Mormons and LGBTQ+ with Richard Ostler

[@ravinderblackmore]

This video is great. I joined the church with the missionaries and bishop knowing that im gay. It has been the best decision i ever made .. The blessings and rewards are awsome. Im treated no different than straight people. I got my priesthood and temple recommend. The heavenly father loves me!!!

[@sylvesterbirchem181]

I'm crying as I watch this. I left the church because I'm gay. I am considering returning back to the church.

[@bassfacestudio7975]

Sylvester Birchem we would love to have you by our side once again brother :)

[@sylvesterbirchem181]

@@bassfacestudio7975 Thank you. I needed to hear that!

[@UberTheRandom]

You have to do what is best for you, but I hope you stay clear of that hateful cult. If you absolutely do need religion I'd recommend the Community of Christ (RLDS) or the Unitarians or something. You will never be more than a second class person in the Mormon cult. Do not fall for their wolves in sheeps clothing act.

[@ethancate8462]

I am a member of the church and we would accept you with open arms and show you all the love you need, I really hope you meet lds members who treat you with respect because that is what you deserve. I would listen to your heart and not naysayers on this one! I know that I don't know you but I will say a prayer for you tonight

[@UberTheRandom]

@@ethancate8462 Except that you would expect them to remain single and celibate throughout their lives, not expressing any emotion with a partner of the same sex. Either that or join in a joyless marriage to someone they're not attracted to. Very "loving" of you and your cult.

[@annsertrue8782]

5:25 This is a little confusing. How do you compare a homosexual with a heterosexual within the church? "Regardless of who you are you shouldn't sin" but a heterosexual within the church can deal with their temptations by getting married whereas a homosexual cannot.

[@davidfrey5654]

Not true. There are a LOT of men (and some women) in the church who still struggle keeping the Law of Chastity after marriage. Men are genetically given that strong desire at birth. It's a constant temptation. Only after years and years of righteous living can some men completely overcome that temptation. As members of the God's church we are commanded not to masturbate, watch porn or allow unrighteous thoughts to linger in our minds. That's a challenge. Who is to say that the struggle of a gay man to keep God's commandments are any harder than the struggle of a man who has a high sexual desire not to masturbate? We each have our cross to bear. And only God can judge whose struggle is more significant.

[@ronaldreaganhater69]

@@davidfrey5654 Do you not think gay men masturbate?

[@oreo4willis]

@@ronaldreaganhater69 Sure. And a lot more.

[@latter-daysaintbatman2679]

That is because the homosexual may not want to end up married because of how he or she "feels" and has to remain celibate.

[@kelleynrothaermel2311]

That is where you are wrong. As a homosexual, you can still get married come to church, and still enjoy fellowship. Now you may not be able to have all rights and privileges, but you can still come. We had a man in our ward who was a married homosexual. He played the organ. Everyone loved him. He came every week.

[@johnsax1445]

Very nice but you ignored the Elephant in the Room: LBGTQ aren’t allowed to date in the LDS Church, get married and be allowed a happy fulfilling life with the person they may love.

[@johnsax1445]

And the silence is deafening.....

[@Hamann9631]

@@johnsax1445 And there was silence because you didn't have a well reasoned argument.

[@Hamann9631]

johnsax1445. Are you also concerned for the rights of polygamists? They don't get to date. They can't marry the person they love. They get ostracized for excommunicated for what they naturally are.

[@johnsax1445]

Hamann9631 please elaborate as to why...

[@johnsax1445]

Hamann9631 Polygamy is most definitely a Chosen lifestyle, certainly not an inborn trait. Epic fail, surprised you didn’t defend pedophiles and people who want to marry their Dog

[@verbingnoun]

I have been learning from missionaries. I am a woman who has been in a relationship with another woman for over a decade and who has been married since we have been legally able to do so. To be baptized, I would need to divorce my wife and break up my family in the process. It feels so incredibly wrong to even consider such a prospect.

[@tylerg3605]

The Mormon church, aka the Church of Jesus of Latterday Saints, breaks appart families. That much is true.

[@katbos4995]

Please do not divorce your wife. I was raised in the church, was in the closet for 40 years. I was suicidal until I came out at 44 and stopped living the lie that I was straight. I married a woman whose face had been in my night time dreams since I was a toddler. I went to renew my temple recommend after we were married. The bishop wanted to, but had to ask Salt Lake City headquarters first. They wrote him back and said to basically throw me in the trash (excommunicate me). They didn’t care that God had me dream of her face for 44 years. They didn’t care that when I was deathly ill she carried me to the toilet for 2 years and fed me. They wanted me to throw her loyalty and love in the trash, or they were going to throw me in the trash. Guess which one I chose? I chose to listen to God, who had me dream of her face for over 4 decades. And when I met her found a love like I’d never felt with my temple marriage (we had already divorce, he left me for my best friend, he wanted more kids, I was unable to have more kids).

[@841577]

I disagree with his take on transgenderism. While it’s true some people have gender dysphoria that does not mean you should pander to a false reality. There IS an objective truth as to what gender that person is and the Lord has made it very clear where he stands on gender (pre-mortally and mortally). Just read the Family Proclamation. Love would be helping that person come to terms with reality and Christ’s teachings, not justifying and condoning a false truth that will ultimately lead them further from Christ. I know that may sound harsh, but if we disregard truth then we continue down a slippery slope that never ends. Where do you draw the line? When people start identifying as animals or inanimate objects will you pander to those false beliefs as well? Love is warning someone they are about to put their hand on a hot stove, not standing by and watching them do it…or even worse, encouraging it.

[@RAF71chingachgook]

It’s not a mystery. God has been extremely clear about homosexuality. Stop making up your own doctrine. “The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine”

[@darthgela5622]

Thank you for making this video. I am LGTBQ and although i am married to a man it does not stop me from identifying as gay and non-binary trans and I am very open about it. I have never found anything but acceptance in this church. My identification stopped me for a LONG time from coming to Christ as many churches will not let you join if you are gay or trans. When I started meeting with the missionaries they assured me I was accepted and loved. I have never felt more blessed than I have in finding this church! 💙

[@lvoryrenae8510]

Thank you! I LOVE THIS!

[@joeyd.6172]

You’re in for a lifetime of shame and unhappiness if you continue to adhere to this “church’s” doctrines. You deserve to be truly happy and this “church” is not the answer....there’s no hate like Mormon love.

[@starlegends3092]

Aw great😁

[@latter-daysaintbatman2679]

We don't accept the sins of what people do. We only focus on loving the people and helping them focus on Christ.

[@hannahchristiansen8559]

@@joeyd.6172 can you not tell how happy and proud she is, pls just leave her alone.

[@braeden5181]

Most people will disagree with me, but while loving everyone is something we need to strive for, we should not be okay with things that are directly contrary to what the scriptures teach. Jesus loved everyone, but he didn't agree with everything people did.

[@braeden5181]

The Lord has CLEARLY stated where he stands on the importance of marriage and eternal nature of gender. LGBTQ is a distortion of the Lord's declarations. That does NOT mean that those who are members of the community don't deserve love, but it also doesn't mean we need to support their choices, especially being members of the Lord's gospel. Anyone who doesn't agree simply doesn't agree with the Lord and the scriptures. They have the right to do so, but facts are facts no matter how anyone feels.

[@841577]

EXACTLY!

[@841577]

@@braeden5181 Well Said!

[@tylerg3605]

​@@braeden5181 People are LGBT even if they never act on it. Do you deny that,

[@braeden5181]

@@tylerg3605 Yes, I acknowledge that people can be born with chemical imbalances that result in same sex attraction. I do not believe everyone in the community was born gay. I believe a majority (especially the younger generation) choose to be, whether due to the popular trends, part of maturing, or from childhood trauma that distorted their view on the world and relationships.

