Toyota RAV4 (2019-2025): How To Replace Front Brake Pads And Rotors In The New Toyota RAV4?

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Morozov Automotive

Morozov Automotive

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@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 3 жыл бұрын
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@knight3131
@knight3131 Жыл бұрын
Do you know what is the minimum thickness of the rotor ?
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive Жыл бұрын
@@knight3131 The minimum or discard thickness for the front rotors is 25mm.
@MC-bw5fc
@MC-bw5fc 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support! :)
@Loudadon47
@Loudadon47 Жыл бұрын
Wow I just saved myself 1000 bucks!
@jaunc964
@jaunc964 Жыл бұрын
Great video, just did my break pads and rotors. Took me a bit but I got it done. Thank you so much.
@reanderson10
@reanderson10 2 жыл бұрын
If only the dealerships would take their time to inspect those gaps, leaks, and wear everyone's cars would be running safer and cleaner. Thank you for the video.
@BorderTurrets
@BorderTurrets Жыл бұрын
Yeah after 2 Mazda dealers quoted me around 270 dollars for OEM pads with no hardware I said screw it and started to diy as much maintenance as possible. No labor included lol. Found powerstop brakes for the front and rear that were 100 after taxes and delivery and installed it myself. The investment in tools pays for itself within the first 2 years.
@bobkk-ev5ls
@bobkk-ev5ls 10 ай бұрын
Deese are 40 bucks tops for dront pads at my local parts place ​@@BorderTurrets
@peterpanousopoulos5274
@peterpanousopoulos5274 3 жыл бұрын
You guys are great cant wait to fix my brakes, looks very easy after watching this video. Thanks
@firstandlastname2390
@firstandlastname2390 Жыл бұрын
Спасибо из Якутии ❤
@deebee3901
@deebee3901 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Mr Frost. You were most thorough and explained fine details. I hope to see more from you!
@user_foxbat25
@user_foxbat25 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the pro video.
@thatzfever7294
@thatzfever7294 3 жыл бұрын
WOW!! Amazing Video!! DIY doesn't get better than this!! Thanks!!
@geraldevans2535
@geraldevans2535 3 жыл бұрын
Old pads are still good. Nice video
@playthewater
@playthewater 2 жыл бұрын
Great job. Nice video and torque specs included!
@sptrader6316
@sptrader6316 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent, very thorough explanation and very well filmed and great audio. I like the Toyota design too.
@trueblue.6.29
@trueblue.6.29 Жыл бұрын
Great video good job.
@charlosrossi
@charlosrossi 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I needed. Thanks
@BlancaM-w6f
@BlancaM-w6f 10 ай бұрын
Thank you sir. I'm gonna do the brakes on my rav4 today
@KBMaximus
@KBMaximus 10 ай бұрын
Clean as all hell. I love it.
@WWT80
@WWT80 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing I learned a lot
@MsNike68
@MsNike68 3 жыл бұрын
Ключики у Вас - на загляденье!
@Ares_Ibarra
@Ares_Ibarra Жыл бұрын
Thank you my friend.
@jeffliu1697
@jeffliu1697 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative /instructive. I'm going to replace my front brake pad. 25000 miles. Began squeaking since 20k miles. Dealer wants to upsell for $350.
@orlandparkcounselors
@orlandparkcounselors Жыл бұрын
Holy crap dude 20k miles?! You might just have debris stuck in there. Use aftermarket ceramics and get at least 60k.
@condor5635
@condor5635 Жыл бұрын
@@orlandparkcounselors- I totally agree. He must be really bad on his brakes. I got 75,000 miles on my brake pads for my Highlander. You should easily get 40 or 50,000. If you’re having to change them after 25 you’re not driving it correctly
@k1llersm0ke32
@k1llersm0ke32 4 ай бұрын
Lol.. they wanted 600 for just the front brake pads at Firestone
@k1llersm0ke32
@k1llersm0ke32 4 ай бұрын
@@orlandparkcounselorsare you 🥴.. he said he his pads are still at about 90%.. he didn’t just take brand new ones out of the box
@JohnVanHare
@JohnVanHare 8 ай бұрын
Excellent video! Thank you so much!
