womp womp. Luckily we live in North America these multi-million dollar corporations and companies will keep lobbying to benefit their executives and investors. Money > People ↑ Modern era Motto↑ Money is our God and selfishness is our life.

[@AM-qv3qj]

Similar thing happened to me with Uber. They are ripping off drivers and people.

[@stoneneils]

@@AM-qv3qj So stop using it. I keep repeating the same thing..apps rip millenial/gen-z off horribly BECAUSE they can't seem to wean themselves off.

[@Rezin_8]

I always have my drivers.Cancel the ride especially in houston❤

[@AM-qv3qj]

​@@stoneneils lol you...I would have if they had not bankrupted Taxi cabs and Unions. What Uber & Lyft are doing is Anti-Trust millennial or gen z no one gives a damn. its happening to all.

[@dvdv8197]

“This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor." -Martin Luther King, Jr. Still as true as ever today.

[@user-ji2xk4tg3t]

100%

[@NuanceOverDogma]

Funny how this channel is guilty of promoting the corporate democrat establishment.

[@Corpomancer]

Corporate can see its been breaking trust but will always promise to do better.

[@ethanvance3834]

Poverty is the worst form of violence. -mlk Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. -mlk

[@garyish]

@@NuanceOverDogma how so ?

[@Anonymoususer-kz5xi]

The elephant in the room here exists with literally EVERY corporation’s practices: they are NEVER fined an amount great enough to stop abusing their employees and customers or for that matter breaking the law. They ALWAYS choose to violate their responsibilities because the laughable “fine” they will incur is a COST OF DOING BUSINESS. Profits outweigh all else without enforcement.

[@lifenbeta7682]

As a driver, what bothers me is that Lyft continually says they only take 21%. I know that’s a lie because I ask riders what they paid and usually I’m getting 50% of the rate

[@SL-lz9jr]

As a rider, a good chunk of what we pay are fees and tolls and mysterious charges. IF they're telling you the truth, they probably mean 21% of the actual fare, but not the total that we pay. Depending on where I go the fees I pay vary state to state. It's so opaque. Like what are these fees for????? I periodically ask drivers what they make so I can account for that in my tip. And I try to get the lowest fare possible so I can tip the driver more. It's frustrating all around because for me I want to make sure the drivers are paid fairly and can make a living wage. I regularly tip a lot and take into account the total time of the ride from when the driver is coming to me to after they drop me off. I also factor in if I'm being picked up or dropped off in a remote area where they may not be able to get another fare right away. It's annoying because I don't want to have to do math and these companies should just charge the correct fare to begin with and pay you guys fairly to begin with. And let's face it, most riders don't tip well. I have to teach my friends to tip better. People say they can't afford it, but then I say don't use a service if you can't afford to pay fair wages. 🤷‍♀️

[@Jabid21]

What these apps charge passengers is arbitrary and is controlled by algorithm. But driver’s pay is very low and is based on the time and distance driven. Drivers on average bring in 0.70-0.80 per mile driven and 0.20-0.30 per minute. After expenses the most drivers can profit is maybe 0.10 per mile driven with a passenger and that is on a good day. If the day is bad and considering the need to deadhead (i.e. driving around without a fare) drivers do end up losing money. So yeah, it’s not a good business model whether the drivers work part time or full time.

[@simpletongeek]

I assume they mean 29% taxes and other expenses. 21% for them. 50% for you. What should happen is they should take 30% and the rest to you. Any surcharge (such as fuel) should be 100% to you.

[@danielessex2162]

Uber does the same shit but I have seen them take as much as 39.8%. At the end of the week they send a "break down" which is basically you made this much and we took this percentage. Whether or not what they took is true I couldn't tell you but I do know that one ride I did the rider was charged $38 and My end trip result was $21 (and some change on both of those numbers) but they said the only took 22% that week. It was when I first started and I was worked one night that week for like an hour.

[@lostbutfreesoul]

@@Jabid21 Yeah... and they lie to new drivers about all of that. Claiming you will get a lot more then .10 a mile.....

[@g2gris29]

As an ex-Uber & Lyft driver, these are NOT the way to make extra money. Unless you can travel back in time to being one of the first drivers OR the pandemic. Otherwise, you are being ROBBED! FIND ANOTHER WAY!

[@entezami777]

Agreed

[@johnroberts3824]

Exactly. If a person just wants a few spending dollars and they love the work, then stick with it. But for the vast majority of drivers, they are trying to earn money to live on. For them, the job should be viewed as temporary while they work towards something better. Trying to make a career of it is a bad bad idea. Same goes for Amazon drivers.

[@shawnpitman876]

As a member of society who saw this coming years ago, F you, you ruined society. We had better services before, then you leeches swarmed the market with your low rates and drove every business that ACTUALLY PAID A DECENT WAGE out of business.

[@hemiedwards217]

yep. just watched a video produced by an organizing supporting unionization in the United States and they found that Uber and Lyft are deliberately extracting profits from drivers and passengers through algorithmic discrimination.

[@Praisethesunson]

​@@johnroberts3824these apps literally pay the people trying to earn money to live on less. The app is an automated exploitation machine

[@marinaferreira7866]

As a former driver, I have seen first hand the average dollar per mile fall drastically over time while at the same time expenses like gas, insurance and repairs have been increasing steadily. It got to a point where I was simply at times paying to drive people to their destinations. It was demoralizing. I no longer drive for Uber or Lyft. These companies are exploiting drivers for their own massive profits.

[@marinaferreira7866]

Not to mention the prices for consumers are higher, however the drivers are not seeing any increase. They are squeezing us on both sides. Boycott Uber and Lyft!

[@sunandsage]

I used to be an Uber driver too. I ended up quitting cuz I found I was putting too much of my "profits" back into the tank.

[@providenceartdesign]

Literally in 5 months

[@sheadoolittle]

I drive for both Uber and Lyft, but very infrequently because it usually isn’t worth my effort. The original business model was really good for everyone as the prices were below cost and the wages paid were above cost being covered by venture capital investments. They are businesses trying to make money. They finally are making money. However, it’s seems they can only make money by being very predatory. Time to vote with your wallet and stop using them and drivers need to stop driving and taking crappy rides and only go out for high traffic times.

[@dissident112]

The problem is people choose to take these jobs. If they wouldn't overpay for homes and take garbage paying jobs we could change the system. People basically volunteer for indentured servitude. QUIT THE MUPPIN JOB! Why are home price to income ratios at record levels? Who's buying these houses? Idiots? You want both people to have to work full time with overtime to afford to live? Are you out of your mind? Who's driving for these companies who are taking half your fare? Why do you do it? Are you just bored and willing to give your time away to corporations for basically nothing?

[@DetroitMetroRetro]

Independent journalism is the life blood of America

[@Whatever-gx3un]

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[@RaysNewLife]

😂😂😂😂 are you implying this channel is independent media 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Ya and the DNC rally is packed 😂😂😂

[@laanaa26]

Hell yea

[@Drew_Hurst]

The new censorship laws don't apply to mainstream legacy media, or govts, only to everyday People, and Those whose truth destroys the lies of the narratives.

[@josiah1311]

​@@RaysNewLife Go away, schizo.

[@baronhelius4596]

I drove for Lyft and Uber for close to five years but gave it up a year ago. Upfront pricing was the death knell for me. It just wasn’t economically feasible anymore. The costs of gas, the beating it put on my car, my time, etc. Not to mention the safety issues. Unlike passengers, us drivers have no idea who’s getting into our back seat!? Often the names are made up and people share accounts . I show up to pick up Linda and some 6’5 guy with a beard shows up. Lyft started making deals with medical insurance companies for us to practically do medical transport! All of a sudden somebody who just got out of the hospital with seeping wounds, broken legs or worse tries getting in the car. For $6 im supposed to deal with blood, wheelchairs, vomit, people who just had surgery!? Im supposed to help them into and out of a wheelchair and then wheel them into their house?? I am not a qualified medical person nor is my vehicle equipped for this stuff. But thats the greed of these rideshare companies. While they rake in the $$ from the comfort of their air conditioned offices us drivers are in the trenches.

[@raymondkidwell7135]

They charge customers through the nose. It’s $20 to go a couple miles down the street walking distance. A real ride is like $60 more expensive than a cab now that they put cabs out of business. The driver gets like $5 out of that $20. Yet I’ve seen people offer Uber drivers money to drive them somewhere like not through the app and the driver won’t take it he’s afraid he’ll get “fired”. I told him that’s the only way you will make decent money is cutting out the middle man.

[@TheCurtisnixon]

dont' get me wrong, but the 2 things. 1. many times I have called a cab for someone else, or paid for one for someone else. Just because someone else gets into your ride, doesn't make the ride any less valid. Besides, if there is a problem, well, then you have a remedy. If you were driving cab, you wouldn't. 2. how many hospital trips on average? And how many of those are you dealing with bs? I know it's less than 1%. I also know you don't need to have any medical background to help someone in and out of your vehicle. There are absolutely valid issues with rideshare companies. But neither of these 2 situtations are the issue. Both of these examples, only show your disdain for people.