[@pauladawson5779]

This is such a challenging subject. I agree that we should all love one another and try to understand each others differences which is what you summed up on your show! Thank you!😊

[@shannonjade2416]

I’m gay and have been investigating the church for 4 years now. I love the scriptures and can feel their truths. I haven’t joined because as childish as it sounds it’s just not fair. Straight people can feel the magic of a first kiss and be united together forever in the temple to who they love but people like me can’t? No, two men and two women can’t make babies. But we can adopt children and create loving families. I feel God is loving but I don’t feel people are.

[@loveandlight9408]

Heavenly Father loves everyone. Temple has power from God...yes, but its mostly about being more devoted to the church.

[@realmsofreading]

Tyler G Nah, just about everyone gets to heaven, but nice try though. Also Rough Stone Rolling is a wonderful biography of a prophet who is also a fallible human, so good book recommendation!

[@realmsofreading]

Tyler G I don’t really see what your issue with tithing is. Our money goes to wonderful things, instead of buying the pastor a new sports car as is usually the case with your typical Prot collection plates.

[@UberTheRandom]

I'd recommend staying as far away from that cult as you can. It is pure evil and you will only suffer heartache from association with it. If you truly want the "mormon doctrine" then I'd recommend the Community of Chris. They're a reformed Mormon organization and would be more welcoming to you.

[@UberTheRandom]

@@realmsofreading Beep. WRONG. If you don't pay your 10% you can't get a temple recommend, and you can't go to momo heaven if you don't go to the temple. Why do you cultists lie so much?

[@thornlings]

Kwaku I really liked the example you gave about calling JWs by their preferred name even if you don't agree with their theology. It's quite similar to one I use myself. I'm not catholic but if I meet a catholic priest who says "please call me father oneill" then that's what I'm going to call him because it's polite. Same would be if someone said "my name is Sam but everyone calls me buddy. "

[@iloveutah5584]

Yes but I am not forced to listen to the JW opinion at work. I am forced to listen to lgbtq at work. I am also forced to listen to other liberal stuff. See this is why Trump is getting so much support. There is two sides here.

[@idamagnusdotterganeteg7497]

Om Gosh I actually prayed for this. I have a lot of LGBTQ+ friends and they continue to ask me why I joined this church. They have heard something about straight camp and a lot of other rumours. This guy is so refreshing. THANK YOU!!

[@ZehnWaters]

lol Straight camp.

[@whencecomestthou8624]

oh Ida bless your heart. I'm so glad you've prayed about this, thanks to you and the prayers of so many people heavenly father is finally coming around to loving and accepting his lgbtq+ children to eternal promises of his gospel. I love you tons home Gurrrl 😘

[@aysajaysa133]

Whence Comest Thou? "thanks to you and the prayers of so many people heavenly father is finally coming around" Your god requires the wisdom of man to "come around"? That doesn't sound like a god you can depend on.

[@whencecomestthou8624]

Aysa Jaysa 😂 dude I know I was just adding to the absurdity of how by praying passionately you can cause Gawd to change and be totally awesome and "woke" (no offense ida).

[@Ether-pb5gb]

here is another resource www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/gay?lang=eng

[@oldbess]

Richard is starting to figure it out which is refreshing but still missing the mark. They can't belong right now. Not fully. Lets turn it around here of what it is like: It would be like telling a straight guy: "It is ok that you like women. But you can never have a romantic relationship with one ever. You can however have a romantic relationship with a another man. And that relationship is glorious in the eyes of God. But if you don't want to do that then just remain single your whole life and if you are true and faithful in this life you will have an option to marry a man in the next life."

[@azeliaspank]

I agree. I really appreciate people like this though, cause they're what we need if we ever expect the church as a whole to come around and do the right thing. Right now you can't be a full member if you're anything other than straight and that's fucked up, but I believe the church itself is eventually gonna have to change to bring other people in who are not now considered "of this fold"

[@starlegends3092]

This might sound kinda weird, but im streat but if the church told me to marry a woman, it dont sound terrible. But i dunno, that just me.

[@katyah999]

The church will never change the law of chastity. It's etched in scriptures. God himself would be a liar. I know gay people personally quite happy following the guidelines of the church. No its not easy but so much God asks us to do isn't easy. Those who have left the guy lifestyle talk about how much closer to the spirit they are and how they have a testimony of the law of chastity. God doesn't change to fit us we change or sacrifice to follow him. It's up to each of us but it's also between us and God what we decide. But you can't force the blessings on you that come by following the law of chastity by trying to change that law to what is easier to follow. We are asked to give up a lot to follow Christ. Please do not think that will ever change. But we can respect people where they are at in their journey. I don't judge people personally as how they stand before God. But I will judge actions that take us further from God. No amount of my respect and love will erase the consequences of our actions. The church doesn't lie to appease the masses but they are getting softer so people are more accepted and open the door for repentance. God will save us from our sins not in them. I know it is not a sin to feel a certain way. Buy actions we take can be sins when they are not in line with God's commands. And until we repent we will be subject to the consequences of sinful actions. God's atonement made repentance possible. Be careful not to play God to be acceptable to the masses. It's a dangerous road.

[@MarieJ_77]

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! My housemate is a trans woman and she loves the gospel and the book of Mormon and I don't know what I'm trying to say but just thank you! This message is one that needs to get out!

[@Jacob1611.]

It's a man in a woman's garment you mean. Show him Deuteronomy 22:5. And 1 Corinthians 6:9. Also mormons are false brethren.

[@jennifernielsen599]

As a LDS mom of a transgender child that doesn’t feel accepted at church, I’m very grateful for this episode!

[@elijahtracy6084]

Jennifer Nielsen, good for you! I’m just kinda curious about if it’s a medical condition or what. You don’t have to answer if you don’t want to, but if you answer I just want to know based on a perfectly academic curiosity.

[@heychongo3712]

Chongo confused, coconut is not a coconut now?

[@ginac7235]

@Jennifer Nielson Have you met and joined the Mama Dragons, yet?

[@Ephesians6twelve]

There is no such thing as a transgender child. You are just a terrible parent.

[@Frisby412]

Thanks for sharing. I believe, and see, so much love in this message; this should be the standard by which the saints and our leaders treat LGBTQ+ members and none members alike.

[@BeardedDisciple]

So super random question what do you guys use for your podcast equipment?

[@worldkeyvideo9080]

I really appriciant the perspectives shown in this video. It has been a challenge for me to know how to best understand the doctrine and show love for those with specific challenges. I also appreciate the perspective on not retreating from the doctrine while still honoring and respecting those who do possess different sexual orientations. We should invite all to come unto christ and participate in His beautiful Gospel!

[@merlinendolo4719]

I personally think it's not about people joining the church. I would rather have a few people who understand what they are getting into than people joining the church and leaving because their expectations have not been met. I try to love everyone regardless of what they do, but that doesn't mean that I endorse what is done. This is a core doctrine issue and I hear what you are saying... I believe in finding a church/place/religion that suits your core beliefs and I think LDS core beliefs do not support LGBTQ. They will still feel welcome because LDS people are just nice but will they find their place... that's the question.

[@ourlifeinwashington4114]

Well put

[@OperaGhost-5]

It is a trial, like everyone else has trials. Same-sex attraction is not a sin. Acting on those feelings is.

[@gavinrichins57]

Good comment it's not are place to change God's standards and expectations but it's always his standard to love the sinner hate the sin

[@aceuni-rider6921]

He is wrong. God did not give people their sexual orientation. He allows people to have that challenge. A variety of factors lead to homosexuality and we have to consider all of them including genetics, childhood trauma, pornography, and society. This does not prevent me from loving my LGBTQ+ brothers and sisters.

[@841577]

I agree there are many factors that play into this. You mentioned Societal influences. I think that is a HUGE one. We see so many young people these days identify as LGBTQ because is the “cool and trendy” thing amongst their peer groups. And neither do they want to be seen as bigots for not condoning this lifestyle. Yet, I do believe that a VERY small percentage of people are born with those feelings. But I see it as a cross God gave them to bare and overcome. Just as we ALL have our own crosses to bare, regardless of what they happen to be. Ether 12:27 “And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them.”

