Mormon Prophet Calls Doubters “Lazy Learners”

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

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[@showcrazy2139]

I did...I love you guys and your content. I'm so glad you're helping people by letting them see how happy you can be when you leave the church.

[@Shimanchu2006]

Hey guys. Just a heads up that there seems to be some kinda weird cut transition bug happening at around 15:48 ish.

[@spencergellsworth]

"lazy learners" for ex-Mormons is hilarious. Ex-Mormons will drop detailed historical lectures faster than a professional reenactor

[@stephtimms1776]

The point is they are spiritually lazy. It takes spiritual effort to understand God. "The natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to know [them], because they are discerned spiritually" ~ 1 Corinthians 2:14. This church teaches the wise use of the intellect to get to heaven, that God answers our prayers through our spirit, mind, and heart after we study any matter fully ourselves and practice making good judgements first before getting confirmation from God. See Doctrine and Covenants 6, 8, 9, and 11.

[@spencergellsworth]

@@stephtimms1776 I guess I'm too much of a "natural man" to understand God's mysterious purpose in having Joseph Smith secretly marry teenagers behind Emma's back, not even following his own rules for polygamy.

[@stephtimms1776]

@@spencergellsworth I guess so. I only know of one such marriage of Joseph's, which was not consummated because it was for the next life. The natural man is easy to deceive, to influence to misunderstand and assign evil intent. Some fake disciples did it to Jesus when he spoke of the sacrament (John 6). The natural man looks for excuses to fail, but the better angels of our nature look for ways to succeed through spiritual hard work.

[@evebruun]

@@stephtimms1776 Maybe you're the lazy learner, he had somewhere around 10 sealings to teenage girls. Helen Mar Kimball, Nancy M. Winchester, Flora Ann Woodworth, Sarah Ann Whitney, Sarah Lawrence, Lucy Walker, Fanny Alger, Emily Dow Partridge, Maria Lawrence, and Malissa Lott. Theres no reason to think he didn't consummate with them especially seeing as in the 1892 trial 3 of his child brides confirmed consumption as to "not hurt the church". Most of them were given as property by their fathers so their families could be closer to prosperity and was not the choice of those children.

[@stephtimms1776]

@@evebruun No, I just don't believe gossip that is commonly thrown out. 1. Helen Mar Kimball age 14 agreed to the sealing and later characterized it as being “for eternity alone,” suggesting that the relationship did *NOT* involve sex. 2. Nancy M. Winchester age ? only two late sources indicate that at some point she *might* have been sealed to Joseph. 3. Flora Ann Woodworth was 16, poorly documented. 4. Sarah Ann Whitney age 17 5. Sarah Lawrence age 16 6. Lucy Walker age 17 7. Fanny Alger age 19 8. Emily Dow Partridge age 19 9. Maria Lawrence age 19 10. Malissa Lott age 19 Some dates and details of Joseph’s plural marriages are debated because it was kept secret because it was not well accepted. However, back then it was an accepted practice to court and marry early generally. Even in the 1960’s they did; Loretta Lynn was 13 years old when married and Priscilla Presley’s was 14 years old when she dated Elvis. (Also, though not a real couple as far as we know, the story of Romeo and Juliet reflects customs and accepted practices, her being only 13 when she married Romeo).

[@crashwithkirby6708]

“Don’t search the scriptures for contradictions” gives me major “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” vibes

[@Zia_l8r]

Faith is the very thing that keeps so many people lazy. I always told myself “I know I don’t understand this, but I have faith that I will understand it one day, in this life or the next.” And then I just stopped thinking about it. THAT’S being a “lazy learner”. When I finally started looking into everything, I became the opposite of lazy.

[@towardcivicliteracy]

Faith, in LDS theology is “an enabling power.” What does it enable us to do? Not merely wait around for an answer. Absent work it is not faith. At the same time, absent truly seeking God’s influence and help in the process is not faith, either.

[@GeoKnowLearning]

So well put!

[@danjokess]

“Study with a desire to believe rather than the hope that you can find a flaw in the fabric in a prophets life.” Bruh we’re not talking about a single flaw we’re talking about dozens and dozens of the most terrible flaws a human being can have

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

😂😂😂

[@Kellethorn]

"Don't read looking for examples of ped*philia, r*pe, extortion, deceipt, or murder... Read with a desire to believe that these things don't matter!"