@klepetar
@klepetar 11 ай бұрын
thank you for doing this viceo.. well done
@hassanshahbazi8490
@hassanshahbazi8490 7 ай бұрын
Excellent video, thanks bro...
@danielmota1095
@danielmota1095 5 ай бұрын
A great video !! thanks
@torobear2192
@torobear2192 10 ай бұрын
Thanks bog time ❤
@SD-it8nj
@SD-it8nj Жыл бұрын
Great content! Can you show where exactly to lift the car safely from front and back with floor Jack and 4 Jack stand for tire rotation please? thanks!
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive Жыл бұрын
Thanks! How To Jack Up And Do Tire Rotation In The New RAV4 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4W9aZqFmZpqfpo
@SD-it8nj
@SD-it8nj Жыл бұрын
@@MorozovAutomotive appreciate as always!
@NathanielLaZard
@NathanielLaZard 4 ай бұрын
Thanks...Great video!!!!
@sammmyds39
@sammmyds39 3 жыл бұрын
You guys are awesome thanks a lot
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 3 жыл бұрын
No problem. Thanks Sammy!
@iwirt6347
@iwirt6347 3 жыл бұрын
good job comrade
@williambyrnes9742
@williambyrnes9742 3 ай бұрын
Excellent video
@cuberoot1588
@cuberoot1588 3 жыл бұрын
What is the diameter and thread pitch of the screw you used to remove the rotor?
@mnj1tdk12
@mnj1tdk12 2 жыл бұрын
M8 x 1.25mm
@jamzempire
@jamzempire Жыл бұрын
Leave it off
@joec2174
@joec2174 4 ай бұрын
The Caliper pins should be removed , inspected and either cleaned or replaced. Especially if one pad is more worn as compared from either side.
@formulaonefanme6133
@formulaonefanme6133 3 жыл бұрын
Coll video
@stringfellowhawk4843
@stringfellowhawk4843 7 ай бұрын
Sheesh I cant imagine EVER doing this kind of work wearing a sweater. I'm on the gulf coast in the US and you'll be soaked in sweat in the first 5 minutes no matter what time of year.
@felixlaboy1453
@felixlaboy1453 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video. What brand tools do you use or recommend
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! There are lots of great brands that you can use. I would say, it depends on your budget. Usually, the more expensive tools are made better and last longer. Snap-on, Gearwrench, Craftsman are some of them.
@felixlaboy1453
@felixlaboy1453 2 жыл бұрын
@@MorozovAutomotive Thank you.
@arthurarthur9745
@arthurarthur9745 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Is it always necessary to bleed brake fluid after replacing the brake pads 🤔
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! No, you don't need to bleed brake fluid after replacing brake pads.
@Jake51500
@Jake51500 6 ай бұрын
GREAT VIDEO!! I have an issue with front passenger side speed sensor on my 2017 RAV4 - malfunction codes up on the dash. I cleaned the sensor but the warnings remain on the dash. Code reader is not picking up anything now & can't clear them. Any suggestions? Thanks
@marianomontenegro7144
@marianomontenegro7144 3 жыл бұрын
what is the size of the nut that you used to remove the rotor
@karthikgoyal6611
@karthikgoyal6611 2 жыл бұрын
Please show me how to do change brake fluids in 2019 toyota rav4 Xle premium…
@michelgauvin2473
@michelgauvin2473 2 жыл бұрын
At 6:20 what type of screw are you using to push to remove the rotor?
@pierreverdoni
@pierreverdoni Жыл бұрын
m8 1.5 inches.
@werobeast
@werobeast Жыл бұрын
@@pierreverdonido you need the screw? Can I just hammer it off?
@urgenwangchuk
@urgenwangchuk 3 жыл бұрын
So dont need to press the parking brake switch down with accessory on? For the front? Ty
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 3 жыл бұрын
No, you dont. Electric parking brake only blocks rear wheels.