[@tylerg3605]

​@@841577 I don't know 1 person who decided to be gay instead of straight. That is a load of BS. Same with "people do it to be cool" Most of the gay people tried everything to be straight especially if they were raised Mormon. The cool thing for me growing up was to be straight, but it never made me or any of my gay friends straight. And supporting a community does not mean you have to become a part of the community. I support transgender people 100%, but I am 100% a cisgender man with no push or pull to be trans.

[@protochris]

Homosexual sexual orientation is not a gift, at best; it is a biological but benign defect occurring in nature. That's why St. Paul said it was "paraphysios" contrary to nature. It is akin to someone being born with diabetes or any other congenital disorder. We should be compassionate to those suffering with it- trying to fit in society, but at the same time investigating its causes and seeking medical remedies. If we pretend its normal, than it's game on for any other sexual behavior.

[@Raccoon_Chic]

Your a benign defect .

[@protochris]

@@Raccoon_Chic and you're a box of frosted flakes.

[@Raccoon_Chic]

@@protochris had to like your reply because that actually made me laugh . Kudos , my friend .

[@bgilissen2492]

Richard Ostler is an amazing person, and his message and words would heal the church if others let him.

[@oreo4willis]

Listening to the teachings of God (Found in the scriptures), and to his chosen disciples, will do far more. Everyone has an opinion, and when you market yourself and opinions, I lose total respect for you.

[@kjnightbird1772]

Much LOVE to you Bishop Ostler, Brother Kwaku & Brother Justin!! Your Spiritual Beauty is Outstanding. No doubt you're ALL Saving Lives, Building Hope & Growing The Church for a better World for ALL. Thank You & Your Channel. The 3 Mormons show is easily a living, breathing "Restorative" of the Gospel one Heart at a time. From a 59yr old Women/Ally who is contemplating a return to the LDS Church. ✨💖✨🙇🙏🙌

[@derrickzamora2616]

Y’all should really consider adding Spanish subtitles. These videos are great and it would really help many that don’t fully understand English

[@joshuamast5128]

You can make them yourself and submit them to KZbin

[@brettfalls2376]

A great example of telling 99 truths to get you to believe one lie.

[@velocity173]

I’m lds and I agree with a lot of this. I’m totally cool around people from many different backgrounds, beliefs, etc... because I’m fine with people doing what they want to do, but I know what is right for myself and my beliefs, I know everything will work out the way the lord wants to. If you’re gay or trans, then so beit. Just know what your savior wants and strive to be like him

[@latter-daysaintbatman2679]

Well you can't forget, just because we respect them, it doesn't mean we allow sin to happen.

[@Joeydanger007]

Jesus said nothing in his ministry about GLBTQ. He also never married himself which in Mormon believe is the only way to achieve the highest level of exultation. So if you were to strive to be just like Christ, marriage wasn’t important to him.

[@samuelshakin8405]

So you respect these people but you believe that they should be punished for all eternity by being cut off from the presence of their god? That isn't respect

[@SiempreFlor]

First you reject ,then you accept and last you embrace! Let’s read the proclamation to the world!

[@jeremymichel3042]

What does it mean when someone has a bisexual orientation? to me it implies they can make a choice to choose man or woman. One choice allows them to fulfill our greatest mission and gods plan to have children and posterity and acting on the Other choice is a sin and has no posterity naturally without man made procedures. Also can someone be sexually attracted to children. Do we respect that?

[@justanotheraccount742]

Thanks you guys I really needed this video. I’ve been struggling with my gender dysphoria as of recently, and it helps so much to see other members talking about it

[@Hamann9631]

Just Another Account. If you have been struggling that means you aren't trying to give in. I encourage you to keep up the good work. The Lord and science are clear. There are no women born in a man's body or man born in a woman's body. I had gender dysphoria when I was young. It has gone away now.

[@ethancate8462]

@Tyler G please stop trying to dissuade people in the comments. I'm not gonna reply to whatever you say

[@kelleynrothaermel2311]

We love you whoever you decide to be!

[@perryewell5395]

"All are alike unto God." Why do we need to add any label to that? All is all. But what is this "self determination" belief? Are you kidding? God doesn’t tell us that we're good to travel whatever path we choose. We can honor them as a child of God and how they feel without giving a thumbs up to the path they choose. "Anything goes" has never been part of the Lord's Covenant relationship. Any challenge can be overcome through Christ.

[@lukeandrachelbarendse6326]

How does this episode not contradict Romans 1:18-32? Specifically verses 24-26? No disrespect but this man's views are antithetical to basic Christian doctrine. This passage literally says as a result of their suppression for the Truth, God gave them over to the sin of homosexuality. I'm not understanding how such a clear passage could be interpreted differently.

[@withkwaku]

Luke and Rachel Barendse I believe this section of scripture is talking about those who reject God and are fall into sin, with no knowledge of being lifted out of it. Yet we know by science that sexual attraction isn’t usually a choice, and children begin to show signs of their attraction at the age of 7, 8, or 9. Heck I had crushes on girls in first grade. Of course not fully developed, but I don’t believe Paul is calling children lusters, neither is he calling devout members of Christ Church lusters, regardless of their attraction. Discipleship isn’t contingent on sexual orientation.

[@lukeandrachelbarendse6326]

Thanks Kwaku, but if the result of rejecting God and falling into sin is being 'given over' to homosexuality and it's described as 'unnatural, unclean, dishonerable, vile affections and much more, how is it any different for someone who still holds a belief in God and yet practices the same thing? I'm not understanding how there is a distinction between a non-LDS person doing this, and an LDS person practicing the same thing. I do agree with you that this passage is referring to people who reject God and are in sin, because clearly homosexuality, according to God is a sin and it's not natural. (Romans 1: 26&27) Thanks for not blasting me too but having a conversation about this.

[@lukeandrachelbarendse6326]

No rant here, just had another couple of ideas: Leviticus 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Leviticus 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God." These are other verses supporting this position. And just as a logical argument, I would assume that you wouldn't use science that contradicts God's word, like uncreated, natural means by which we exist today. Many modern day 'scientists' teach this through the evolution theory. Why use science for this issue at all? But if we are going to use science to back up a refutation of what is clearly taught in scripture, then what if someone is born a liar. Is it ok for them to naturally just be themselves and lie all the time? or a steal, or murder for that matter. If God created sinners to sin, then why is it wrong for them to practice this? What would be the point for the plan of salvation? I don't think the 'it's natural science backs it up' argument works when speaking about God's decree of morality. Just some more food for thought friend.

[@lukeandrachelbarendse6326]

Three weeks and no reply?

[@eliraven85]

I was raised LDS, now a Member of Community of Christ (RLDS), I'm gay, and why I still love my LDS family and Friends, I had to leave the LDS church, it was spiritually and emotionally toxic to to stay. My Church the Community of Christ now accepts LGBTQ people and ordinas them to the priesthood and doses same gender marriage, because we feel God has called us to do it. Unfortunately the LDS view on Sexuality is harmful and is mentally and spiritually abusive to thoses who are LGBTQ.

[@kjnightbird1772]

Typo Correction: The 3 Mormons Show is easily a "Restoration" of the Gospel one Heart at a time. God Bless!

[@Solarzano81]

This is apostasy. Pure and simple.

[@tylerg3605]

How so?

[@onyasay]

Obviously we should love everybody, that's a given. However, I feel that it's wrong to say someone's temptation/desire to have sexual relationships with someone of the same biological sex is a gift from God; to assume that if I have an innate desire that it must be from God, is just not true. I know plenty of people (myself included) who have temptations that are not things to be celebrated or paraded in 'pride'- for example, a person who has the tendency to gossip, or a married man who has the tendency/desire to flirt with other women, or a person who has the tendency/desire to be a jerk to the elderly, or a person who has the desire to have sexual relations with children, or a person who has the desire to set fire to things, a person who has the constant desire to punch people in the face, the list goes on. There are many scriptural examples too of people who had strong desires to do something, but these desires were wrong. In fact, that's a lot of what life is about- overcoming temptations, not celebrating them. That doesn't mean we beat ourselves up or make fun of others because they have different temptations to us, however it also doesn't mean we should act like temptations are a gift from God. For example, JST of 1 Samuel 16:14-16 makes it very clear that Saul's temptation to do something against the commandments, or "an evil spirit", was "NOT of the Lord". There are many other instances in the scriptures that clarify how temptations come from Satan and not from God. God ALLOWS us to be tempted, but they're not from Him. I also think this is why it's important that we avoid labelling ourselves by such temptations. Because then we start thinking "this desire is WHO I AM, it's innate, it's a part of me etc.", like, when I was a teenager I used to have anger issues/easily annoyed issues, they were a strong desire! However, if I had labelled myself "an angry woman- this is who I am!", I think that would have only made the problem worse, not better. We should label ourselves as children of God, that way we can stop obsessing over how our temptations or desires are different than others, and we can see each other for who and what we truly are.