[@iambuhlockay8007]

I had someone use this line of reasoning with me. Something to the effect of: “If all you look for is flaws, that’s all you’ll find.” Isn’t this the one true church? Isn’t the Book of Mormon the “most correct book” on earth? Why are there this flaws in the first place?

[@oceanmariep256]

It’s so unfair of Rusty to accuse someone like Tanner of being lazy. Learning to use that pole in his kitchen must have taken hard work

[@showcrazy2139]

Omg I thought the same thing. That wap video in the temple clothes was just so amazing!

[@TwoTreesVisuals]

I’ve been a lazy learner the last 6 years and I’ve never been more informed.

[@Mushroom_Muncher]

I’ve spent the past few weeks telling my family that I am out. I am an RM and so is my wife. We both have chosen to leave and not raise our children in the church. Thanks for the help getting through a faith transition. I have binged your videos over the past few weeks. Sending love

[@showcrazy2139]

That's awesome. Jimmy snow is another good resource on KZbin and hes been on zelph videos. I have good hope for you and your wife...those kids will grow up so much happier.

[@dustymiller8284]

Hey. It's a tough road but hang in there, it's worth it. The money you save in tithing will put your kids through college.

[@Kellethorn]

Hey, same here! Welcome to the dark side friend; we have cookies. :) Also, check out Exmo Lex if you haven't already and tell her Kell sent ya!

[@emilynelson9424]

I shared this “lazy learners” quote on my page with a comment defending those who leave and started a shit storm with a bunch of active Mormons. Wish me luck 😅

[@showcrazy2139]

Good luck to you. Try and let their bs toll off

[@Kellethorn]

Ooooof. Good luck.

[@mayritaysabel]

Let us know how it goes 😂

[@benjaminrodriguez6801]

Only lazy learners and lax disciples can’t see the emperor’s magnificent robe.

[@stephtimms1776]

He taught faith means we persevere even through lifelong challenges and even during plagues. Mountains of misery are turned for good through faith. 1. Study about Jesus and love him, follow him. Learn about Miracles and how they are preceded by FAITH. 2. Pray and practice hearing the HG, which includes following his counsel. Take doubt and questions to the Lord to received counsel from Him. Revelation takes work. 3. Fast - this takes work to master self. 4. Serve - Act in faith. What would you do if you had more faith? Turn adversity for good like Jesus did. 5. Prepare and partake in Holy Ordinances.

[@oboequeen22]

A thought on happiness: When I was in the church I remember not only being unhappy, because of multiple untreated mental illnesses, but also a large part of my guilt in the church was that the church teaches that you *are* happy, not that you *can be* happy. When I wasn’t feeling well emotionally for any reason, I felt that I couldn’t be honest about that, to myself or to others. Some of that mindset of feeling like you have to prove to the world how happy you are persists in the exmormon community also, which I’m sure in a lot of ways is a learned behavior from being in the church. It’s great to be happy and its also perfectly okay to not be happy, and to explore that and process emotions and continue to grow.

[@scrapbookaholic]

I never liked how the church teaches that depression is from the devil.

[@towardcivicliteracy]

Interesting, because you can typically get (and I got, on many occasions) access to free mental health care, through your bishop. I had issues with social anxiety and religious scrupulosity, and was able to work through it. There are certainly people who can feel that way, mainly because there is a strong correlation between psychological health and happiness and religion (thus, most people in most religions will actually BE more happy than the rest of the population). So, I can definitely see where you're coming from, and how that might make you feel different.

[@Richard.Atkinson]

I kind of agree with him. It’s much easier to watch your videos while lounging in a massage chair than to dress up in my fine apparel and head to the great and spacious building to learn about Mormon Jesus. And speaking of Mormon Jesus, happy belated birthday!! (yesterday)

[@sarahruckett6906]

found your channel when members attempted to recruit me at age 15, i’m now 19 & so glad i found your channel :)

[@mwillis7791]

God’s mouth piece seems a little worried... let’s amp up the guilt to keep those numbers strong and get that tithe! Having churches closed has given a lot of people a lot of space and time to reflect.

[@stephtimms1776]

You're totally misunderstanding him and very disrespectfully. You cheat yourself the most, but others too, if they let such poison effect their faith in Jesus Christ. Stop pushing the devils lies.