@rickyrontale285
@rickyrontale285 Жыл бұрын
Hi morozov, Watching your KZbin you explained on how to replace the rear brake pads of Rav 4 2019 to 2020, to just clarify again, during the process, did you ever press the foot brake ( before and after) when you pressing service mode? Thank you
@mikhailageev7609
@mikhailageev7609 2 жыл бұрын
Добрый день, Андрей! Спасибо за Ваши старания помочь всем нам! У меня вопрос - для RAV 4 `21 Hybrid комплект для замены передних и задних тормозов будет отличаться от негибридной модели?? Спасибо!
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 2 жыл бұрын
Здравствуйте! И в обычную версию Рав4, и в гибридную ставятся одинаковые колодки. Задние - 0446602380, передние - 044650E060.
@mikhailageev7609
@mikhailageev7609 2 жыл бұрын
@@MorozovAutomotive Спасибо, Андрей, а тормозные диски как-то отличаются?? E-bay и Amazon по поиску для гибридных выдают ноль.. Это потому, что комплекты идентичны для этих модификаций? Спасибо ещё раз!
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 2 жыл бұрын
Здесь необходимо уточнить- если у вас" Plug-in Hybrid"( он же "Prime" на северо-американском рынке) с возможностью внешней подзарядки, то тормозные диски и колодки от обычного гибрида не подходят. Диски и колодки бензиновой версии и обычного гибрида взаимозаменяемы в Северной Америке. Ничего не можем сказать о российской сборке. Всегда лучше проконсультироваться у местного дилера.
@knight3131
@knight3131 Жыл бұрын
The CRC SL3301 Synthetic Brake & Caliper Grease, 2.5 Wt Oz - did you put it around the rubber of the caliper ?
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive Жыл бұрын
You can apply a small quantity of this grease between metal plates on the back of the brake pads to reduce possible noise. If you need to use a lubricant for the caliper pins, we recommend this product: BRAKE CALIPER PINS LUBRICANT - Permatex 20353 Ultra Disc Brake Caliper Lube, 2 oz - amzn.to/42uahsu.
@charlieanguiano3437
@charlieanguiano3437 2 жыл бұрын
Is electric brake how you desactve the caliper to put the new brakes 🤔
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 2 жыл бұрын
You don't need to deactivate electric parking brake to replace front brakes.
@brownandproud55
@brownandproud55 9 ай бұрын
what about the rear brakes?
@arthurarthur9745
@arthurarthur9745 3 жыл бұрын
Good job. Also excellent video resolution. Well done. A friend told me that before replacing front brake pads I must disable (Brake Control) by removing the (Brake Booster Assembly) or else I would probably get DTC C1214 on my Hybrid RAV4!! What do you think? Is my friend right? Awaiting your most appreciated response on this.
@rtbbor
@rtbbor 3 жыл бұрын
After replacing/removing disc rotors you must check disc runout using dial indicator. Maximum runout is 0.05 mm. Find the best of five possible positions.
@knight3131
@knight3131 Жыл бұрын
Do you know what is the minimum thickness of the rotor ?
@Captain-Fubar
@Captain-Fubar 4 ай бұрын
So do you need to use thread locker on the bolts or not?
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 4 ай бұрын
From the factory they come without the threadlock. Toyota does not have a mandatory requirement to use it. As long as you torque bolts to the right spec you should be fine.
@gamingps5445
@gamingps5445 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Toyota RAF 4 2019 Back door opens, not closes, and when the button is pressed to close it sounds like a whistle and does not close the door. Please can you help me .
@JigglesAndLaughter
@JigglesAndLaughter 2 жыл бұрын
Does this apply to the RAV4 hybrid as well, since hybrid model had regenerative breaking hardware?
@bssw218
@bssw218 2 жыл бұрын
It's the same. The 2019+ hybrid and gas RAV4 have the same caliper and rotors. Hybrid RAV4s also have aluminum knuckles as the vehicle in this video so torque specs should be correct too. All the brake regen is done via the motors inside the transmission and rear differential.