[@ZehnWaters]

One could argue that ALL weaknesses are a gift from God as they make us turn to him.

[@onyasay]

@@ZehnWaters I agree that weaknesses can help us depend on God, however temptations are not the same thing as weaknesses. A weakness may be how easily you succumb to a temptation, for example. However, temptations don't come from God. I think James 1:12-16 is a great passage for this topic. Verse 13 says 'let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man'. The passage also talks about how those who don't succumb to temptation but have endured it, are blessed with 'the crown of life'.

[@morganscharman5027]

Sonya Grgich My ability to fall in love and my need to be loved and to have that love be recognized, respected, and protected is not a “weakness” nor a “tendency”-it’s one of the most important and beautiful aspects of human, or even godly, nature. To debase something so wonderful and amazing by comparing it to things like kleptomania and pyromania is ignorant, disrespectful, and dehumanizing. The love I have for my partner of 5 years is no less beautiful and amazing than the relationship my brother has with his wife. My love for my partner is not a “trial”, “temptation” nor my “cross to bear”. He completes me, makes me better, gives me strength when I am weak, we share our lives together and are happier for it. It’s not just a habit I can’t break. Love is love is love is love.

[@onyasay]

@@morganscharman5027 the examples I gave of how people have different tendencies for things that are against Heavenly Father's teachings are not all equally as grevious as each other- they are examples of how we all have different things to overcome. Some people have the view that nothing is wrong with being a pyromaniac, some may even think it's beautiful. That doesn't change the truth about whether it's right or wrong though. My belief that having a sexual relationship with someone of the same gender is against God's plan for His children is not disrespectful. Having different viewpoints is a result of the diverse world we live in. Something you think is a 'beautiful aspect' is not always going to be seen the same way by others. Love can exist without having a sexual relationship to make it meaningful. I believe that sex should be reserved for a marriage relationship between a man and a woman as set out in God's plan. To assume that the only way to show your love for someone else in a meaningful relationship is by having a sexual relationship with them is lust in my opinion.

[@onyasay]

@@morganscharman5027 Nothing I've just said is hypocritical and I have not asked you to give up anything. I think it's wrong for people to label me a naive person or unempathetic or a homophobe because I have a different view on relationships and the sanctity of human bodies to them.

[@karenjohansson464]

Our job is to love His children! Thank you for this episode!

[@anasazimusic6310]

Isaiah 43:10 "before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me." Mormonism teaches that there were gods before Elohim, and it also teaches that we could be gods after. Explain how Mormonism can be true given that this verse says that there is and only ever will be one God?

[@KarstenPeterson]

Anasazi Music Big mood buddy, that’s a good question

[@kjnightbird1772]

It'd be nice to believe that our spirits still have much to learn after death. But, never to the level of divinity as our Heavenly Father & Saviour. Heck, we learn so little in this life. And don't fret about the Trinity vs Mormon Godhead. One Spirit is One Spirit. The rest is mortal misunderstandings. Let us be one in Christ. 🙏

[@saras9094]

kj Nightbird you seem really nice and genuine, but according to joseph smith the Lord called creeds (ie the trinity) an “abomination”. Sounds like the issue was/is more than just a “mortal misunderstanding”. If I replaced the trinity with the Mormon godhead I’d get a totally different story of salvation. It changes everything. Yes to prayers that we may be one in Christ

[@kjnightbird1772]

@@saras9094 I'm glad that we can exchange our thoughts in an open & kind way. 💜 Mankind is no doubt still reeling from the Tower of Babel consequences - God scattering us all in different directions around the globe in different tongues, cultures & creeds - to temper our pride & humble us. And yet, I have faith His Love & Judgment will be perfect & more Loving & Forgiving than we can ever imagine. Truth is Truth, no matter the differences between Religions. ~One in Christ to the best of our abilities. Take Care, KJ

[@derekwheeler4299]

I personally don't really worry to much about the "how" of miracles. How did Jesus turn water into wine? It's certainly possible from a physics stand point e = mc^2 so then energy of water can be transformed into wine. But one theory verses another I don't think is the point of the scriptures. However to answer your question. Latter-day Saints don't technically believe that god created our spirits out of nothing. We believe God organized our spirits from eternally existing intelegences. It's in the book of Abraham (chapter 3) if you want to read about it for yourself. But it's a lot like how Jesus turned water into wine. He didn't create the the wine he but he organized the prexisiting energy. Where did the energy come from? The big bang 14 billion years ago at least. Maybe it's always existed, maybe it's eternal. I don't know. However technically we are eternal just like God is eternal, no beginning no end. That theology isn't the foundation of my faith though so if a prophet in the future provides a more inspired explanation I would shift my beliefs, but that's how I understand it today.

[@reeseypiecey5748]

I’m bisexual and have been a member my whole life. It is definitely something I’ve really struggled with. But I do know this-my Heavenly parents know me and love me. I know that that love is truly unconditional. I also know that God has a plan for me, I don’t understand all of it now, and that’s ok. All I can do now is be faithful and obedient to His commandments.

[@CraigNewsome.]

Thanks guys. This is great!. Dont be worried about the haters. Love from Your ever faithful 55 year old recent convert LGBTQ friend.

[@Hamann9631]

craig newsome. Why the harsh accusation of "hate"? People who don't want others to end up in hell will encourage them to obey God's commandments. Maybe you are the hater for encouraging people to end up in hell.

[@luxlisbon7979]

you could always just turn it off... you know... like a light switch... just go click...

[@sagemorrison360]

I'M WHEEZINGGGG

[@michaelbahr7267]

I would be interested to hear everyone's thoughts on the new question there coming up with for interviews and how fast it will come down to temple recommend. "Does this member have a testimony of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and of its doctrine, including its teachings on marriage, family, and gender"?

[@Evan-ky6qe]

When I was learning about the Book of Mormon and the prophet Joseph Smith I wanted to join the LDS church but the ward near me didn't welcome me as an LGBTQ person so I started to look around and I ended up learning about the Community of Christ. I love Saints Unscripted and I differ doctrinally from the LDS church but I think the comment section of Saints Unscripted is a welcoming place for me. a great scripture is Mosiah 23/15 "Thus did Alma teach his people, that every man should love his neighbor as himself, that there should be no contention among them."

[@paleflowers]

Can I ever become a member of the church as a transgender man? I like the gospel the church teaches but I’m really worried I’ll never be seen as a man within the church and I’ll be shunned for something I can’t change

[@gloriahunt7103]

Of course you can. I encourage you to seek the missionaries. You are a loved child of God. Who are we to judge. I hope you read this and know that you are welcomed to the Lord’s Church

[@Hamann9631]

Leah L. "...something I can't change.". The thing you can't change is that you are a daughter of God. You are a woman. You should be accepted in church for the woman that you are. One important truth for you to understand is that our genders are an eternal part of ourselves, including our pre=earth life and eternal destiny.

[@Hamann9631]

@Tyler G A person with XXY chromosomes still has the y and is a man. A person with XXX chromosomes is a woman because there is no Y. If there is anybody whose sex can't be identified because they don't have sex chromosomes (X or Y) or some other reason, they are loved children of God who will be eagerly welcomed home if they will apply the atonement of Jesus Christ to their lives. Intersex people (to my understanding that means people with "XXY" or "XXX" chromosomes and people who have a genetic disorder wherein their cells don't respond to their sex's hormones) have nothing to do with people who are certainly of one sex and have confusion, delusion, misunderstanding, hatred, phobias, regret, unreasonable guilt, embarrassment or unreasonable shame.

