Delta Airlines Flight 191 Crash Animation + CVR

Date: August 02, 1985
Time: 18:06
Location: Dallas Forth Worth, Texas
Operator: Delta Air Lines
Flight number: 191
Route: Fort Lauderdale - Dallas Fort Worth
AC type: Lockheed L-1011-1 TriStar
Aboard: 163 (passengers: 152, crew: 11)
Fatalities: 134 (passengers: 126, crew: 8)
Ground: 1
While on a flight from Fort Lauderdale to Dallas Forth Worth the aircraft crashed while making an landing attempt in thunderstorm activity. The plane touched down 6 000 feet short of the runway and 360 feet to the left of the runway centerline, became airborne again, struck a car killing the driver, crossed the highway and crashed into two water tank reservoirs. Microburst induced windshear. The flightcrew's decision to initiate and continue the approach into a cumulonimbus cloud which they observed to contain lightning. Lack of training for avoiding and escaping from low-altitude windshear.
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[@csf3lihao]

The captain actually did pull up right after entering the microburst, which is the correct maneuver to counter it. If they were 100 feet higher they could get out of it.

[@ShockWaveGamings234fg321f]

they are good pilots in my opinion, but been given a bad hand

[@sint5990]

It was the ineffective inputs on the throttle that sealed the deal. The F/O seemed scared to use the throttles and I’ve seen several sims where they input the correct throttle response and they never would’ve got below 300 ft. All good airmen, just a confluence of errors sealed their fate.

[@jennifercheung6464]

@@sint5990 ?

[@Tubulce]

@@sint5990 Mhm, may their souls rest in peace.

[@Joshuadgog]

And if they hadn’t reduced speed because they needed it like 6 seconds later

[@radtech21]

I have remembered and studied this crash for 25 years. I don't know why it resonates with me so much. Recently I was flying to Denver airport. We had to go around because of a windshear warning across the runway. Everyone else complained. I thanked God for doppler radar.

[@gelatinous6915]

Denver is one windy sonofabitch, Stapleton used to be even worse before they tore it up

[@herkloader34]

Doppler radar has nothing to do with wind shear detection. Landing traffic usually gives airspeed gains or losses on final and most aircraft are equipped with wind shear alert systems. Denver always sucks flying into and out of because the winds are always crazy.

[@igotnukes6011]

I was on a flight a couple of months after this that pulled up from landing due to wind shear. We flew to another city and spent the night there. I swear everyone on board knew the term "wind shear" and the only reason was because of this crash that happened a couple months earlier.

[@rxw5520]

@@herkloader34wrong! They use LLWAS or TDWR. After this crash NASA engineers started testing 737s with onboard DOPPLER radar.

[@theswissnavy2801]

It’s terrible what happened to them, but these pilots sound very calm, cool and collected and I admire that

[@pendejo6466]

Tank 4 I

[@joynerstephen]

I guess pilots are trained to fly the plane until the last second. A good example was Alaska Airlines FLT 261 crash in the Pacific Ocean. Those pilots were trying to fly that plane upside down with all odds against him. But, they never gave up on flying their plane. Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. I read that this pilot on Delta FLT 191 was aware of microburst before it was officially named by government.

[@fnordrabbit1156]

Yep

[@ChadDidNothingWrong]

@@joynerstephen You know technically people/agencies in a government don't usually name these sorts of things, theyll just recognize them (I'm assume that's what you mean though). But anyway, he actual term was coined in the meteorology community, apparently by a guy named Fujita. I think you're right about that Captain though...the phenomenon of microbursts was becoming better known by then, and they had been specifically blamed for at least one previous high profile crash I believe... I imagine though, due to the continually ever-increasing amount of air travel in the US, weighed in with this crash, it had been made clear that microbursts were becoming a top threat here, and that it was time to re-route significant air-safety resources towards the development of a comprehensive detection system...

[@liammay7756]

Sure but 1000 feet should have been an go around...

[@DisasterOnline]

This animation shows perfectly how deadly the microburst is when you're flying low. First the wind blowing against you makes you lose airspeed and harder to control the plane. Second comes the downdraft which pushes you down forcefully, and third comes the final blow, the strong tailwind, which makes you lose even more airspeed and airflow under your wings, resulting you losing altitude, or in this case, a deadly crash. The pilots fought bravely till the bitter end. God bless their souls.