@jacobcutrer
@jacobcutrer 2 ай бұрын
If I want to do the rear, how do I go about putting it in park? Do I just block the front and leave it in neutral and turn it off?
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 2 ай бұрын
You need to activate the rear brake service mode in order to replace rear brake pads: Toyota RAV4 (2019-2025): Rear Brake Service Mode. EPB Actuator Release. No TechStream! - kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3u6anuggJuohpo. You can also use the 12V battery to manually release (unwind) the electric parking brake: Toyota RAV4 (2019-2025): How To Service Rear Brakes? Electrical Parking Brake Actuator Release - kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6DMpaGce9iDkLs.
@Opinionated219
@Opinionated219 5 ай бұрын
As a serious shortcut, you can simply remove the cradle that the caliper fits in. The entire caliper and cradle can then be removed by only removing two bolts. This is efficient only if replacing the rotors and pads, as the rotor requires the cradle be removed. So, skip the caliper bolts shown this video and move to the cradle bolts. The caliper will stay bolted to the cradle and pull right out. You can pop out the pads and insert new ones while the caliper is still mounted to the cradle. Don't forget, this is one heavy hunk of metal you are playing with. Support it with your hands, rest it on the heat shield, or tie up up to your shocks/struts above....but do not let it hang by the brake line or it will pull out of the crimp and leak. Exception...if you want to clean and detail your bolts or caliper, then feel free to spend as much time removing all four bolts, then wire brush scrub as much as you want, lol.
@ec433
@ec433 2 ай бұрын
It's still best to remove the caliper so that you can Grease the slide pins and in that way keeping your caliper from binding up causing underwear on your brake pads
@stefslyfe
@stefslyfe Жыл бұрын
I changed the pads but couldn’t get the damn bolts on the bracket to budge in order the change the rotors. Not a desperate need right now so I’ll try again when we get another relatively cool day.
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive Жыл бұрын
A longer ratchet may work. You can also try using the penetrating oil.
@bssw218
@bssw218 2 ай бұрын
Check your torques for the caliper bracket. For aluminum knuckles the torque is closer to 150 Nm.
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 2 ай бұрын
Hi, yes, there are two torques for the caliper bracket bolts, one for the steel steering knuckle and one for the aluminum steering knuckle: Front Caliper Bracket Bolts Torque (Steel Steering Knuckle): 79 lbf-ft or 107 Nm. Front Caliper Bracket Bolts Torque (Aluminum Steering Knuckle): 111 lbf-ft or 150 Nm. It is a good idea to check at the dealership using your VIN number the correct torque value of your RAV4 before you start working on the brakes.
@nosyoj5140
@nosyoj5140 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, what brand of hydraulic jack did you use and what is the maximum height of your hydraulic jack
@oscuras6910
@oscuras6910 3 жыл бұрын
For the caliper guide pin are you sure it is a 17? Tried using it ans seems it's too small
@mackzyanz5703
@mackzyanz5703 20 күн бұрын
Hello. Are those torques on screws in the manual?
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 17 күн бұрын
Yes, they are.
@jeddrickpablico7352
@jeddrickpablico7352 2 жыл бұрын
Hello. Does this procedure also work with a corolla 2020?
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it will be very similar.
@willgreeninlove
@willgreeninlove 26 күн бұрын
Is it possible to have the rotors turned?
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 18 күн бұрын
Yes, rotors can be resurfaced.
@cgofmh
@cgofmh 2 жыл бұрын
Вау Спасибо огромное Просто и понятно буду с коллегой на выходных Rav 4 менять Вопрос такой Стоит ли менять масло в коробке как требуется каждые 40 к
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 2 жыл бұрын
Здравствуйте, масло самому можно менять только в ручной коробке передач. Для автомата после замены нужен апдейт софта у дилера и сама процедура требует спец инструмент.