[@brookebennett6006]

@Tyler G Intersex isnt a separate gender. There's usually I higher percentage of characteristics of one than the other. I think its up to people to decide what they are, but there really is two options, and on the whole, it's best to stick with what God gave you to work with, unless its just a deformity that could be fixed with a surgery (informed consent of the intersex person, of course.) We don't actually have any doctrine on Intersex people so idk bro

[@Joeydanger007]

@@Hamann9631 you are ignorant to the reasons people become transgender. It’s not for you to instruct someone what their gender is or what they should feel or do. Jesus certainly didn’t judged and neither should you. You should accept someone with the pronouns they identify with.

[@timothykramer2551]

Judging people is a mortal sin

[@purplerain0517]

I'm so grateful I found this KZbin channel! Thank you, so much! I KNEW this was how it's supposed to be! Oh my goodness! I'm just...elated! Thank you thank you! You guys just solidified what I thought, but I wasn't sure if it was just my own interpretation, or if I was just becoming comfortable with my own opinions, and personal beliefs... This has definitely helped my children and I, more than you guys could ever imagine!

[@purplerain0517]

@Messerah Sooo...what you're saying is....

[@jordangiles4208]

Respect and Emotional Empathy

[@kaitlynameny6337]

Thank you so much for posting this video. I wish so much that more members had this same attitude toward the LGBTQ community. As a Latter Day Saint, I've always had an interest in how to approach the LGBTQ community with respect and friendship while still aligning myself with the beliefs and doctrine of the church. This video helped me to see things more clearly. I have recently started attending BYU and I've already seen a lot of ignorant attitudes shown towards the LGBTQ community. I don't say ignorant to mean bigoted or stupid, but in that many students here just do not have the correct knowledge or understanding of how the church interacts with those who align LGBTQ (one of my classmates believed that outed gay people were not allowed to attend BYU). It is still difficult for me to express how I feel about LGBTQ issues in this environment because many (not all) people here seem to have closed a door on these issues and don't bother with them because "that's not what our church believes in." I would love to get involved some way here and try to help change this mindset many of us have and open our thoughts and hearts towards those who don't fit in the "tidy box." Wow, I just wish every member would watch this video.

[@ZehnWaters]

Kaitlyn Martin point them to the official church website on the topic.

[@Hamann9631]

Kaitlyn Martin. The church's teachings are "respect and friendship". You are showing respect if you try to talk somebody out of cutting off a perfectly healthy body part. Friendship doesn't mean agreeing about everything, so agreement about lifestyle isn't an impediment to friendship.

[@4pedrosoares]

Modern Nehor advances inside the Church ... New apostasy approaching as in the past ... Are these the same people who teach at FairMormon? Influencing young people.

[@agusmolfino]

So, it's ok to have a homosexual orientation but not to act on it? Is that the idea in a nutshell? One problem, of course, is that sex is healthy and continually suppressing that desire is unhealthy (assuming that the person is not asexual). So in order to prohibit it, you need to prove to me that a homosexual act is detrimental to the person's physical health and/or psychology. *crickets... Since you can't do this, you might argue the weaker argument that it is bad for society. But this is not supported by the evidence either. Ok, so all you have now is 'God said so'. But this now requires that you prove that he exists (in an empirical sense) and you prove that it makes sense to listen to his/her/its dictates. Good luck with that. Look at the world with a non-mormon secular humanist lens and all of a sudden there is a clear logic for treating people well. I'd suggest checking out TheCosmicSkeptic for more on this worldview.

[@agusmolfino]

And then there is the problem of identity. If you say it is ok to identify as gay, but then prohibit something that is essential to the gay lifestyle - you are prohibiting their self-expression. And for what? ...for nothing (see above). Lastly, this idea that everyone (even us straightees!) needs to inhibit some temptations and that avoiding sexual acts is just a burden for a gay man/or woman, is a dodge that avoids the essence of the question: why is it unhealthy for the person and society? I can give you answers for pedophilia, rape, murder, alcoholism - you can't give me any for homosexual acts. They are not in the same category so stop pretending that they are.

[@davidfrey5654]

By that logic, men are born with a high attraction and high desire to look at nude women. So does that justify a man to become an avid porn watcher?

[@agusmolfino]

​@@davidfrey5654 I think its better stated that straight men are aroused by nude women - not that they have a high desire to seek out nude women....Either way, this does not entail that it is healthy to watch copious amounts of porn, since there IS evidence to suggest that doing so is bad for the person's psychology.

[@turtletoons1016]

God created men and women a person cannot change the fact they are a man or women no matter how much they feel they are the opposite.

[@popo21zman]

Just a question that Im curious about & want to know you guys answer. How do you answer the Word of God when it says this in 1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

[@ZehnWaters]

dirty shoe practice homosexuality. One can be gay and celibate.

[@Hamann9631]

Preaching In The Wilderness. I have only watched 3 minutes so far. I stopped watching to look at comments so I don't make a duplicate comment. You have a great point and question. I think we should stick with that truth revealed by God (1 Corinthians 6:9). People should not be encouraged to do those acts described in that scripture.

[@katyah999]

But how you feel inside is not a crime that I do believe

[@cinnamondan4984]

When I converted to the Church the one thing that really hindered my experience was what I perceived to be homophobia. I am straight and felt embarrassed about the church with my gay friends

[@Ether-pb5gb]

don't be embarrassed. There is a lot of misunderstanding www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/gay?lang=eng

[@iloveutah5584]

Maybe they are homophobic, maybe they are trying to avoid lgbtq because they are trying to avoid that lifestyle, maybe they just do not like talking about sex, why dont you stop judging them. You dont know their reasons.

[@Hamann9631]

6:00 That comment was better than the others earlier in this video.

[@LesleyVictoria]

So are you ok with lgbtq temple weddings?

[@LesleyVictoria]

If you aren't, this means NOTHING if you expect anyone in the lgbtq community to remain celibate for life. That's just not fair.

[@lily8000]

Richard seems like an awesome person! Well spoken, well informed, super tolerant... he's the most Christ-like member you've had on the show so far!! The Church needs more bishops like that!

[@darlenemartim9972]

Great message. Our personal relationship with God is what really counts

[@johnsax1445]

If the C of U (Church of Utah) so loves Gay People why the nastiness and vitriol spewed against them in Utah’s Amendment 3 (Gayle Ruzicka, et al) and California’s Prop 8? They have ALOT to answer for with those two events.

[@jetcitysinatra7300]

Just curious how you explain Leviticus 18 and 22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination."

[@tylerg3605]

How do you explain Exodus 21 where God explains the correct way to sell your daughter as a sex slave? Or the city of Jericho where God commanded that all the children, toddlers, Infants and Fetuses be slaughtered... for the crime of existing on God's one true real estate... The bible is NOT a good Moral code. Even right around your biblical quote, it says a man who lies down with another man should be put to death. If a politician did that today, I'd call him a vile, wretched ghoul.