[@tristansuria7180]

Yeah you lose airspeed but increase lift

[@sadenuttie2234]

@@tristansuria7180 decrease, it pushes down on the aircraft

[@tristansuria7180]

@@sadenuttie2234 i mean headwind increase lift but lose speed and tailwind decrease lift increase airspeed at the same time

[@aarontheaviationaddict3643]

When you have a headwind, you gain airspeed but you lose ground speed.

[@windshearahead7012]

@@sadenuttie2234 you have no clue what you are talking about. A microburst is like a faucet when turned on, if you fly through it it’s gonna pull you down, it has nothing to do with headwind, and no, you don’t lose lift with a headwind.

[@glassarthouse]

Five minutes before this crash my father and mother and my family pulled to the side of the road just after we drove past the runway on the highway. It was raining so badly that the sky was nearly black. My father put the car into drive as it eased up slightly. I remember the rain was pounding the windshield and he drove along slowly. We heard a huge bang and saw some light and sparks. We thought it was lightning. He kept driving and by the time we got home we heard on the radio that it was 191. So scary. It hit right behind us and we didn’t even see it.

[@AntoTheAvgeek]

I want to see your video where the plane crash,!

[@Xioverze]

@@AntoTheAvgeek bro it was 1985 you think they had phones?

[@TheWalkingMice]

@HE3A well yknow

[@TrollAnimations160]

@@XioverzeI mean they did but not like phones today

[@Xioverze]

@@TrollAnimations160 flip phone cameras back then were 24p

[@mustafa7258]

rest in peace fellas

[@officergregorystevens5765]

They're in purgatory learning how to avoid microbursts until gaining their admittance into Heaven... FAA has some cl ought there.

[@connorhilly410]

Officer Gregory Stevens there was no technology to detect microbursts stupid

[@Figgy_Tree]

@@connorhilly410 True, but the pilots still are incompetent.

[@plane8355]

@@connorhilly410 we know

[@DrKleiner0815]

This is so damn sad, because they did everything to avoid this desaster. Hearing those Turbines running at max rpm in the background shows how dramatic it has been.

[@tensevo]

Everything except for landing in a thunderstorm. It shows even the best pilots cannot go up against the force of nature like that.

[@DrKleiner0815]

@@tensevo yes. Did they pitch the nose down before impact to gain speed?

[@chemicalbrucey157]

@@tensevo I dont believe they had the same knowledge about micro bursts as they do now Im not sure but i heard this crash was one of the main factors that cause aircraft these days to divert when the primary landing airport has weather like that

[@razorfett147]

@@chemicalbrucey157 this is correct. The meteorological knowledge on this phenomenon was not as expansive as it is now. I believe this crash actually did became part of a driving force to better understand micro bursts and wind shear in the years that followed. These days that kind of weather would definitely get arrivals diverted or put into holding until it clears the area

[@jbetnar]

@@DrKleiner0815 no, the downforce of the wind drove the nose down.

[@sweethazeleyesjp]

My grandmother died in this plain crash. I never met her. My mom was 21.

[@maxiomaxiom6169]

I’m sorry..

[@visco1266]

Im sorry for your loss

[@shimijihed9257]

I'm sorry

[@zephyrstrains2842]

Those poor people didn’t know what they were getting into, R.I.P to all of them

[@kimber45ish]

My customer who is now 100 years old lost her daughter in this crash as well..

[@bjornlillpers498]

It's scary how quickly this went from "feeling good" to "oh shit"

[@KuroKegawa]

1:42 Jesus, that drop.

[@KoKMovies]

Basically the first officer reverted back to basic control instincts, when he said "What's the Vref?", he must have looked at his airspeed indication, seen it was below Vref, and then lowered the nose to try to regain speed. But, since this was a microburst, it took all the kinetic energy and lift out of the aircraft, and it just sank. Full power, less flaps, make sure no speedbrakes applied, and pull it slowly all the way up to almost stall angle and they might have survived.

[@topmech71]

I’m not a pilot but more than likely there was no saving it after the first impact because one of the wing engines was taken out after it hit a car on freeway.

[@ThatGuy-te9wh]

"Push it up. Way up." "Way up." "Way up?" "Way up."