@cgofmh
@cgofmh 2 жыл бұрын
@@MorozovAutomotive спасибо большое Значит я сам не полезу А многие говорят говорят, что вообще не стоит менять, что в коробке оно не портится Какое ваше мнение
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 2 жыл бұрын
Автоматическая коробка действительно "запечатана" , без контакта с атмосферой деградация масла минимальна но неизбежна, это так же неизбежно будет менять нормальный алгоритм работы коробки. Бортовой компьютер просто компнесирует эти изменения с учетом старения масла. Если масло заменили на новое, независимо от пробега (даже после нескольких тысяч), кто-то дожлен сообщить компьютеру что масло новое и необходимо вернуться к нулевой точке отсчета.Обычно это оборудование только у спецов с Тойоты. Сложность непосредственно физической замены масла состоит в точном определении уровня в коробке при заданной температуре (не линейная зависимость обьёма от температуры). Всё это есть у дилера и он не торпиться делиться ни оборудованием ни софтом. Есть трюки для замены масла но без апдейта софта коробка будет работать с провалами и зависаниями и чем старее было масло до замены тем заметнее буду эти явления на новом масле. Рекомендованного пробега для трансмиссионного масла нет, комп сам отправит код для сообщеняя о техобслуживании когда насчитает достаточное колличество оборотов вала в коробке, либо дилер порекомендует сделать этот сервис базируясь на своей информации. Подтверждённой статистики для такого пробега пока нет- слишком молодая модель.
@onebadhombre5958
@onebadhombre5958 7 ай бұрын
IN CASE ANYONE IS WONDERING…..For the bolt used to take off the rotor i ended up taking one off the engine. The bolt was in front of the oil fill cap in between a bracket that’s shaped like a U right above / across a ground wire . I took it off with a 12 MM socket…. For anyone wondering ❤
@ChicagosHomie
@ChicagosHomie 6 ай бұрын
A1 advice
@user-dz5ph6ku3d
@user-dz5ph6ku3d 3 ай бұрын
You are an absolute beauty for this! Much appreciated. Excellent explanation. I love you
@johnchoi2726
@johnchoi2726 3 ай бұрын
Do you know the timeline for this procedure?
@___Karma__
@___Karma__ 2 ай бұрын
​​@@johnchoi2726it's the part for removing the rotor. You can also smack it with a rubber mallet. The bolt OP was talking about is a valve cover bolt. Personality Id rather not, but if it works in a pinch then it's a solid idea. The valve cover does have a tightening sequence which if you remove that bolt could produce valve cover leakage theoretically.
@cadger10
@cadger10 2 ай бұрын
Good catch!! Thanks for this comment!!
@SonnyVu-d8n
@SonnyVu-d8n 11 ай бұрын
Ty
@3100fps
@3100fps Ай бұрын
Where did you get that screw to break the rotor free?
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 29 күн бұрын
M8-1.25 BOLT - M8-1.25 x 70mm Stainless Steel 18-8 304 A2-70 Fully Threaded Hex Bolts 5pcs - amzn.to/3Yl3M8k.
@3100fps
@3100fps 29 күн бұрын
@@MorozovAutomotive Thank you.
@urdangerzone
@urdangerzone 2 жыл бұрын
Bolts to get the rotor off are M8x1.25 since he doesn’t seem interested in answering that question
@TheRealGtarisUkr
@TheRealGtarisUkr 3 жыл бұрын
Здравствуйте, у меня вопрос: У дилера мне сказали что не рекомендуется менять колодки и диски самому, если в комплектации с emergency electronic brakes, что если я сам туда полезу, потом не будет работать эта система. Подскажите пожалуйста, врут или действительно так?
@dwayne0t
@dwayne0t 3 жыл бұрын
Can't I just use the actuated parking brake instead of chocking the opposite diagonal wheel?
@bssw218
@bssw218 2 жыл бұрын
How confident are you that your parking brake is in good condition? Chocks are like jack stands
@rebeccacervantes4392
@rebeccacervantes4392 29 күн бұрын
Does it matter if I have a AWD?