[@davidsnell2605]

Hey guys as one of the 3 Mormons hosts (not featured in this video) I just thought I'd throw in my two cents on this issue: I love the love expressed in this episode. I fully agree that Latter-day Saints (myself included) have a divine duty to love everyone. The world at large (including Latter-day Saints) needs to improve at loving those with sexual orientations differing from our own. I'm impressed with Richard's determination to understand LGTBQ issues and help change others' perspectives for the better. However, I do believe a statement or two of his in this episode may be incomplete and convey the wrong idea. For example (4:01): "I look at it [sexual orientation] like red hair, being left-handed, or different colored eyes -- these are all the beautiful things God has created for diversity and beauty and harmony ... and we shouldn't go to God and ask that to change. I can't change the color of my hair, I can't change being left-handed or right-handed. I don't think we can change sexual orientation." I think this is an oversimplification of the issue. It deals with the complicated question, "are you born gay or not." Nature vs. nurture. I don't think it has to be one answer or the other. I think there is a spectrum of reasons for why some people identify with one sexual orientation over another and it's inappropriate to put every member of the LGBTQ community in the box of having no control over their sexuality. Don't get me wrong, for many people it may be absolutely true, and there is research to support that, but I really don't think it's true in every single case across the board. That said, I certainly don't ascribe to the opposite end of the spectrum either. Changing your sexual orientation isn't like flipping a light switch by any means. But by making the universal statement that homosexuality is like having blue eyes (something you're born with and have no influence over), I think we're undercutting the divine principle of agency as well as the validity of individual stories from the LGBT community. Is it possible for people to be born with a predisposition towards homosexuality? Sure. Is it possible for people to become/choose homosexuality through other means? Of course they can. Genetics, environment, hormones, personal choice -- they all play their part and influence each person differently (hence why you can find so much conflicting research on this subject). It's not as set in stone as eye color for some people. Is it possible to change our sexuality? For some people, yes! For some people, it may not be. Again, there's a spectrum. And if people want to ask God to help them change it, then I think that's totally fine. It may or may not help. I'm not trying to be homophobic by opining that it's a choice for some people, I'm simply advocating for voices like actress Cynthia Nixon, who told New York Times Magazine: "I understand that for many people it's not (a choice), but for me it's a choice, and you don't get to define my gayness for me." Anyway, just thought I'd make it known that I disagree with that aspect of this episode.

[@darthgela5622]

At 5 years old I NEVER chose to be gay as I did not even understand the difference and could not understand the difference.

[@davidsnell2605]

That's totally fine and I readily accept your experience. I believe many people share an experience similar to your own. I also believe that many, such as Cynthia Nixon, may have a different experience.

[@darthgela5622]

Sorry to clarify. I while I agree everyone has their own experience with being gay or where they are in their lives. I think it is dangerous to say that people can choose because parents or peers of gay people will use that to attack them saying "why can't you just choose to not be gay because this person chose to be or not be gay"... people don't really choose to be or not to be,it is how they respond to being gay and that also depends on where on the spectrum of sexual attraction they fall. Which was shown that it is a spectrum even back in the 50's by the Kinsey report.

[@davidsnell2605]

I agree that there is a spectrum. Many people may not have any say in their orientation, and I strongly believe that parents, peers, and church leaders should not pressure or shame people into any kind of reformative therapy. I agree that it's dangerous to say "everybody can change," but I think it's also dangerous to say, "nobody can change." I think it's fair to say some people can change and some people cannot, and if a person can't change that does not mean they're to blame. I think there's a difference between saying to yourself, "I chose this, this is my fault, I need to choose something else," and saying, "Maybe I'm genetically designed with this sexual orientation, maybe not, or maybe it's a mix of factors, but no matter what I'm happy with who I am, and if one day my orientation changes, so be it. If not, no worries." It's up to each individual to figure out where they fall on the spectrum. But to ignore the very real people that have publicly stated their sexuality is a choice (just a Google search away) is to ignore one end of that spectrum. Are there people who have zero control over their sexuality? Definitely. Let's be inclusive of them. Are there people who have some control over their sexuality? Definitely. Let's be inclusive of them, too. But no matter where you fall on the spectrum, you deserve all the love, respect, and acceptance in the world.

[@ZehnWaters]

I know of one or two who have said their orientation has changed over time. Most haven’t. The biggest thing is letting people TALK about their experience with it and not silence then because you feel like they’re story is dangerous.

[@nonrepublicrat]

He supports the LKJHGMNBZFQ orientation community. Man, the church is really making every effort to follow the trendiness of political correctness,

[@tylerg3605]

People's existence should not be political. If you disagree, you aren't the one being persecuted.

[@OntheOtherHandVideos]

@@tylerg3605 I don't know of anyone who is debating another's existence. I do know that some people are asserting that if they are not 'acknowledged' or 'addressed' as they want that that should be illegal - that is an inherently political stance, and if one plays political games, one cannot escape the political nature of that debate.

[@tylerg3605]

@@OntheOtherHandVideos There is already "forced acknowledgment or addressing." I might think that Mormonism is a cult and its members are cultists. HOWEVER, if I address a "Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" coworker or customer as a "cultist," I should be fired... Because I am creating a hostile work environment. If a Mormon walks into my establishment, I can't say, "No cultists allowed" or "What do you want, cultist?" Laws are trying to establish that basic protection for Trans people. You can still be a bigot all you want, but you can't let it affect a trans person in the workplace, housing, or public establishments. This should not be political.

[@brycew2]

Is being LGBT a gift from god or a challenge or temptation allowed by god? As a believer, it is hard for me to see it as a blessing. If I was gay, I couldn't consider it a blessing if I was a believer.

[@kelleynrothaermel2311]

While I am not gay, lesbian, or transgender, I assume that walking this road is a very difficult one within or outside the church. The more people I meet who walk this road I have come to understand is that from the time they were little or teens they knew that they were different. Many spend years trying to fit into the box of being heterosexual but in the end, they can't because that is not their true nature. I am assuming it is just like how I knew I wanted to grow up and get married to a man. I do not believe we can put it in the same category as being an alcoholic or any of the things we consider as a sin.

[@mattctr]

True love/charity does not rejoice in [celebrate] iniquity but rejoiceth in truth. (See Moroni 7 : 45). By this definition and measure, "Papa Ostler" cannot posses charity for those he claims to love, since he eschews much truth and celebrates iniquity. If someone's operational definition of love dispenses with revealed truth and replaces it with supporting iniquity itself, according to Moroni, they do not actually posses the pure love of Christ (charity). Rather, they posses the hollow revelry of the devils who mock God's revelations and co-opt symbols of His promised covenants. They are lovers of their own flesh and hate the church. True love honors God and elevates eternal identity above all other labels. Too many people think that "loving a sinner" requires retreat from the truth; it doesn't. In fact, true love for others insists on seeking their eternal welfare, which does not rejoice in iniquity but desires to draw them closer to truth and free them from soul-limiting iniquity-even if it takes long suffering to persuade them away from sin.

[@tylerg3605]

Don't be an a$$. People know what Mormons think. They don't need you to remind them.

[@mattctr]

@@tylerg3605 True love/charity does not rejoice in [celebrate] iniquity but rejoiceth in truth. (See Moroni 7 : 45). By this definition and measure, "Papa Ostler" cannot posses charity for those he claims to love, since he eschews much truth and celebrates iniquity. If someone's operational definition of love dispenses with revealed truth and replaces it with supporting iniquity itself, according to Moroni, they do not actually posses the pure love of Christ (charity). Rather, they posses the hollow revelry of the devils who mock God's revelations and co-opt symbols of His promised covenants. They are lovers of their own flesh and hate the church. True love honors God and elevates eternal identity above all other labels. Too many people think that "loving a sinner" requires retreat from the truth; it doesn't. In fact, true love for others insists on seeking their eternal welfare, which does not rejoice in iniquity but desires to draw them closer to truth and free them from soul-limiting iniquity-even if it takes long suffering to persuade them away from sin.

[@tylerg3605]

@@mattctr Joseph Smith sent a widower father off on a mission. He promised to raise the man's older children as his own. Shortly thereafter, Joseph approached the young 17 year old girl and told her God commanded her to marry him. She refused and was distraught. She writes about how she wanted to die and join her dead mother, that she was only a child and wished she had her father around to guide her... Upon sensing her distress, Joseph Smith said "I have no flattering words it is a commandment from God to you, you have 24 hours to accept his commandment, or the doors will be forever closed against you" She accepted... and there is evidence that marriage was sexual... I am tired of being lectured on "morality" by a religion that was founded by a man like that. Also why weren't black people allowed into the temple until 1978?

[@lizycole8999]

This was a really good discussion.

[@emilyjakubik]

This is a very "rainbows and butterflys" very "nice" video trying to not hurt peoples feelings. Hate the sin, love the sinner. Loving someone doesnt mean u have to "support them" and be ok with their sin (any sin for this comment). I love them despite that sin but pray for them that God will direct their steps to a righteous life. And a church that is "supportive of lgbt people...". *face palm*.