[@gelatinous6915]

They had to over-rev the engines. That much throttle would burn the engines out if used consistently.

[@tensevo]

Just incredible how calm the captain and FO were right until the last moment, did you notice how quickly it dropped out of the sky? Microburst I understand. I would say not much they could do, but I would not want to try and land in a thunderstorm.

[@gelatinous6915]

The storm they were in formed in two minutes and wasn't detected by radar. They didn't have a choice.

[@gnnascarfan2410]

Microbursts were not well known back in those days.

[@stephenfortin9485]

@@gelatinous6915 storm was there, it just got really nasty really fast..

[@thatguy5915]

Am I the only one who was never able to hear the tower say "Delta Go Around"?

[@liamblackman63]

I think it's because it was just after the CVR stopped recoding

[@thatguy5915]

maybe Liam Blackman

[@MrCheddahcheese]

Theres a small delay on the recording so the last 2 or so seconds aren't ever recorded on every flight.either due to electronics all failing from impact or simply a disconnection from the impact from the front end of the plane to the tail end where the blackboxes are placed

[@Duhya]

The recordings usually go on until the cockpit is separated from the tail, sometimes you'll even hear a thump being cut off.

[@KOHF34]

whitemale The CVR ended before it could pick up that go around request. They know the ATC said it, though.

[@MamaMia84oo7]

Captain knew about micro bursts. “You gonna lose it all of the sudden”

[@acajaxcospan4]

Thanks for posting this. With the text, graphic, and audio it gives a good impression of the challenge the cockpit crew was facing, and their professionalism in trying to deal with the sudden loss of control so close to the ground.

[@BritanniaPacific]

When the plane first hit the ground, it struck a car on the highway that runs by the airport. Car was destroyed, and the driver killed.

[@mikegallant811]

Driver was named William Mayberry. Poor bastard was decapitated when his car was destroyed.

[@bertraminc9412]

All pilots can thank this crew for giving up their lives so we can save ours. Due to this accident we have looked at the parameters involved in all decreasing performance incidents and set a limit on what would have saved everyone in every accident to date encountering this. Now, once we get to those parameters we go around. This crew and these passengers would have survived had they used the parameters that were developed due to their unfortunate timing and the incredible microburst storm they encountered at the worst possible moment on approach. Unfortunately, they did not have the benefit of the industry defining the limit, beyond which it is not allowable to continue an approach. I knew this first officer. He was a Christian and one of the best men I've ever met. A wonderful family man. He would use every paycheck to feed the homeless and he used to visit prisons and talk to prisoners about Christ and what it meant to him and his family. I have not met a better man in my life to date and I don't anticipate I will. It is unfortunate that the good men sometimes get taken too early. Rest in peace. God bless everyone who lost their lives on this day and their families and friends. God bless you too.

[@alexf9381]

It's good that they at least did not die in vain. RIP.

[@markprange4386]

"parameters"?

[@bertraminc9412]

@@markprange4386 Speed, VSI, Pitch, Power changes that give the first indications of severe low-level windshear. Had this crew gone around when observing these first indications, this most likely would not have happened.

[@cowsgoloka]

​@@bertraminc9412True . But when take precautions and go around, others ( costing people) think we are fools or cowards / inexperienced to land at tough conditions. Even if we take some precautions ( saving money, turning off cigarettes bud in in a dry leaves garden ) at home, then other family members and friends ridicule us. Unless fire engulfs the neighborhood they don't see any danger from a cigarette. This world is no place for a gentleman

[@bread1828]

WHOOP WHOOP PULL UP WHOOP WHOOP PULL UP

[@soufox1149]

Is hunting warning sound

[@sexycooljulesverne]

WHOOP WHOOP PULL OUT WHOOPS WHOOPS I DIDN'T PULL OUT

[@greenbeagle13]

@ Strange Online Little Boy - Grow up little boy....

[@soufox1149]

@@greenbeagle13 LOL

[@themarkus05246]

👌👌

[@sambarker7930]

I've known about this crash for a long time, but I never knew how quickly it went wrong

[@NesthaFranz16]

Sound of engines High RPM really gave me goosebumps

[@officergregorystevens5765]

THE most haunting CVR in my opinion. Not saying the most severe or intense, but something about it really gets to me. Really cool you're showing the ILS glide slope at the same time as the other data, too. Thanks. Part of the creepiness is the older "Pull up!" recording I think. NOt sure if this recording here was exclusive to Lockheed or anything either. It seems like Trijets were cursed...