[@baronhelius4596]

@@raymondkidwell7135 Yup. The riders are absolutely getting hosed. I would take private clients. But its risky. Not so much getting deactivated by Uber or Lyft. But not having commercial vehicle insurance. Which is so expensive as to be ridiculous. You can get Rideshare insurance with some insurance companies. But it’s getting harder and harder as most companies just dont want to deal with it. And if they find out you’re doing rideshare? They’ll drop you immediately. I had Geico for a long time but they stopped covering Rideshare. So I switched to Allstate. They are one of the few left who will cover you.

[@Thatone_Dude21]

You sound prejudice against big dudes with beards😮

[@silverXnoise]

I’m 6’5” with a beard, and I ❤ gig workers. That said, I use the name “Janet” in all my profiles and needlessly keep one hand in my pocket at all times.

[@AddyAdderson]

I was just visiting Europe. We called an Uber driver using the Uber ap. He was top-notch and easily earned a 5 star rating from us. At the end of the ride, he handed me a business card and told me to call him if I wanted the return ride the next day. I called him the next day and he happily took us back to our original destination. Same guy, same new car, same quality - but this time, Uber was not involved. Poor Uber.

[@peterpain6625]

I just hope Uber will never find out because they'll blacklist and blackball him from anything with their reach. He'll probably have problems getting a pizza delivered after they're done with him.

[@JustAnotherRandomPersonOnline]

@@peterpain6625 In the US perhaps (Who am I kidding, probably even!). Not so sure about Europe though.

[@kleop1319]

When my lady and I are in Jerusalem, we never use Uber/Lyft, we always use cash and through word of mouth.

[@chilloften]

I love him for it!

[@chilloften]

And you! 😘

[@youngaries8]

As reluctant users, my husband and I get different prices for Uber rides when we're standing right next to each other, have the same rating, same tiered benefits, etc. They should investigate this too.

[@nunyabitnezz2802]

If the price is agreeable take the ride. If not, don’t?

[@silverblue73]

Yeah it’s happening both ways so the company makes as much as possible

[@quiet_erp]

​@@nunyabitnezz2802 you think? How profound. Thank you so much for sharing your opinions now maybe let the grown ups talk.

[@SwampCritter-df4od]

@@nunyabitnezz2802 That certainly is one option. Another is to regulate price-fixing by monopolists (or colluding duopolists). They certainly used predatory pricing to drive the competition out of business (this can be demonstrated since they never made a profit until the taxis were gone, but now they do make a profit). That being the case, regulate them into the ground, or just take their corporate charter (they have no particular right to a corporate charter, as these are government constructs, and exist to make the country better for its citizens).

[@JakeOO7]

“Reluctant users” you just can’t take any sort of personal responsibility can you

[@jj-cz7mq]

My daughter and I were contacting Uber at the same time for the exact same ride. She is 20 years old and I am 68. Her ride was substantially cheaper for the same ride.

[@M_CFV]

Time to change your account's birthday lol

[@dvdv8197]

Greed is not the desire for more, it's the desire for more at the expense of others.

[@ai_robozen]

Well put

[@austinhernandez2716]

I disagree. Some people don't care if others are getting more or less, they don't think about that at all. Their only goal is having more for themselves.

[@BOZ_11]

Greed is just wanting more, where the point is simply more, for the sake of more

[@viscountalpha]

That's just it. It's not even remotely fair.

[@j.r.2184]

@@austinhernandez2716 Perhaps a better phrasing would be "with disregard for how it hurts others".

[@buddylee5712]

I believe these Food Delivery apps are doing the same thing to us drivers.

[@pawelhyzopski6456]

They do. What is not accounted for is your downtime. It ads to disparity. If any minimal wage job is looking to be more lucrative, it is time to ditch and switch. Not only it will benefit you, but will make those companies harder to exploit you.

[@Will140f]

They’re even the same apps in many cases (literally the same routing algos in Uber and UberEats)

[@walter2695]

@@Will140f postmates is uber eats too now. Classic, let me buy your name and now you are under our umbrella. Scam that is as old as time.

[@walter2695]

Anybody remember when these food delivery apps got caught using customer tips to pay their driver wages? Aholes would tell a driver a delivery would pay 7 bucks, and if a customer would tip 5 bucks. So instead of giving the driver the 12 total (7 from the app, and 5 from me.) they would just move my 5 dollar into the pay slot and give the driver 2 bucks from the app and they would still get the promised 7 bucks but then the customer would look like an Ahole that didnt tip the whole time. I think they had to pay a multimillion dollar settlement when they got caught doing that. So thats why i tip cash every time screw that.

[@mountainmandale1587]

Then quit and get a real job or create your own business. I did it with no money at 19 years of age. Hard work actually pays off. Try it sometime.

[@trappedoctopus]

Imagine being proud of an algorithm you wrote to screw over the regular person.

[@ianashmore9910]

That's every corporate leader on Main St and Wall St.

[@longlongdogg]

A technology company but the largest innovations are just a new ways not pay workers a living wage

[@advancedlamb]

uhhh yeah it's just some random coder dude, such people are in it for the money and honor. in the west no one cares about others nor do they feel any societal obligations

[@stoneneils]

Imagine watching this yet still continue to use Uber.

[@publicenemy1238]

Imagine thinking you deserve more from a job you chose to do

[@scotthodgins7975]

Whats worse and what many who haven't driven like this forget about is: the driver has to pay for their own gas as well, and any repairs/wear and tear on their own vehicle as well. So, not only are they making less money, they are also losing money with fuel costs, tire replacement, and oil changes as well.

[@dvdv8197]

Monopolies ruin everything they touch. It doesn't matter what industry they operate in.

[@NuanceOverDogma]

This channel are paid shills for the corporate democrat establishment monopoly. You will never see them talk about them, their super delegates that prevent people like Bernie Sanders to run as Presidential candidate. These folks are frauds paid to attack their corporate Democrat's overlord's opponents.

[@custos3249]

Edit: "It's not a monopoly" - empty semantics. Save for one. But we generally refer to such things with special titles like "universal healthcare." Seems to work rather well in nations that understand both how to effectively fund it and vote for politicians who also value such.

[@quanghieulee238]

@@custos3249 universal healthcare is not a monopoly, it is a standard. You can always profit in healthcare but it require better service than the standard universal healthcare provide.

[@garyish]

@@quanghieulee238 the main question is WHO pays for the “universal” healthcare ? Taxpayers. i.e. the 59% of Americans who actually end up paying something at the end of the tax filing season. And therein lies the debate. In Europe, a homeless man is everyone’s problem hence high taxes. In America, a homeless man is his own problem. It’s the nature of social contract each culture has

[@quanghieulee238]

@@garyish So the government is paid by taxpayer is different? If everyone think like that why bother make a nation and why have tax at all?

[@UtahDelaCruz]

It's clear that drivers aren't independent contractors UNTIL they start negotiating prices directly with consumers.

[@TheCastedone]

But you can't on their platform. It's about controlling the field.

[@brentdavidson1]

They can, don’t accept the ride

[@SpeedRacerXM5]

Uber is your customer or client!!!!! Doh! And you are negotiating with Uber and all your competitors....why should Uber pay more for a ride when another will accept less...how much UNER MAKES IS NOT YOUR CONCERN AS A COMTRACTOR OR AN EMPLOYEE! HOW MUCH YOU WORK FOR IS ALL THAT MATTERS... A WILLING WORKERS FOR A WILLING WAGE...SEEMS SIMPLE...I DO SEE HOW UBER THOUGH MANIPULATED THE ENTIRE SYSTEM UP TO THE BIG CHANGE TO UP FRONT PRICING.. BUT HEY BACK IN THE BEGGINING UBER TOOK THE FN RISK TO THE TU ES OF BILLIONS!!!! THEY PAID DROVERS VERY WELL TO ENTICE AND BUILD A CADRE OF DRIVERS AND THEY CHWRGED RIDERS NOTHING OT VERY LITTLE AND THEY LOST BILLIONS!!!! DRIVERS TOOK ZERO RISK...

[@SpeedRacerXM5]

Dont forget RISK!!! BILLIONS AND YEARS OF LOSSES AND COMPETITION AND REGULATIONS TO OVERCOME AND UBER TOOK THE FN RISK TO THE TUNE OF BILLIONS!!!! THEY PAID DRIVERS VERY WELL TO ENTICE AND BUILD A CADRE OF DRIVERS AND THEY CHARGED RIDERS NOTHING AND THEY LOST BILLIONS!!!! DRIVERS TOOK ZERO RISK...RIDERS TOOK RISK IN THAT TAXI HAD TO BE VETTED.... SEEMS LIKE YOU DIDNT GIVE ANY BACK TO UBER IN THE HAY DAY!!! TYPICAL BEHAVIOR OF SPOILED KIDS.

[@MrZakka1985]

It’s just a dodgy way uber wants/legalises more control/power/monopoly without responsibilities and get rid off their payer/employer’s duties, work/business ethics

[@costafilh0]

*DO THE SAME FOR PASSENGERS!* I bet the difference is even bigger! Sometimes I wait only 5 minutes, and then I try again, the price is 20% lower. This is crazy. It has nothing to do with demand, demand did not decrease 20% in 5 minutes, it has everything to do with abuse and lack of transparency.