[@hannahleslieh]

I remember when in conferences he said Do not be the weak link in your family tree that keeps ancestors and posterity from getting temple ordinances and that has stuck with me it hit hard. I felt like everyone was looking at me because I've been in a cycle of leaving and being sucked back in. But now I'm 18 and I can't stay anymore with what I know I'm leaving once I get to university. Thank you guys you were the first exmormon anything I've seen!

[@carij5320]

I hate when they equate illness and loneliness with doubt.

[@derekbrown3552]

“Lazy learners” followed up by “choose to believe”. Choosing to believe IS lazy learning. It takes effort and dedication to examine and question your previous assumptions and beliefs, following the evidence to whatever the conclusion turns out to be. That’s what leads people out! Not sure if just ignorance or willful gaslighting from ol’ rusty...

[@astridquarry1248]

Why not both? 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@larryrouse6322]

Paddington Bear is staring into my soul...

[@BryndiGould]

I feel like I’m in the room with you guys talking with friends. I feel so seen! Every damn time! Grateful for you two and your content.

[@hiamandataylor]

"Don't try and get your family members who are LDS to accept you; find a way to accept yourself without their approval." Could you guys do like, a series on this? And how to navigate being programmed to Share The Good Word ... even if that no longer means the BOM and is in fact the CES letter? And you want your family to find true happiness?

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

we’re planning to do a video that covers this soon!

[@tracymarshall8273]

Finally, I’m deprogrammed from all the conditioning and brain washing. It’s been 12 years since I was “shunned “ by the bishop in my ward. It’s taken a lot of therapy and work, but I feel so relaxed and happy now. Ironically I’m more loving and accepting of my fellow humans now than before and enjoy a spiritual awareness that is so healing and healthy for my personal growth. Listening to the concepts presented from the general conference reminds me of how oppressive and complicated life was as a Mormon girl . I’m like you though, grateful for my past and life journey that has brought me to beautiful now 🌈💜

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

🥰🥰🥰💜💜💜

[@JeffTomlinson-Consultant]

Interesting if you were so damaged and depressed why are you watching General Conference? Ha, Ha, what a joke.

[@tracymarshall8273]

@@JeffTomlinson-Consultant 😂🤣 Jeff, I think you replied to the wrong comment. I’m not depressed, I feel awesome, and I watched this video out of interest as an x Mormon. It made me happy because I know I’m finally deprogrammed from all the brain washing. No worries!

[@richardholmes7199]

Deprogrammed?

[@JeffTomlinson-Consultant]

@@tracymarshall8273 Lack of understanding equals brainwashing for the ignorant.

[@ivymcbride8]

I want to talk to my parents about all of this but I know that they would just slap the "I don't pretend to understand gods plan" sticker on the conversation

[@BoyMama87]

Ask them, "If you don't understand God's plan then, and this sounds weird to you, then why are you choosing to believe it?" It's ironic how members think they know God's plan when they want to preach to you and tell you that you are living life wrong, but then when they don't have an answer, instead of admitting the church might be wrong all of a sudden they don't understand God's plan.

[@raynemichelle2996]

Lazy would be accepting whatever the church says is true.

[@towardcivicliteracy]

Yep. That's what the LDS Church teaches, too. On my mission, I typically taught that in the first discussion.

[@raynemichelle2996]

@@towardcivicliteracy Except you teaching that on your mission is the church teaching. It coaxes people into a false belief that they came to conclusions on their own, or with the help of the spirit. It's a form of brainwashing. Sharing so called testimonies using words like "know" instead of "believe" is disingenuous. It is actually just a belief, not knowledge. The "spirit" is just a warm fuzzy feeling caused by neurotransmitters and you get that with a lot of things. I got that when I first realized the church wasn't actually true. I got it realizing truths in other spiritual practices like Buddhism. I got them in recovery meetings that weren't discussing spirituality. I got them when a born again Christian lady next to mee on the plane prayed for my LDS dad who has cancer. A still small voice is just our subconscious and all people have it. Mormons (sorry, that's now an offensive nickname or slur because Prezzy Nelson doesn't like it), I mean LDS members, are not special.