[@Hot80s]

most haunting? not even close to western flying into mexico city kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ-6qKyMiZKhe6M

[@janipt]

Dude this is little childs bedtime story compared to Western Airlines Flight 2605. That primitive screaming will haunt me forever. Never heard anything like that before

[@TexasMan77]

@@janipt Yes, I’ve heard that one. So awful. Reading the crash report, the aircraft hit the runway with severe G forces and bounced up, something like that. They never should’ve released that CVR. Nobody needs to hear that.

[@johnniendorf5948]

The Comair at Lexington was pretty bad, too. The sound of one of the pilots saying “UGGGGHHHHHH!!!” right at the sound of impact was very disturbing.

[@m1co294]

The überlingen mid-air collision, the DHL plane's CVR cut out just right after the collision but the Tupolev's kept on going even when the plane was already sliced in two. You could hear the pilots gasping for air, and the cries of the children behind them since it was loaded with students.

[@Figgy_Tree]

This animation was apparently expensive and took a long time, but it is very accurate.

[@jjessup703]

Thanks for posting, this is a great animation and greatly illustrates how helpless you are, no matter what the equipment you are flying should you choose to depart or land at an airport when wind-shear is present.

[@martintheiss7666]

dang that was so sad at the end. good thing that they were found generally not at fault.

[@Zoe-cl7eo]

Martin Theiss Only 136 out of 163 survived(152 passengers and 11 crew was on the plane)also one driver was crushed because the plane hit it And it bounced up

[@Duhya]

136 died out of 163. Not 136 survived out of 163.

[@DJWolves97]

Actually the NTSB determined the incident to be caused by mainly by pilot error due to lack of understanding of "evacuation" procedures for the given scenario of windshear/microburst tailwind. Also, by having the set mindset of landing with no go-around despite the weather conditions.

[@panzerdragon1121]

DJWolves97 There was no procedure for microbursts at the time.

[@DJWolves97]

NorthBoundWolf there was a go-around procedure and they were not trained and lacked a good judgment call to determine that it was unsafe to proceed with a landing i.e. the lack of a v ref callout and were not trained to deal with that scenario as he lost all lift due to pushing the yoke forward to regain the loss in vertical speed as said by UNK, "you'll lose it (speed)" he lost all vertical speed by dumping it all in the dive.

[@farr5431]

Flight crew and captain deserve enormous credit..recordings 30 Minutes earlier show they knew the danger facing them with the weather...the captain knew exactly how the plane would get pushed if it encountered the worst..and he knew the correct actions to take immediately when it occurred..they executed everything according to textbook doctrine and teachings at the time without a second of hesitation or panicking when faced directly with a hellacious circumstance..those actions slowed decent for 100 to less than 10 feet per second...if they had just 50-100 more feet of forgiveness everyone would have walked away..in the end they were defeated by an act of God, the universe, destiny what ever you want to call it..there is no shame in facing an insurmountable and situation with tremendous professionalism and courage.

[@diegosilang4823]

Even they crashed, there is an open field they just crash through could hsve been minimal casualties, but a car was in the wrong place in the wrong time and strucked and disabled one of the wing engines causing a thrust differential, the aircraft to veer into the water tank and did most of the destruction and casualties. Most of th e survivors are from the tail section.

[@cowsgoloka]

​@smf333Nicely explained, after seeing the lightening they should have gone around. More than knowledge, application of knowledge is best intelligence.

[@ELPJM09]

Once the first officer noticed the lighting in front of them the captain should have initiated to go around.

[@oxygen0069]

Yes but its kind of different when you're Actuslly flying i guess

[@gelatinous6915]

That was a cloud miles and miles away. The storm cell they were in formed in two minutes and wasn't detected by radar

[@libertytree3209]

Listening to good pilots, many of them trained years in the military. They were cool and collected. My heart goes out to all those lost.