[@fairoadiary]

yes! that happens to me too! i refresh the app for 1 second and suddenly the price is changed… like that’s crazy??

[@grizz6582]

A driver could be traveling in your direction. When you refresh he is that much closer to you. Hence, the lower price.

[@costafilh0]

@@grizz6582 This doesn't make sense. What's next? Charging for breathing?

[@costafilh0]

@@grizz6582 Even if that were true. 20% more expensive? It still doesn't make sense. But it clearly isn't. Most people don't even look at the price anymore, they just order, get charged to their credit card, pay at the end of the month, without realizing how much they spent. They know this, so they're trying to extort as much money as possible. The problem isn't even the price, the bigger problem is the lack of transparency, black patterns, and dishonesty. They're clearly trying to randomly increase the price and gamble by offering a higher price to start with to see if you're in a hurry, if you are, you'll accept without thinking twice. If you're patient, the algorithm probably knows you're not in a hurry, so it will lower the price before you try another app. Every time I've tried another app, I've gotten lower rates, and most of the time a lower rate on the same app if I wait a few minutes. Even in very dense areas where there's no shortage of drivers or customers. So it's clearly not a demand issue. The algorithm probably knows this too, so I'm sure it tests the prices and demand of other services before offering you a deal.

[@Whatever-gx3un]

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[@Prometheus_8706]

Expecting the federal government to shine a light is like asking a mute to sing you an opera.

[@JimBarcelona]

If wage discrimination is illegal, then algorithmic wage discrimination is illegal.

[@rawux]

Facts!

[@Chris-Brown-]

Laws need to catch up faster

[@patrik7141]

yes but it's not wage in this scenario. in paper it's just an company trying to find an another company(=driver) to do business with.

[@ibperson7765]

Wage discrimination is not illegal. (Unless on a protected characteristic)

[@globalist1990]

@@patrik7141but the other company cannot bargain...

[@AndrewMott6]

As a Uber eats driver, the algorithm actually dictates my pay. If I decline a bunch of orders, I’ll get punished. If I come back from a week or so break, it’ll give me delivery after delivery, just to get me back in. A few days later, barely any orders. It’s not a job, it can’t replace a job.

[@Endrushmi]

Yep. I have to "break up with and get back together" with these apps every other week to get decent offers.

[@stringedassassin]

It was never meant to replace a job.

[@rs660alec]

@@stringedassassinif you are working it for 40 hours a week, why not?

[@stringedassassin]

@rs660alec3 because it's not a real job and wasn't meant to be. A side hustle at best. You're either a troll, or you just don't get it. You're probably one of those who think you should be able to afford a home by working at McDonald's. 🤷‍♂️

[@Mernom]

​@@stringedassassin You shoud be able to efford a small appartment at thw very least.

[@MrJdebest]

What I've heard is that Uber pricing does not include the cost of depreciation and replacement of your car . This allows them to under cut conventional taxi cab companies. You think that you are doing OK, but you're slowly going backwards.

[@tylerk.7947]

Yeah, you nailed it. It can be temporary income if you have a relatively cheap car. But a career it is not

[@ohiasdxfcghbljokasdjhnfvaw4ehr]

that's always been the case for delivery drivers too. it's an okay wage until you factor in how you're degrading your car, then it's probably less than minimum wage. and you definitely arent making enough to buy a new car.

[@prnzali2010]

Exactly. You are turning your car's value into an ATM. Cashing out the potential resale for 15-21 USD per hr. In my driving market it's a ripoff.

[@here-and-there1071]

If you do your taxes properly, you can save a lot when you factor in the mileage deduction which is supposed to cover the cost of degradation

[@daleyfamily2179]

Then dont fucking be in Uber driver. God stop bitching, go get your hack license and drive a real cab them. Everyone always fucking whining about something. Fuck life isn't fair, never has been never will be its called human. Get over yourself and move the fuck on.

[@bluesky9093]

I recently rode with one of the big ride share companies. Usually I like to chat with the drivers asking about themselves and experience driving. One driver recently told me the ride share company will inflate prices when a major event is taking place in the city (i.e.: music festival, etc). He said ride prices may double or more. But the driver pay doesn’t change, all the additional profits go to the ride share company.

[@craigsawyer6453]

I used to be a bus driver. Transportation companies all seem like they run off the same mind set... that the employee is lucky to have a job, NOT that THEY are lucky to get a portion of the revenue that the driver earns through hard work and dedication. Very few "business owners" value the employee as part of the machinery that makes them the very money that is in their wallet.

[@lucasasselmeier7825]

Ik, it’s almost like employees don’t care about the business and are the easiest thing to replace 😂

[@TheFinagle]

Thats every employer, company, "profitable anything" in history. They are the ones doing the hard part making money - your lucky they share *their* success with you at all (no matter that without 'employees' working there would be no company)

[@MystikalSmoker1776]

Except they are not employees.

[@theredscourge]

Labor is a supply and demand thing. The elites outsourced all the manufacturing jobs overseas and let people hop the border illegally, and then the local workers are left fighting over the scraps of what remains, and called racist if they oppose it.

[@madnessintomagic]

Those same people will INSIST with their full chest that they’re the ones who made the thing, made the thing good, and make the thing stay good - even though they do squat after they spend money to start a company. They don’t believe those of us doing ALL the work contribute to anything, or deserve anything. It’s sick, but people go along with it. Just look at all the boot lickers commenting that it’s a good thing, when it’s objectively toxic.

[@chernobyl169]

'Algorithmic Wage Discrimination' has got to be the most dystopian phrase the 21st century has offered. So far.

[@LuqSkywkr]

But it is very real, sadly.

[@silverblue73]

A capitalist wants their money and more of it any chance they get, technology has given them many many options to do so

[@duncandonuts_gi]

Based on the billions investors are pouring into AI…what will come next?

[@ACECEE-gc2pu]

and its REAL

[@alexlopez5800]

Dystopian 😂 just stop using Uber/Lyft. PROBLEM SOLVED! FLAWED BUSINESS MODEL 100%

[@Othique]

I'm not a driver. I'm not even a gig worker. I'm just a consumer who cares - THANK YOU for doing this study! I think it's time for gig workers to unionize and start communicating with each other. If they all start working together they could probably beat them at their own game.

[@TimeSurfer206]

Other day I told the Uber Eats driver that I never saw a tip box on the Site when I placed the order, and wanted to know if he was making enough to make it worthwhile without a tip. He just looked at me blankly. And I smiled, and said, "No, you aren't," and handed him a 5. I wish I had had a few Ones to go with it.

[@johnedwards2433]

The whole gig economy is exploitative. The workers have no labor protections and, as pointed out in the video, most of the workers are not even making minimum wage. Don't get me started! Grrrr!

[@A.H._]

corporations don’t understand that they need the workers. without them, they are just a pretty website.

[@user-oz5xb9ed3w]

what did you buy and how much was it total , tip included. because it’s suckers like you that are using these services, losing money/paying more, for unnecessary things. it doesn’t even need to be a thing

[@frankiecarrrierivg03]

Do you know lately I got some order that were large orders in which the customer pay more than $100 or more and people are not giving tips

[@jimmyt3102]

What now? More lawsuits? Drivers get a $6 check and the lawyers get a $600,000 check? 😂

[@homelessmillionaire1]

All companies do this, airlines, grocery stores, Amazon, Banks, Airbnb, Ticket Master and stock brokers, lawyers, KZbin, hotels and Taxi cab drivers are the worst. These companies are getting BIGGER, BADDER and BOLDER. They're just getting started.

[@phat-kid]

it's easy to see with amazon. just search for something and change the way it's sorted and the number of results and type of results change.

[@SL-lz9jr]

That's not true. Most industries probably still pay similar wages to their employees. I don't think grocery store clerks are being paid different wages for the same work. Similarly I think most hotel staff make similar wages too. We've come a long way from the huge disparity between wages based on gender and race. It's not perfect but I don't think for most industries there's algorithmic wage discrimination. That's the issue on this video. If you're taking about monopoly, then yes this is an issue across all industries

[@marysuckafreechic9006]

This is about Uber not other companies

[@onthedre]

Same for landlords. I am currently apartment hunting and all 3 of my agents showed my apartments that were my voucher amount to the exact penny. If I started working minimum wage, I'd only have about 500$ left a month, and that's not including electricity and food. Something has to give.

[@TheVeggiekat]

Always book plane tickets from a free computer at your local library. You will be SHOCKED how much money you will save.

[@TheHavnmonkey]

I remember when Uber and Lyft first hit south Florida.... They violated every single state and local law that regulated "taxis" by declaring themselves not taxis. They did this to undercut the taxi market. I would expect nothing but predatory practices from either company. But, I bet the clock is ticking until another tech upstart comes along and just creates an app that only organizes driver and charges a minimal fee for the service... Allowing drivers to set their own prices and take in most of the fare themselves.

[@addammadd]

Ahhh yes, the mess brought to us by technology will be cleaned up by technology. Fabulous reasoning my friend.

