Moro is Modern Dragon Ball's BEST Antagonist

[@flameblazerofdeath13]

I really like jiren as an antagonist because he is essentially the protagonist of universe 11, and its 2 main characters throwing hands basically

[@ancientking224]

Personally I'd say it's Moro and Goku Black are two of my favorite villains from Dragon Ball Super, but also some of my favorite DBZ villains of all time. Moro was a subversion to the conventional power spectrum of DBZ, he initially didn't follow the steryotype of the next major antagonist being stronger than the previous one but rather he's an explanation to unique magical capabilities in DBS but also the fact that it said multiple times that Goku and Vegeta could've bested him anytime in Blue but through trickery and longterm planning he got as strong as he did.

[@officialgoosestudios7151]

Great video, i wish moro kept his old wizardry design though, he was just so unique in his first form. Also having a old man as a villian who uses his experience to take down more youthful opponents is cool. I love the goat grandpa

[@daliblue_]

Sameeee

[@mechajay3358]

Hot takes but I actually like when his becomes younger looking. It's the like the more he changes from his older wiser self, the more egoistical and arrogant he became that leads to his own undoing.

[@mythosinfinite6736]

We still got the wizard form and we saw it do some pretty interesting stuff. My hot take is that I like his final form, and hearing people dislike it is, to me, sort of like hearing people say "Cell should've stayed in his first form." The first form looks cool, but in a series like Dragon Ball "old man" is not going to carry you for an entire arc. The final design looks earnestly cool, and I have no problem admitting that. It's sleek and humanoid, but still keeps his demonic origins. I also like how they expressed Ultra Instinct in a really muted but noticeable way, using his fur as a basis.

[@thedivine1ite461]

Personally I like Goku black/Zamasu more and their my favorite

[@GokuBlackRose978]

I agree

[@ApolloMusicWasTaken]

The best answer

[@panzerkampfwagenviausf.b2236]

they reused the concept of villian absorbing others not once, not twice, but THREE times. FOUR if you count baby vegeta.

[@NoName......]

Different type of absorption

[@waffledough8476]

@@NoName......still constantly reusing it

[@ShitStaindGod]

They also started the arc by reusing the concept of the villain wishing to regain their youth from the Demon King Piccolo saga in the OG Dragon Ball.

[@michaelwalker8870]

All these years later and i STILL dont see the hype behind B.A.B.Y especially since him taking over the z warriors was easily avoidable and the guy was really petty and very powerful without much context

[@panzerkampfwagenviausf.b2236]

@@NoName...... oh great one absorbs people with its anus and the other one turns them into candy and the last guy is fan service to people that enjoy vore, give me a break

[@J-zf9gu]

Although I do agree that Moro is the best DBS villain, I personally think that Elec and (specifically manga) Jiren are pretty underrated as dragon ball antagonists.

[@yumin_pluto558]

I think Gas is underrated as well. Like I get why, it's partially intentional after all, but I think he's clowned on harder than needed. People tend to miss why he's the roadblock that he is.

[@J-zf9gu]

​@yumin_pluto558 When reading the Granolah arc, I mainly saw Gas as Elec's muscle since everything Gas did was in service to Elec. In my eyes, I think Elec is the actual main villain of the arc since he's essentially responsible for almost everything that happens. It's just that he prefers to have others do his dirty work for him.

[@MDHDH-iy7nm]

@@J-zf9gu Goku vs Gas is legit one of my favorite fights in the whole series. Goku's quote after he discovers the truth about Bardock and the Heaters, right before he fights Gas is so cold. "For Ultra Instinct to work, I need my heart to be calm and tranquil... and believe me, my heart is not calm now."

[@J-zf9gu]

​@@MDHDH-iy7nm Goku vs. Gas was pretty heat ngl.

[@dankerbell]

​@@yumin_pluto558gas being used by elec and elec betraying him by sacrificing his life to try and artificially force him to be the strongest is such a great moment

[@felixwilson2917]

So mad this isn’t animated yet- so excited for Diama but truly don’t get why they can’t do both

[@michaeleanthonyjr]

Frieza is also a foil to Goku in that he embodies pure talent. Vegeta served that purpose while functioning as a rival to Goku, but Frieza was the embodiment of that concept because Goku had to work his way up to Frieza's level through a combination of his hard work and innate talents as a Saiyan

[@Cringeous]

Moro went from having a really cool design with his old Goat man form into looking like Perfect Cell from TEMU. So much of Moro Arc is just retreads of the Cell arc but done worse.