[@KOHF34]

The NTSB ruled that Captain Connors, erred by continuing to approach DFW. When First Officer Rudolph Price said, "Lightning coming out of that one", that should have been a cue for Connors to abort the landing. The microburst that Delta 191 flew through later spawned a tornado.

[@masterchiefgtxable]

Yep, another point where the flight could have been saved is when the captain seemed to realize they were flying into a microburst when he requested more power the first time. Could have probably successfully gone around if full power was maintained and they attempted a climb...

[@Religious_man]

Spawned a tornado? What's your source? That has nothing to do with the crash.

[@KOHF34]

It shows how powerful that microburst was.

[@Ch3mG33k]

Not to mention microbursts don't last particularly long. I doubt they last long enough to "spawn" a tornado. Sounds like armchair meteorology to me.

[@MD88Pilot]

If I were the pilot I wouldve gone around. It makes more sense, If you need to add more speed consider your altitude and situation. Proper procedure was a go around.

[@hoffer54]

You can here the second officer (flight engineer) "I had em at idle" right before the captain says push em up (full throttle).

[@procksomaterman]

can you put a time stamp? I don't hear it

[@joannefolan9329]

hoffer54 i

[@kg5radio716]

30 Years to the day, only 10 days later JAL 123 would happen.

[@70MarYa]

Thats disturbing

[@martintheiss7666]

JAL resulted in the airline chief mechanic gutting his midsection with a carving knife in a traditional rite of suicide. It was not a microburst.

[@martintheiss7666]

JAL 123 was an institutional failure of oversight.

[@antman5474]

And only five weeks earlier Air India flight182 got blown up, 1985 was a bad year for aviation

[@BritanniaPacific]

Ant Laud 1985 ended with the crash of arrow air flight 1285 in gander, Newfoundland in December of that year. All 256 people on board, 248 of them American soldiers, dead.

[@TexasMan77]

I actually enjoy listening to the voice of that ATC guy with the Texas accent like a boss. Most ATC voices are usually much quieter. Was 8 years old when this happened and remember seeing the charred tail on the front page of the San Antonio express news. The words “windshear” and “microburst” entered the lexicon. This crash was even mentioned on “rain man” a few years later.

[@ACA_cyclone]

I am Surprised how the voice recorder never got destroyed

[@Ben-bb7mi]

doppler radar has ensured this won't happen again.

[@YlmazDALKIRANscallion]

It crashed because of *microburst*.

[@Zoe-cl7eo]

Yılmaz DALKIRAN no one of the engine come loose during it pulling up from the runway

[@rabbitweasel]

You got the wrong incident. You're talking about AA 191, not DL 191.

[@DJWolves97]

no, it crashed because the crew didn't follow the wind-shear "evacuate" protocols. They left the auto-thrust on which retarded the engine power needed for the evacuation of the micoburst downwind. They pushed the nose down at a low altitude to increase the loss of speed, in doing so, losing their effective lift.

[@YlmazDALKIRANscallion]

Thanks for the correction, guys.

[@panzerdragon1121]

DJWolves97 Do you have any idea how auto throttle works? If the pilots move the throttles, it disconnects itself. Also, the autopilot was disconnected when the pilots moved the yoke, meaning auto throttle on the L1011 would have disconnected itself.

[@Zoomer30]

Basically they hit windshear/microburst conditions. First you get nailed with strong headwinds which increases lift (more air going over wings) but hurts your speed. You need to push the throttles up and you need to know that at some point in the next few seconds that strong headwind will turn into a strong down-wind trying to drive you into the ground. When the plane drops suddenly, that's the downwind.

[@futurepilot6749]

I couldn’t hear the tower said ( DELTA GO AROUND )

[@Stevezftw]

Thanks for the encouragement :) I flew last year but I have to do it again this year and it's scary as hell with this stuff.

[@user-fn3lb3sy8e]

I think one of the most heartbreaking things about this tragedy is the connection between the two officers. Both seemed like such incredible people and true fighting warriors. I wish the best for the two of them in heaven

[@Wheninflight]

It's really weird how there's 6 different flights known as "Flight 191." There was this crash Delta 191, American 191, JetBlue 191, and 3 others.

[@SomeUser9753]

191 = 9/11 you know. I don't believe in coincidences.