[@Will140f]

To be fair, initially the competition was good for taxis and made them suck less, scam people less, and develop better ease of use (almost all cabs now take card payments, a growing number of cab companies have their own apps to book rides in etc.), but very quickly it came out that the only reason rideshare apps were price competitive with cabs was because cabs aren’t fully subsidized by dim witted and greedy investors. As soon as Uber (after more than 10 years of losing millions and millions!) became even slightly “profitable,” the rates lost all competitiveness with cabs and drivers (who were already being screwed) started to get mega screwed. (Edit: not millions. After losing billions. 31.5 billion to be precise).

[@renanfelipedossantos5913]

@@addammadd It's not about technology, but the business model. A platform where drivers are the actual owners and set their own prices is essentially a cooperative, not a capitalist firm.

[@rochester212]

So... like a taxi company ??!!

[@Will140f]

@@renanfelipedossantos5913 precisely. Technology is just a tool. you can use a hammer to build a house or break a window

[@acendagrowth]

"Control without Responsibility" Literally the mantra of Big Tech

[@PleaseNoMoreFarmhouseDecor]

Jeff Bozos lives this kind of stuff

[@Deontjie]

The Tec give the customers what they want. If the customers stay away, they will have to change their way. Same how Amazon is killing smaller shops, but people still support Amazon.

[@user-mt8pc7ul9g]

All these algorithms in so many companies needs to be regulated. These drivers are extremely taking advantaged on

[@DonHall666]

I really appreciate your organization. Doing the investigative journalism that media companies turned their backs on in favor of sensationalism and angertainment.

[@lpete2766]

It costs to much why spend money when you can just make up stories .

[@storungz]

YES!!! I also REALLY appreciate all MORE PERFECT UNION does!! One of the BEST channels on KZbin! Everything is always explained so clearly, concisely, and comes from a place of sincerity and hope. You all are doing SO MUCH to enact change in our society-thank you.

[@sharondalton7632]

So true!

[@sharondalton7632]

​@@storungzYes! Love this site. They are doing outstanding investigations

[@adoe2305]

What!?😂😂

[@BMRStudio]

What is total illegal, is the fact there is no fare rates displayed in the car! Who the heck allowed this happen? Meanwhile, regular taxi drivers, needs to follow zillions of rules, laws, exams, checks, reports, paperwork, etc…

[@djoverkin]

You're shown the price before even hailing the uber, at least that's better than taxis

[@brynna77]

You agree to the price when you accept the ride...

[@yourwifewasinmedms5137]

I’ve taken taxi’s and not one time did I ever believe that price counter was correct 😂. I’ll take under method over having some device that “counts price per mile”

[@A.H._]

as long as there is any tech involved, it’s like the government forget what’s fair!

[@jennoq1311]

But if you have a taxi company saying they charge so much per mile and a counter, it can be regulated and checked to make sure everybody pays the same and the company is charging correctly. Same as they do for gas pumps. I like that idea more than she's desperate for a ride to the airport so we can charge her whatever we feel.

[@iamhereblossom1588]

Yet here in California Uber drivers were propagandized into voting against their interests with Prop 22. My neighbor was an Uber driver and he said he voted for prop 22 because it would allow him to work more hours and get paid more. The anti worker propaganda is strong.

[@KarlosMarkos]

That was one of the most depressing feelings. Seeing prop 22 pop up, know it was going to be some anti worker bs, and knowing people will vote for it anyways because they were misinformed and it was confusing as fuck to read into it. It seemed like every website just described it the same vague way.

[@DanWrish]

It's just insane how people were manipulated by TV advertising into voting against their interests. Democracy requires educated citizens who regularly read quality newspapers. Democracy can't work with people who get their information from corporate advertising. Without educated citizens, democracy is worthless.

[@kolbyjackcorgi]

The idiocy of the people is stronger.

[@imnotarob0t1984]

Prop 22 would pay you the difference you didn;t make hourly. For example, if you work 40 hours and make less than minimum wage, they automatically add the difference to your paycheck

[@amandahuginkiss4098]

Prop 22 was a poorly designed law that granted may have been bad for uber drivers but it also punished thouse who actually had bargaining pwer such as musicians and artists.

[@rolandogomez4851]

I try to tell every customer that gets into my car the disgusting tactics Uber is using to take advantage of us. The sad part is that it's not just Uber getting away with it.

[@coachmcguirk6297]

As an independent contractor we are supposed to be free to choose which gigs we take, but we get penalized for declining offers. If we dont keep our acceptance rate high then they stop giving us offers, so we dont have that choice. They wait til acceptance rate dips and then start offering only deliveries that are 10+ miles for $2-3 dollars. How can they call us independent contractors when we dont even get to choose which jobs to take?

[@gorkyd7912]

You do get to choose they just penalize you. When their rates are low you penalize them by not taking jobs. They earn nothing when you don't take jobs, but you can work somewhere else meantime no problem. So you are an independent contractor, that's how it works.

[@coachmcguirk6297]

@gorkyd7912 penalizing for not taking the offer isn't a choice, it's the REMOVAL of a choice. Without the penalty we are free to choose gigs. With the penalty we are forced to accept them. Saying to get another job doesn't add anything to the discussion. We are specifically talking about driving for rideshare. When your options are to decline all the bad offers and make $0 for 8 hours, or take the bad offers and make $22 in 8 hours, it's not much of a choice at all.

[@gorkyd7912]

@@coachmcguirk6297 No, you are not forced to accept anything. Listen, if I hire a plumber they are independent contractor, correct? If I am hiring the same plumber for 5 years, I can choose to pay them extra as a retainer, correct? They're still independent though, correct? But if that plumber turns down jobs from me I can choose to penalize the plumber and offer them less money in the future, correct? That's how independent contracting works. I choose how much I want to pay and they choose how much they want to work. It's exactly the same with Uber. When Uber doesn't pay enough because of a penalty, and algorithm, or any other reason: just do not take the jobs. Just like being an artist, there will be customers asking you to work for free for the "exposure" but if you take those jobs you are just lowering your value by failing to assert your independence. If you're completely reliant on Uber income then you're unable to exercise the power of an independent contractor. If your business is completely reliant on 1 customer, that customer can choose to put you out of business.

[@Ryzza5]

Especially when you install m tell the app to give you trips in a certain direction and the next 5 offers completely ignore that directive. No I don't want trips taking me out of the metro area because I'll have to drive back at my own cost.

[@Fluttersniper]

CLASS 👏 ACTION 👏 LAWSUIT 👏 NOW 👏

[@jackstraw262]

Not possible there’s arbitration clauses for anyone who drives for Uber (or any other app)

[@jimby812]

@@jackstraw262arbitration clauses don’t protect you if you do something illegal lol.

[@nazgill43]

@@jackstraw262 Arbitration clauses dont stop the government from starting lawsuits against companies who violate the law. Arbitration clauses only stop contractors or employees from starting lawsuits in courts against the company.

[@pagandragon830]

Why? That only benefits lawyers who get the majority of any judgements.

[@shakeyj4523]

@@jackstraw262 Then the riders should sue.

[@thewebheadgt]

All drivers should stop working for a week to show Uber who's the boss.

[@galactichazaritos8306]

That will NEVER happen

[@willlastnameguy8329]

I drive for doordash, and there have been calls for this sort of thing before. It doesn't work because there are just so many drivers who will work anyway.

[@davidioanhedges]

No union, so no buffer to allow them to not work - but Uber and Lyft have enough to tide them over

[@thewebheadgt]

@@willlastnameguy8329 Yeah people who work on these apps are indeed desperate for money. The majority of them can't really afford not working for a week. My comment above is so dumb.

[@occamraiser]

That's what Unions are for. Now, how many Lyft and Uber drivers are members of a union? And what is the reason that the number is so low...... 'individualism and freedom'? Perhaps they need to collectivise.

[@christinec3096]

eBay does this too. It’s unfair and needs to be investigated. Algorithms are gaming the systems against sellers.

[@mubarizafzal8296]

"Everyone's life is ruined, but at least we showed the world what technology can do"

[@stzi7691]

Technology is not the problem ... the anarcho-capitalism surely is. Iron powder is also no problem as long as you do not throw it into fire.

[@davek1943]

just a matter of time before the bugs are worked out of driverless technology. human drivers not able to compete. technology eliminating so many other kinds of jobs and creating few new ones. no work at all for the majority - inevitable!

[@samiral-alami186]

As a DoorDasher, and a former Uber Driver, these companies are engaged in criminal activity.

[@Adileigh23]

I think you might be right about that. As a driver, I’m frustrated how AI controls how much I make.

[@MegaLokopo]

Then why did you agree to drive with them? What crime are they committing? People sign an agreement with them to drive for them, and other people sign an agreement to be a customer, what crime is being commited?

[@samiral-alami186]

@@MegaLokopoI am a caregiver ffs

[@azizadil709]

@@Adileigh23 do you earn more or less than before bro?

[@azizadil709]

what kind of activity?