[@towardcivicliteracy]

@@raynemichelle2996 Yes. Neurotransmitters is how it's accomplished. And? Merely pointing out naturalistic explanations is not a claim of any ultimate cause. You're only expressing faith that it is the only cause, even though that is actually logically impossible. You came from somewhere before the neurotransmitters fired. Mormons aren't special. You're right. Not intrinsically. The Restored Gospel is. The priesthood is, and logically it would have to be--just as a matter of balancing divine justice and mercy. The fruits of the spirit are: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, kindness and faith. Are all those "just feelings"? Actually, no. Obviously not. And we don't claim it's "just feelings." That's a common criticism that's purely rhetorical, and utterly senseless. In fact, factually so: In terms of population-level statistics, LDS people are unusual. That has been well-known for years by social scientists, and there are plenty of examples that are measurable reflections of gifts of the Spirit. You act as if you've got it figured out in pointing out that other people experience the Spirit. Another thing I used to teach in the first discussion.

[@raynemichelle2996]

@@towardcivicliteracy The gospel is false. The book of Mormon is false. The Bible is false. The priesthood is false. It's all fiction. You're right about the so called fruits of the "spirit." This all can exist without a bullshit cult tho. And yes, they ARE just feelings. Thinking it's more than that is the ultimate gullibility.

[@towardcivicliteracy]

@@raynemichelle2996 ​ Love is just feelings? Long suffering (patience) is just a feeling? Gentleness is just a feeling? Kindness is just a feeling? (Thank goodness, because, for a second, I thought kindness might have involved actions.) Completely incoherent. You're a daughter of God. Not just a space accident. All of the great advances in human civilization rest in the essential dignity of humans, for some reason. Somehow, despite our all being random space junk, that coincided with a flourishing unheard of in human history, on all fronts. It's not because you're random space junk, I promise. You will know that, someday. In any case, and in the meantime, Truth bless you, sister. Seriously. I speak fluent sarcasm, but I mean it.

[@morais3342]

Hi from Brazil, you two have been helping me a lot, thanks!

[@spacecat7864]

"Uhhh don't get tattoos... I guess" amazing lol

[@MsMaggie1995]

Haha, going Saturday for my 13th tattoo! Oh and I have about 15 piercings....I'm a lazy learner for sure and going straight to hell!

[@spacecat7864]

@@MsMaggie1995 then you can get some more tattoos. I bet there’s some great artists down there lol.

[@michellemyer482]

I’ve seen so many of my active friends getting tattoos lately it’s crazy!haha

[@Melted-Kuchi-kopi]

Let's hope the inability of going to church and therefore actually having free Sundays during covid will wake a lot of people up

[@utah133]

I was once told that faith is believing things without evidence or proof and this was admirable.. My first thought was "Well! That sounds Ill-advised." My opinion hasn't changed.

[@jtbergstrom1336]

For Mormons, it's General Conference. For ex-Mormons, it's THE TRIGGERING!!!

[@legumesss]

Samantha, your curly hair looks so beautiful 🖤

[@karlawatson2331]

thank you ..... I converted in my mid 20s and left my marriage & this “church” 10 years later. Even though I have 6 yrs free, my struggle continues. Finding your channel and a few others have helped me out so much.

[@lenny4ever68]

I’ve never been Mormon but I love your guys channel and messages. Also ur friendship is such goals🥰

[@flintfoster8010]

My mom says that I need to lool at church websites and that I'm just having a crisis and being influenced by young dumb people 😭

[@mazdabazda2267]

Find the church essays on the churches website, specifically the one about polygamy and show it to your mom :) it’s on the churches website itself.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Woo!

[@paulbrodie331]

When I told my bishop i was out I explained why and he asked where I got the information from and i said "LDS.org gospel topics essays" and he had nothing to say about it.

[@flintfoster8010]

@@paulbrodie331 wow

[@paulbrodie331]

@@flintfoster8010 that bishop was one of my young men advisors 20 years ago and i was one of his counselors for 2 years when he was bishop, I left the church about a year after i was released from that calling. I was 37 when i left the church

[@coko3124]

So true. The irony of the Mormon church is that it fosters a desire for truth in its members despite that it’s a total farce and it’s usually the brave, hard working, truth seekers who end up leaving. We are the “monsters” of their creation in a sort!

[@megane7742]

I have never wanted to scream the f word faster at RMN.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

A good primal scream is great for the nervous system ;)

[@MakoLion09]

I'm probably one of a small handful that are actually "Lazy Learners" haha my ADD prevented me from paying attention during Sunday School because I was more concerned about what to do after church so I unintentionally avoided indoctrination and was able to leave the church at 17 with absolutely no faith crisis because I had no faith to begin with. Probably the only time one can say "Thank Goodness for learning disabilities" xD

[@staceyvanderlaan1905]

I feel this

[@kathrynclass2915]

And then in conference there was a talk about miracles where we were told that everything is a miracle if we just look at it that way. Even in the smallest thing

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

if everything is a miracle then nothing is a miracle lol

[@kathrynclass2915]

@@ZelphOntheShelf right!