[@hugostiglitz4215]

SomeUser9753 there are no coincidences..would you board a flight 666 or 911 or 191? You couldn't pay me to fly on these screaming jet fuel filled death machines

[@H4nnub4l]

Regular Finnair flight 666 is particularly popular when they fly it 13. day of the month.

[@Peanutbutterlover12]

​@@hugostiglitz4215 boac 911

[@kobodas]

Shoutout to the atc for telling them to go around just 1 second before 2nd Impact

[@RaymondHng]

On this plane were Don Estridge, an American computer engineer who led development of the original IBM Personal Computer (PC), and thus is known as the "father of the PC revolution". His decisions dramatically changed the computer industry, resulting in a vast increase in sales of personal computers, thus creating an entire industry of hardware manufacturers of IBM PCs. Steve Jobs offered Estridge a multimillion-dollar job as president of Apple Computer but he declined. Estridge and wife Mary Ann were killed in the crash of Delta Air Lines Flight 191 at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport on August 2, 1985. He was 48 years old. The Estridges were survived by their four daughters. At the time of his death, IBM ESD, which included the development and manufacturing of the IBM PC, PC DOS, PC LAN and TopView, had nearly 10,000 employees and had sold over a million PCs.

[@ThatGuy-te9wh]

*_YA GOT GOOD LEGS DONTCHA_*

[@Adamalaysiaair]

Delta Air Lines Flight 191 was a regularly scheduled Delta Air Lines domestic service from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, to Los Angeles with an intermediate stop at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport (DFW). On August 2, 1985, the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar operating Flight 191 encountered a microburst while on approach to land at DFW. The aircraft impacted ground just over one mile (1.6 km) short of the runway, struck a car near the airport, collided with two water tanks, and disintegrated. 137 people died and 25 others were injured in the crash.[a] The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) determined that the crash resulted from the flight crew's decision to fly through a thunderstorm, the lack of procedures or training to avoid or escape microbursts, and the lack of hazard information on wind shear. Forecasts of microbursts improved in the following years, with USAir Flight 1016 being the only subsequent microburst-induced crash of a commercial, fixed-wing aircraft in the United States as of 2024.[7] Rip delta 191 (explaining from wikepidia)

[@tonyHern865]

his last word was "shit"

[@aqimjulayhi8798]

That feeling in the stomach must’ve been horrible in that sudden drop.

[@frentrup]

Live on the south side of DFW and amazed that's the last major incident that occured. Planes overhead all of the time

[@gelatinous6915]

Also Delta 1141

[@herbergreen]

Looking and listening when the power on the engines was increased, it went up, but it also sounds like it was throttled back a bit also. Probably should have kept the power setting as high as possible. Also, when they were fighting the shear, the plane's attitude was leveled off which also caused the L-1011 to descend. I guess the F/O did this or the shear was just that powerful?

[@hoffer54]

herbergreen I caught that also, I think the second officer said ( flight engineer) "I had them at idle" or flight idle which is normal on approach using power to adjust the for glide slope. These poor guys did not have a chance with that down burst.

[@Wyklepheph]

I think it was hit by a microburst. At about 1:22 pay attention to the altimeter. They stop gliding downwards. I suspect this is when they hit the strong headwinds, then around 1:38 they start to drop rapidly due to strong downward force. I guess they didn't have enough time to increase airspeed before the tailwinds made it utterly impossible to gain lift again... If they even made it to the tailwinds.

[@Vortigan07]

Truly terrifying how rapidly that all hit them! I always remember seeing one documentary from back in the 90's where they'd programmed a simulator with exact same data from the recorder and got a Delta training captain to fly it. That really brought home the seemingly impossible situation that 191's flight crew suddenly found themselves in. RIP all who lost their lives 🌹

[@KobiHameed]

*130 people die to a microburst and a water tank* ATC: go around

[@HoosierIUSB]

Burning question for me is how many more people would have survived if the plane had not hit the water tanks? In other words, if where they landed had no obstacles. Would more people have survived? Everyone?

[@antman5474]

Possibly but it's difficult to know for sure. The survivors sat in the tail section and I'm not sure if that part of the plane broke off when it bounced or when it hit the water tank. It's worth thinking about though.

[@sulphurous2656]

I think everyone would have survived.

[@gelatinous6915]

If it wasn't for the tower, they would have been able to pull back up and hopefully go around.