[@sirheisenberg4459]

This video was eye-opening It shows how Uber and Lyft pay different rates for the same ride, which is crucial for drivers to understand. Managing personal finances effectively involves smart actions like tracking earnings and choosing the best platform. Building wealth requires good habits, such as saving regularly and investing wisely. Don’t shy away from financial management-it’s key to long-term success. I hope this info helps everyone make better financial decisions and achieve their goals

[@KatyaSantos-g4c]

Starting early is simply the best way of getting ahead to build wealth , investing remains a priority . I learnt from my last year's experience , I am able to build a suitable life because I invested early ahead this time .

[@Tanner-c2m]

Until the Fed clamps down even further I think we're going to see hysteria due to rampant inflation. If you are in cross roads or need sincere advise on the best moves to take now with financial markets will be best you seek a fin-professional with fiduciary responsibilities who knows about mortgage-backed securities for proper guidance.

[@mariahudson9939]

Could you possibly recommend a CFA you've consulted with?

[@Tanner-c2m]

Rebecca Nassar Dunne is the licensed advisor I use. Just search the name. You’d find necessary details to work with to set up an appointment.

[@antoniaribeiro8073]

Thanks for sharing. I curiously searched for her full name and her website popped up after scrolling a bit. I looked through her credentials and did my due diligence before contacting her. Once again many thanks

[@thatguychris5654]

Just boycott Uber and Lyft and find true private contractors or an old school taxi. When enough people do this, things will change.

[@BellalisDope]

I used to do the food delivery apps. If you decline the low-paying ones (the ones where you lose money completing the delivery) too much, they stop sending you orders. They want you to quit. They want to keep the idiots that take $8 orders to drive 30 miles back and forth. That’s $8 - $5gas = $3 an hour.

[@obdachlosen-hilfe]

Thank you I was thinking about joining a food delivery app, reading all this comments here, I guess its easier to go and cleaning office rooms or just window cleaning for elderly.

[@shawnabell7586]

​@obdachlosen-hilfe I'm a handyman and I deliver for Doordash. I've worked for myself for a lot longer than delivering for doordash so starting delivering for doordash I wasn't held to unrealistic expectations. I am a business owner I realized that there will be slow days and there will be good days. Mach's nichts. Just Show Up. You'll make money if you're washing windows delivering food fixing doors just maybe not every day.

[@amorgladiador8856]

Not sure why you disparage your fellow man in your post. They are not idiots. You said it yourself, the algorithm punishes drivers. So if they depend on these apps, how can you belittle the drivers. I'm so tired of people online being so blatantly disrespectful just because they are behind a screen.

[@BellalisDope]

@@amorgladiador8856 That’s because if they also refuse those orders, then that abuse will not exist. And if you are working as an independent contractor for $3 /hour, you might as well get a minimum wage job anywhere and you can make $15+ /hour. I’m not trying to be mean. But, you would be kind of stupid to not realize you’re being duped and you could do much better at any other job.

[@Simsim3e]

Uber isn’t paying us, we’re paying uber.

[@membear]

and Uber just provides the app, they don't pay for a car, no gas, no car maintenance, nothing and do not work and spend no time working like drivers do.

[@astrocomet7370]

They clearly take advantage of people and their vehicles , they should pay for maintenance on the cars and pay them more and give them benefits

[@t0n1ss]

@@membear ​ hahaha you are just like a child of 8... they can choose to work like driver or not... Uber is giving everyone this option to work with this rules... takeit or leave it, dont try to distroy it, if you do you we all lose this chances...

[@t0n1ss]

​@@astrocomet7370 hahaha you are just like a child of 8... they can choose to work like driver or not... Uber is giving everyone this option to work with this rules... takeit or leave it, dont try to distroy it, if you do you we all lose this chances...

[@VinciGlassArt]

@@t0n1ss Okay Bot.

[@timothymclain]

America. Working as intended. The rich get richer. The workers get poorer.

[@DonaldMerrit]

Soon the queen bee will leave the hive, the soldier bees will follow her for more royal jelly, while the worker bees are left to feed upon themselves during the onslaught of foreign bees. Kingdoms are like beehives. And for the USA queen bee, the hive has run its course and she's about to flee with her soldier bees to start a new Hive with suitably complacent worker bees.

[@timothymclain]

@@DonaldMerrit Creepy. But spot on. Wealth inequality is equal to France before the revolution. We’re too dumb to rise up. Surely we’re a day away from a lottery win????

[@amandahuginkiss4098]

Sophistry at its finest. You completely disregard movement between economic classes. I'm retired now and I can assure you at different stages of my life I was well below the poverty line and at one point I also made enough per year to put me in the top 2 %. Why don't you take a week off, and read some Thomas Sowell. You can thank me later.

[@Zsinj3]

@@amandahuginkiss4098 unfortunately this is a perfect example of the problem stated. you are retired, you worked in a very different time. recent studies, especially since covid, show that economic mobility is astonishing low in the US, meaning most folks won't ever see a change in their economic station for the better

[@Grunchy005]

There's a way to defeat lobbyists and that's to EXERT POWER over elected representatives. How? "Plebiscite ballot." kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4jMgZWCnLJ7ibM

[@Command.Prompt]

All ride-share drivers should unionize.

[@TheHistoryguy68]

I'm an Uber driver and have caught them many times paying me regular rate and charging the customer a surge rate. I saw that they left mine normal and tripled all the Uber prices.

[@Adileigh23]

I’m an Uber driver too. I find that I make $20 an hour no matter what I do.

[@tomunderwood4283]

I had an Uber ride to the airport once. The driver and I compared what I paid and what he was paid. Big difference. He gave me a business card and said next time I could call him directly and reserve a ride to the airport and cut out Uber. Win-win.

[@josephinemiller4780]

Except you’re not covered if there’s an accident and most riders would sue the pants off a driver. Where’d the win in that? Then insurance drops the driver. No thank you

[@luminatrixfanfiction]

@@josephinemiller4780 If you have comprehensive insurance relating to business, then yes you are covered.

[@gorkyd7912]

@@josephinemiller4780 If you're not willing to take the risk then you are indeed not deserving of the reward. Lots of people don't even own their cars, they lease rent or mortgage something. Don't own the platform, or the car, or the insurance liability, but still want to make a bunch of money? Haha, funny.

[@someonehackedme6024]

@@josephinemiller4780 something called faith my friend…… unless you need the government to hold your hand… what are you a (my lawyer had recommend I don’t finish the joke)

[@savannah115]

​@@josephinemiller4780I don't understand your argument. If my roommate gives me $20 bucks to drive her to the airport, and I wreck, my insurance covers her injuries as well as mine. This is no different.

[@northuniverse]

Wow I am SO surprised that corporations use innovation to blast us all in the ass. WHO COULD'VE SAW IT COMING?

[@ChesneyBrentwood]

But it's kind of the consumers fault. We shouldn't normalize these platforms for our convenience. We could make this go away.

[@Miner-dyne]

You can always walk. Or take a bus. Or here's and idea - buy a shitty car until you can afford better - oh wait the last big whinefest resulted in Cash for Clunkers, which crushed all the affordable cars. No one is coming to save you.

[@LisaRyanHealthyFit]

it never pays to NOT take care of the workers. Thank you to all the good drivers out there and good luck in your futures!!

[@dvdv8197]

I honestly think if you'd the reverse exercise (have 7 CUSTOMERS ordering a ride from a same location), that you would get even BIGGER DISCREPANCIES. Hope to see that video next. 😉🙏

[@monkhasheart]

where I live the range is from $8 - $25 for a .9 mi less than 10 min ride. To go 2 mi it is $25 - $45. Outrageous.

[@dvdv8197]

@@monkhasheart absolutely ridiculous and price gouging. Hope things will get better...

[@infinidominion]

I saw someone's screen shot yesterday of either Doordash or Ubereats and it wanted the driver to go 40miles to pick up gas station chicken and get 10 dollars

[@chrislewis4606]

@@dvdv8197 That was kind of alluded to when it was mentioned that maximum extraction from customers and minimal dispersal to drivers was sort of the game plan. That might be more for a consumer rights channel than a workers’ rights channel.

[@Jennith777]

Yes, I’ve noticed Uber consistently charges more for me to get a ride home than to any other location, regardless of day/time/traffic patterns. I can only assume it’s because they know I need to get there more than anywhere else. Gives new meaning to the saying “highway robbery!” It makes me so angry, I take a bus home if it is a relatively “safe” time of day, or make advance alternative arrangements to get home, if I can.

[@trumpatier]

I'm a taxi driver in a major city. Uber/Lyft started out super cheap, with their VC funds, and got most everyone to stop taking taxis. People got used to the cheap price, and now they've massively upped the cost. The crazy part is that people still are taking Uber/Lyft when it costs 2-3x as much as a taxi, believing that Uber is still the cheaper option. Uber/Lyft have effectively brainwashed almost an entire population.

[@hawkeye9793]

Taxi companies in my town in MA have way, way less custom than even five months ago, the taxis companies are getting priced out. I try to pay my taxi fare in cash, it's the least that I can do.

[@Remainsofaruineddeadcursed-d7t]

Taxis were a corrupt government sanctioned monopoly with huge upfront costs to start. Im glad they failed, they only existed in that form through government violence. good riddance.