[@shumshai]

I joined your Patreon after your last video because I appreciate you guys trying to continue making content even when you aren't making a living off it. I don't have a huge amount that I could throw at you guys but hopefully you guys can buy a bottle of alcohol or something else fun! It feels weird to reccomend something that is technically 'religious' but you guys should really try manischewitz! Seriously, jewish religious wine it the best, especially Blackberry! Just tastes like juice and it's just great. Despite leaving the church and being an athiest, my partner is culturally jewish and last weekend was passover seder and it is my favorite holiday. The family tradition is tequila shots during the seder and you also drink 3 glasses of wine! It's weird still to participate in a 'religious ceremony' when you know all of the people you are with don't believe in God at all and all it is about is eating great food and getting drunk together.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

💜💜💜

[@ariannesmum]

The mormon church relationship is like living with a narcissist...the toxic environment ferments your soul !!!

[@XorkHeartXenu]

Constantly ignoring contradictions to reality in order to not have to examine your ridiculous beliefs seems intellectually lazy to me... How ironic.

[@huffpappy]

I think old Rusty and his minions of TBMs miss what I think is the most important issue dealing with Mormonism: "If the LDS church is actually true, then learning about it, whether lazy or "high intensity", should bring anyone and everyone to the knowledge that it is true." The church has been its own worst enemy by hiding "non-faith building" historical truths for so long. In the end, anyone who is intellectually honest after really digging into church doctrine and history have no choice but to leave it because it can't be true. Take it one step further and you end up being an atheist. The truth has no fear of inquiry.

[@Kellethorn]

Great point. With any other subject, math, art, you name it, "dabbling" isn't going to make you worse at it. It's like saying "well, if you only read one book on WWII you now know less about WWII than before cuz you were lazy." Like.... what the hell? Lol

[@towardcivicliteracy]

If the LDS church is actually false, then learning about it, whether lazy or "high intensity", should bring anyone and everyone to the knowledge that it is false. In other words, just apply your own logic to the opposite proposition, and you've proved yourself wrong, since there are still Latter-Day Saints. It seems like the assumption that it is just that the "other side" hasn't gotten all the facts is just that--an assumption. For both "sides."

[@brookemiller9961]

I think the thing that bothered me most about this talk is that it goes against what Christ taught when he preached if you have faith the size of a mustard seed you can move a mountain. Are members supposed to take the words of a "modern-day prophet" over the Saviors? The only purpose for this talk was to further shame those who doubt.

[@aschilaty]

Yes!!

[@EmilySmith-lk5mz]

blessed us with content twice this week! must be a holiday. so excited

[@katarinadietz4031]

I left the church and watching you guys is so comforting. I’m still in organized religion and I know you guys are but I still feel so connected to you guys. Thank you so much for making these videos

[@TreasureMapsGenealogy]

24:32 The Captain of the Titanic comparison is a good one. Great job, guys.

[@h.r.9563]

Idk imagine telling a grieving granddaughter in law, only the word "myopic" when she called you seeking comfort because her father was dying. Then bragging that your callous remark helped her think of heaven

[@elizalange]

Man, I’ve been waiting for your take on this. I’m SO glad you made a video.

[@LoganBeck]

I’m such a proud lazy piece of 💩

[@Kellethorn]

Lolol saaaame.

[@LoganBeck]

@Marissa Sings Hawaii haha! Yes I do!! Your a lazy learner too?!

[@mazdabazda2267]

Hello fellow lazy learners!

[@mwillis7791]

Hey girl, HEY!! 👋

[@melodyparker3485]

Hi!

[@storminmormn6283]

I remember the Lazy Learners talk and was waiting for a video from this channel about it. Glad I was here to watch!

[@jacobopstad5483]

I would say that messages about how to recognize and deal with narcissism have made me way happier than the "gospel of Jesus Christ."

[@HeyItsJayHobson]

(“Wars and rumors of wars” is one of my favorite ExMoIsms) Honestly, so many of us saw a million reasons to leave, and we were looking desperately for a reason to stay.