[@gamma_dablam]

The killer was the water tanks for sure. Also ... it's slightly unfortunate phrasing to call that a "burning question"

[@revokdaryl1]

So, the sound of the first impact was the sound of engine 1 hitting the Toyota Celica driven by Bill Mayberry? The second impact must have been when they collided with the water tanks.

[@69JONESYrugby]

I was 15 in Trinity High School Euless TX (bordering the airport)...I always remember people blaming the crash on "downshear"......

[@davecody4326]

We took KDFW -TV live for hours afterward in Austin

[@ericadender4069]

This one was crazy because the first officer was landing but the captain knew right away the were about to enter a down draft. This crash is why they have wind sheer alerts now because it happens so fast with little warning but still this guy knew right away what was about to happen. Even if he'd been flying I don't think it would of mattered they were too low to recover but those instincts are crazy to learn about. I'd bet my life he was ex military the good ones tend to always be

[@jbrian80]

@pcmiler2000 You're wrong. NTSB Blamed both the crew and Delta Airlines. NTSB concluded that the Delta Airlines did not provide their crew enough training.

[@gelatinous6915]

The NTSB was spouting accusations to cover their own asses about their lack of action on windshear. Ed Conners had 30,000 hours of experience.

[@kreeegg2001]

That Texas accent tho'

[@masonm1124]

Nathaniel Authentic, too. Some people think texas accents are very cowboy like.

[@comercole1940]

@Philip S yup

[@kewkabe]

They hit water tanks at the end and the three pilots died.

[@johnaddy902]

I was living in Grapevine at the time on my way home from work. There was water all over the road because the jet clipped the water tank. The wreckage was very close to the road. The plane clipped the Marriott and came down briefly on Hwy 114 crushing a car. Made me sick

[@roberthones]

Hell of a thing to watch. RIP.

[@hellzone100]

"Oh shit"

[@dmimcg]

The elements won that day. They should have gone around when the saw lightning coming out of the clouds in front of them.

[@gelatinous6915]

It was a Tristar, those things could self-land in thunderstorms.

[@lochwharral]

Great plane. I don't ever recall an L-1011accident, (with fatalities) that was caused by mechanical failure or design characteristic.

[@phillipngo2133]

lochwharral there was a time where the l1011 landing gear light was burnt out but then again, it was pilot error

[@gelatinous6915]

@@phillipngo2133 Yep, none of them were acctually flying the plane. They all left the cockpit and the plane crashed.

[@evilassaultweaponeer]

Damn, I didn't realize they came so close to getting out of it. RIP

[@kystxbythx2279]

Such a sad time... I used to go to this airport all the time

[@Zoe-cl7eo]

taby lowrimore only 136 out of 163 survived(152 passengers and 11 crew)also one driver was crushed because the plane hit it And bounced off

[@cfl737sim]

@airplanegod The Twr controller is requesting DL191 to fly the missed approach (go-around break off the landing and fly the published missed approach) but it was too late the aircraft already impacted the ground.

[@ydnarramalliuq1077]

This is why you never go to Microburst...

[@COD04MW]

That's Horrible To Hear That Their Last Words Are All "OH SHIT!"

[@allorfallusmc7963]

Sad his last words to his son was go away.

[@fireabyss5147]

How do you know

[@allorfallusmc7963]

@@fireabyss5147 you hear him say it.

[@abernabeh]

1:57 UNK: Sh*t Speaker:pull u- **plane crashes into water tank**

[@alparkranger]

What I find amazing is how many empty seats (thankfully) were on the plane. I'm old enough to remember when you'd take planes that were half full. Not sure I remember last time that was the case.

[@daybreakgray3452]

is it because more people are flying nowadays?

[@gottalilrazzledazzle]

I fell so scared for flying at DFW Airport I live a couple minutes away from it

[@PengembaraBiruMinecraft]

01:45 Whoop Whoop Pull Up!

[@christianjones4042]

Worst part is, a fireball tied through the left hand side so some passengers I clipped their belt and were sucked out to their deaths, whilst others stayed put and were burned alive to being covered in fuel. Horrible deaths

[@bonzobonanza]

Poor pilots. They did everything they can to stop the plane from losing control :(

[@Winglet520]

@airplanegod the tower controller probably saw that they were not on a stable approach path to the runway and instructed them to abort their landing.