[@YouMatter-UDo]

You touched on something I was just about to post about. People call for boycotts for all kinds of company faults, but once they get used to convenience they will keep using even a crappy company that rips them off. Too few people had a problem with these companies knocking out decent cab companies using pro drivers. Now it costs more around here for Uber and Lyft type rides than cabs. Yet many young folks stuck on using apps still gladly use the rip offs.

[@cristianandrei5462]

The problem at least where I live is that the price is the same but the service offered by taxis sucks. The driver always tries to take a longer route to get more money if you're not a local, they tend to drive less safe, the car is sometimes less maintained and more dirty.

[@barongerhardt]

@@cristianandrei5462 This is very much my experience. Uber/lyft has been a much more enjoyable experience all around; the ride, driver, car condition, user interface, waiting, paying, ... I would pay extra to use those. Even so, a ride from the airport to a downtown address with uber, right now, is about half to two thirds as much the fixed rate taxi.

[@chrisVNZ]

Some countries have already ruled that Uber drivers are Employees because they have Zero say in the fare rates.

[@mjinba07]

What countries are those?

[@chrisVNZ]

@@mjinba07 Last I checked, Uber drivers are considered employees in The UK, Spain, The Netherlands, New Zealand. But there were also lot of European countries taking class action suits against Uber's employment practices, along with an investigation by the European Commission. So there's probably more on the list now

[@Gadfly2025]

Want to be independent ? Put a TAXI sign on your car and list your business online and phone book

[@wholeshebang1]

There haven't been _physical, _*_paper_*_ phone books_ for well over a decade in Canada.

[@Gadfly2025]

@@wholeshebang1 it’s a saying like “ turn the knob “ they’ll understand

[@weksauce]

If you want to get paid the same, you have to unionize. Without collective action, you have NO POWER. This is not a surprise.

[@benlap1977]

"Dynamic Pricing" is absolutely dystopian.

[@Dennis-xj8nh]

So you are willing to work at night for the same wage, or during the holidays? 😂

[@h.neubert8770]

@Dennis-xj8nh Dont be naive you can have a higher rate for night. Just not dynamic

[@benlap1977]

Dynamic pricing is the capacity for big corporations to modify the price you pay to buy stuff based on an immense amount of information and immense processing power in real time in order to charge the maximum they can charge. The price of items is different from individuals to individual based on their browsing behaviour. Imagine a shop with cameras everywhere that can track you, recognise how you feel, what car you drive and how expensive are your clothes. Based on this, the price label changes as you get near an item and will different for the next shopper. So if you come in on a rush, bee line for one item and drive an expensive car, they crank up the price... That's dynamic pricing. It's done online already. It's coming to you in physical shop. Easy to foresee the big problems it could cause and the potential for abuse. And the stress and anxiety it could generate if you happen to be priced more. Imagine for a bit... You go in the shop with friends. You get priced more than them... What will be the psychological impact? Or you want to budget yourself and pay more than yesterday, and charged more than planned, when you get to the till. Nothing to do with variable rates of pay, which are known in advance, follow clear rules set in the employment contracts.

[@alpha.gamma.dingdong]

it's absolutely how you would run an unprofitable business.

[@alpha.gamma.dingdong]

@@benlap1977 what's wrong with the scenarios you described? you never been to a market in Morocco? you beeline to some item and grab it, they're gonna charge you more. You try to buy a house and make it clear you really want the house, good luck negotiating down. This is just how markets work. You don't need to be a big corporation to price this way.

[@Dr.Quarex]

Oh hey, corporations watched Office Space and realized they could steal small parts of every dollar at scale forever and also thought nobody would ever notice

[@manacast324]

From now on, if I ever take a Lyft or Uber again, I'll instantly ask the driver how much they are offered for that ride.

[@theclamhammer4447]

People ditched cabs and hotels for Uber and AirBNB. Now look at what we’ve got.

[@stoneneils]

Young people..not the rest of us.

[@WaziM6]

I do believe these apps were not meant for full time jobs. Airbnb was meant to be someone with an extra room renting it out to make a couple bucks. Not people buying up every house/condo just for short term rentals. As much as I hate airbnb and Uber some of the blame is on the people who pursue them as a means of survival or getting rich. And I’m writing this as I’m rating for a Lyft customer. The problem with rideshare is something I said on Reddit recently. The people trying to make a living won’t ever be able to compete with people trying to make a buck. I’m talking about the person who is doing DoorDash because they are $200 short on rent or something. They’re going to go out there and accept everything.

[@Dekubud]

@@WaziM6 There needs to be extremely strict regulations put onto those app companies and on individual that makes it illegal to do more than rent a spare room/basement and for a mandatory minimum wage for people who drive/deliver.

[@theclamhammer4447]

@@WaziM6 make no mistake… these apps were meant to undercut the norms and force them out even while operating at a loss. After they cause a market disruption they can then begin price fixing as they’d have the market captured and could do whatever they please. No app was ever designed to “help” the individual. Apps were and still are designed for profit for a centralized corporate entity.

[@dissident112]

Never used either and never will. Using single family homes as hotels and resorts should be banned. It creates this growing parasite class who simply live through accumulating assets, but the problem is assets have a limited supply, which means for every home someone who already owns a dozen of them has, that's a home an individual or family has to try to pay more to afford. Supply gets drained from this system by this parasite class who live strictly through investing in assets like stonks and real estate, and our crony capitalist system with it's bailouts and quantitative easing basically gives money to people who are already rich, and then they go and buy houses with it. Just idiotic policy.

[@kentalanlee]

Never tip through the app. If you have any sense of justice, tip with cash, directly.

[@stoneneils]

Never use an app, how hard is that.

[@SPQR_14]

@@stoneneils Why not?

[@gcro9206texanforever]

Drivers have told me they get 100% of the tips paid through the app. Is there evidence to the contrary?

[@nothingnew765]

​@@gcro9206texanforeverTwo reasons: One, it could be accounted for in the algorithm per the video. Better tips, cheaper trips overall for the future to meet whatever black box quota is set. Second: Same as any service work, those tips are certain to be taxed. With cash, there is more leeway.

[@cameron.t]

I use the apps but also always offer to pay cash. I usually offer 75% on normal fare and 50-75% if surge. Surprisingly high take rate.

[@circusboy90210]

Uber isn't ride sharing. it's an illegal taxi

[@evalangley3985]

Dynamic Pricing is the next milestone to this wonderful dystopian era...

[@flinch622]

The problem of an anti-disclosure system [dynamic pricing is a scheme of opacity] probably only gets destroyed when a rider refuses to pay/ challenges the charge and... gets arrested. Use discovery to beat these bastards with their own crazy policies. Sadly, a driver will get hosed in the process I fear, as the company retaliates so... a number of people need to hire on as part of a sting. What Uber or Lyft is hiding behind is that regarding fraud that touches a bank [as credit card transactions must], prosecutors face a floor amount [or face sanctions] which by default renders the fbi useless. A lot of bad practice data has to be assembled to crack open something in a class action suit... or [if we ever get a real AG again] a rico case.

[@Zsinj3]

I feel like "dynamic pricing" is a fancy word for "mandated shop lifting" lol, especially if used on things like medical care for your child. nearly any parent would swipe a bottle of pills off a counter to help their child, plenty could be left with no other option after being priced out of the items they need.

[@Grunchy005]

"Plebiscite Ballot" is the way to disqualify corrupt elected officials. Because guess what, when all the politicians are corrupt it makes no difference who you vote for, you're screwed no matter what. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4jMgZWCnLJ7ibM

[@Yashieyama]

I did uber out of curiosity mostly during the weekends, the first week i started out i was making a crazy amount if money, but later on as time pass, i was getting less request, sometimes taking hours, and even when i do get request, the distance takes me over 20 to 30 miles away just to make a 2 or 3 mile trip. Which wasnt worth it. Im glad i never made this a full time job, it would've been a horrible choice regardless. This video pretty much confirms my suspicions ive had all these years ago.

[@benjamingillispie5614]

I did this for about three years here in vegas, especially when Uber/Lyft was starting to get a foothold here in Vegas. And yes, I did make quite a bit of money in the first 6 months. But, similar experiences as yours, I also started to see less pay and longer wait times between fares and having to drive longer distance for short fares. I also picked up the big differences between what I was getting paid for each ride when I first started to do uber/lyft to compared to 6 months and beyond. The companies were taking anywhere from 45% of the Faire to about 68%.

[@homelessmillionaire1]

Me too, it was psychological manipulation and it's demoralizing to know you're voluntarily surrendering your intelligence to utter garbage

[@arturopuebla4924]

Man we do favor and at fist 1,300 a week now 70$ a day. Thank you I was wondering what going on

[@rockland2]

I started working for Uber when they first came out, I’m 60 years old and Uber was the only employer that I’ve had in my entire life that paid me less every year. Instead of getting a yearly wage increase every year my wage went down, I quit driving for them in 2016, it wasn’t worth it. All the drivers are doing is cashing the equity out of their newer cars.