[@Masterblader158]

Moro did take the now a pattern approach of DB villains absorbing and eating for power in a cool more interesting approach through him basically using his own power system within the verse alongside giving it a passive effect making it more dangerous even for those who out power him. The correct way to reuse old idea, give them a remix. Dragon Ball is a franchise that does rely on reusing concepts in new ways so him having similarities to previous antags is very understandable, Cell is most obvious but that's not a bad thing especially as he did take similar things in new directions that reflects his character and power set (and best dead villain to take inspiration from). And for his 7 3 version I do wish that alongside gaining more usual for the verse features that he basically ate a copy of himself it also ended up giving him even more demon goat features like a second pair of Mini horns in a "the devil may make himself look better but the darkness is still grows", but that would have been quite a time investment to draw so I can understand it being the streamlined version. The Goat and the mortal hater duos are certainly the stand out examples of Supers new villains.

[@rodthedigger2902]

Great video! Moro is the literal GOAT of Super!!!

[@sethrod13]

I really hate how they took Moro's goat face away

[@toughmangaming8275]

This is fair

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

I was with you then you sorta lost me in the originality section. In my mind Frieza, Cell, and even Vegeta had a focus on hedonism in some fashion. Frieza was the strongest (except Beerus and Buu) since birth and he didn't need to train to rule the universe he could conquer planets and sell them or kill anyone without any challenge until he learned of the dragon balls on Namek he had no goal other than to do what he wanted similar to Moro and immortality was simply a means to an end to ensure he could continue his life hedonistic life style. Vegeta like Frieza just did what he wanted although he worked for Frieza he largely did whatever he wanted conquering planets slaughtering billions with no grand goal other than getting revenge on Frieza once he thought he became a super saiyan on Namek. Cell's life goal was to obtain perfection and once he obtained it he like the others did what he wanted once he no longer had a goal setting up a tournament for fun just to test his new power. Now the others and Buu being hedonistic doesn't invalidate Moro since his brand of Hedonism is somewhat unique with his theme of absorbing planets I just feel overall that doesn't make him completely unique compared the others since the other villains had some hedonism to them. Same for Moro making back up plans or being cold and ruthless to his soldiers Frieza, Vegeta, Cell and even Buu (technically Super Buu) did those things. As for the Devil vs Angels stuff you've stated in past videos you will present interpretations of the story you believe in even if they weren't intended so although I don't think Toriyama or Toyataro were going for a Lucifer vs Angels/God thing I can't just say you're wrong or disagree on that completely. Pretty sure goku's journey of gaining strength from hard work and the connections he's made is a foil to the others as well not just Moro. Frieza didn't train his whole life and just bullied the weak, Vegeta same as Frieza he even mocked Goku's methods of training when they first met and continued to deny it by only relying on zenkai boosts until post Namek, Cell like Moro got everything from taking by absorption, Buu was the incarnation of Evil but thanks to Goku's choice of saving Mr. Satan instead of gohan ultimately was what allowed him to defeat buu etc. While Moro's beat down of the z fighters was certainly more brutal (especially on Goku) compared to modern antagonists I wouldn't say it's the worst they've gotten compared to Beerus, Jiren, and other antagonists. I disagree saying it was Goku's victory against Moro while yes him choosing to wish for Buu to be reincarnated was what allowed him to win it's just a fact without Vegeta's forced spirit fission and everyone else's help he wouldn't have won. Like you I don't have a problem with 73 Moro while I wish he kept his Goat like face it isn't a deal breaker, to me the better choice would've been for 73's Gem to just appear on Moro's head and body not changing his face at all then I'm sure no one would've complained or at least not as much. This is not me trying to say "Moro is not unique or original in any shape, way, or form" I just don't think he's as original/unique as you presented him in this video as like I explained many of the things you praise Moro for was done in some form by Frieza, Vegeta, Cell, and Buu but he's still one of the better antagonists of Super.

[@averagejoe8573]

Damn you just gave me a whole new appreciation for this guy

[@iiizaiii9107]

Goku giving him a senzu bean is one of the worst db moments

[@toughmangaming8275]

Why?