[@BoyMama87]

This is SO true! There was so much about the culture that I didn't like. I told my husband that if we didn't leave Utah I would probably go inactive (he grew up in Utah I grew up in Michigan- the members in my ward were great people.) My husband was already out of the church. So when I finally couldn't take it anymore I said "I think I'm done" I decided to read the CES letter. I was hoping that whatever I found out would cause me to get defensive for the church and drive me back to it so that I'd want to keep holding tight to that Iron Rod. I wanted to believe. But after you hate the culture and then find out it's all a lie, it feels SO FREEING to not have to put up with all that BS anymore. There's no going back and now I don't have to feel guilty for leaving.

[@The_Other_Ghost]

I think Sam has a British accent.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

No way

[@StephanieMilberger]

Gaslighting.

[@TheSnickers545]

I really admire when you guys talk about how you’re grateful for what you’ve been through in your life, being part of the church and leaving, because I’m currently at a place where i just wish it had never been a part of my life at all... so hopefully I can reach a place of less bitterness :/

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

we definitely had to go through that! it’s an important part of healing. don’t feel like you have to rush it. it will happen naturally 💜

[@TheSnickers545]

@@ZelphOntheShelf ❤️❤️❤️

[@crashwithkirby6708]

Oh god… did I hear you guys right? someone’s trying to ‘Hamilton’ Joseph Smith?

[@veronicahaney6005]

16:50 The problem is that everyone is claiming their version of understanding what God is is the right one. But in reality, no one knows! Even in the New Testament, John 1 says no one has seen God! If everyone stopped claiming they knew God and just opened themselves to others’ interpretations, we would have a much more “righteous” world.

[@waderobins07]

My pursuit for a closer relationship with heavenly father led me to atheism.

[@mylesmarkson1686]

If there is a God, that's probably where he hopes most people end up as he's got to be so sick of the non-stop ass-kissing by now. I can't believe that people think that they can fool The Almighty with that crap!

[@utah133]

They're going with the old "build it and they will come." They announced 20 or so new temples... I can't help but draw a parallel with the Xenu folks!

[@loganduffy4697]

can you guys sit down with my parents and just.. rationalize with them? ugh 😪

[@cabeb.1047]

Just love em, arguing will get you nowhere

[@Earthpsalm]

Oh how I identify with this. I agree with Cabe, I've just learned to guide conversations away from religion and politics (chickens, space stuff and food are much safer topics.

[@poposlurpy]

While watching this I got an advertisement for the church... wow.. I haven't seen one of those for a while.

[@Kelliannyoung]

Love this video!! Very validating and insightful. Constructive comment: the audio is a little low in this video, IMO.

[@danipants8608]

It is quite low, I've got my earbuds at almost max volume and it's still very low considering

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Ahh, sorry to hear that! We’ll investigate!

[@Kelliannyoung]

@@danipants8608 Yup. Headphones at max.

[@debbiebuttars5598]

I always have a hard time hearing your videos. Ask Jimmy Snow for some audio help. ❤️ you two!

[@rebeccapatty4535]

So many great nuggets of growth and meaningful spirituality in this video! 👏👏👏

[@sophiej1987]

Wowwww, I LOOVVEEE what you said about God being everywhere and how the church morphs that in a way to fit God in a box. I wish I could get that across to everyone

[@sofiavoudou9021]

I'm literally obsessed with you two

[@RB-zh1eq]

You rock that man bun.

[@wonderstuck-gg]

I had forgot till other ex mo chats reminded me. I didn't watch but I watch ex mo chats and some of the stuff said we're pretty crazy. One of the woman made a talk about being a military sargent to your children. There was also the one talking about genocide and equating it to a child finding it unfair that they don't get the bike they want. It was just "things are unfair it's a teaching moment."

[@jomama9075]

I love how quickly people see through things now❣ The truth doesn't need defenders.

[@jaquino451]

When you point out the truth to the church, especially about their racist sayings in the BOM they throw you out the church that shows how much faith they have in their own faith. What a crock this is.

[@kaijusushi8165]

It takes hard work for active church member to constantly deal with all that cognitive dissonance

[@PrincessMicrowave]

I'm interested your view of faith, Tanner. I've really had an aversion to the word "spirituality" ever since I left Mormonism. It really bothers me when people try to say they hope I'm still a spiritual person, because life isn't complete without some form of spirituality. Your description of your view of faith is the only thing I've heard so far that didn't make me want to crawl out of my skin. It has merit.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

We talk about post-Mormon spirituality/faith in our newest Mormon Stories interview! Sam also did a Mormon Stories panel on it recently that’s worth listening to. :)

[@mariaperez9301]

Two videos in a row, yayyyyy!