[@chentallymallenged6687]

Even though Kamala's brother-in-law runs Uber, the majority of Uber drivers will vote for Kamala.

[@BonaFideWildLife]

That is on them.

[@LounaDavrielle]

I never use Uber or Lyft. Never. If I really need a cab, I call a local cab company. I never had a problem. There is absolutely no reason why only 2 corporations should control the entire taxi market. The same way, I don't go to Starbucks. There is no reason why one company should own a giant coffee empire. I prefer to go to small local coffees. Concentrated political power or economic power is never good for ordinary people.

[@MegaLokopo]

No one is stopping you from making a competing app.

[@musilicks]

@@MegaLokopoto break into that market would take an immense amount of subsidization though bro. Realistically, it’s infeasible

[@MegaLokopo]

@@musilicks Why is it infeasable? Uber did it, lyft did it. Also you don't need to make an app, you can just use uber and lyft for marketing and find customers yourself, and then schedule rides with them directly. You can make good money, doing rides directly for commuters. Yes it is hard, so is practically everything. Be the change you want to see in the world. People became billionaires before the internet existed, surely with the resources available to you online, you can do the same thing.

[@BologneyT]

​@@MegaLokopo No person may be stopping you, but practical reality is. Trying to do something like compete with a rideshare company requires a huge amount of dedication. Dedication, energy and money most people are putting into something that's more important to them than beating those companies at a their game- and that are far more likely to reap rewards. If beating Uber is the most important thing to someone, then yeah, they can try. If you've got "a day job" or even a hobby that's more important to you than that that you'd have to sacrifice to even attempt that, then it's better to make your point by taking a cab and avoiding Starbucks. I do like your idea of using Uber or Lyft to do your marketing, though. That's a really good idea.

[@KHETS_BROKEN_SCALE]

@@MegaLokopo see how quick the government shuts you down

[@paulgrieger8182]

Semi truck driver here. Was on a call-in show for truckers where a female driver mentioned her pay. She was making 40% less than her male counterparts. We all let her know she was getting shafted.

[@t0n1ss]

and you all asume its because of her sex... nice point.

[@mv80401]

This won't be a consolation but my wife is a professor from MIT and after she accepted a new position elsewhere she later found out that for 15 years she was paid substantially less than equally qualified male professors.

[@johnp139]

It’s called negotiating skills, which most women don’t have.

[@martinXY]

@@johnp139 Also, lack of transparency.

[@mv80401]

@@johnp139 Even if this were true why do you ignore the person on the other side of that negotiation whose lack of sense of fairness makes him choose screwing someone.

[@user-du2of3lh1g]

Independent contractor is a huge scam!!!!!!!! You take all the risk of being self employed with no real benefits while the glorified middle man gets their taste with no real risks

[@frankiecarrrierivg03]

Exactly just like with Uber new cr policy they are treating us like actual employees

[@squibbelsmcjohnson]

Never start a business then 😂😂

[@frankiecarrrierivg03]

@@squibbelsmcjohnson you don’t start a business with Uber you can become your own boss but there is a different classification us independent contractor don’t have an llc

[@Fido-vm9zi]

Totally

[@down-to-earth-mystery-school]

@@frankiecarrrierivg03 sole proprietorship is also a legal business structure, and a legitimate one. I've been a solopreneur for eight years, paid my taxes as such, worked as a 1099 contractor for a few organizations, marketed my own services and products. My business is real, even though I'm the only employee.

[@relicorigins3347]

I noticed one point consistently overlooked on these studies. ACCEPTANCE RATE. the more orders you accept, the higher the probability you will get more lucrative orders. Remember, higher acceptance means better customer experience and lower driving times for other drivers. All too often I find drivers setting a "minimum accept tolerance" these can vary between 10 to as high as 20 dollars" what this does is create strain on the network and leads to a poor experience for the end user and even worse lower wages for a lot of drivers as most drivers dislike accepting lower trips

[@RealHomeRecording]

I assume you have a job. Do you have a minimum acceptance hourly rate or do you get whatever your employer wants to give you?

[@drewgalvan8825]

I noticed this kind of stuff years ago. It’s like Uber/Lyft would figure how much I needed or wanted to earn based on my driving habits and it would “make me” work longer to reach my goal. It’s good for like a day or something to draw you in and then slowly you’re driving longer and longer and making less and less.

[@obdachlosen-hilfe]

Dont laugh but this is from the red light district. A friend of mine was - when she was younger 30 years ago- a escort in Frankfurt for Managers. She received at the time per hour 300 Marks which would be today around 150 Euro, which is not much today, but those were differnt times and 300 Marks was a lot compared to the normal persons earning 6 to 8 Marks per hour.. At the time this was exceptional pay for this profession in Germany, the Sheikhs still came and distributing Rolexes and so on. She wanted to buy a flat and shared her stories with me regularly with a glass of wine. She was very, very annoyed, that basically after she reached 7.000 DM (around 3-4K Euro) she was "blocked" from seeing more visitors by the Madame with some lame excuses. After this Uber video I was thinking of the girl and I am pretty sure, the Madame charged the customer more than the 300 Mark, so that the girl was ripped off twice. This was the "trick" to keep the girls hungry and staying cause of course their livestyle raised, spending all of their money. I told her at the time, forget it, if you earn double you would spent double and I was right, when she stopped doing this after a year she was broke like in the beginning. Basically, rich is who can make ends meet with leass then they have :)

[@benjamingillispie5614]

Uber sucks

[@NuanceOverDogma]

So does this channel for being corporate democrat establishment shills.

[@burnout_2017]

So does lyft

[@relaxationstation7374]

Here's a cute and totally illegal Uber Rider story! About two years ago Uber was offering a rider subscription service for a set monthly fee, I turned the offer down. Next thing I know, Uber had taken $50.00 out of my bank account and then there were national news stories about how investors had invested $250,000,000.00 in Uber's new subscription service. I reported the theft from my bank account to the SEC, etc and stopped using Uber for more than two years. When I had to use an Uber again they claimed that none of my payment sources were acceptable. Uber had essentially barred me from using their service.

[@slappysahil123]

Via Sucks

[@relaxationstation7374]

@benjamingillispie5614 Here's a cute and totally illegal Uber Rider story! About two years ago Uber was offering a rider subscription service for a set monthly fee, I turned the offer down. Next thing I know, Uber had taken $50.00 out of my bank account and then there were national news stories about how investors had invested $250,000,000.00 in Uber's new subscription service. I reported the theft from my bank account to the SEC, etc and stopped using Uber for more than two years. When I had to use an Uber again they claimed that none of my payment sources were acceptable. Uber had essentially barred me from using their service.

[@SIedgeHammer83]

Singapore's government kicked Uber out of the country years ago.

[@erkinalp]

Singapore has a very good public transport system though

[@patrickbateman1660]

Famously pro worker Singapore

[@Nelsonwmj]

And instead of Uber it got Grab. Which is doing the exact same thing if not worse.

[@Nelsonwmj]

@@patrickbateman1660 So pro-worker that it has no minimum wage and allows at-will employment/firing.

[@prun8893]

@@Nelsonwmj Communism was tried. It failed.

[@kevinmcd112]

As an independent contractor, my minimum wage is $0.00. If I don't work, I don't get paid. If you want an hourly wage, get a job to be paid hourly. "If your goal in life is to earn the minimum, you need to reevaluate some things in your life." -- David Rutz

[@MANKICKS]

We need to END private courts and arbitration. That ish out of control.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

they can be good if you need a speedy resolution to a case since you basically pay to have your hearing fast tracked and have to agree to the arbitrator's terms... but I agree that these things shouldn't be forced into basic user agreements. Companies shouldn't be able to set such a high bar for users to take legal action against them. If you're forced into arbitration, that means you have to pay for the arbitrator (basically judge and jury) in addition to paying for your attorney. And they know that most people can't afford this, so they can act with impunity, break their own contract, and we're powerless to stop them

[@doujinflip]

Arbitration was only meant to negotiate settlements between "merchants of roughly equal power". The relationship is far too one-sided as a legally isolated individual vs a multinational corporation.

[@SoCaliana]

Until we have more voters recognizing that more and better government services will cost more, it will tend to go the other way.

[@theredscourge]

The concept of a private court is valid in theory, but not if the court is solely on the payroll of one of the two parties involved.

[@Marisa.Lauritzen]

The first day I find digital price tags in a store will be the last time I walk in.

[@Bat0541]

Yeah that digital moment to moment price flux algorithm stuff that's been going around is crazy.

[@bidencrimefamilymottof-cky953]

Whole Foods has digital price tags.

[@Flooreus]

@@Bat0541 Now there's a scary thought

[@Bat0541]

@Flooreus it's not just a thought, it's a genuine consideration

[@daniellin1726]

Stores already have digital price tags. We got those e-ink ones.