[@Probably-Spider-Juan]

MY GOAT HAS UPLOADED AGAIN

[@mechajay3358]

Moro has been the legit GOAT from Start to Finish in his arc. He's one of the more refreshing villains in Modern Dragon Ball.

[@aetherialbeing4223]

I 100% agree with the title, I adore the literal GOAT and always have, easily my favourite villain in the series

[@dwightnorton3398]

Agree , This is our history

[@notreallyabackup]

I feel like DBS is best when you go back and take it all in. Every time I turn around, someone is saying "This thing in Super wasn't as bad as we said it was before" and almost every time I've agreed.

[@StoneyD]

I dont see Gas as villain. I see Elec as the villain of the arc and Gas was just a tool.

[@garrethizer]

I do thing they kinda fumble moro near the end But if the anime continues its own canon like it did before if we ever get super 2 I hope they can change up a couple things

[@brkmnly]

Moro is the most underrated villain and we need to see him animated; the whole saga is crazy!!!!!! especially with SSGSS Evolved Vegeta!!!

[@Soiigata]

He isn't underrated he's just trash

[@gregkareem9824]

​@@Soiigatacope

[@sunsetsonyBLvTT]

7 3 Moro looks soo cool I got him as my first tattoo.

[@sirrubensandwich]

I think Moro is a great villain, I just really don't care for his final design, and personally I think he's a big reason most people want dragon ball super to get another anime season he's without a doubt, the goat(pun intended) of the current super manga material

[@astral5629]

GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT MANNNNN🔥🐐🔥

[@shane_edwards]

sickk

[@dankerbell]

"no one does it as well as sukuna" oof, anime-only?

[@toughmangaming8275]

@@dankerbell nah I’m caught up, Sukuna is peak.

[@bluetone-amv]

Ugh, JJK rowling kaisen is so bad.

[@jamainegardner4193]

​@@toughmangaming8275 yeah even in death Sukuna is the 2nd best thing in JJK

[@mumenrider1908]

@@jamainegardner4193first is def Gojo

[@devin2796]

Another video drop let’s go!

[@Jodipo]

Agreed.

[@shadburkett8603]

JUSTICE FOR (some) SUPER VILLAINS!

[@jamainegardner4193]

I just wish he died to Vegeta. Either he should've died in chapter 61, or save him for after MUI. The entire arc sets Moro up as *_Vegeta's_* villain. He was the protagonist of this arc. If you wanna give Goku his win, the granolah arc sets that up way better. Also Goku learning about Bardock would've been a way better trigger to achieve MUI than Merus's sacrifice.

[@M3rtyville]

Hearts: Hold my cubes

[@pkpyro2000]

Seeing Moro in color makes his 7-3 form look a bit cooler i gotta admit

[@bait3019]

Bojack is oldest non canon best dbz antagonist adhd version

[@alfieingrouille1528]

I LOVE MORO FUCK THE HATERS

[@Crimsonking468]

Personally I think Moro was my Favorite Villian in Dragon Ball Super’s Manga.

[@Rae-tz3tq]

Your spitting I personally like Moro he’s very cool

[@davigabriel783]

I wish he does more magic stuff rather than being a cell ripoff at the end

[@danielbob2628]

Alright, I'm gonna say it. Moro is Tirek.

[@Highball1417]

I don't get people who like him. Yes he started kinda interesting but just fell apart as the arc progressed. He has no personality or an interesting motive or an origin, he's a bad amalgamation of previous superior DB villains. Even the most interesting thing about him, his design and his magic were taken from him by the end of the arc.

[@unaisibrahim1393]

Yea but you forgot to mention how similar the traits of OG DB's Demon King Piccolo has. It's a way closer vibe to Moro than even cell. An old frail character claws his way towards reaching his prime, sadistically laying waste to all his enemies etc. Using his children like Drum/Tambourine/cymbal to systematically murder the protagonists as his army. So I don't fully agree that Moro is this unique take on a DB villain. The similarities are just to apparent

[@Lioleusu]

My personal favourite DBS antagonist is honestly Gas, his powers were fun and he's literally a dreadhead. The final design is the only real thing I dislike about Moro tbh, I like basically everything else.