[@MrWolfSnack]

Just FYI, this is the lone ground casualty, the driver of the car that was clipped by the plane: dallasnews.imgix.net/NM_10DELTACRASH6_3529630.jpg

[@wizardmix]

He died on his birthday.

[@antman5474]

what car is that?

[@Joshuadgog]

If you watch the mayday air disaster video it tells that they were so close to actually saving the plane but it was too low to avoid the microburst. If the pilot never reduced speed they would have probably survived

[@ual744]

@StormFlicks Because microburst push the aircraft down, it doesn't affect the aircraft's forward momentum.

[@thereisnoahscape3303]

Sad thing is right when it crashes the tower tells them to go around. But it was already too late

[@davidcallahan3099]

Listen how fast things can go terribly wrong

[@Plis67]

I gave u credit for the aduio i used the vid

[@g2macs]

Apparently they managed to pull the aircraft out of the down draft but were sucker punched by an extreme tail wind. They just couldn't catch a break that day.

[@thomsonfly645k]

@sodakar yes that was the one i meant, iread somewhere that on the 707, 727 and all 737s and early 747s this was the take-off configuration warning and cabin altitude

[@AvoytDesign]

man, 191 is not a very lucky number in passenger airlines, huh

[@kinokii]

*D E L T A G O A R O U N D*

[@UltrawideBenchmarks]

A weather microburst forced the plane to lose altitude

[@Hot80s]

they had the best guys behind the controls, so sad

[@chewyismycopilot788]

If your flight is numbered 191 I’d take a train

[@fnordrabbit1156]

When I imagined how I crashed my Rc helicopter in a storm

[@1951RKP]

I remember this well. I don't know if this is true but news agencies did report that immediately after the crash there was some people that parked and ran to crash area looted some of the bodies. That was part of the news report the day it happened.

[@JustinLHopkins]

Wow, I truly hope not. That's awful.

[@jackhammer111]

+1951RKP That's not the kind of thing you should repeat unless you can source it. You're just being a gossipmogner.

[@1951RKP]

***** --- Carbon you know no more about me than I do you. The news media at that time did report it that way. As I said in my prior post I don't know if it happen that way or not. I certainly pray it didn't.

[@MrWolfSnack]

It's clearly not true because the plane broke apart and was engulfed in flames, there was no way you'd be able to get within a foot of the plane, and there's about a 10 foot perimeter fence around the airport. So stop believing everything you read without checking the facts.

[@1951RKP]

MrWolfSnack -- Look at every word Ive post about this and point where does it ever say I believed it to be fact.

[@FlopplesTheGnome]

That's right, there was no official procedure or training for how to handle microbursts at the time, and this crash was actually the reason that they training for it now.

[@ual744]

@StormFlicks Plus the fact that tailwinds didn't help that much either, as it doesn't produce lift for the wings.

[@HuskyKara]

TWR: Delta go around It's too late for all people on that airline , it's sad .

[@ItzBobbyPlayz_YT]

This was auctully 10 days before Japan airline 123 crash

[@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid]

It seems best to just stay away from any and all "flight 191" situations...

[@knethen222]

Does any airline have a Flight 191 anymore?

[@CarlosVirgilioAltOficial]

Is a not 134 fatalities. Is a 137 fatalities.

[@concordeaviation3051]

191 is the 13 for pilots.

[@caseyedward2890]

American 191, Captain Walter Lux

[@mgamool]

I was born that day!

[@PlaidDin]

Welp, no offence, but you was an accident. Get it?

[@mgamool]

I am sorry.

[@PlaidDin]

Mohamed El Gamal No, no, no! I apologize for that! I meant it like a joke, not like a 'ur purundz sx', NO! I meant: That date when you were born, there was an accident. So it just connected. But for sake of god, YOU'RE WANTED AND PARENTS LOVED YOU, okay? I'M AN IDIOT. COMPLETE IDIOT! X_X

[@mgamool]

Hahahaha, it's okay mate! No hard feeling and you are not idiot. Thanks for the very nice words :)

[@JohnDoe-pt1pk]

What a cute comment chan. RIP to the victims of this accident.