[@anthonyrippa686]

@Tyler G marry Christ. There is no better eternal companion. Give up yourself, and you will find yourself.

[@3411-q9c]

I hope revelation will come and allow gay relationships. It’s just not right to say you accept gay people but not support them in romantic relationships as they do in yours. Kind of like how black people where able to hold the priesthood... they hoped and prayed and got it. I hope this will be the same. Can you be an active member of the church and hope/wish things were different?

[@Tammy8008]

I agree fully.. unfortunately it's highly unlikely to do so, as it goes against the principal of needing male and female couples in order to have kids, and as we're talking about the LDS church it's even more important to keep it that way considering that they believe that you continue having children in heaven after we die. It would be rather hypocritical of them to do so (ironically enough it's also hypocritical to say that they love everyone as they are and that we are created in the image of God, and not allow them true happiness), although I wish they would make a change here as well. Everyone deserves to love and be loved, irregardless of whether you love someone of the same sex or not.

[@mintd8365]

As long as you don't speak out about it cause that will make you an apostate who will soon be excommunicated. 🙄

[@onetrippyhippy3170]

That will Never happen, God will never ever go against his own word.. If he says it's unnatural.. IT IS UNNATURAL. No way around it. This is something you will have to go before the Lord over.

[@Hamann9631]

34 1119. Nature doesn't support them in their relationships. Are you mad at nature or The Creator for that? The genitals of a woman prepare themselves for interaction with a man's genitals. There is no equivalent preparation in a man's body for a man's body to interact with another man. A woman doesn't have a body part which is designed to interact with another woman's genitals. Some women prove this point by calling themselves lesbians while using an artificial man part (which proves they want a man).

[@Hamann9631]

@Tyler G I refuted you ridiculous accusation that people are faking it. We are in a fallen world. There are some thing out of kilter because of that. That includes sexual temptations. Thus naturally felling an attraction doesn't prove one should do it.

[@reesegunther9797]

I'm an active member but have friends that are LGBTQ. I loved this video! I still struggle to understand why God created people this way if marriage is essential for exaltation of the highest degree--but gay marriage would violate God's law. I just can't believe that a loving Heavenly Father who desires happiness for ALL of His children would prevent LGBTQ members from having the joy that marriage can bring, or that they would be cured from being LGBTQ in the next life. Any advice on how to deal with this dissonance?

[@tezzerii]

It's something I've been thinking about for some time - it's difficult to reconcile. I'm not sure that God created people this way, or if it's a natural variation in a mortal world. There are lots of ways to rationalise, like as you said being "cured" in the resurrection - but here's my latest thought, for what it's worth - there's 3 degrees in the celestial kingdom, and you are "saved" even if you don't get to the top one, and I think it'll be pretty wonderful in the other two - you can still love people. I don't know what the answer is in terms of marriage and sex, maybe we'll see it differently, who knows - after all, formal marriage is really just a licence for procreation - then again, the terrestrial kingdom doesn't sound that bad =o) Basically, I don't know. But there's no excuse for us to treat people badly because they're "different".

[@KlydetheGlyde]

That’s a great thought pattern. I start with the question ‘does God allow natural variation?’ Why are some people blind, deformed, mentally ill, or unattractive? Why would a loving God allow any variation? If there is physical, mental and emotional variation, why wouldn’t there be sexual variation as well? I accept all these variations as Gods willingness to provide diversity and beauty in the world. A chance to recognize and love each other. So with natural variation accepted, the next question is ‘can I do anything I want since I was made this way?’ And that right there doesn’t make sense. It makes more sense that we take the gifts and uniqueness given us and do everything we can to accept Christ on his terms.

[@Frisby412]

Brother Ostler, if you haven't, you should write a book about charity or Christlike love in general and or in the context of those controversial or ostresized members.

[@whencecomestthou8624]

imagine a man getting married to another man in the holy temple, sealed as eternal companions. imagine two women getting married to each other in the holy temple as eternal companions. how freakin' cool would that be. I luv you Jesus 😍😘

[@Hamann9631]

Whence Comest Thou. Your vision would make 2 people be together who are sexually incompatible. Not beautiful.

[@davidfrey5654]

If you believe that procreation is an essential aspect of eternal life, then it's not beautiful at all.

[@katdevilmainiac]

This is incredibly necessary.

[@andrewking9973]

The way that this comes off to me is that we don't need to change and therefore we don't need the Savior. If you love someone you point them to the Savior because he can help all of us over come our temptations and trials. By telling someone they're fine they way they are and don't need to change, tells them they don't need repentance and they miss out on many blessings from the Savior. I agree we love our neighbors and those around us, but that doesn't mean agreeing with their choices that distance them from the Savior and our Father in Heaven. We will face them at the last day w great disappointment if we do.

[@Hamann9631]

Andrew King. Great point. I usually click thumbs up on Saints Unscripted videos; but, I might give this one a thumbs down for encouraging sinful and harmful behavior.

[@brookebennett6006]

​@@Hamann9631 People shouldn't be shamed for something that is part of who you are as a child of God. Being gay by orientation is not by definition someone who actively pursues sexual relationships of any kind. Same with straight people. If I told you I was gay, it wouldn't be an admission of any sin or behavior. It's just something about me. I'm sure you have sinful thoughts and ideas that you don't act on all the time, like every other normal person. They didn't say anything about encouraging behavior contrary to doctrine, they just acknowledged the existence of these people and that they deserve love and acceptance of a community.

[@iowaguy6590]

A bit off the subject here but I still refer to myself as a Mormon. I don't understand what all the hoopla is about being called a Latter day saint or a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints. I'm proud of my heritage and the oppression we faced as early day pioneers. It proves the church is strong and Heavely Father has His hand of protection on us.

[@brookebennett6006]

I'm a proud Bisexual member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I love God, I'm eternally grateful for the atonement of Christ. We are all God's children, and his goal is to bring us home to live with him. All of our journeys are different and difficult. Love one another, as Christ loves each of us. \

[@brookebennett6006]

Tyler G I don’t think it’s right to keep people from being baptized if they desire to, and I’m glad that it’s been changed. From what I understand though, they were trying to avoid instances of conflict between parents and children because our church values families above all other positions in the church. They didn’t want lawsuits or disruption or to have family members to cause disruption or violence, and I understand why they would want protect everyone involved.

[@brookebennett6006]

Tyler G Everyone deserves to be welcomed in Christ’s gospel. It was wrong and counterproductive to institute a limit for this, and that’s why it was changed. The leaders make mistakes sometimes because they are human, by I trust that they are trying to take care of all of our members and as many others in need as they can help. I do agree that the gay children that are already in the church are in a precarious position with regards to our culture. My parents are very disgusted by the concept of homosexuality and it is their right to feel this way, it doesn’t mean that they hate anyone, they just aren’t able to understand what it’s like to be gay. The only thing that can be done about this is to educate parents on the matter of loving their children unconditionally as Christ loves everyone. I think if more lgbt religious people came together to share their stories, it would make it easier for newer generations of us to feel a sense of support in their religions and in lgbt circles. A lot of religious people are prejudiced against us for being “too dirty” as if they aren’t also sinners lol, And a lot of Lgbt people are prejudiced against religious people for being “too judgmental” and I feel like if we had more of a place for those of us in the middle, those kids could reconcile their identities a little bit better.

[@brookebennett6006]

Tyler G one thing I think we need to keep in mind is that the leaders are usually very clear on weather or not they say a policy is directly from God, or it is something that has been voted on within their councils and can be changed. My heart goes out to all who feel like their leaders are not living up to their responsibilities to care for everyone. It doesn’t mean that they have hate in their hearts, just that they don’t understand. God would not give outright and specific instruction if it did more harm than good. Wherever you are in life, weather you’re a member or not, I believe God loves you and that he’s proud of whatever effort you go through to be a good person.