[@bertcarroll1243]

Moro he ate too much food cell on the right, he won the race of eating so much hamburgers cheeseburgers you name it on that race😅 10:35

[@michaeleanthonyjr]

Cell Max is okay. He's a force of nature villain designed to let the story focus more on the surrounding characters than the character of Cell Max himself. Force of Nature villains are under-appreciated, but I also understand entirely why people would dislike Cell Max due to retreading old ground and having no character

[@toughmangaming8275]

While I agree that force of nature villains are under-appreciated, I do not like Cell Max. I think the point of other characters getting the spotlight would be valid if the Super Hero arc was actually good. Furthermore, I think there was no reason for him to have any connection to Cell whatsoever, I kinda view him as a bastardization of the original character. Nonetheless, I appreciate your stance an I think unsympathetic villains who are mindless monsters can be pretty cool, Cell Max just isn't one of them (for me).

[@michaeleanthonyjr]

@@toughmangaming8275 I agree. I get the impression that Cell Max exists for the purpose of the rhyme of storytelling involved in the Super Hero arc with recurring motifs borrowed from previous arcs. I wouldn't say that he has no reasons to be connected to Cell whatsoever, but I do think there was every reason that he should have been a uniquely designed individual creature since his creator was clearly a different thinker than Gero and has different design sentiments. I also agree that the Super Hero arc wasn't all that good either lol.

[@thelettucebarrel7784]

What’s so bad about the Superhero arc? It’s actually fantastic.

[@yumin_pluto558]

@@toughmangaming8275 Instead of arguing anything I disagree with in your statement, I'll just say that Cell Max is based on Cell X. He is a Dragon Ball Online character that was also a mindless recreation of Cell by a revived Red Ribbon Army. A lot of ideas that Toriyama wrote for Dragon Ball Online got reused in Dragon Ball XenoVerse/Heroes or Super. Cell Max is one of those reused ideas.

[@nightlydata2181]

@@toughmangaming8275 I think "bastardization" was the point tho. Also Sayin Super hero arc wasn't "good" is a take. good vid imo but cell max is fine

[@thevipez8740]

Biggest problem i have with Moro is that Toyotaro just threw out all power scaling making it all stupid The planet namek attacking goku and vegeta should be zeptatiollionssooan of times weaker than 1% of goku and vegeta yet it can affect them? And how eating planets and the energy of one planet is touted as a big deal just makes zero sense

[@shockwavesyndrome6433]

It’s almost like the power scaling is stupid and is never even implied to be true in the show. Ask yourself, if goku can destroy a universe a million times why is beerus and everyone else terrified of Zeno who can only destroy 12?

[@thevipez8740]

@@shockwavesyndrome6433 No zeno cant just destroy 12? He can destroy anything in reality no matter what Also even if you want to say the power scaling is already a bit weird, one thing that NEVER happened in super so far was this weird insistance that planet level is a big deal somehow, which happens in the moro arc, its so bizzare and the manga repeats it over and over again which literally breaks the entire story

[@user-xs3rc1ut8h]

​​​@@shockwavesyndrome6433 if beerus and goku fear then zeno is just much stronger, pretty simple

[@toughmangaming8275]

So I interpreted the magic of planets as being infused with Moros own energy. Or if the energy of planets works similar to the spirit bomb (by that I mean the power of the spirit bomb is pretty consistently stronger than the sum of the energies of those who contribute to it), then the power of planets would be WAY more powerful than normal ki blasts.

[@Probably-Spider-Juan]

I MUST CONSUME TOUGHMAN GAMING CONTENT

[@itz_arrchie]

True, which is sad

[@BeefBruh]

Moro is legitimately a copy of Cell plot wise kinda. The fact that you show at least 4 incidents that are near identical in their execution but differ in just the context should make it pretty obvious that Moro is a loan.

[@toughmangaming8275]

Uhh nuh uh. Jk, I do disagree, but I'm not sure if I can explain this any better than I do in the video.