[@iheartlreoy8134]

Ubers official response: we are so sorry you’re experiencing “higher rates for certain drivers proven on camera” rest assured we are looking into this matter. Thank you for contacting Uber support about this matter

[@tomp538]

Drivers: don't work for them Riders: take a legitimate Taxi

[@barnabasnanna6845]

Legitimate taxi cost more so nope

[@michaelbaysorensen]

LOL no. I will always take an uber

[@antoniodeleon9547]

As someone familiar with the software engineering space, this is the tip of the iceberg, guaranteed. Uber and Lyft destroyed the private transportation market with their illegal operations but because they were bringing in heavy revenue and greasing the right pockets, they were allowed to continue unchecked. The consumer benefit is miniscule compared to the detriment to society by their continued operations.

[@iggytse]

Ex driver here. At the time ai left when my car got too old in 2017 drivers noticed on average we would make $30 an hour and the algorithm would favour drivers whose hourly earning was a bit low. We also noticed new drivers would get slightly more ride to hook them into the eco system.

[@greenwichtree]

Drug dealer behaviour from uber, wow

[@TheTwilightBong]

It should be the other way around, the older drivers, who dedicated their time and effort to built a reliable profile, should get that extra money. My opinion.

[@lmeseguer001]

@@TheTwilightBong Their sick plan, imo is to lure an infinite pool of dispossable drivers into the app to lower their overall fares due to high availability.

[@N4CR]

@@lmeseguer001 Bingo. And with Kamalas brother in the pie it's never going to stop lol.

[@eduardodiaz9354]

They will give the ride whoever they pay the cheapest

[@bicyclist2]

Corruption is absolutely everywhere. This sounds like a class action lawsuit. Thanks.

[@firstlast9916]

You can always take a bicycle where you are going. Or walk, something no American ever does.

[@AlexGonzalez-ye9pc]

@@firstlast9916well duh… captain obvious the point is the easy way is this way and it has illegal practices in it.. please don’t be that guy

[@firstlast9916]

@@AlexGonzalez-ye9pc nothing illegal about offering work to the public. The public has no obligation to drive for a living.

[@localjohn3117]

⁠@@firstlast9916 what is your point in defending Uber? This video and comment are just pointing out that there is most likely malpractice going on at Uber. You’re right, people could just bike. But even so, Uber should still be regulated so that it operates at a level of honesty and transparency we expect to be shown in America. You are being “that guy” by offering a completely separate solution that has little to do with the set of problems we’re all concerned about here.

[@firstlast9916]

@@localjohn3117 Uber is offering money to people who don’t want to get difficult jobs. Driving is not a sought after skill. All these complaining uber drivers should be thankful to Uber for dismantling the taxi system that was much harder to get into than Uber. In New York, you needed a medallion on your taxi that cost 1 million dollars to drive a taxi. Uber changed the over regulated taxi industry into something anybody can participate in.

[@CashisKingtrucking]

Big companies never make changes so that their workers / contractors make more money

[@Board.Dad.Woodworking]

These uber drivers are starting to see how taxi drivers felt 10 years ago

[@iiiKingLongSwipeiii]

Taxi drivers have been around for over 60 years 10 years ago was farfetch'd

[@Board.Dad.Woodworking]

@iiiKingLongSwipeiii Uber came out in 2010 in San Francisco. My friend's grandfather owned a cab company in San Francisco at that time, and it devastated the industry. Cab drivers who were making a living driving cabs were getting fewer and fewer fares because they were competing with non-proffessional drivers who didn't have the regulations or overhead costs. Cabs have been around a very long time. My great great grandfather drove a taxi over 100 years ago in Boston (it was a horse-drawn cab)

[@scherzva]

Amazon often does this. I’ve found if I place an item into my cart and wait 1-4 days, I’m offered a discount.

[@mindyobeeznis]

These algorithms need to be public

[@phaedrussmith1949]

If the word "shocked" means "Yup, that's what I figured," then yes, I was shocked.

[@jamen3328]

Greedy corporations and shareholders are NICKEL and DIMING working people. We all have families/loved ones and we work for pay and benefits.

[@geoxeph]

taxation is theft, they take your money then use it to buy the political votes to get the muscle of law to use against you later.

[@dracos24]

Even moreso when you consider that rideshares are basically reverse-mortgaging your vehicle and making you work for the money as well.

[@cparker9311]

Then they called themselves self made “Billionaires” and “Philanthropists” when they evade taxes!

[@geoxeph]

@@cparker9311 taxation is theft, pls take the boot out of your mouth long enough to breathe

[@Berelore]

Must be hard going through life that ignorant... you have my sympathies.

[@dvdv8197]

Using such algorithms should simply be illegal. Make it happen, politicians!! 😤😤🙏🙏

[@dougm4160]

They won't do squat because the same companies are buying them out.

[@Vicki_Benji]

Don't count on any politician to help you.

[@custos3249]

Lol good luck with that without first getting voters to act in accordance to their interests rather than "he said 'Jesus,' so he's my guy." And with public education being in steady decline since 1970.......

[@lpete2766]

agreed

[@brendaalbaugh8927]

Won’t happen. Most are dirty

[@lvsluggo007]

I drove for Uber for nearly 3 years (2017-2020) and quit when the PLANdemic hit in 2020. There is NO WAY in hell I'd drive for either of these corrupt companies again. As far as I'm concerned, the ONLY way to win with Uber/Lyft is to NOT deal with them. PERIOD.

[@kimberlycooper4170]

Uber and Lyft are publicly-traded corporations. That is why I don't use them. Our taxis are locally-owned businesses. That's why I use taxis.

[@Magmon]

Australien Taxi driver here, the industry is a mess. I started when Uber came in. 8 years later … it’s still a mess. Uber drivers do a lot of cash jobs under cutting our metered rate. The value of operators licenses to run Taxis has been diminished to less than half the value. For the first year of their arrival they did not have the same insurance requirements as Taxi’s but took the majority of the market share. Our fleet has been halved as a result. My feeling is that they want to squeeze Taxis out and I heard the use the ride share apps to map the “world” so when driverless cars will be introduced, we are all out of a job. Using cash to pay drivers directly is another nail in the coffin for cash. This is 4 D chess and we all are the pawns! Like in chess though it needs only one pawn to make it to the other side to get a choice of power players that could win the game!

[@Remainsofaruineddeadcursed-d7t]

They are heavily corrupt businesses with government sanctioned monopolies. I get the impulse, however they are even worse because of that. Before uber, taxis were one of the biggest rackets in the country. And it was wonderful to see uber out them out of business.

[@SophiaAphrodite]

" They know you are desperate." IT is why ambulance services are privatized.

[@Trendkilla]

Got banned in my country for tax fraud. They are allowed back but has to follow all driver union standards.

[@IbbiAhmed]

What country?

[@Trendkilla]

@@IbbiAhmed Denmark.

[@fevsea]

In Spain we made a law regulating those fake contractors and companies that were threatening to close because they were inviable. They basically confirmed that the business model was based on ignoring local laws and basic worker rights.

[@ButBigger42]

I started doing lyft in 2016. It was awesome. 2000+ a week. They had bonuses and plenty of rides. Now you'd be lucky to make 1000 a week in twice as many hours and there's zero bonuses.

[@RealHomeRecording]

Ouch!

[@wholeshebang1]

Is this due to market saturation, influx of drivers, inflation, corporate greed, or some other factors?

[@ButBigger42]

@@wholeshebang1 a combination of it all. No one entity is solely at fault.

[@norcaldragonz1904]

I would love to speak to this investigator about DoorDash .

[@sabsab9126]

CALL A CAB! The app is on your phone - call a cab. They're regulated, local, and choose the driver. Call a cab.

[@VVVVV99611]

They're going out of business

[@GeorgeVCohea-dw7ou]

They might not qualify for a cab. The whole point of ride-sharing is that it was a low barrier to entry and no scheduling was required. These guys may not want such a gig.

[@medinadan]

That is exactly what I do, call me old school, but I like looking at a cab meter when my ride done.

[@XShrike0]

Part of the ride share industry plan was to drive the cab industry out of business. Once that mostly happened, the ride share companies began to squeeze their customers and "contractors".

[@sabsab9126]

I worked at the airport until just last year and there were always 5 cabs waiting while people would wait for their Uber? It was predatory capitalism. As soon as people got hooked on the app they jacked up the prices.

[@kaseywahl]

Wouldn't surprise me if, after this comes out, Uber's next update disables screen capture on their app for "safety and quality assurance".

[@307Yerbua]

I'm shocked it doesn't already. They already go to great lengths to stop you from using the app on anything other than android or ios, e.g. Calyx or Graphene. I'd give it a week at most before they do it

[@hobsdigree2]

You know what i think is worse? The fact that KZbin censors comments, so we can't have a discussion about this in the comments on this video. It's simply, "Just watch the video and trust it".

[@Exiled.New.Yorker]

I was a NYC Black Car dispatcher in the 90's, and imho, this is criminal. Its blatant favoritism by dispatch, regardless that it's an AI.

[@johnanthony2154]

I used to drive for these apps back in the day. As soon as they removed the rate card, I was done. I noticed that the more you drive, the less they offer. They figure that if you are using this for primary income 40+ hours a week, you must be desperate and offer whatever they want.

[@Junior.illinois]

@@johnanthony2154 💯 indeed, is what real happening right now. I definitely stop driving months ago I was making no money and almost end up broke and my car