[@Chandler27]

You two are the cutest hippies and I wish you ran the local vegan juice bar or something.

[@JaysNotebook]

The church has made "faith" synonymous with "belief", which is simply not the case.

[@jayanderson147]

on the one hand I'm irritated that he's so insensitive, but on the other hand, that is going to come back to bite them all in the butt so hard, and I am looking forward to watching that

[@debbiebuttars5598]

Love you two! ❤️❤️ You’re definitely not lazy learners. To call those who have studied and seen the light and had the courage to leave the cult “lazy learners” is the lowest form of name-calling. Those who blindly follow untruths and listen faithfully to such rot are not only lazy but actively avoiding and disregarding truth. Unconscionable. A literal example of “believing” (and by that I mean going along with) in how lovely the Emperor’s new clothes are! 😂😂😂

[@personofinterest8731]

I tried to explain to my TBM grandson how my huge God before I joined the LDS church just became smaller and smaller until pfffft - Like air being let out of a balloon - he just disappeared. Love your podcasts, nice dynamic you have. Thank you. I am a happy old exmo granny.

[@hannahbellxoxo2414]

Love the Paddington artwork

[@talkofchrist]

If I entered a crowded room and yelled, "Hey Stupid! The door is over here! Idiots won't ever find it." Would you assume I had just called you a stupid idiot because you happen to be in the room? Why would you assume I was talking to you if you know where the door is and you know you're not stupid? What he said was lazy learners will struggle with faith and doubts. It may have been a poor choice of words, but that doesn't mean he also believes all those who struggle with faith and doubts are lazy learners. Interpreting the statement that way is illogical and disingenuous.

[@lindanorton2088]

Then shame and guilt of feeling lazy compared to President Nelson was very effective in getting me to over commit. My mantra was everything is possible! RM Nelson did it with 10 kids, med school, skiing and a world leader calling. Anything less impressive was met with self shame and ridicule. I still struggle with feeling not good enough and still feel that if I were just a harder worker I would have made it at church. My brain still tries to reason in this way because the life I do have that I worked hard for really did make me happy. It’s hard to reason with this mentality. Who knows if he is attempting to be this impressive for god or for others. For me I felt a lot of pressure to be impressive for the church members sake and didn’t give myself enough boundaries to do things for the right reasons. I came from an abusive childhood and I think this is the addictive behavior that resulted. The desire to people please. I felt a lot of members were struggling with the addiction to people please which is codependency which is a trauma response.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

💗💗💗

[@quichenovel]

Love it! Can you mix these a lil louder?

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Yes, we have been figuring out how to improve sound next time! :)

[@lizjones8174]

@@ZelphOntheShelf Thank you. You came out very muted and I had my volume all the way up. That is, until commercial time ;)

[@raythepisces8733]

Funny you mention it. My mom died a few years ago (when I was 20) and that was when I stopped trying to believe in the mormons. Because I was taught god would heal anything but it never healed my disability and then it never healed my mom. So I stopped pushing so hard to try to believe

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

💜💜💜

[@LadyEvelynL]

Having faith didn’t heal my father’s cancer either, or my mothers diabetes and depression. I left the church’s about 6 years ago, before the marriage equality debate happened in Australia, and I greatly prefer my life now

[@spaceprole]

From Qanon to "abortion is evil!", Easter conference was a fucking trip dudes.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

!!!!

[@madeleine.exists9207]

Who talked about Qanon???

[@spaceprole]

@@madeleine.exists9207 on Saturday morning the Primary President talked about the abuse of children in great detail, which hey, might be a normal concern, but I'd never heard the topic in conference before and now seems like a weird time to make it a focus, especially after what happened to Sam Young.

[@madeleine.exists9207]

@@spaceprole oh i see. Jesus Christ!

[@scrapbookaholic]

Dalin Hoppe What happened to Sam Young?

[@pikachulovable]

I thought I was atheist for a while but I always had a lingering of faith. Now I live honestly about my feelings. I believe we should all do what’s best for us in our spiritual journeys. I hope one day that these extremists understand this message. Their toxic organized religion set up hurts society so badly.