[@michaeleanthonyjr]

@@BeefBruh I think it's important to exercise caution when drawing comparisons. If you look for similarities between new writing and old writing, similarities are inevitable because no idea is original, that's why it's important to take the moments with context when you draw comparison and see how the differences impact the story. For instance: 1. Vegeta is a strong Saiyan who greatly outclasses the strongest of the Z-Fighters like Raditz 2. Frieza is a pure talent villain who is cruel and uncaring and relies on his innate talents to win battles like Vegeta 3. Cell is literally a combination of every relevant character that predates him and therefore possesses all their strengths and flaws 4. Buu is a villain who gains power by consuming his victims like Cell We could even go further back to Dragon Ball for comparisons to Tao Pai Pai and Tien and King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr. But you wouldn't call any of these villains copies of the previous villain in good because they're obviously unique due to their similarities coming from different circumstances, and their differences leading to different stories

[@mythosinfinite6736]

​@@michaeleanthonyjr Careful, that's too many words. We all know Dragon Ball fans can't read, especially not their own manga.

[@lordraiden7397]

Let's use king piccolo with the rest of these villains in Z, then you can keep the double standards.

[@robertofitch5909]

Even zamasu was better than moro lmao

[@Dbonesburneraccount]

Can we count black frieza as a villain?

[@toughmangaming8275]

Yes. I wasn’t really including him in comparative statements just because he hasn’t really done anything yet.

[@fares_gamer603]

CAGE X TOUGHMAN GAMING COLLAB WHEN BOYS 🗣🔥

[@srensen9948sander]

Valid

[@cheatyhotbeef2636]

"shout out to this video! I didn't watch it" lmao bet you didn't even read the dbs too

[@toughmangaming8275]

@@cheatyhotbeef2636 🤓

[@cheatyhotbeef2636]

@@toughmangaming8275 "I just want to give credit where credit is due" when no credit is due 🗿 if you can't even understand where credit is appropriate, it shows a lack of objectivity

[@alfieingrouille1528]

Your face=🤡​@@cheatyhotbeef2636

[@darklordyianni4463]

....Zamasu(both of him)would like a word with you...he has more personality

[@LSSJTHOR]

DB Deliverance > Toyotaro DBS

[@thagawd6302]

Morro the best villain but the goku black Arc is the best arc dragon ball ever written

[@abdelazizalali5084]

how is jiren below hit LMAO 0:49

[@michaeleanthonyjr]

Hit has character. Very little, but at least some character

[@Scarlight_JB]

@@michaeleanthonyjrJiren has a character but you kinda have to put aside the stupid decision to give him a backstory and flaws at the very end of the arc and reevaluate him after said information is given to us. Jiren’s an insecure and traumatized individual whose goal to become the strongest is solely so that he may never feel weak or powerless again like when he lost his master, and so he would never have to rely or put trust into others. I think that’s pretty interesting. He’s not the greatest antagonist ever but he’s got more going on than people think.

[@exzyyd392]

I can only watch a man get hit and then stand there unfazed while everyone yells about how strong he is so many times before it becomes boring and annoying

[@michaeleanthonyjr]

@@Scarlight_JB That's the type of character writing that is essentially speculative because a majority of his time spent is just showing off his power. Any character can have an interesting backstory that informs their present decisions, but if a majority of those decisions lead to a character who barely interacts, barely emotes, and barely expresses interesting ideas, then you don't have much of a character at all, no matter how interesting a backstory they may have. Characters are not what they say or what others say about them. They are what they do, and Jiren does very little but serve as a wall to be overcome.

[@Scarlight_JB]

@@exzyyd392 That’s precisely the problem with him. They had the option to give him some depth, but he only shows his true nature at the literal end of the show (most likely because they didn’t come up with it yet). Thus making the audiences perception of him up until that point be nothing but a walking wall and not much else, and I also agree the repeated attempts at other more interesting characters hyping him up over and over is terrible and breaks the show don’t tell rule of storytelling.

[@SalimShahdiOff]

Black is better, because the story around him is better

[@SM-zn6rf]

I mean the bar is EXTREMELY low so I guess you have a point

[@NoTax9149_banned_on_reddit]

Don't compare this random to Cell, lol

[@lightingthief4482]

F no

[@yvngvudu]

Casual Anime Guy is so cringe.

[@alfieingrouille1528]

Projecting

[@uasyagrutch7406]

No he's awful lol.

[@gokuvegeta1167]

Moro cool but cooler is cooler

[@LizardKingRequiem]

I like moro but his problems are extremely visible still. But i dont blame moro, i blame toyotaro for being a hackfraud 🫢

[@luxuriousmindset1906]

He is