[@harryabelpotter9630]

The children of God are created exactly as God wanted ~ with the ability to know God, understand the commandments, and the self-determination and self-control to follow God or the adversary.

[@kevinmcallister9089]

Thank you ;)

[@VeryBeri1]

Thank you for this episode.

[@malori6615]

It’s interesting that he says being born gay is how god made you like the color of your hair or eyes but when a young girl named savannah expressed those same sentiments in a church meeting - the microphone was turned off on her and she wasn’t allowed to finish her message. Doesn’t seem like the church endorses those same ideas.

[@antoleo97]

Thank you so much guys for all your videos!! In particular the videos on difficult topics like this.. thank you so much☺️ Byeee👋🏻

[@PiercingChild]

I fail to see how being gay is a gift from God, when it dooms you to a lifetime of unhappiness and trying to pretend you're happy.

[@moxeyjc]

Is being gay what makes someone unhappy or is it the culture they live in that makes them unhappy?

[@PiercingChild]

I guess I should have said being gay in the mormon church, since you can't be with who you're attracted to. It's denying who you are and pretending to be someone else.

[@Myblacknadz]

@@moxeyjc it's them. Not society

[@addisonwinward]

God gives everyone trials because he wants whats best for you. He gives you battles that you are strong enough to deal with them. He knows it will make you strong and happy.

[@LouisMenotti]

Dooms you to a life of unhappiness? Sounds like you don't know enough gay people to make the comment.

[@kevinwindom5441]

We need more than Christ attributes we need Deliverance.

[@Ace-nu9wr]

What about the whole I'm a Mormon or meet the Mormon campaign a few years ago?!

[@WallStreetChic]

So, is the church going to remove the baptism question that asks if you have had a homosexual relationship? It’s question number 4 on the baptism interview. You can’t get baptized until you have repented of this sin...according to the missionaries. In the Bible it is an abomination for men to be with men...sounds like a commandment to me as is paying tithing...you say. So if non-paying tithes can’t go into the Temple then also anyone else breaking a commandment like homosexuality shouldn’t be allowed either. So what is the point of becoming a homosexual LDS member if you can’t ever make it into the Temple or get baptized???

[@johncalhoun6723]

This is a very broad topic, this video hits a on a small aspect of the whole lgbtq+ movement. Being gay is not a movement, gender dysmorphia is not a movement. Yes let’s all be Christlike. We do not have to embrace it. What if you identify as a demon, or a furry, or or whatever the next thing to come along. Does God embrace that? Are you going to use everyone’s pronouns? Are we now supposed let them use the bathroom of their choice in our buildings ? There is so much more to this topic than being gay or trans. We can love people without excepting a whole movement.

[@juanantonioruizcotan7327]

Gracias por este programa. Thank you so much about it. Brother Ostler, you are amazing. Gracias, muchísimas gracias por este programa desde España.

[@ThomasFackrell]

My bishop is not a great listener. He talks a lot.

[@brentgarner3143]

Thank you.

[@bendik3108]

So how many years before the living prophet gets a new revelation permitting homosexuality? Isn't the whole point of this video an attempt to soften the Mormons for a possible new revelation?

[@legacy756]

Simply feeling attracted to someone from your same sex it's not a sin but acting upon it is.

[@bardoftheglen7068]

Mormonism is always sticking their finger in the wind to figure the direction of the wind.

[@robpaulson7992]

+Bard - "And they shall heap unto themselves teachers, having itching ears . . . "

[@antoleo97]

For all the comments about changing the Church policy.. It’s not the Church that choose the commandments and the Christian living ... but it’s God that give us commandments and guidelines for our life...and this is it for aaallllll Christian Churches and organizations... How can you define your self Christian and don’t agree or feel in your heart the World of God??!!... and I’m not talk only for “LDS theology” but far all sincere people who study the world of god.. In the Bible is clear how we are supposed to live sexuality in general.. if I don’t agree with that I don’t follow this God or scriptures.. but I can’t want to change a theology and adapt that on my personal believes because is more easy for me to remain in my comfort zone.. This is only my idea.. but for me is the more logic... I can’t want to change a secular theology for my own comfort to do whatever I want to do.. if I don’t agree I don’t follow.. its so simple.. And if I have a testimony I follow also what is difficult to do.. (Sorry for my bad English, I hope that everybody understand my comments..😅😄😀) byeee

[@cynthiamarble8384]

Good show, but it doesn’t change the fact that only a married man and woman should be in a sexual relationship. Homosexuality will never be ok

[@abc-yr8nf]

Boy did he hit the nail on the head at 15:02

[@TheLastDispensation]

The last days are fun aren't they! . . Hold to the rod . .

[@UberTheRandom]

I hold to the rod at least once a day. Its good for your colon and your prostate.

[@devendietrich3445]

I catch your drift. Priestcraftin like a boss.

[@ej119]

Flexibility makes the church less prone to breaking apart but also can cause it to easily sway from side to side. Do not be fooled. Wickedness was never happiness. Materialism, physical emphasys, and outward focus is against Christ. Remember the attributes of the essene "the way". This is an inportant topic discussed by biased panelists. Ask God for answers, listen, fast and pray!

[@Stephanie-qi1ls]

Do mormons believe we not only can be like God, but we could also possibly BECOME God ourselves? - In their other videos, the 3 Mormons said they BELIEVE that there are many Gods, but they only worship the one true God. ? Is this true?

[@withkwaku]

We have a few videos on that topic, but this is the wrong comment section to ask that hahaha

[@Stephanie-qi1ls]

@@withkwaku I already watched some videos, but I still don't get it. Based on the video, I think what I mentioned above is what you believe. I just need someone to validate me because I don't want to get mromonism wrong and I would also like a straight forward answer! 😁

[@Stephanie-qi1ls]

@@joshua.snyder that sounds... Odd

[@Stephanie-qi1ls]

@@joshua.snyder What are you now?

[@Stephanie-qi1ls]

So do they we believe we could become God or not? I just need a yes or a no

[@brandonhammett2812]

It’s interesting to me how often times the people who are humbled by such public challenges are the most Christ-like, like he was saying about the LGBTQ community.

[@4pedrosoares]

Do adulterers receive the same tolerance and support? The same pride for your inclinations? The other feelings that lead to sin also cry out for tolerance. “Everybody’s sexual orientation is a gift from God and no one should feel shame inside for how they’re created”. The "anti-mormons" want to destroy the Church from the outside in, the children of Nehor want to destroy the Church from the inside out.

[@harryabelpotter9630]

@Tyler G ... God does not control us or make us anything but free. God placed us here on Earth where we can practice free agency not only to have dominion over that Earth but the ability to grow in self-control or self-mastery; or in other words, we can choose our behavior and actions. Hence, we have dominion over both our righteous and unrighteous desires. And God has sent us helps to do all that needs to be done. Just a friendly reminder: There is a huge difference between feelings, beliefs, and behaviors. The answer to your specific question is ~ I would rejoice in knowing God lives and loves me ~ and I would show Him all the respect in the world. I would worship Him by keeping His commandments and living in peace with others. PEACE

[@harryabelpotter9630]

TO: @Tyler G ... RE: Homosexual Marriage Increases Suicide Rates X 3 ... People in homosexual ‘marriages’ are almost 3 times more likely to commit suicide ~ according to modern scientific studies. note: references provided upon request. Hey Tyler, What's new? How have you been? peace

[@harryabelpotter9630]

TO: @Tyler G RE: Congratulations ! Ya ... I thought I heard you say something about marriage to another channel, when did this happen?

[@YeshuaEvangelist.]

Love LGBT people for they created in image of GOD m, but you can't be a True Christian and live in a LGBT Life Style ongoing without Repentance it contrary to Word of God.

[@hksuperstar]

This the spot. When he wears Joseph Smith’s death mask you can do whatever he wants.

[@stanleyhall8951]

Great video. Helps me understand better.

[@almacannon5163]

What happened to the teaching that homosexuality being a crime against nature which could be punishable by 23 years of imprisonment? NeoMormonism is becoming the new norm which the LDS want to pursue.