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 19 күн бұрын
No, for the brake replacement it does not matter.
@AaronTrimbleMusic
@AaronTrimbleMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Or use a hammer from the back of the rotor, hammer in star pattern so you don’t damage mounting bolts
@Timturtle
@Timturtle Жыл бұрын
Thanks for not telling me what screw size I need to get the stuck rotor off.
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive Жыл бұрын
It's in the description. M8-1.25 BOLT - M8-1.25 x 70mm Stainless Steel 18-8 304 A2-70 Fully Threaded Hex Bolts 5pcs - amzn.to/3Yl3M8k.
@winaraj
@winaraj Жыл бұрын
you didnt bleed the brake fluid?
@condor5635
@condor5635 Жыл бұрын
Just because you’re changing the pads doesn’t mean you need to bleed the brake fluid. Bleeding the brake fluid is when you’re changing or flushing the fluid. You shouldn’t have to do that at all when you’re replacing pads and rotors. The key thing is to cycle your brake pedal several times before putting it in drive to allow the booster to equalize the brake fluid in the lines.
@Andresmorph
@Andresmorph 11 ай бұрын
I cant find screw size to take rotors out. Im stuck
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 11 ай бұрын
M8-1.25 x 70mm Stainless Steel 18-8 304 A2-70 Fully Threaded Hex Bolts 5pcs - amzn.to/3Yl3M8k.
@NobleSavage-oi9lr
@NobleSavage-oi9lr Жыл бұрын
What size screw did you use to take off the rotor
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive Жыл бұрын
M8-1.25 BOLT - M8-1.25 x 70mm Stainless Steel 18-8 304 A2-70 Fully Threaded Hex Bolts 5pcs - amzn.to/3Yl3M8k.
@mcmlxxxv6709
@mcmlxxxv6709 Жыл бұрын
I don’t get it, why change the rotors? I know the pads definitely needs changing but the rotors?
@SimonPalusiKaake
@SimonPalusiKaake 4 ай бұрын
My boss show me how to short cut on brake pads
@Mishatheaudioguy
@Mishatheaudioguy Жыл бұрын
legit
@uhsenli6424
@uhsenli6424 2 жыл бұрын
you don't put brake greese between the pads and the sliver plate. you put it in the caliber bolts.
@akadoublea8975
@akadoublea8975 Жыл бұрын
It's a wear point. You grease it. 🤦‍♂️
@zeljkodjukic5889
@zeljkodjukic5889 4 ай бұрын
You forfot about scanner to reprogram otherwise is not gonna work because of electric energency brakes
@MorozovAutomotive
@MorozovAutomotive 4 ай бұрын
Electric parking brake motor is located on the rear brakes.
@PapayaRules
@PapayaRules Жыл бұрын
I guess I’m doing brakes this weekend Refuse to give Toyota $800
@tsengvue6380
@tsengvue6380 5 ай бұрын
Bad spot to put those jack stands those spots are for stock car jack … under weight they can bend … did it one time on an old passenger car and they bent inwards
@dmitrokda5629
@dmitrokda5629 3 жыл бұрын
Странная Тойота. Тормозная система обычная, как на третьем поколении. Тем не менее, на моем Рав4 2.0 awd 2007 года я поставил стойки, алюминиевую цапфу и тормоза на двухпоршневых суппортах с пятого поколения. Подошла болт в болт. Теперь интересует задняя тормозная система, вентилируемая в идеале.
@mikes6961
@mikes6961 2 жыл бұрын
You should have your brakes done at a dealer. 500 bucks assures this complicated procedure is performed right. 49 bucks for pads seems.like a bargain til you have to loosen 2 bolts, than you realize wish I would have spent an extra 450 for literally nothing
@abka5532
@abka5532 2 жыл бұрын
really bad voice quality
@maxdalehammons5264
@maxdalehammons5264 24 күн бұрын
The hybrids glaze pads badly the old ones were 90% as you said why not just resurface them?
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