[@nategriff801]

Time to finally join your patreon. 😁

[@madeleineclark283]

"Here's ya slop eat it up" 🤣🤣🤣

[@erikatingey7040]

There was an ad for ramen.

[@sarahvictoriahunter545]

I left the church last year and I know it’s not true but I miss it daily despite the cognitive dissonance :( why do I miss it?

[@christinerios445]

They get their hooks in you pretty deep as far as indoctrination goes, for one. For another, they are good at fellowshipping and establishing a strong sense of community if they find you "worthy." We were part of a cult that "lovingly and righteously" controlled what we did, thought, and felt. Don't feel bad for missing it, because I'm sure you had some good times- or at least thought they were good at the time- but don't lose sight of what you know to be true. Good luck!

[@figglebop]

Nelson for sure has a complex about not seeing Jesus. My brother told me how on his mission Nelson EXPLODED with anger at a missionary that innocently asked if he'd seen the Savior. I've heard similar stories since then as well.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Damn, thanks for sharing! Exploding with anger sure sounds like a complex to me haha

[@showcrazy2139]

Wow that's freaking crazy. Back when I was a mo I'd want to ask him if he'd seen jesus!

[@coko3124]

It’s because he actually hates Jesus. John 8:44

[@joshuacarmona]

I love the Mulder and Skully thing y'all got going on.

[@chriswatson3464]

Now that lazy learners was coming from the ultimate lazy learner of Mormonism.

[@jong9173]

Wonderful insight Sam and Tanner. Thanks for sharing. Russ is completely out of touch with what happens when someone choses to separate themselves from the church. Russ's ad hominem attach on people who leave the church shows his true colors.

[@joneman4574]

Got an ad to meet lds missionary's on this video.

[@redcurrantart]

‘Being an ExMo is hard during conference.’ Yes especially if you live in Down Town Salt Lake and have to deal with the added traffic or try to shop at Harmons City Creek anytime over conference weekend. Only real impact it’s ever had on me.

[@monus782]

As a Hispanic nevermo I’m amazed about the fact I’d probably be forced to work on Christmas so maybe that’s another reason to be glad I’ve never been part of this church (alongside the claims about the Book of Mormon and the apparent creationism in the theology, that last part is why I left my own church in the first place).

[@mayritaysabel]

Omg you guys something crazy just happened!! I was watching this video when all of a sudden the missionaries in my area called me! I didn't know it was them because I just moved in to a new area. Plus I have been inactive for 4 years. So they asked how long I have been a member and I told them I was born into the church but recently went inactive. I was very tempted to say " I've done my research & found the truth" but deep down I knew this response will put me in a situation where they will try to convince me and meet up . So I simply said, "the longer I stayed in the church the worse my anxiety got. I needed to figure my self out. Now that I'm No longer a member I can finally breathe." their response to that was "well we are here if you need anything." What a weird coincidence... It's almost as if they were watching me. Anyways I just wanted to share my super weird experience with y'all 😂

[@silvermagpie1071]

I wonder if the broadcast is checked before being sent out; like imagine if a GA with a conscience just exposed it on the stand

[@TheSnickers545]

My mother in law recently expressed disappointment that the worldwide fast about the pandemic last year at conference “failed” and she “thought god would perform miracles” if so many people put in that effort👀

[@loveloplop67]

Oh no! You two got the clap 👏 👏 👏

[@robyndeddens6658]

I am still a member of the church however been in active for many many many many years. The only reason I have not left is because I heard it was difficult and honestly I don’t want to deal with that. After doing research I did come to the conclusion it is a cult. My spiritual believe is personal to me and don’t believe I need to go to an organized religion with old men telling me what is right or wrong. All that secret stuff that goes on is just creepy to me!

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Have you checked out quitmormon.org?

[@Lookatmedonnad]

What do you guys think about upcoming Armegedon. Is it possible that the lady in Idaho who married a LDS author. and they find her dead kids buried in the aurthors backyard.

[@Lookatmedonnad]

is it is possible she thought god would reserrect them later. I mean soon later

[@Lookatmedonnad]

I am a ex jehovah witness. Jehovah witnesses die before they take a blood transfussion. One of my neices died that way. They make the decision for the kids. Same as killing them it think. as and adult make your decision but don't force on your kids.

[@lilydayton5330]

Everytime you upload I get instant seratonin 😌